Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Pawel Sokolnicki (POL)Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Pawel Raczkowski (POL)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Musial (POL)
Fourth Official: Radoslaw Siejka (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vítor Manuel Melo Pereira (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Wolfgang Thierrichter (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Wolfgang Thierrichter (AUT)
E| 06.12.2017, 20:45 CET
Stadion Ljudski vrt Maribor (SVN)
NK Maribor - Sevilla FC
NK Maribor - Sevilla FC
Referee: Ovidiu Haţegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Șovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Gheorghe (ROU)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: István Kovács (ROU)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Colţescu (ROU)
Fourth Official: Radu Ghinguleac (ROU)
UEFA Referee Observer: Ichko Lozev (BUL)
UEFA Delegate: Trefor Lloyd Hughes (WAL)
H| 06.12.2017, 20:45 CET
Additional Assistant Referee 1: István Kovács (ROU)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Colţescu (ROU)
Fourth Official: Radu Ghinguleac (ROU)
UEFA Referee Observer: Ichko Lozev (BUL)
UEFA Delegate: Trefor Lloyd Hughes (WAL)
F| 06.12.2017, 20:45 CET
Oblast Sports Complex Metalist Stadium, Kharkiv (UKR)
Shakhtar Donetsk - Manchester City FC
Oblast Sports Complex Metalist Stadium, Kharkiv (UKR)
Shakhtar Donetsk - Manchester City FC
Referee: Benoît Bastien (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Hicham Zakrani (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Frédéric Haquette (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Benoît Millot (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Jérôme Miguelgorry (FRA)
Fourth Official: Julien Pacelli (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Patrick Kelly (IRL)
UEFA Delegate: Thibault De Gendt (BEL)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Benoît Millot (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Jérôme Miguelgorry (FRA)
Fourth Official: Julien Pacelli (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Patrick Kelly (IRL)
UEFA Delegate: Thibault De Gendt (BEL)
F| 06.12.2017, 20:45 CET
Stadion Feijenoord, Rotterdam (NED)
Feyenoord - SSC Napoli
Stadion Feijenoord, Rotterdam (NED)
Feyenoord - SSC Napoli
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Bennett (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Andre Marriner (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Paul Tierney (ENG)
Fourth Official: Harry Lennard (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Terje Hauge (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Zoran Cvrk (CRO)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Andre Marriner (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Paul Tierney (ENG)
Fourth Official: Harry Lennard (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Terje Hauge (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Zoran Cvrk (CRO)
G| 06.12.2017, 20:45 CET
Estádio do Dragão, Porto (POR)
FC Porto - AS Monaco
Estádio do Dragão, Porto (POR)
FC Porto - AS Monaco
Referee: Jonas Eriksson (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Mathias Klasenius (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Daniel Wärnmark (SWE)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Stefan Johannesson (SWE)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Andreas Ekberg (SWE)
Fourth Official: Mehmet Culum (SWE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Radenko Mijatovič (SVN)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Stefan Johannesson (SWE)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Andreas Ekberg (SWE)
Fourth Official: Mehmet Culum (SWE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Radenko Mijatovič (SVN)
G| 06.12.2017, 20:45 CET
RB Arena, Leipzig (GER)
RB Leipzig - Beşiktaş J. K.
RB Arena, Leipzig (GER)
RB Leipzig - Beşiktaş J. K.
Referee: Viktor Kassai (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: György Ring (HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: Vencel Tóth (HUN)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Tamás Bognásr (HUN)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Sándor Andó-Szabó (HUN)
Fourth Official: Balázs Buzás (HUN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Leslie Irvine (NIR)
UEFA Delegate: David Findlay (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Tamás Bognásr (HUN)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Sándor Andó-Szabó (HUN)
Fourth Official: Balázs Buzás (HUN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Leslie Irvine (NIR)
UEFA Delegate: David Findlay (SCO)
H| 06.12.2017, 20:45 CET
Wembley Stadium, London (ENG)
Tottenham Hotspur - APOEL
Wembley Stadium, London (ENG)
Tottenham Hotspur - APOEL
Referee: Slavko Vinčić (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaž Klančnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Andraž Kovacić (SVN)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Rade Obrenović (SVN)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Ponis (SVN)
Fourth Official: Grega Kordež (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Eugène Westerink (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Rade Obrenović (SVN)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Ponis (SVN)
Fourth Official: Grega Kordež (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Eugène Westerink (NED)
H| 06.12.2017, 20:45 CET
Estadio Santiago Bernabéu, Madrid (ESP)
Real Madrid CF - Borussia Dortmund
Real Madrid CF - Borussia Dortmund
Referee: Pavel Královec (CZE)
Assistant Referee 1: Roman Slyško (SVK)
Assistant Referee 2: Ivo Nadvornik (CZE)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Petr Ardeleanu (CZE)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Karel Hrubes (CZE)
Fourth Official: Martin Wilczek (CZE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Christer Fällström (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Martin Sturkenboom (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Petr Ardeleanu (CZE)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Karel Hrubes (CZE)
Fourth Official: Martin Wilczek (CZE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Christer Fällström (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Martin Sturkenboom (NED)
Hello. Who knows who the referee for matches FIFA Club World Cup 2017:
ReplyDeleteAl-Jazira - Auckland City
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Pachuca - Wydad Casablanca
The appointments for games at FIFA tournaments are relased 48 hours before the respective date. So, we can expect today or maybe tomorrow in the morning the first choice, for the play off between Al Jazira and Auckland City.
DeleteFor the quarterfinals on 9 December, we must wait at least for 7 December. This is how it worked in past editions.
Thanks!
DeleteSo now I think that Oliver, Taylor and Dias will be promoted to Elite Category, replacing Thomson, Tagliavento and Atkinson.
ReplyDeleteThese should be the choices. Rizzoli is still included in Elite Category for the first part of this season, but we know that he already decided to retire. So, in case of confirmation, we will have less Elite referees, at least on paper.
Regarding the appointments for Wednesday, I didn't expect Bastien, and I think that the game in Ukraine is a very good signal for him.
Haţegan a bit far away from the spotlights after WC playoff, while Czech Královec could use this opportunity to recover. I think that this was a clear signal by committee: they want him back again. The hope is that this big game (only on paper, given the standings) could help him in order to recover confidence. A new beginning is possible!
Chefren... In your opinion who is ahead in UEFA - Michael Oliver or Anthony Taylor?? In England Michael Oliver is ahead by quite some margin so is it the same rating in UEFA and FIFA circles??
ReplyDeleteIt is really difficult to answer, if we analyze all CL group stage appointments of both Taylor and Oliver, maybe we could say that they are at moment more or less at the same level. I don't see a referee clearly ahead. We can just underline that Taylor has been followed by committee for a longer time than Oliver. In 2015 he made his CL debut, while Oliver managed that one year later, in 2016.
DeleteHowever, at moment they are in a very similar situation, Oliver has still the young age at this side, he can develop his abilities and skills as Elite referee with the needed time, while Taylor is now "already" 39 years old. We expect both in Elite Category and the next assignments will say more about the preferences by committee.
If I had to make a prediction, I would say committee will try to have Taylor ready for Euro 2020 while Oliver for WC 2022. We need English referees in major tournaments, after Clattenburg and Atkinson's retirements.
Personally I would rate Oliver higher than Taylor... That being personality wise as well as based on decision making... Taylor's wrong KMI rate is pretty high and sometimes his big calls are so baffling that it actually beggars belief... He's good for medium level matches but in high difficulty matches Oliver surely edges past Taylor I think based on at least what I've seen in the Premier League in the past 2–3 seasons!!
DeleteI'm not Chefren, but :-)
DeleteOf course both Oliver and Taylor are good referees, especially against the background of no English Elite they are on an Elite level, in my opinion.
Taylor is 'just' a very good referee- in my opinion. As Soham said he makes a lot of crucial mistakes (we have VAR soon, so that is less relevant) and is a solid personality on the pitch but not more. He has a quite English style, not so suited to UEFA, like Webb/Clattenburg et al. I think he would burn in a very challenging CL match, tbh, even in the zenith of his career.
Oliver is clearly a talent, maybe pushed slightly too early but he has proved that right, he did deserve the fast-track Elleray gave him through England. Oliver doesn't look like the biggest manager, however his prevention is more subtle, he is popular amongst the players, media, managers etc. He seems to really 'understand' the players on pitch, and presents himself on a level to the players. This, and he has still years to improve. In my opinion, I could see him having a performance like Webb in ATL-BAR: impossible match, close to perfect performance, in some years anyway from the Newcastle referee.
In summary Taylor is a very good referee, but Oliver is a great referee (with Pawson they are both big future). At least in my opinion.
(PL designations confirm my impression of a ranking
Man City - Man Utd OLIVER
Liverpool - Everton PAWSON
West Ham - Chelsea TAYLOR)
Insightful analysis as always Mikael :) I hardly ever disagree with you and this time is no exception either :)
DeleteFor me it's the other way around.
DeleteOliver is PL since 2010. He never had a domestic final apart from the Community Shield. Isn't it weird?
Taylor has all 3. Community shield, League Cup and FA Cup.
On the UEFA level you can't really make a conclusion. But it's a fact that Oliver had a second chance and he is using it now. After a huge mistake as AAR in CL, he was given low profile matches for about a year. He became quite regular on the appointments since last year.
Oliver has the record for the most number of yellow cards in a League Cup match (ten), achieved in the 2016 Final, between Manchester City - Liverpool.
DeleteOf course Taylor got all three finals before Oliver, however I would suggest age is the primary reason.
Great point about AAR!
Oliver is an absolute shoe-in for the FA Cup Final in 2018 IMO... One mistake as AAR can't end a career of a superb referee... Comfortably the leading referee in England at this moment by a long way!!
DeleteUEFA YOUTH LEAGUE
ReplyDeleteUEFA Champions League Path - Matchday 6
Group E | 13:00 CET, Lendava
NK Maribor - Sevilla FC
Referee: Peter Kráľovič (SVK)
Assistant Referee 1: Miroslav Benko (SVK)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomáš Mókoš (SVK)
Fourth Official: Marko Lackovič (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Drago Kos (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Sərxan Hacıyev (AZE)
Group E | 13:30 CET, Birkenhead
Liverpool FC - FC Spartak Moskva
Referee: Mohammed Al-Hakim (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Daniel Gustavsson (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Fredrik Klyver (SWE)
Fourth Official: Scott Oldham (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: John Ferry (NIR)
UEFA Delegate: Thomas Grimm (SUI)
Group F | 12:00 CET, Vysokyy
FC Shakhtar Donetsk - Manchester City FC
Referee: Daniyar Sakhi (KAZ)
Assistant Referee 1: Aleksandr Pavlov (KAZ)
Assistant Referee 2: Aydyn Tasybayev (KAZ)
Fourth Official: Vitaliy Romanov (UKR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Volodymyr Petrov (UKR)
UEFA Delegate: Sviatlana Hrynkievič (BLR)
Group F | 16:00 CET, Rotterdam
Feyenoord - SSC Napoli
Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Jakub Winkler (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Bartosz Heinig (POL)
Fourth Official: Siemen Mulder (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Johan Verbist (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Ivan Tsitovich (RUS)
Group G | 15:00 CET, Vila Nova de Gaia
FC Porto - AS Monaco FC
Referee: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Javier Aguilar Rodríguez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: José Gallego García (ESP)
Fourth Official: João Borlido de Matos (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Salustià Chato Ciprés (AND)
UEFA Delegate: Scilla Gennaro (ITA)
Group G | 15:00 CET, Leipzig
RB Leipzig - Beşiktaş JK
Referee: Manfredas Lukjančukas (LTU)
Assistant Referee 1: Mantas Lešinskas (LTU)
Assistant Referee 2: Mangirdas Mirauskas (LTU)
Fourth Official: Christof Günsch (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Edgar Steinborn (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Lampriní Dimitroú (GRE)
Group H | 15:00 CET, Enfield
Tottenham Hotspur FC - APOEL FC
Referee: Erik Lambrechts (BEL)
Assistant Referee 1: Karel De Rocker (BEL)
Assistant Referee 2: Thibaud Nijssen (BEL)
Fourth Official: John Brooks (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Edward Foley (IRL)
UEFA Delegate: Claude Kremer (LUX)
Group H | 18:00 CET, Madrid
Real Madrid CF - Borussia Dortmund
Referee: Georgi Kabakov (BUL)
Assistant Referee 1: Martin Margaritov (BUL)
Assistant Referee 2: Martin Venev (BUL)
Fourth Official: Valentín Pizarro Gómez (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Manuel Enrique Mejuto González (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Yelena Kobak (RUS)
Both Stuart Attwell and Paul Tierney on new FIFA list.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the confirmation.
DeleteWow! I did not expect Tierney, FA did not made signals for that to be honest. Attwell, well done to rejoin after everything that happened, I' not so sure Tierney can become a top UEFA referee, but there is much time.
DeleteThank you and best wishes for both!
Surprisingly Tierney is having a better season than Atwell in terms of performances... Latest appointments are also really positive for Tierney... Tierney won't be a Webb maybe but I think he can be a Dean or Marriner!!
DeleteThey both have 5 matches in PL, even East, Mason, Jones, Scott have more- curious. I don't remember a controversy for Tierney (36yrs), Attwell (35yrs) in NEW-CPL and BUR-WHM were 7,9 but I don't think a disaster.
DeleteAttwell also has the advantage of Elleray on UEFA's refcom: they go back many years. If I had to make a prediction I would be surprised to see them ascend beyond First Category; good luck to them both!
Scott's appointments have come as a surprise to me this season... He's now picking up Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd fairly regularly!!
DeleteFunny scene at coin toss before Al Jazira - Auckland City (CWC) Diedhiou threw the coin and Sandro Ricci was hit...
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed it too, Chefren :D
DeleteWe now know why in UEFA, the Fourth Officials do not join the coin toss ;-)
DeleteNew FIFA referees from Europe
ReplyDeleteAlbania
Eldorjan Hamiti
Juxhin Xhaja
Austria
Christofer Jäger
Julian Weinberger
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Dragan Petrović
Admir Šehović
Bulgaria
Volen Chinkov
Croatia
Igor Pajač
Cyprus
Timótheos Christofí
England
Stuart Attwell
Paul Tierney
Faroe Islands
Kári Jóannessarson á Høvdanum
Finland
Petri Viljanen
France:
Karim Abed
Jérôme Brisard
Georgia
Irakli Kvirikashvili
Greece
Ioánnis Papadópoulos
Iceland
Ívar Orri Kristjánsson
Israel
Yigal Frid
Italy
Marco Di Bello
Daniele Doveri
Kosovo
Besfort Kasumi
Luxembourg
Christophe Pires Martins
Montenegro
Milovan Milačić
Norway
Kristoffer Hagenes
Rohit Saggi
Slovenia
Nejc Kajtazovič
Spain
Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea
Sweden
Kristoffer Karlsson
Switzerland
Urs Schnyder
Lionel Tschudi
Ukraine
Yaroslav Kozyk
Mykola Kryvonosov
Vitaliy Romanov
Denys Shurman
Thanks. Rohit Saggi from Norway is only 25 years old. 1992 born, very impressive.
DeleteVery likely, Kosovo got a second spot, I don't think that the referee who joined only one year ago, has been already replaced.
Faroe Islands: Petur Reinert retired (at least from FIFA)?
Petri Viljanen from Finland (1987) is a former footballer (at high level), he played Under 21 EURO Championship in 2009.
Indeed, no Petur Reinert on the list.
DeleteRohit is of Indian descent surely... Hopefully he's someone I can be proud of :)
DeleteFrom what I know, Nicholas Walsh from Scotland was planned to join the FIFA list but is not included so far. Maybe overlooked. We'll see later.
DeleteThat would be strange, he has been confirmed by Scottish FA.
Deletehttp://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1962&newsID=17425&newsCategoryID=1
Nothing yet from Serbia for FIFA list, im expecting Danilo Grujic to be back on the list..
DeleteSorry, Danilo Grujić is on the list. I still had him in mind as FIFA referee.
Delete@Jovan Stojiljkovic so why he was removed for a so short time?
DeleteInteresting situation in 42:50. There was a conflict between two players, immediately fourth official Ricci joined the pitch to separate them. After that, Diedhiou gave a warning to both.
ReplyDeleteI think at WC fourth officials will be more active during the game, this can be an istruction by Collina.
Can you manage a video for us, Chefren? :)
DeleteIf possible, I will try to do that, without hurry :)
DeleteChefren, RayHD, Mikael Does anyone have any information on the possible promotions and demotions from UEFA categories considering that the Referee's Committee were supposed to meet today!!
ReplyDeleteI will get more info around 00:00 CET, sry. :/
DeleteA patient but eager wait for me till then :D
DeleteThanks for any info you will be able to get and share with us, RayHD.
Delete85': phantom foul whistled by Diedhiou, it was not clear what he had whistled, a promising attack by Auckland City was denied... so far I must say the Senegalese has not fully convinced me.
ReplyDelete89': VAR silent check for a potentiallly crucial incident (possible penalty to Auckland City), correct decision to play on.
DeleteIn case of a not fully convincing performance, it would mean Grisha has greater chances of flying to Russia 🤔 The third CAF place battle is between Grisha and Diedhiou IMO
DeleteAgreed with Chefren, quite big problems in positioning, solid personality on the pitch (good for CAF), not that clear line in fouls but okay.
DeleteMaybe they give him another match in UAE, but I am not sure that's a sure way to gain a WC ticket.
@Mikael Can you make a comparative study of Diedhiou and Grisha? :)
DeleteIt really would be nice to have correspondance from a big follower of CAF, CONCACAF, AFC etc. but in their absence I can try.
DeleteMalang Diedhiou was really impressive at AFCON 2017, was good in all of his three matches including a Semifinal. I quite like him, he is one of the best match readers in CAF, he smiles a lot (like Gassama), solid/good personality (one of the best in CAF) like we saw today in UAE, following Diatta I can say that he has filled the gap of his compatriot. For CAF also he seems quite proactive and a good prevention manager, I miss that facet of refereeing a lot at AFCON to be honest.
Ghead Grisha is more interesting as a case IMO. After Ray evaluated his performance in the AFCON 2017 opener as 8,1 he didn't get to referee any other match in Gabon. Egypt getting to the Final didn't help him, to be honest I don't think this was a plan by CAF he was just unlucky. At Rio 2016 he got a Quarterfinal, and it was reported a fine performance. I think he is even quite similar to Diedhiou (very tall!), but like most North African referees one can replace empathy a bit with distance and generally lesser soft skills. He is a bit more distant than the Senegalese, but a bit firmer.
In my opinion, BOTH deserve a ticket to WC, ahead of Sikazwe who in three games at AFCON always showed okayish performances, but not really potential for more. In case of a challenging match, the Zambian would really struggle IMO, whereas Grisha and Diedhiou could cope fairly well.
Gassama on his day a clear no1, but he seems to have lost his form a bit.
Agreed. I would really like to see Diedhiou as a main referee at WC 2018. Gassama and Sikazwe had many below par performances last times...
DeletePenalty for Liverpool after 3 minutes. Marciniak could be backed IMO, but not the clearest call. Now a very bad foul by Emre Can, Marciniak booked him. Orange card... Challenging start for the polish!
ReplyDeleteMissing Yellow at least for Tasci on Coutinho as well
DeleteOne can give a YC for this check for sure.
DeletePenalty
Deletehttps://streamable.com/n82rw
Can's tackle
https://streamable.com/ocx7q
Illegal use of arms
https://streamable.com/tvn26
Do you have a clip from 17 when Can was fouled? Potential SPA although very far from goal- in my association we are told to caution the first SPA. It looked like Marcinak was reaching for his pocket but then decided to manage the situation with his personality.
DeleteNo, sorry. I judged it as normal foul and didn't make a clip. Now the chance has gone. Maybe after the game.
DeleteA strong, but quite subtle verbal warning was Marciniak's solution, and the most logical IMO.
DeletePossible 2nd YC to Dzhikiya for handball SPA
Deletehttps://streamable.com/zxvcg
Penalty incident
Deletehttps://streamable.com/ceapb
After I watched all re-plays I have to say it was a very poor performance of Marciniak. I like him very much but this is not what I expect from him.
DeleteAt least 2 big mistakes for me: red card for Emre Can and 2nd yellow for Dzhikiya (handball). Also, Tasci was not even booked for that (very dangerous)arm contact with Coutinho (10:26).
petschovschi - such posts are the reason why this blog will always be a failure in assessing referee performances.
DeleteYou know nothing about the LOTG and based on that you call something a very poor performance.
A red card to Emre Can would have been 7.9 to the polish referee. The handball 2nd yellow might have been supported, but actually on a RAP DVD it would say now card. There is no promising attack going on.
What is happening now? I'm not watching but it seems as a goal was disallowed after a quite long time...
ReplyDeleteCorrect call, offside. I only saw a replay but it looked like there was some confusion. It would have been the equalizer.
ReplyDeleteDoes anybody know what had happened in Porto? Two players sent off by Eriksson in 38'.
ReplyDeleteFelipe holds Ghezzal. Ghezzal slaps Felipe in the face, Felipe slaps Ghezzal in the nape. Red card for both.
Delete38' Double red card for Felipe (Porto) and Ghezzal (Monaco) issued by Eriksson.
ReplyDeleteTwo players sent off by Eriksson (1 straight red for each team) in Portugal at around 38'... Can someone shed some more light on it??
ReplyDeleteFoul of Felipe (Porto) on Ghezall. Eriksson Would give Felipe a YC for SPA. Ghezall slams Felipe, violent conduct. Then there come more players and Eriksson will stop that fire. In that fire Felipe slams Ghezall. Eriksson talks with his AR and AAR and they send both players off for violent conduct.
DeleteI hope you understand me. I will look for a video.
https://streamable.com/4czll
DeleteLooks like Eriksson had his Yellow card out in the beginning but the persistent fighting and slapping seemed to have changed his mind... Correct call by the Swedish I would say!!
DeleteBrave decission by Eriksson to step into the middle of the riot, but finally absolutely correct double sending-off.
DeleteOT: what model of cards is he using? The red is very intense in colour ;-)
Minute 36' in Feyenoord - Napoli: possible penalty to Napoli. In case, AAR2 responsible, I think. It must be checked...
ReplyDeleteIn real time it didn't look so much, but NAP player hits the ball and then is tripped, it is small but it is enough IMO. Crucial mistake? Maybe not enough.
DeleteIn the case Oliver did whistle, it would have made a very challenging atmosphere at Rotterdam, and anyway it is quite intensive.
I saw a good Oliver so far, remaining quite distant to be honest, I guess his subtle rapport he has in England is harder in UEFA, but still with a quite high level of acceptance, good stepped approach in a fairly rough match and a good YC for a direct reckless tackle.
So far enough for Elite, IMO.
As Chefren said, totally the jurisdiction of AAR2 Moss, so maybe one can call it a smart call by Oliver ;-)
DeleteAAR2 is Paul Tierney :)
DeleteIndeed, my apologies :-)
DeleteThe atmosphere at De Kuip is intense... Seems a really good decision by the committee to test Oliver in this game :)
DeleteQuieter second half as one would expect.
DeleteOn the second penalty appeal for Oliver/Tierney- they (correctly) saw a foul on the defender, Oliver played an advantage. Okay, NAP need to score, but on a perception level considering that was a crucial decision I would prefer him to whistle the freekick. Just a small observation :-)
Otherwise good by Oliver, IF this was a final exam (I suspect a tentative decision has already been made by UEFA refcom before kickoff), Oliver will be an Elite referee for 2018 IMO.
A lot quieter ;-)
DeleteGood use of cards in the last minutes, correct 2YC->RC but I wonder whether it could have been a direct RC:SFP.
In my opinion, SFP and straight RC to be issued.
DeleteMin 36'
DeleteMissed penalty by both Oliver and AAR2.
Ring probably was not sure, who made the final pass. But the situation was solved quite quickly.
ReplyDeletePossible offside in Aubameyang's 2nd goal? (RM 2-2 BVB)
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/5h1dr - looks like he was when kagawa flicked the ball
DeleteMistake by Eriksson to give Monaco penalty. No handball at all
ReplyDeleteYet another crucial mistake?? :(
Deletehttps://imgtc.com/w/wb7342z
DeleteSeems to have hit the armpit rather than the hand... How should that be evaluated??
DeleteReally borderline. I think one should back the referee. Unnatural arm position and possible contact.
DeleteClear mistake and Eriksson had maybe the best possible angle, and besides that he made wrong decision. Do you remember EL final Liverpool-Sevilla officiated by the same man? Of course you do. He denied 3 or 4 penalty appeals for handball in favor of liverpool. At least two of them were clear and Eriksson decided the EL winner with those clear mistakes. And now the same ref gives such a penalty (it is doubtful should it be a PK even if the ball hit the arm - in terms of refereeing in that final never in a million years).
Delete50-50 call. Referee can be backed.
DeleteMaybe the call is 50-50, but 100% the ball didn't touch the arm, but the body. :-) So...
DeleteI thought it was a clear mistake, reading some comments, but indeed it is a quite difficult situation in which we can't be sure about the touch by arm. Problem is that it is impossible to understand, so in this case referee can be backed. Maybe a mistake, but easy to be explained.
DeleteMaybe he can be backed, but also Eriksson could not have been sure, so he should not have awarded the penalty, I think.
DeleteI think the final angle shows that the ball touched part of the arm. I support the call. The defender took a risk in the penalty area, made himself bigger, and gained an advantage from his action. This is a handball decision that I expect to be called.
DeleteAnother penalty appeal rejected by Oliver and Tierney at 65'... Needs to be rewatched
ReplyDeleteNow another situation in front of AAR2 Paul Tierney.
ReplyDeleteKassai with a good performance so far, but he doesn't use his spray when required, and I think he is quite strict and over-using his whistle. He seems a bit restless to me.
ReplyDeleteStill, good performance.
82' correct 2nd YC by Kassai to Leipzig. Blatant holding, SPA. No protests.
ReplyDelete83' Another correct YC, to BES.
81' very clear PK missed by Marciniak, I have no explanation except the score of 5-0...
ReplyDeleteMaybe it was also DOGSO.
For the link, see above.
DeleteThat's a disappointing news :(
DeleteThat would have been an easy good mark for Marciniak in this match. The match was decided very early, only the first few minutes were challenging. If the observer asseses the foul of Can as SFP, which I would fully understand and support, and then the missed penalty I think we have a 7.4 because of two crucial mistakes. The penalty given wasn't that clear, the Austrian expert Thomas Steiner called it a mistake, but I think Marciniak could be backed here. The rest was on expected level.
DeleteAre this kind of mistakes (the winner of the match was decided long time ago, it was 5-0) observer evaluates as crucial mistake (therefore automatically mark goes down to 7,9)? Speaking about result, nothing is crucial there.
DeleteThe last situation at around 81' was a penalty + DOGSO probably?? It seems Marciniak has lost a bit of form recently... Not a very polished performance in Real Madrid v Tottenham and now some mistakes here... The Polish is not at his absolute best like he was the last season!!
DeleteThere is no way the Can tackle is missed SFP and a crucial mistake. Yes, there is SOME high contact, but there is no tangible force involved, the tackle got almost all ball, and there was never really every endangerment to the safety of the opponent. Not every high tackle is SFP!
DeleteNowadays such tackles are punished with only yellow cards. High force but nothing more. Bent legs, no full studs contact (only the tip of the shoe and by accident). So, the yellow card was the optimal choice.
DeleteI also think that it wasn't a mistake to give YC, I wrote that Marciniak will get problems if the observer asseses it as a SFP. For the Austrian expert Thomas Steiner this was a stonewall RC for he called it brutal attack. I don't like his opinions and excessive words at all, I think his analysis could be a bit more objective and not like "searching mistakes".
DeleteOliver FEY-NAP
ReplyDeleteYou can read the many comments above, the tackle for the 2YC->RC was actually a brutal tackle, even a crucial mistake tbh in not being a direct RC, I think only AR1 Burt could have had the perception of the hitting point (?), although the referee could have seen that the FEY player had little/ no control over his body. I tend more towards penalty, the call of AAR2 Tierney though, at 38'. Oliver showed to be a complete, and Elite, referee tonight, in my opinion.
Quick words on Bastien in SHA-MNC, it wasn't his best evening, he presented himself as even naive whistling quite a few clear no fouls, it seemed players had this perception and fell for some freekicks. A doubtful penalty at 91'. He had to YC a player for running to him dissenting after a foul was awarded for a nothing; not the best impression. He was a lot better in Crvena Zvezda - Arsenal, honestly, maybe he is promoted in the summer, he would even deserve it, but you wouldn't have had that idea watching him in Donetsk tonight.
Please Mikael. I see all the match. Clearly disagree with your words. Gundogan was booked because of dissent. It was his second time of exagerrated complaint with gestures and Words. So very good caution here. Penalty is quite soft but there is a foule here. Dont see your « non fouls » décisions either. But i think it’s a cultural difference between us. Agree with excessive falling of some Ukrainian players but just to obtain cards, not for phantom fouls as you pretend. ;)
ReplyDeleteI was watching two games at once, so maybe you can excuse me some errant impressions :-D. No comments on him so I just wanted to give some idea of his night.
DeleteI just didn't think it was the best evening of a (very) promising referee, but he didn't show any worrying/intrinsic problems, apart from maybe acceptance (I didn't mean the card was wrong for dissent, but common sense suggests you don't book a player for 'rightfully' complaining. Of course LOTG would say otherwise, but just my opinion, maybe it was needed in the match to be fair).
Crvena Zvezda - Arsenal is a much better evaluation of his talent.
Nerd facts ;)
ReplyDeleteOn MD6 no referee wore the red kit.
Overall I counted
37 yellow
35 blue
16 black (Bastien, Collum and Oliver twice)
8 red (nobody twice)
Kuipers must have worn yellow in all his 3 games??
DeleteImpossible in Dortmund - there he wore blue.
DeleteYellow is his favourite I always thought :D
DeleteSometimes they choose for a black kit with socks from another color. I saw it in MD5&6 at the Feyenoord game.
DeleteMarciniak in MD1 Feyenoord v Man City... Red socks with the black kit!!
DeleteUEFA dictates that the referee's socks cannot match the color of one of the teams. So it's not really a "choice," to use a different color sock--it's a requirement.
DeleteNo changes in categories for now. Possibly tomorrow. :/
ReplyDeletebut will there be changes?
DeleteThere should be changes, isn't it?? :/
DeleteThanks for the info, RayHD.
DeleteYou all remember, one year ago, on December, there weren't changes as well. It is possible that now it is the same. Maybe committee has decided to update the categories only once a year, on June.
The meeting on December can be only for adding the new FIFA referees in the respective categories. However, let's wait for more info.
Are there any information about which referees is leaving the list? Another one is why does England just got two new fifa referees when Atkinsson and Marrined is stepping down and Clattenburg has not been replaced yet
DeleteSo it seems as Atkinson will stay on the list while Clattenburg and Marriner have been replaced by Tierney and Attwell.
DeleteEduard Beitinger from Germany is new FIFA Referee Assistant and replaced Holger Henschel
ReplyDeleteHere is official : https://www.dfb.de/die-mannschaft/news-detail/assistent-eduard-beitinger-neu-auf-fifa-schiedsrichterliste-179279/
Strange that Manuel Gräfe and Tobias Welz are still there although they didn't handle a single game this season (Welz even more due to injury, Gräfe failed fitness test?). There are some young referees in Bundesliga who could have jumped in...
DeleteDon't know if it's final, but for now...
ReplyDeleteElite
Atkinson, Aytekin, Brych, Çakır, Collum, Eriksson, Fernández Borbalán, Hațegan, Karasov, Kassai, Královec, Kuipers, Makkelie, Marciniak, Mateu Lahoz, Mažić, Oliver, Orsato, Rocchi, Sidirópoulos, Skomina, Taylor, Turpin, Undiano Mallenco, Zwayer
So, Atkinson still FIFA referee for 2018?
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DeleteAranovsʹkyy, Banti, Bastien, Beaton, Bebek, Bezborodov, Blom, Bognár, Boyko, Buquet, del Cerro Grande, Delférière, Drachta, Ekberg, Estrada Fernández, Evans, Gestranius, Gil, Gil Manzano, Göçek, Gözübüyük, Gräfe, Grinfeld, Jug, Kehlet, Kovács, Kružliak, Kulbakou, Lechner, Liani, Madden, Mažeika, Mazzoleni, Moen, Nijhuis, Özkahya, Pisani, Raczkowski, Schörgenhofer, Soares Dias, Sousa, Stavrev, Stefański, Stieler, Strömbergsson, Treimanis, Vad, Vinčič, Welz, Yes'kov, Zelinka
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DeleteAbed, Ağayev, Ardeleánu, Árnason, Attwell, Avram, Bieri, Boucaut, Brisard, Clancy, Colțescu, Dabanović, Dallas, Dankert, de Burgos Bengoetxea, Delerue, Di Bello, Dingert, Doveri, Doyle, Farkas, Frankowski, Fritz, Guida, Hansen, Harkam, Hernández Hernández, Hunter, Irrati, Ivanov, Jaccottet, Jorgji, Jovanović, Jović, Kabakov, Kalkavan, Kalogerópoulos, Klossner, Komínis, Kráľovič, Kristoffersen, Kuchin, Lapochkin, Lardot, Letexier, Martins, Madley, Martínez Munuera, Massa, Mečkarovski, Meshkov, Miguel, Millot, Munukka, Nevalainen, Nilsen, Palabıyık, Pandžić, Pawson, Peljto, Petrescu, Popov, Rainville, Reinshreiber, Sánchez Martínez, Sant, Schärer, Schneider, Schüttengruber, Shmuelevitz, Siebert, Stoyanov, Tierney, Tohver, Trattou, Tsynkevich, Tykgaard, Valeri, van Boekel, Vertenten
á Høvdanum, Al-Hakim, Aliyev, Andó-Szabó, Anufrijevs, Apostolov, Aretópoulos, Atazhanov, Balakin, Baliyan, Banari, Barbeno, Barcelo, Branco Godinho, Burchardt, Chinkov, Christofí, Costa Veríssimo, Dimitríou, do Nascimento Teixeira, Đokić, Durieux, Eskås, Farrugia Cann, Feșnic, Frid, Frischer, Găman, Glova, Golubevs, Griffith, Grujić, Hagenes, Hamiti, Harvey, Həsənov, Hennessy, Higler, Hjaltalín, Hovhannisyan, Jäger, Jakimovski, Jakubik, Järvinen, Kajtazovič, Kaluđerović, Karakó, Karlsson, Kasumi, Kennedy, Kjærsgaard, Kopriwa, Kozyk, Kristjánsson, Kruashvili, Kryvonosov, Kvirikashvili, Laforge, Lambrechts, Levnikov, Lukjančukas, Maae, Mántalos, Marhefka, Markham-Jones, Marshall, Masiás, Matyunin, McLaughlin, McNabb, Meler, Milačić, Muntean, Musiał, Nikolić, Nuza, Nyberg, Obrenovič, Očenáš, Orel, Papadópoulos, Papapétrou, Papir, Paşayev, Pejin, Petrović, Pires Martins, Poulsen, Příhoda, Proske, Robertson, Romanov, Rumšas, Saggi, Sakhi, San, Santos Capela, Schnyder, Šehović, Shcharbakou, Shurman, Silva Pinheiro, Steen, Strukan, Tarajev, Tean, Þórarinsson, Todorov, Troleis, Tschudi, Ulusoy, Vadachkoria, Viljanen, Vilkov, Visser, Walsh, Weinberger, Xhaja, Zammit, Zebec
DeleteThanks, before opening a new post with the update, maybe it is better to wait a few time. So, we will be sure that these are the final choices.
DeleteYeah, I think waiting a bit more is advisable.
DeletePersonally, I still expect Soares Dias in Elite and Agayev + Pawson in First.
DeleteWhere did your information above come from?
DeleteI expect Massa in Category 1. Italy would have 6 Category 2 referees, without Massa's promotion, that would be too much. Massa was tested and tested again, I think that now time has come. We can't stay still with Banti and Mazzoleni... let's see
Delete@Chefren Are these new lists operative from December 2017 or January 2018?? For example, if we consider Oliver then for mentioning his span of being an Elite referee will it be 2017-present or 2018-present??
Delete1 January 2018
Delete1 January 2018 - 30 June 2018
DeleteThat means his career as an Elite referee starts from 2018!!
DeleteRayHD can you please do a list of who got promoted and demoted?
ReplyDeleteI watched now Marciniak's situations in Liverpool - Spartak Moscow and my opinion are the following:
ReplyDelete1) Penalty is a supportable call, I wouldn't have whistled it, but referee can be backed.
2) Tackle by Can very close to RC, but YC is still supportable, we can analyze the intensity of the tackle which was not so high. However, RC wouldn't have been wrong.
3) Second YC to Dzhikiya could have been issued, but at the same time I'm not sure about the control of the ball by Salah, let's say YC was the best choice there, but not still a 100% mandatory one.
4) Penalty missed when score was 6-0, however I have a feeling that Marciniak didn't have the exact perception of the incident.
So, all in all, for me neither a so good performance, but at the same time nor a very poor one.
There were some situations in which the Polish could have taken better decisions, however the ones he took were not always clear mistakes.
Fully agree with you. Luckily, the match was decided early, so nobody cares about his decisions.
DeleteNo other changes till now!
ReplyDeletedel Cerro Grande promoted?
DeleteJust as remark, England would stay without referees in Category 1 at moment, however given that in the second part of the season there is only KO stage of both Champions and Europa League, this wouldn't be a real problem. Surely in June at least Pawson will be promoted.
DeleteThe main target for refeees promoted in Category 1 is to get matches in group stages of both CL and EL, so very likely this is a reason for which in this update there weren't too many promotions in Category 1, if not the mandatory ones (Ekberg replacing Johannesson).
But then on next June surely committee will fix these things, including Gil Manzano replacing Fernández Borbalán in Elite Category... that's my view.
No further changes till now.
DeleteSo it should be the final list.
DeleteHowever, for being 100% sure, before writing a news, let's wait a few days.
@Chefren How does Atkinson still stay on in the Elite Group in spite of not receiving a single appointment in UEFA matches during this season?? Really strange that Marriner has been removed but Atkinson stays 🤔
DeleteImpossible to answer, we should know the reason for which he didn't get games in this group stage. Very likely he failed some tests, the only reason, but we can't be sure.
DeleteLet's see whether for KO stage he will be back again, but in that case I think he wont get top clashes in CL.