tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post6676355640276800674..comments2024-03-28T19:12:40.332+01:00Comments on Law 5 - The Referee: Cüneyt Çakır in Real Madrid - Bayern München (discussion)Law5TheRefhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12274952933938429751noreply@blogger.comBlogger144125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-74377629216917602052018-05-02T22:01:49.232+02:002018-05-02T22:01:49.232+02:00Threat?? Why should the blog even care about me?? ...Threat?? Why should the blog even care about me?? I'm here for the blog... The blog isn't here for me... This blog has many followers and certainly me staying or not would hardly make any difference... Get over your wrong ideas... I've no business in threatening anyone Sohamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17313321310339686171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-13383512311694008752018-05-02T21:41:21.947+02:002018-05-02T21:41:21.947+02:00What I find laughable is that the majority of the ...What I find laughable is that the majority of the bloggers are apologists and okay with referees accepting and not with dissenters. Yet when a person dares express any sort of dissenting views on the blog, they are admonished. Just further goes to show how truly two faced most bloggers are. They try to mold and dictate situations in a manner that would most benefit those who they like.Arbiterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15592457383181509266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-67611602940951368392018-05-02T21:32:07.340+02:002018-05-02T21:32:07.340+02:00You guys are all so petty!You guys are all so petty!Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01233110893275558420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-19878301995755088792018-05-02T21:28:39.207+02:002018-05-02T21:28:39.207+02:00Sheriff, so true, he doesn't get it. Don't...Sheriff, so true, he doesn't get it. Don't waste your time :)Steve Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05685553943737729054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-35311629319483622722018-05-02T21:25:48.649+02:002018-05-02T21:25:48.649+02:00"Expected level" when a referee commits ..."Expected level" when a referee commits at least 2 crucial mistakes determining the outcome of the match is nonsensical, to say the least.Steve Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05685553943737729054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-67236299358377401492018-05-02T21:23:57.995+02:002018-05-02T21:23:57.995+02:00I prefer "wrong" "correct" &qu...I prefer "wrong" "correct" "pass" "fail" "fit" "unfit""Dynamic Personality"???https://www.blogger.com/profile/12226532506224089738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-49984759739766506702018-05-02T21:21:30.717+02:002018-05-02T21:21:30.717+02:00Well, I've read some comments here (always fro...Well, I've read some comments here (always from the same users) that I can only find senseless and ridiculous (no offence meant).<br /><br />When a referee commits 2 or 3 crucial mistakes in a CL SF match (!!) and still you got some people saying his performance was by and large good, acceptable or solid, then this blog can't be taken seriously. If a referee is chosen to officiate a clash as important as this one, he's perceived and believed to be the cream of the crop, one of the brightest among so many, a man trusted by the Committee, players, managers and other agents of the football universe. There must be a proven reason why he's the one standing in the middle of the pitch instead of other officials who have been demoted or still aspire to get there. In any organisation, when someone is not up to the mark, then that person has to be held accountable. I call it common sense and that's what happens everywhere. <br /> <br />I even read someone suggesting a sort of a filter for users who "dare" to criticise a referee when he gives such a bad account of himself like Çakir did yesterday. Good and responsible referees are the first ones calling for criticism (as long as it is respectful and constructive) in order for them to better their performances. A referee must be fully aware a crucial mistake might impact mega-investments and therefore they have to be prepared to deal with any kind of reactions. This is a high-level job that has lots of advantages but refs must also be able to deal with the bad side of it. That's what life is all about, after all. The exculpatory language some users defend and want to see spread over here is a total nonsense: if you want a blog intended to deliver panegyrics on refs (without any critical thinking) in spite of their blatant mistakes, I'm sure you're turning it into a completely useless platform that is not stimulating. At the end of the day, the blog risks being a corporative vehicle removing every user that is not aligned with the reigning strategy. Steve Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05685553943737729054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-25371638403450296962018-05-02T21:19:50.041+02:002018-05-02T21:19:50.041+02:00At no point in my comment where I expressed my opi...At no point in my comment where I expressed my opinion did I make reference to any UEFA Elite Referee caring and/or losing sleep over my comments. That's a conclusion that you pulled out of your..... Nor do I see where I on a personal level attacked any referee. <br /><br />Seems to me that the only one with thin skin is Soham. But that was made more than clear when he threatened to quit the blog over people pointing out to him his fanboy blindness and status."Dynamic Personality"???https://www.blogger.com/profile/12226532506224089738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-71609987832012840312018-05-02T21:16:04.516+02:002018-05-02T21:16:04.516+02:00Yeah okay... Enjoying Skomina is a better option.....Yeah okay... Enjoying Skomina is a better option... You're right :DSohamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17313321310339686171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-89327934292778424082018-05-02T21:05:26.022+02:002018-05-02T21:05:26.022+02:00Soham, please keep cool :)
Sheriff said his opinio...Soham, please keep cool :)<br />Sheriff said his opinion. He said that the he is sure that the referees are able to deal with some critism. I don't think that his comment is unacceptable, there had been some unacceptable comments in the past but this one isn't, at least for me. He has his own opinion and we have to respect that, as we have to respect that you like Kuipers very much. <br />So keep cool and enjoy Skomina ;)david02https://www.blogger.com/profile/13142479030895295994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-56340757461654482932018-05-02T20:48:20.864+02:002018-05-02T20:48:20.864+02:00Those are all official to semi-official terminolog...Those are all official to semi-official terminologies!!Sohamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17313321310339686171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-67828977977621124982018-05-02T20:47:24.024+02:002018-05-02T20:47:24.024+02:00Why do you think any UEFA Elite referee will be lo...Why do you think any UEFA Elite referee will be losing his sleep over your comments?? Why they be even bothered by what you think?? Now you're currently launching a kind of personal attack on referees... Unacceptable!!Sohamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17313321310339686171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-41302818883484927222018-05-02T20:33:40.289+02:002018-05-02T20:33:40.289+02:00@M, no one is claiming Çakir deliberately helped R...@M, no one is claiming Çakir deliberately helped Real Madrid reach yet another CL final. The point (and btw it is undebatable) is that RM permanently benefit from refereeing decisions, which has been quite clear over the last three years. It is important to really understand what other people are saying and not rush to conclusions!Steve Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05685553943737729054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-34428911453675306812018-05-02T20:15:59.655+02:002018-05-02T20:15:59.655+02:00Rubbish reading. Those were wasted minutes of my l...Rubbish reading. Those were wasted minutes of my life that I will never get back. Anything to make enforcing The Law's of the Game optional, right?"Dynamic Personality"???https://www.blogger.com/profile/12226532506224089738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-6972043366299219462018-05-02T20:04:23.460+02:002018-05-02T20:04:23.460+02:00Phrases or words like "expected level" &...Phrases or words like "expected level" "full acceptance" "full control" "grey area" "supportable" "50-50" "borderline" "orange card" are all disguised excuses for referee mistakes. But then again, depending on who the referee is, and how many fans he or she has on this blog."Dynamic Personality"???https://www.blogger.com/profile/12226532506224089738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-21995921939760904412018-05-02T19:57:36.837+02:002018-05-02T19:57:36.837+02:00When we step foot on the pitch, is everything alwa...When we step foot on the pitch, is everything always good, pleasant and positive? No! We deal with the good and the bad. We deal with negative attitudes. We deal with bad situations. We have to cope and move on when we make mistakes. We have to put up with players pointing out what they perceive to be our mistakes. So the pitch is definitely not our "safe place". So why should this blog be a "safe place" for these referee's? We're (at least I am) able to deal with what comes with being the man in the middle. I'm sure these pampered and protected referee's can also deal with some criticism. If they're unable to or are too thin skinned. Then they may need to find another hobby. Because that's what this is for many if not most of them. A hobby. For most, their livelihood doesn't depend on them being a referee."Dynamic Personality"???https://www.blogger.com/profile/12226532506224089738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-2310274530770722862018-05-02T19:26:31.872+02:002018-05-02T19:26:31.872+02:00I can only agree with all participants of our disc...I can only agree with all participants of our discussion. Biggest part of this blog are referees, some are enthusiasts like me, but all of us should respect the main rules of this blog. It`s a great pleasure to enter this site uncountable times per day and to read Yours opinions. Thanks to Chefren who continues a hard work on this blog and makes it better every day. I hope we will see a great FIFA World Cup from the referees in a few weeks and we`ll speak only about marks like 8,4 or higher;) Thanks for all writers<br />Continue in the same spirit;)<br />Sviat Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09656124942160863340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-37197219246544988072018-05-02T19:07:09.368+02:002018-05-02T19:07:09.368+02:00Chefren, first of all thank you for the great work...Chefren, first of all thank you for the great work around this blog. I really appreciate it. <br />I fully understand your point of view, the discussions in this blog took a bad direction in the last time. I'm also bored by some meaningless comments and dissappointed by some harsh and maybe even insulting comments. That is also the main reason why I am not commenting that often here. For a good discussion you need several opinions, but I really don't like it when people don't understand (or not even try to do so) the view of others and the only right solution is their own opinion about a situation. Therefore, a good discussion is nearly impossible. <br />But I would like to emphasize how much other people (Chefren, RayHD, Mikael, Philipp and some others) are writing great comments in this blog which are always a pleasure to read.<br />For sure it is important to talk about mistakes and how they could happen, but that should happen in a appropiate way. Such mistake hunters are really boring.<br /><br />I'm sure that many, many people are reading threw this blog and I hope you'll carry on Chefren. Perhaps it would be wiser when meaningless, insulting or unfriendly comments are simply ignored by all other users. IMO this answers to a comment motivates the author to write another bad comment. <br />But, it is as on the pitch, you have always to deal with different people with different views :) <br />And I will accept them as long as they aren't insulting somebody and written in an objective and friendly way.david02https://www.blogger.com/profile/13142479030895295994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-68871655113967204002018-05-02T17:18:15.118+02:002018-05-02T17:18:15.118+02:00Someone always can find an alibi for a referee. Bu...Someone always can find an alibi for a referee. But that's not good. Everything over 7.8 for Cakir is lack of common sense imo....petschovschihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12704884480815856175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-15996857623631933642018-05-02T17:07:39.973+02:002018-05-02T17:07:39.973+02:00@the 21% in the poll: The reason might be, that yo...@the 21% in the poll: The reason might be, that you could assign the handball mistake to the AR and AAR. Then it would not influence Cakir's mark. Even the Ramos/Lewandowski incident could be the AAR's responsibility.<br />So the referee team as a whole should surely be evaluated worse, but for Cakir alone a mark around 8.3 does not seem so impossible to me.Philipp Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17241731897712166394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-53832086756097825332018-05-02T16:53:50.370+02:002018-05-02T16:53:50.370+02:00Indeed, the specification means that one must take...Indeed, the specification means that one must take the "crucial mistake" as clear and committeed, and then, APART FROM THAT, an expected level.<br />Mark is 7.9, otherwise 8.4 but it is not a 8.4.<br />So here the difference and the crucial mistake surely gets an importance for the observer.Chefrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09540069165794069444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-89478465551399551872018-05-02T16:52:10.470+02:002018-05-02T16:52:10.470+02:00Not, really. It's 'one crucial mistake, OT...Not, really. It's 'one crucial mistake, OTHERWISE good, expected level'.RayHDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14408516186784688309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-80521672710224877212018-05-02T16:48:15.519+02:002018-05-02T16:48:15.519+02:00Moreover it's a personal point of view about w...Moreover it's a personal point of view about who prefers what style... I would never in a million years be a fan of Turpin's over officious style and I'll never adopt that style either... I always prefer Kuipers' style and that's a style which can be adopted only by referees with a lot of personality and charisma... All best referees of the generation like Cakir, Webb, Rizzoli are on are great managers and Webb's insight on when to give a YC based on temperature of the game was fantastic to hear... The referees who don't have the quality of man management and good communication are the over officious ones... It's on the individual referees to devise a style which is more comfortable and no one can enforce on someone that this is the right style or that is... A referee should have the full liberty to carry on with his own style as long as it works and nobody can dare to say it shouldn't be "tolerated" etc... Just a small example, Marco Rodriguez advocated highly of Kuipers' officiating style in Munich so it is well accepted and will be "tolerated" even in the future!!Sohamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17313321310339686171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-89548003253474816572018-05-02T16:29:45.618+02:002018-05-02T16:29:45.618+02:00Of course, the perfomance of a referee is assessed...Of course, the perfomance of a referee is assessed taking in consideration many facts. But, from logical point of view, it's a non-sense to use the term "expected level" when referee made a clear mistake.petschovschihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12704884480815856175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-20023469566249646742018-05-02T16:27:18.962+02:002018-05-02T16:27:18.962+02:00I agree with you about Kuipers, indeed you can rea...I agree with you about Kuipers, indeed you can read on the previous posts that I didn't like his officiating, for me acting in that way is more something like a manager than a referee, clear cards must be always issued. There is a manner in which it is possible to say and discuss, also making important criticisms, about everything. <br />I liked Turpin as well!<br />Let's see whether in future we will agree again about other performances! Chefrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09540069165794069444noreply@blogger.com