Wednesday, 9 December 2020

Champions League 2020/21 - Discussion - Matchday 6 (II)

Discussion about CL MD6 games, to be played on 9 December 2020.

9 December 2020

18:55 CET - Paris (Parc des Princes)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - İstanbul Başakşehir FK (TUR) | Group H
Referee: Ovidiu Alin Hațegan (ROU) Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Sovre (ROU) Mario Diks (NED) 
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Eugen Gheorghe (ROU) Marcin Boniek (POL)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Costantin Coltescu (ROU) Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jon Skjervold (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Roland Tis (BEL)

18:55 CET - Amsterdam (Johan Cruijff ArenA)
AFC Ajax (NED) - Atalanta BC (ITA) | Group D
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: Georgi Kabakov (BUL)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Javier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Levan Paniashvili (GEO)
UEFA Delegate: Duncan Fraser (SCO)

18:55 CET - Herning (Arena Herning)
FC Midtjylland (DEN) - Liverpool FC (ENG) | Group D
Referee: François Letexier (FRA) 
Assistant Referee 1: Mehdi Ramouni (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Amaury Delerue (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Juan Antonio Fernández Marín (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: João Morais (POR)

21:00 CET - Munich (Fußball Arena)
FC Bayern München (GER) - FC Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS) | Group A
Referee: Sandro Schärer (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Stéphane de Almeida (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Bekim Zogaj (SUI) Jonas Erni (SUI)
Fourth Official: Alain Bieri (SUI) 
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Frank De Bleeckere (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Patrick Wattebled (FRA) 

21:00 CET - Zenit (Stadion Salzburg)
FC Salzburg (AUT) - Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) | Group A
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG) 
Fourth Official: Craig Pawson (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Jan W. Wegereef (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Metin Kazancıoğlu (TUR)

21:00 CET - Milan (Stadio Giuseppe Meazza)
FC Internazionale Milano (ITA) - FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) | Group B
Referee: Slavko Vinčić (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaz Klancnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Andraž Kovačič (SVN)
Fourth Official: Rade Obrenović (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Peter Sippel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Tammo Beishuizen (NED)

21:00 CET - Madrid (Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - VfL Borussia Mönchengladbach (GER) | Group B
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1:  Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin E. J. Zeinstra (NED) 
Fourth Official: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Konrad Plautz (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Mark Blackbourne (ENG)

21:00 CET - Manchester (City of Manchester Stadium)
Manchester City FC (ENG) - Olympique de Marseille (FRA) | Group C
Referee: Halil Umut Meler (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Mustafa Emre Eyisoy (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Cevdet Komurcuoglu (TUR)
Fourth Official: Arda Kardeşler (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ali Palabiyik (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vítor Manuel Melo Pereira (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Paul Zaharia (ROU)

21:00 CET - Piraeus (Stadio Georgios Karaiskakis)
Olympiacos FC (GRE) - FC Porto (POR) | Group C
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Donatas Rumsas (LTU)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Harm Osmers (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Markus Nobs (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Ronald Zimmermann (GER)
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  1. Jaak9 December 2020 at 17:12

    Today in Czech newspaper: Ref Kralovec suspected of match fixing

    Královec na podzim dopískal. Bereme to velmi vážně, řekl šéf fotbalu

    https://www.idnes.cz/sport

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    1. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 17:14

      What the hell is happening with UEFA referees?

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    2. Lde9 December 2020 at 17:58

      I would ask a different question: "What the hell is happening with UEFA?". If UEFA was aware of the investigation, how can the appointment to yesterday's match be explained?

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    3. Whistle29 December 2020 at 18:00

      We need to stop shaming people without clear evidences. Let see what will happened after investigation.
      You think someone is guilty? Prove it.

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    4. Lde9 December 2020 at 18:07

      Appointments must be suspended for the duration of the investigation.

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    5. Whistle29 December 2020 at 18:09

      @Lde
      Ofc

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    6. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 18:10

      Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. It should be the case with the Romanian crew from yesterday, Kralowec and everyone else.

      It is the fundamental of Western law and justice. Rather unfortunately we see more and more people people forgetting that nowdays.

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    7. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 18:12

      Trial by social media...

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    8. Whistle29 December 2020 at 18:15

      You may be innocent, but if the media and newspapers say you are guilty, then you are guilty. Sad reality...

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    9. Whistle29 December 2020 at 18:19

      This is the third controversial case this year (Vincic, Coltescu and now Kralovec). What a year...

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    10. Arbiter9 December 2020 at 21:03

      Don't forget about Dagmar Damková. As she finds herself engulfed it quite a messy situation because of her significant other.

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    11. Anonymous10 December 2020 at 00:20

      Sheriff, what do you say about this case, closer to you? A World Cup AR obtained about $14 million from his clients... what did he do with this money?
      https://ebusiness.cpaontario.ca/discipline/ReturnFile_Action.cfm?Required=Fletcher_032420

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    12. kosino9410 December 2020 at 21:35

      I bet this is the end of Královec's carier. When we will know the FIFA referee list for 2021? I think Czech association have to find somebody for FIFA list instead of Královec. I think it should be Ondřej Berka.

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    13. Arbiter10 December 2020 at 23:28

      Anonymous, it would help if you provided a link that actually worked. Do that, and then I'd be more than happy to entertain your inquiry.

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  2. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 18:07

    UEFA is acting against Romanian referees, that's unbelievable!
    Red card removed (why? facts happened before the incident) and ceremony against racism before kick off. I fear Hategan career is over!

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    1. Whistle29 December 2020 at 18:13

      They made the decision to cancel the red card very quickly. Incredibly! They didn't investigate the whole case, and they have already made a decision. It is quite clear that such a decision is a consequence of political pressure.

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    2. Ugur B9 December 2020 at 19:00

      UEFA made a mess. This is unacceptable to cancel his RC for his behaviour prior to the Ref incident. UEFA is not doing what they supposed to do.

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  3. Referee analyst9 December 2020 at 18:31

    Now you have the true. Romanian refs said Webo named them « gitans » and that’s why Sebastian Coltescu want to Hategan sending off this guy. Who’s racist now ?

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    1. Referee analyst9 December 2020 at 18:34

      Also, AR Sovre was the author of « negru » word. Now, a good lesson to judge things without angriness and too quickly. Things are not obvious as some good prayers impose their opinion here...

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    2. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 18:36

      Referees must bear insults, they are on a different plan than all the other members in a football match. They are the symbol of justice.

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    3. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 18:36

      https://streamable.com/vwktd0

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    4. Referee analyst9 December 2020 at 18:38

      What ? He said Romanian refs are « gipsies » and this is part of their job ? Come on...

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    5. Ugur B9 December 2020 at 18:58

      If Webo said Gypsy they punished him and sent off. Then they can report for his racist comment and UEFA will fine him. Also we will all protest him. Maybe Başakşehir will sack him.
      Simple as that.

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    6. RefUSSF9 December 2020 at 18:59

      Do you have a source?

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    7. Ugur B9 December 2020 at 19:02

      Emanuel Roşu (on twitter) is writing all these, referring to his insider information.

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    8. Daniel G9 December 2020 at 19:11

      Referee analyst
      It seems like the racism can be only "one-sided". One side is always a victim, and another one is always "guilty", no matter what really happened.

      And I want to ask the anonymous user- if the ref from Africa would be insulted by European player, you will say the same?

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    9. Ligo9 December 2020 at 19:22

      I'd say wait on the "gypsies" comment for now because it seems there are confusion about the words said and the context. The video provided by Roşu is debated for completeness. I wouldn't rush to judgement without the smoking gun.

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    10. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 19:56

      Why do you involve AR Sovre? Based on what?

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    11. Referee analyst9 December 2020 at 19:57

      Was rumors from Romanian press but nothing clear finally.

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    12. Anonymous10 December 2020 at 00:14

      Colourful language used by the other Romanian Elite referee: https://www.libertatea.ro/sport/scandal-la-viitorul-voluntari-vasile-maftei-arbitrul-kovacs-mi-zis-mars-de-aici-primarul-voluntariului-vrea-sa-retraga-echipa-din-liga-1-1643348

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    13. Anonymous10 December 2020 at 16:23

      Did UEFA clarify who (FO/AR) exactly said those words?

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  4. wwjd9 December 2020 at 19:02

    Are the players who were carded still on a yellow or were those wiped away

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  5. Ref9 December 2020 at 19:19

    Correct yellow by Letexier.

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  6. Ugur B9 December 2020 at 19:22

    Baker's goal should be offside.

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    1. Ugur B9 December 2020 at 19:23

      Penalty

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    2. Ugur B9 December 2020 at 19:26

      Offside is given but prior is penalty said ref. Correct decision but. Makkelie should have watched himself and decide.

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    3. Referee analyst9 December 2020 at 19:26

      IMO, no penalty here. Goalkeeper touched clearly the ball after Neymar touch. Wrongly call without OFR...

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    4. Nathan M.9 December 2020 at 19:27

      He gave the advantage, he would have given the penalty if the goal was not scored so correct procedure IMO.

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    5. Referee analyst9 December 2020 at 19:29

      But foul clearly not obvious here...For me, after a focused replay, no foul, so...

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    6. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 20:01

      For me, after watching a focused replay, clear foul, so...

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  7. Ref9 December 2020 at 19:27

    Wasn’t that a deliberate touch by goalkeeper ?

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    1. Referee analyst9 December 2020 at 19:28

      Agree my countryman. IMO, goal had to be validated instead of penalty (wrong one for me).

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    2. Ref9 December 2020 at 19:30

      Yes I agree, and even the PK is doubtful.
      Sorry for yesterday BTW, I didn’t mean what I said.

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    3. Ugur B9 December 2020 at 19:31

      That was a save not a deliberate touch. Why do you whistle offside when one player shot the ball, goalkeeper saves the ball but a player in offside position scores afterwards. This is exactly the same...

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    4. Ref9 December 2020 at 19:34

      I don’t know, it was a deliberate action anyway, and not sure whether this is a "save" or not. Interesting situation.

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    5. Ugur B9 December 2020 at 19:37

      @WCReferee, generally saves of goalkeepers are deliberate as well to avoid a goal. But we whistle as offside when a player in offside position scores in return of a goalkeeper save. I support decision of Makkelie, however penalty should be rewarded by OFR not as a decision of VAR.

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    6. Ref9 December 2020 at 19:42

      @Ugur B Yes I know, but usually saves are made on the line, perhaps another player could’ve intervened, to be rewatched. But I will trust VAR on this, I don’t have the answer.
      Makkelie would’ve whistled PK, he made the advantage signal after the goal, no OFR needed IMO.

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    7. Ugur B9 December 2020 at 20:05

      I didn't realize that he made advantage sign, so you are right OFR not required as he is aware of the position.

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    8. YoungRef9 December 2020 at 22:10

      In my opinion this is not save but deliberate play by goalkeeper. We can discuss about a "save" after a shot on goal. It’s very difficult situation, of course but if we have possibility to watch replays we can easly see that there is not any shot on goal and Neymar is making dribbling and goalkeeper kicked the ball as he wanted. This is not factual decision and OFR is required.

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  8. Chiagozie9 December 2020 at 19:39

    It flicked off Neymar's standing leg after it was played by the goalkeeper before it got to the player who eventually scored the goal.

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  9. Chefren9 December 2020 at 19:48

    Video of the incident in Makkelie's game.
    https://streamable.com/4f0za4

    At first we must say this is a clear offside, the touch by keeper is a save, it can't be considered as deliberate play, so offside by attacker's temmate. Difficult for assistant referee to see it.
    Then, the signal of advantage by Makkelie shows us that he had already detected the foul. So, VAR detected offside and for this reason Makkelie returned to "previous" decision. The foul by keeper is clear, 00:52 he hit attacker before ball.

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    1. Philipp S9 December 2020 at 19:59

      I am not so sure, about the save vs deliberate play point. I would have said, that a "save" can only happen after a shot on goal. But borderline in this case. I actually would have preferred an OFR for the offside decision.

      Then, the point, that Makkelie already detected the foul indeed means
      1) it needs to be a clear and obvious error for the VAR to change it / recommend an OFR
      2) An OFR for this decision is not required

      But maybe overall an OFR still would have been wiser given the complexity of the whole situation.

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    2. Referee analyst9 December 2020 at 20:00

      Completely agree Philipp !

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    3. Former_referee9 December 2020 at 20:05

      In general very good decision by Makiele , but I prefer OFR, because it is not a factual offside, but more interpretation and whole situation complicated and only Ref must decide. But excellent explanation to players from the Makiele and in the end correct decision.

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    4. Chefren9 December 2020 at 20:09

      It is impossible to assess this action by keeper as deliberate play in my opinion, with the empty goal behind him and trying to reach the ball, what else it could be?

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    5. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 20:11

      For me no OFR is needed as the keeper saves try’s to save the ball. If it was a player it is more of an interpatation, but when the keeper try to stop the ball close go goal it can’t be considered as anything else then an atempt to save the ball

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    6. JR10 December 2020 at 00:27

      @chefren, it's not impossible as empty goal is no parameter and his trying to reach the ball is actually THAT reason why it's actually a deliberate playing of the ball. A safe requires at least a moving ball towards the goal which simply wasn't there.

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  10. Ugur B9 December 2020 at 20:04

    Why didn't Makkelie book Crivelli for kicking the ball? Now Crivelli is booked again, imo he should be sent off

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    1. Anonymous10 December 2020 at 16:11

      He kicked the ball at Makkelie but barely missed him! That should have been a card, maybe even red.

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    2. Arbiter10 December 2020 at 23:36

      By "modern" player friendly referee standards, it's not a Red Card.

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  11. Chefren9 December 2020 at 20:14

    Some mistakes by AR1 in Letexier's team. Now an offside call annulled and then a penalty whistled after OFR.

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    1. Ugur B9 December 2020 at 20:20

      Is there any video for penalty situation?

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  12. Stéphanie Monzul9 December 2020 at 20:27

    Clear foul (charging) in 68'. Should've been a penalty to Ajax!

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  13. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 20:28

    Missed penalty incident in Ajax-Atalanta game around 67. minute?

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    1. RikB9 December 2020 at 20:37

      Nah...

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    2. YoungRef9 December 2020 at 22:14

      In this situation, it was a penalty for Ajax. Another match in which VAR does not intervene

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    3. xabi10 December 2020 at 00:13

      Nothing at all

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  14. Ugur B9 December 2020 at 20:32

    Millimetric offsides are killing me!

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  15. anty759 December 2020 at 20:46

    Very soft second YC for Ajax. There was nothing in it at all

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    1. YoungRef9 December 2020 at 22:18

      A very soft second YC for Ajax and no penalty.

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  16. Chefren9 December 2020 at 20:47

    No penalty decision in Ajax - Atalanta is at least supportable decision.

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    1. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 20:50

      What should be the reason for support? Doesn’t the defender just walked into the attacker’s back?

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    2. Stéphanie Monzul9 December 2020 at 20:55

      Exactly, Anonymous! There are no real arguments to support it. Bumping into an opponent's back is a foul, charging. Simple as that!

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  17. Ref9 December 2020 at 20:49

    Wrongly disallowed goal by AR2 in Midtjylland (wrong offside call), but goal cancelled for handball by the attacker.
    Correct decision in the end, but I think an OFR was needed.

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    1. Whistle29 December 2020 at 20:52

      Letexier couldn't see that handball.
      Good call by VAR.

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  18. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 20:53

    Mostly good impression by Del Cerro for me, but his two crucial decisions aren't in line with each other. A lot of (possible) fouls were not punished, which is fine. In line with that, no penalty is supportable for me. However, such a cheap second YC is definitely not in line with that and therefore for me a crucial mistake.

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    1. anty759 December 2020 at 21:00

      Yes, he is very inconsistent, foul deteсtion is poor in my view. I don't base this opinion just on this match but on all the matches I watched with him as a ref. Why he is pushed so much by committee I don't understand there are many refs that deserve it more

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    2. Marko239 December 2020 at 21:29

      Very good Del Cerro Grande for me. Big decisions at least supportable but for me both correct. Hand to the face is clear second yellow and penalty would have been too soft for me.

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  19. Arbiter9 December 2020 at 20:54

    https://images.beinsports.com/m6Cax4ROXZnNk0iTof1G9NbX0VM=/full-fit-in/1000x0/3546547-2020-12-09T175301Z_1769122015_MT1PANPJBAPSGISTBP09122020206_RTRMADP_3_SOCCER-PSG-VS-ISTANBUL-BASAKSEHIR-CHAMPIONS-LEAUGE-2.JPG

    What a beautiful and powerful show of unity against any and all forms of racism, hate, bigotry, and homophobia. I tip my cap to the referee team for taking part and showing solidarity with the affected teams. Thank you referee team for sending the message that is more important to stand up against racial injustice than it is to always blindly "back the badge".
    More of this and none of what we saw and heard yesterday.
    #RedCardRacism

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    1. Referee analyst9 December 2020 at 20:58

      I don’t think Makkelie and co were consulted to participate physically to this politic demonstration...

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    2. Arbiter9 December 2020 at 21:09

      Regardless of your opinion. The FACT is that they participated, kneeled, and showed UNITY with the affected teams.

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    3. Ref9 December 2020 at 21:12

      This is a very nice message IMO. Well done to all players and referees.

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    4. Referee analyst9 December 2020 at 21:26

      Agree about the nice message. But I would like to have same intentions when players or spectators treat refs as faggot at least 100 times per match...

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    5. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 21:38

      In Dutch newspapers today, Makkelie actually said he wanted to participate if teams were to organize such a statement/action. They were definitely consulted.

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    6. Arbiter9 December 2020 at 23:24

      Referee analyst,
      If you truly feel that way. Then you should take a stand and make something happen. But you obviously don't care enough about it. You're simply trying justify one action by using another "supposed" issue to deflect and distract.

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    7. Anonymous10 December 2020 at 04:09

      Did you see the ball clearly kicked by a Turkish player toward Makkelie around min. 60? What did Makkelie do about it? A handshake...

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    8. Arbiter10 December 2020 at 07:02

      Are you surprised? If you are, why?
      Because I'm not surprised.
      It's the "modern" and "expected" way of officiating nowadays. Winning hearts and minds through exhaustive, endless, and ineffective dialog. It's no longer about Red & Yellow Cards.

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    9. Anonymous10 December 2020 at 16:08

      That was shocking! I am surprised people do not react. Even after the Tuesday incidents, it is still not OK for an top referee not to have a strong reaction after a player clearly kicked the ball at him. What example is that?

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    10. Arbiter10 December 2020 at 23:41

      It's the example that "modern" player friendly world football is setting. Everything is being done from The Laws of the Game perspective to reduce the instances where cards must be shown. The referee unfortunately are the being victimized because their hands are being tied by counterproductive directives and expectations.

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  20. Chefren9 December 2020 at 21:07

    Terrible offside call by Mark Borsch in Olympiakos - Porto.

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    1. Chefren9 December 2020 at 21:10

      OFR and penalty for handball in the same action, almost impossible to see for Brych live.

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    2. Mikael W9 December 2020 at 21:58

      Correct decision IMO; in the pre-VAR era, I guess that people 'would not lose much sleep' with it not being given.

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  21. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 21:20

    Video:second y.c. in Ajax-Atalanta
    https://t.me/REF_EX/10

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  22. Mikael W9 December 2020 at 21:28

    Two KMIs from the Ajax Amsterdam - Atalanta Bergamo game handled by Carlos del Cerro Grande [VAR: Juan Martínez Munuera].

    68' Potential penalty to Ajax (charging / impeding)
    https://streamable.com/acehta

    79' Second Yellow Card to Ajax no.8 (striking)
    https://streamable.com/kelzky

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    1. Lde9 December 2020 at 21:42

      I agree in both situations.
      1. Push is exaggerated.
      2. Movement of the hand is deliberate.

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    2. Mikael W9 December 2020 at 21:43

      My views:


      68' - it is hard to be sure what actually happens here.

      If the Atalanta defender was simply running for the ball and the Ajax attacker, by stopping, prevented him from reaching the ball following that path - it is better to play on.

      If the Atalanta defender realised that the Ajax attacker had a better path to reach the ball, and then unfairly charged to prevent him from doing that - a penalty should be given.

      CORRECT non-intervention by Martínez Munuera for UEFA in any case.


      79' - given that the ball wasn't really in Ajax no.8's possession and the swinging nature of the strike, correct decision to issue a SYC, even if one can argue about how "reckless" it really was.

      del Cerro was actually too close to properly assess the incident, by the way.

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    3. xabi9 December 2020 at 22:28

      IMO perfect decisions by Del Cerro Grande.

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    4. Flip10 December 2020 at 11:30

      IMO
      1 - Borderline, but I prefer no penalty here - well done.
      2 - Not mandatory, but the movement can be seen as deliberate, so supportable 2ndYC.

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  23. Ref_17079 December 2020 at 21:46

    Excellent YC by Taylor for Simeone (UB). He was asking for a YC against Salzburg, visibly making the 'YC sign'.

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  24. Mikael W9 December 2020 at 21:52

    It is a real shame that such ugly challenges such as 29' in Inter - Shakhtar are not punished with a red card (Vinčić gave a YC) in my opinion.

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    1. pita falta9 December 2020 at 21:55

      Red card ? for what reason ?

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    2. Ref_17079 December 2020 at 21:57

      It would be a clear RC if the attacker was stopped immediately by defender's action. It is understandable that Vincic decided to give a YC as the attacker did not fall down and was able to continue playing for a bit. So, intensity is the main point here. But I agree, if the defender had stopped the attacker with a tackle like this, everything would have been clear as there was no chance to play the ball and the player knew it.

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    3. Ref_17079 December 2020 at 21:59

      (If you refer to the 28' incident, Mikael).

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    4. Mikael W9 December 2020 at 22:01

      On Lukaku, yes.

      Personally I don't see the scope for that not to be "excessive force" and / or "brutality" to be honest.

      That being said, good following caution for dissent (Vinčić needed to take the initiative there).

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    5. pita falta9 December 2020 at 22:04

      yellow is perfect on that occasion

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    6. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 22:17

      Video from this episode
      https://t.me/REF_EX/12

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    7. Ref12 UKR10 December 2020 at 00:56

      100% YC, I think so...

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  25. Ref 989 December 2020 at 21:58

    the second one is correct , he hit Gomez on the face with his arm

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  26. Mikael W9 December 2020 at 22:16

    INTSHK 56' - you can't tell me that in previous years, that Vinčić wouldn't have simply cautioned Shakhtar no.7 rather than (not that successfully) verbally warned him for that dissent. :)

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  27. Ref_17079 December 2020 at 22:19

    Great prevention by AR1 in 59' who was very aware that Gladbach's player wanted to kick the ball although his opponent was laying on it.

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  28. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 22:20

    Wrong corner before Bayern goal, AR2 Swiss team

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    1. Ref_17079 December 2020 at 22:22

      Yes, unfortunately the wrong corner decision led to 1–0 for Bayern. Could become crucial in the race for 3rd place in group A.

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  29. Ref_17079 December 2020 at 22:42

    Correct 2nd YC against Olympiacos by Brych.

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  30. Referee 129 December 2020 at 22:50

    Easy job for Kuipers, one correct yellow card at the end of the match...

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  31. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 22:51

    Minute 92 Conte clearly leaves the technical area to yell and show dissent towards Vincic and his assistant manager clearly walks inside the field of play and dos the same. But only yellow card issued to Conte. Clear red card.

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  32. Referee 129 December 2020 at 22:57

    I did not watch entire match, only last minutes, very busy and nervous additional time for Vincic but everything looked good to me.

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    1. Ref_17079 December 2020 at 23:00

      That was my impression too. It's normal that there is tension considering the importance of the game's outcome. Vincic did well from what I saw.

      Delete
    2. Mikael W9 December 2020 at 23:04

      Agreed, I only watched the 2H but Vinčić did a good job and kept a hand on everything. Additional time enlargement was correct and courageous.

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    3. Ref12 UKR10 December 2020 at 01:00

      I watched the whole match and I really liked Vincic for his calmness and confidence!

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  33. Anonymous9 December 2020 at 23:00

    Very good performance Anthony Taylor and his team during Salzburg-Atletico.

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  34. Chefren9 December 2020 at 23:03

    Overall a good performance by Vincic, nobody will talk about referee after this game and this is most important thing.

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  35. xabi9 December 2020 at 23:08

    Fortunately, today very well the referees.

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  36. Mikael W9 December 2020 at 23:35

    Here is the situation I was referring to from the 1H of Inter - Shakhtar.

    29' Reckless vs. VC/SFP? Yellow Card given
    https://streamable.com/ms381w

    Though the tackle is rather ugly, contrary to my first impression there is no SFP contact made. So for UEFA (not me) a red card would be a clear mistake.

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    1. Mikael W9 December 2020 at 23:44

      Go to 03:22
      https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hm2rc

      I'm really sorry for Vinčić, he remains an excellent referee in my view, but this (Čeferin) UEFA era is really not his. :/

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    2. grumpy-ref10 December 2020 at 00:16

      i have read this here and there on this blog, and i need a little update: many commentators here refer to uefa president ceferin and insinuate an active interference in appointments and promotions or demotions. how can i find out this is really the case? i even tend to say that some commentators "overinterprete" some appointments etc...trust me, at the moment not even i would want to change with anybody who is doing appointments...it must be a super-duper puzzle for rosetti and his staff at the moment...and i think also they are very happy they got the major job done...40 matches per week in three days...travelbans, positive results, etc...

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    3. Anonymous10 December 2020 at 04:48

      Mikael, not sure I understood what did you want to say by that? From the videos, it seems that Vincic made different decisions on similar (but not identical) fouls, but how do those decision relate to Ceferin and his influence?

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    4. Mikael W10 December 2020 at 08:19

      c. EURO 2016, after Čeferin's intervention, UEFA adopted the modern FIFA refereeing approach. Before then UEFA had actually rejected the WC 2014 optic.

      Also it's an open secret that Čeferin tried to block Vinčić's progress but that's another matter.

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    5. Sale10 December 2020 at 10:13

      I invite you to present evidence for the last statement, otherwise I suggest you refrain yourself from posting such heavy "claims".

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    6. Anonymous10 December 2020 at 16:03

      If Ceferin indeed wanted to block Vincic, he could have done it easily after the big scandal that happened this summer... but instead he returned quickly to Champions League. This does not look as "blocking" at all.

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    7. Sale10 December 2020 at 18:03

      I think that the silence of Mikael W speaks for itself.

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    8. Mikael W10 December 2020 at 19:02

      I think it's common practice not to publish private sources, of course you can choose to believe me or not.

      https://www.josimar.no/artikler/the-aleksander-ceferin-show/4241/

      Čeferin was paranoid about this article, part of which suggested he lobbied for Slovenian referees and ridiculously mentions Šajn as a beneficiary of him. To save his face, he influenced some refereeing decisions which should have been put of his remit.

      With time, Čeferin has become more relaxed, and indeed now doesn't really see Slovenian referees as a 'threat' to his credibility. But that wasn't always the case.

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  37. Referee analyst9 December 2020 at 23:53

    Thanks for your good job for refereeing Chefren and co, and sorry to be sometimes arrogant and perhaps excessive. But here is a tweet from Demba Ba (things in this world aren’t simple and we need to be intelligent in our perception from some people) « welcome to the West where white people think they are so superior that racism and debility become commonplace ». No comment needed.

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    1. Anonymous10 December 2020 at 10:15

      So now all white people are racist? I have to say that these kind of outcomes and incidents take away all the hard work that's been done combating racism: you cant take this seriously anymore.

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  38. Anonymous10 December 2020 at 00:35

    Kralovec probably retired after suspension in czech league due to telephone contact with husband of Damkova "Roman Berber", which is now in prison, before final match in MOL Cup.

    Chech resource:

    https://www.idnes.cz/fotbal/prvni-liga/pavel-kralovec-komise-rozhodcich-delegace-podzim-2020-kariera.A201209_113045_fotbal_min

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  39. Bgymn10 December 2020 at 00:49

    How was Meler today? His first CL game.

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    1. Unknown10 December 2020 at 00:57

      I was very impressed by Meler's performance

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    2. Anonymous10 December 2020 at 09:03

      Nothing to report on in this game but his overall presence was top elite!

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  40. Arbiter10 December 2020 at 03:09

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jngMn6H9LmI/X1Eug1gDbLI/AAAAAAAAWe8/Ph36FqKSE48xS-hBZeG1k7BomYIC8iJfQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/arbitros-futbol-CONMEBOL.jpg

    CONMEBOL has followed the unneeded have your own referee badge design trend that UEFA started. IMO, these "invented" referee badges minimize the hard work, long hours, and achievements of referees who attain their FIFA Badge.

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    1. Anonymous10 December 2020 at 04:41

      Old news!

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    2. Arbiter10 December 2020 at 06:51

      New to me. So, that's why I posted it.
      Thank you, have a Blessed day.

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  41. Anonymous10 December 2020 at 05:18

    No (red) card???
    https://www.gsp.ro/international/liga-campionilor/psg-basaksehir-liga-campionilor-inca-un-moment-controversat-in-care-a-fost-implicat-arbitrul-618172.html

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  42. Anonymous10 December 2020 at 09:19

    So: for you Hategan will be out of UEFA EURO referees' list?

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    1. Forlan10 December 2020 at 09:28

      I cant imagine that situation, he wasnt the one who was accused of anything, neither were his ARs. The problem could be IMO only in latter stages, where this so called "incident" could subconsciously influence his chances. But that is only my opinion.

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    2. Philipp S10 December 2020 at 10:25

      IMO, he clearly should still be on the list (and getting CL appointments until then).
      I don't know, whether UEFA handles it that way, but I am rather optimistic.

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    3. Anonymous10 December 2020 at 15:58

      He definitely should be there, but we all know that UEFA would do everything needed for their public image...

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  43. Jan from DutchReferee.com10 December 2020 at 09:38

    Makkelie told on Dutch radio after the game about how he got appointed. He couldn't talk about the game itself (makes sense as Uefa policy, especially so shortly after it), but told about the appointment. He was on the reserve list and was the go-to person for the referee department. Also Diks was on there, so they both were tested. Steegstra was not, so that's why Makkelie didn't officiate with both his normal ARs. For Uefa the option to ask a ref/AR from the game in Rennes was the quickest option then, as no flight had to be arranged.

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    1. grumpy-ref10 December 2020 at 11:01

      thank you jan, valuable information. and thats why i always write: it is super tough to do the appointments these days...if you think about travel restrictions, positive tests, and that we only have 10% of the flights at the moment...this must be aboslutely terrible...

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  44. Anonymous10 December 2020 at 09:58

    Update about Královec - he is probably going to retire from refereeing. Now.

    An article written by arguably the most knowledgable Czech journalist when it comes to football diplomacy and politics claims that Královec was intended to retire from refereeing with the end of this calender year and become the new co-head of Czech refereeing together with an international official nominated by UEFA since UEFA seems to insist on nominating its own person leading the Czech refereeing committee after what happenned with Roman Berbr and Dagmar Damková. It might change after the suspicion of match fixing (what actually happenned was that Berbr called Královec before the last final of the Czech cup Slovan Liberec-Sparta Praha and told him that he needs a political thing from him - to greet Sparta's secretary and a former referees committee member Josef Krula, to which Královec answered "I understand."). He should have been appointed as co-head of the committee on Wednesday (9/12), but it did not happen, possibly in light of the above mentioned information published on Tuesday (8/12), the vote about the new committee did not happen at all.

    Either way, it seems obvious that Královec's place in Elite for spring will be free. His delegation for Chelsea-Krasnodar (8/12) now looks like a farewell game on the night before he would announce quitting refereeing and becoming the co-head of Czech refereeing. The delegation was made by UEFA referees committee, i.e. the same people who are reported to nominate the other new co-head of Czech refereeing, possibly one of its own members.

    Anyway, the important news for us observing european refereeing - Královec seems to be history as a UEFA referee, regardless of what happens with his current accusation.

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  45. Referee110 December 2020 at 19:39

    I have big respect for mr Rosetti, mr Dallas and mr Sayijn, the ref com. They have a difficult job. You see that they are busy with the future. UEFA need new referees. New talents. If we see the Elite list, for me only, Kuipers (no 1 in the world), Skomina, Brych, Cakir, Lahozz are big refs. Of course Taylor, Makkelie also. But if you see the Elite list, I think 7-10 are ready in very short time to change. Most will stopped because of age, but more names as I read here many times are not Elite ref!! Why waiting with the future, put some new young refs. OK maybe step by step, but don't wait. For me Massa, Gozubuyukk, Ekberg, Stieler, Jovanovic, Treimanis are ready. They all whistle CL games, and did very well.

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