Discussing referees' performances at 2025 FIFA Club World Cup
Group Stage, MD2
Group G
Sunday 22 June 2025, 18:00 CET
Lincoln Financial Field, Philadelphia
Juventus (ITA) - Wydad Casablanca (MAR)
Referee: Said Martinez HON
Assistant Referee 1: Walter Lopez HON
Assistant Referee 2: Christian Ramirez HON
Fourth Official: Ma Ning CHN
Video Assistant Referee: Erick Miranda MEX
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Shaun Evans AUS
Support Video Assistant Referee: Khamis Al Marri QAT
Group H
Sunday 22 June 2025, 21:00 CET
Bank of America Stadium, Charlotte
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Pachuca (MEX)
Referee: Ramon Abatti BRA
Assistant Referee 1: Daniolo Manis BRA
Assistant Referee 2: Rafael Alves BRA
Fourth Official: Espen Eskas NOR
Video Assistant Referee: Hernan Mastrangelo ARG
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Juan Lara CHI
Support Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello ITA
Group H
Monday 23 June 2025, 00:00 CET
Audi Field, Washington
FC Salzburg (AUT) - Al Hilal (KSA)
Referee: Wilton Sampaio BRA
Assistant Referee 1: Bruno Boschilia BRA
Assistant Referee 2: Bruno Pires BRA
Fourth Official: Jean Jacques Ndala Ngambo COD
Video Assistant Referee: Nicolas Gallo COL
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Armando Villarreal USA
Support Video Assistant Referee: Bram Van Driessche BEL
Group G
Monday 23 June 2025, 03:00 CET
Mercedes-Benz Stadium, Atlanta
Manchester City (ENG) - Al Ain (UAE)
Referee: Mustapha Ghorbal ALG
Assistant Referee 1: Mokrane Gourari ALG
Assistant Referee 2: Abbes Akram Zerhouni ALG
Fourth Official: Alireza Faghani IRN / AUS
Video Assistant Referee: Mahmoud Ashour EGY
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Leodan Gonzalez URU
Support Video Assistant Referee: Fu Ming CHN
Group B
Monday 23 June 2025, 21:00 CET
Rose Bowl, Los Angeles
Atlético Madrid (ESP) - Botafogo (BRA)
Referee: César Ramos MEX
Assistant Referee 1: Alberto Morin MEX
Assistant Referee 2: Marco Bisguerra MEX
Fourth Official: Gustavo Tejera URU
Video Assistant Referee: Guillermo Pacheco MEX
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Erick Miranda MEX
Support Video Assistant Referee: Tatiana Guzman NCA
Group B
Monday 23 June 2025, 21:00 CET
Lumen Field, Seattle
Seattle Sounders (USA) - Paris Saint Germain (FRA)
Referee: Cristian Garay CHI
Assistant Referee 1: Miguel Rocha CHI
Assistant Referee 2: Jose Retamal CHI
Fourth Official: Campbell-Kirk Kawana-Waugh NZL
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Lara CHI
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Nicolas Gallo COL
Support Video Assistant Referee: Ivan Bebek CRO
Group A
Tuesday 24 June 2025, 03:00 CET
MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford
FC Porto (POR) - Al Ahly (EGY)
Referee: Jesus Valenzuela VEN
Assistant Referee 1: Jorge Urrego VEN
Assistant Referee 2: Tulio Moreno VEN
Fourth Official: Omar Al Ali UAE
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Soto VEN
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Leodan Gonzalez URU
Support Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández ESP
Group A
Tuesday 24 June 2025, 03:00 CET
Hard Rock Stadium, Miami
Inter Miami (USA) - Palmeiras (BRA)
Referee: Szymon Marciniak POL
Assistant Referee 1: Tomasz Listkiewicz POL
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Kupsik POL
Fourth Official: Michael Oliver ENG
Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski POL
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Shauns Evans AUS
Support Video Assistant Referee: Khamis Al Marri QAT
A few remarks on the MD3 referee appointments.
ReplyDeleteInter vs. River Plate was the perfect match for Barton. My interpretation; FIFA wants to keep Barton on board a little longer. MD3 matches can be more (media) sensitive, since teams that are eliminated often feel free to publicly criticize and blame the referee for their loss. Tantashev, who isn’t AFC’s number one, gets the challenge. Meanwhile, Faghani can start prepping for the knockouts. I have to say, the “shelter strategy” is a bit disappointing.
Zwayer doing Urawa twice is definitely odd. He obviously can’t officiate Fluminense because they share a group with Dortmund. Still, I find this policy hard to read. Maybe this is the perfect kind of game to keep Zwayer in the tournament a little longer? Also kind of… tucked away?
And then there’s Letexier, who seems to fast-track straight into the knockouts, even though there are clearly tougher matches than Benfica–Bayern. I have thoughts about that — especially considering Turpin had the better season, by far.
A thankless task for Nyberg. On one hand, he deserved more after his first match. On the other hand, there are many European heavyweights present, and FIFA is treating this tournament with deadly seriousness…
And finally: Eskas as fourth official is not a good sign. No trace of István Kovacs — and if he were still around, surely we would’ve seen him as a fourth official by now.
you forgot that still we have games in Group G and H. and, also we have City vs Juve. also, i don't know the situation from group H where is Real Madrid.
DeleteI've been very critical of Vincic before, but last night he adapted very well to a typical "Copa Libertadores"-style game. He could have shown a couple more yellow cards, but he always had control of the game and stood firm in an extremely difficult match to referee. That only comes with experience as a referee. He dismissed the players' complaints when they asked for a red card, and he spoke when necessary. He showed the appropriate yellow cards, and the expulsions were correct. He perfectly understood the atmosphere and the temperature of the match. In other words, he applied the rules, but he also understood the game. Very well for him.
ReplyDeleteWell, the performances of Vincic this year remember me to a rollercoaster. At least he is on top now.
DeleteJuve 7 is making this game more difficult for the officials all by himself. Exaggerating every little contact trying to get his opponents in trouble. Other than that, not too much for Martinez to do, he's managed well...
ReplyDeleteThere were at least 2mins of stoppages in ET for injuries, he could have allowed that corner
Agree. Similar approach to his first game, a rather early but soft YC (soft stamp on heel in 23‘ to WAC#22) but then no more card issued and even a clear SPA offence ignored in 37‘.
DeleteCautioned WAC#22 has to be careful in 2nd half, a few borderline fouls committed already.
48' clear YC missed for reckless and also reaction by player after foul whistled, very poor this one!
ReplyDeleteAlso missed YC on thuram and on the foul on Cambiaso
Delete49' The whistle had long long gone before that ball was kicked completely across the pitch. Yes, the Juve player needing treatment means no real delay, but that was blatant
ReplyDelete61' Again, kicking the ball forcefully well after the whistle, followed by imaginary card waving. There is zero reaction to any of this from Martinez, meaning its starting to happen more and more, and the temperature is rising
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I don't like at all this officiating, from some aspects, not so different from Ramos...
ReplyDeleteHow bad is this refereeing from Martinez…
ReplyDeleteI didn’t catch his first game, how did he do if someone saw it??
I thought he was pretty good in his first game, close to very good
Delete90'+3' Vlahovic wins a penalty by initiating a fall and exaggerating a soft contact. To me, not even a foul.
ReplyDeleteVery soft penalty, but not totally wrong. Not convincing display by the referee from Honduras.
DeleteRed card by Abatti. Very clear and the way Madrid have been playing, it’s been coming..
ReplyDeleteIt's not even a foul, he grabbed the shirt but he didn't really pull it to justify the fall. Also not a clear goal scoring opportunity whatsoever.
DeleteI think you’re on your own there, presumably you’re a Madrid fan too so your judgement is clouded somewhat. As clear dogso as it gets
DeleteIt is a very clear red card, if you want to question on the foul, OK, but once whistled, it doesn't exist any explanation to justify no RC.
DeleteThe pull is soft/fleeting and the player exaggerates the fall, but a foul/RC is still the expected decision. Clear Dogso once given... I do think a LoR holding could (should) have been cautioned in the 4th min, but the trend is to not open cards early with situations like that
DeleteOnce whisteled var can’t intervene.
DeleteClear rc good spot
ReplyDeleteA few minutes ago possible penalty, keeper playing ball but then committing an "unexpected" step on foot on opponent, I think we could describe it in this way. Fully agree that this wasn't a clear and obvious mistake, given the totally unexpected situation and the full fair action before.
ReplyDeleteIn these cases, it's important to remember that the attacker has to take responsibility as well - where's the keeper supposed to put the foot? IMO the first one on the ball should never be punished unless they are doing something very dangerous.
DeleteI don't have the time but the long check for a potential PK for Pachuca was a really close call, that for me could have been an OFR and possibly a PK at the end
ReplyDeleteAbout Martinez: In his first game the performance was good, now just average imo. His technical skills are great, but he still needs to act more precautious in terms of disciplinary issues. But maybe some guys on CONCACAF would not like him doing that...!?
ReplyDeleteClear penalty missed by ghorbal especially as he had a good view. Var saved him.
ReplyDeleteAlso had to rescind Aït Nouri's yellow card given for SPA
DeleteHmm. Regarding the management of the French officials:
ReplyDeleteLet’s suspect that Clément Turpin will be appointed for Thursday’s Juventus–City clash. That would make sense, especially now that his compatriot François Letexier has been handed Real Madrid. But the timing of Turpin’s second appearance — very late in the group stage — doesn’t exactly bode well for his knock-out stage prospects. With little rest time available before the Round of 16, and considering referees typically need a period of (mental) recovery and downtime, it suggests Turpin may not be in FIFA’s primary plans for the later stages. At this point, both Michael Oliver and Slavko Vinčić appear to be locked in for the knock-out rounds, with Marciniak and Letexier likely penciled in — assuming they perform solidly in their opening games. All signs point to a maximum of five UEFA referees being used beyond the group stage.
There’s also an added complication for Turpin: PSG. And while he may still be in contention for a potential quarter-final or even a semi-final, much depends on confederation neutrality. Whether UEFA is prepared to bend that principle remains to be seen. I doubt it.
It does raise an interesting question: who at UEFA/FIFA decided that Letexier deserves a knock-out appointment while Turpin, arguably the more consistent performer this season, might fall out? So far, Letexier has done little to stand out on FIFA’s radar…
Regarding the final candidates:
In recent tournaments, we’ve often seen the following pattern for referees who go on to officiate the final: Matchday 2 + Round of 16 + final.
This sequence applied to Szymon Marciniak at the 2022 World Cup, as well as to Glenn Nyberg. At this tournament, the officials who appear to be following that same trajectory are Slavko Vinčić, Michael Oliver, and also Ivan Barton — who, in my view, are the main contenders for the final. As impressive as Vinčić has been, part of me hopes Oliver will be the one to cap off his career with this honor. He’s been in strong form throughout the UEFA season, but with English teams reaching the latter stages, his assignments were limited — with only the UEFA Conference League semi-final to show for it. A final would be fitting compensation imho.
I would be more optimistic for Turpin: I think, a QF is the logical path for him (if he actually works on Thursday). Yes, PSG and confed neutrality might be a problem, but the English and German referees have it even worse, with possibly two teams in the QF.
DeleteTherefore I would rather not give Turpin JUV-MCI to keep him available for those two teams in the QF.
Letexier should get a R16 (if his first game goes alright), but more seems unlikely IMO as he still is one of the least experienced UEFA referees.
I mean, Turpin has been planned for two group stage matches before the tournament even started, while Oliver, Letexier, Marciniak (and likely Vincic as well) could advance straight to the knockouts after just one group stage appearance.
DeleteThat makes me wonder: on what basis are these decisions made, and why does Letexier seem to be “favoured” over Turpin? Of course, Turpin still has a shot at a quarter-final, but to get there, he’ll have to be compete with names like Zwayer, Taylor, and others—unlike the four mentioned above.
And agree, I also don’t consider Letexier is the leading candidate for the final. Not because of form or his qualities, but more because I expect Vincic and Oliver to receive a stronger push. A Bayern–Benfica appointment doesn’t exactly scream “headline” in a FIFA context, whereas Vincic was given the chance to shine in a Derby d’America. And he took that chance. Good for him — but not everyone gets such a prime opportunity. That should be acknowledged too.
For me in a FIFA tournament Turpin is more consider than Letexier, his U20 WC was probably his last FIFA tournament and it didn't went well, which is different for Turpin who was expected to get a SF or final of the WC in 2022 if french didn't go all the way. IMO Turpin should be ahead of Letexier and there is still a lot of games, and btw Letexier haven't touch the pitch yet so we must take our time to already think about SF or final. But i don't see how we can say Turpin will be left over.
DeleteOnly VARs released right now, it seems so difficult to make the last appointments for group stage..
ReplyDeleteIsn’t this the pace the appointments were released up to now? Every other day a new set for MD+2 and MD+3 is released (only this time there are no MD+3’s).
DeleteIt's amazing for me how Ramon Abatti Abel refs so much better in the international stage than in Brasileirão Série A.
ReplyDeleteGood no call from Ramos for Atletico penalty appeal at 24'
ReplyDeleteFirst 24 minutes from Ramos were no issues, surprisingly appropriate foul selection from him. Then a good no-penalty decision in the Botafogo penalty area in 25' (possible simulation, and I don't think he sold it very well anyways), a clear missed foul by Botafogo just outside, and a possible reckless foul by Atletico in the 27th minute deemed careless. Things are heating up.
ReplyDeleteHow is it possible thar Simoeno can stay in the TO match after match?
ReplyDeleteSeriously, he at least needs a yellow card at some point...
DeleteSimeone seems to have a different laws of the game and all pro refs in the world have agreed to let him do whatever he wants.
Delete37' interesting potential penalty for Atletico. Defender clears ball but then makes contact with his studs to the attacker's shin in the followthrough. I think no-penalty is the best decision here but it is a very subjective one.
ReplyDeleteI just don't think you can give a penalty (or foul) for that. It's a very natural follow through and the attacker is the one arriving late in desperation. Defender didn't do anything careless, per se. And he definitely didn't do anything worse.
Delete33' for me is much more problematic. It's a foul and yellow card. Ramos is staring right at it. He doesn't whistle. He then stops for the injury. He and his team can't figure out a just result during the injury stoppage and somehow stick with a dropped ball restart. I mean, surely the VMO team at least checked for SFP, which would then signal to him it was at least a bad foul.
OFR after a very long check by Mexican VAR...
ReplyDeleteBTW the Mexican referee should have whistled something on the pitch. He now decided for the previous foul, this was reason why long check.
DeleteThis is the main situation where announcements make sense for VAR. Whole stadium would likely be very confused about why there is a VAR check resulting in a free kick
DeleteFar too long. If this is what is to come next year then good luck to FIFA
ReplyDeleteA good situation for the stadium announcement and actually quite well explained by Ramos.
ReplyDeleteBehaviour of both teams has been awful
Honestly not as bad as I expected in terms of the behavior of the teams.
DeleteToo hot and too few fans to let the game turn into chaos.
Delete44' Yet another penalty appear for Alvarez, again some contact on the foot, but he falls quite easily. For me it is not enough. VAR says penalty but foul beforehand for a push, which itself is supportable but quite soft in context. To me, a better decision would have been to play on without a review.
ReplyDeleteActually, seeing it again, definitely a foul on the push. The penalty itself still seems soft to me, the attacker should have stayed on his feet there. Regardless, a fair final outcome is the most important.
DeleteIn my opinion, the main issue is that Ramos missed both incidents, getting his VAR into trouble.
DeleteDefensive foul or play on are both fine if decided on pitch.
Yep,that's the beauty of Ramos' matches.
ReplyDeleteYou feel every time match could get out of hand,his style is unique and we non CONCACAF viewers have to realise that.
Calm game in Seattle. Good job by Garay so far.
ReplyDeleteAnd now after halftime whistle he (Simieone) stands in the middle with the referees. Do you think he says:Well done?? We talk about parents around the field with youngsters but what is this??
ReplyDeleteHe is for sure not saying great job😀
DeleteI am usually one of the biggest advocates for sanctioning coaches for entering the field to confront the referees; however, in this case i can understand not doing so. The tunnel is on the opposite side of the field from the benches, so the coaches and subs are all walking across the field anyways, and what we saw on the broadcast was not demonstrative or confrontational from Simeone.
DeleteRewatched the mentioned incidents.
DeleteIn 24' I think a penalty call would have been supported by VAR due to the contact with second defender, but I agree with referee's decision to play on, attacker tried to use this one for the call.
33' is very clear YC for studs, big miss by Ramos, hard to accept, he immediately stopped play because maybe informed by VAR about a check of a possible SFP.
37': penalty was possible, but without the attacker close, the action by defender would have been assessed as 100% clean, it's always very hard to punish such incidents, but yes, one could read a reckless action here, despite of the previous touch on ball. I think these situations are very sophisticated in modern refereeing and you have always a feeling you can take a too harsh decision if you call it. I agree with VAR to stay silent, but clear arguments for calling it (fans will never agree, and maybe that's a point).
44' one could indeed say more freely use of VAR than UEFA games, but that's nothing new. We rarely see OFR in which also previous fouls are analyzed (this should indeed mean that referee missed two potential incidents live). The unwritten rule about intervantion should be that if the possible penalty happens after a rather clear foul for the other team, referee shouldn't be called. Otherwise with such OFRs like this one, you have a feeling VAR is re-officiating the game and that's not the aim.
BTW after a rathe positive start, again not the best display by Mexican referee, really impossible to understand what Collina sees in him, having appointed his crew again for this game... my personal opinion...
Now Simeone with pushing GK and nothing about that is done.
ReplyDeleteJust a late note about this:
ReplyDeletehttps://streambug.org/cv/0f7878 (Thank you Chefren for the clip)
If Kooij or van der Eijk were the ref, it would be 100% a fast red.
But it was just a Dahane Beida so just a normal fault Haha
The behaviour on the field is terrible, 5-6 players walking in the back of the referee after each decision and of course they don't support him, no actions!
ReplyDeleteBarboza with handling the ball and then we have on of the most blatant protests and asking for YC by Llorente..
ReplyDeleteOf course,nothing was done.
68' Botafogo-Atletico has to be a YC for the Atletico player for that (yellow) card gesture, that's way over the top, especially the arm throwing when the ref doesn't give it
ReplyDelete72’ How is this not a yellow card for Botafogo #20 !! Clear reckless lunge
ReplyDeleteIts Ramos... Stop expecting good decision making...
DeleteBtw the offender's reaction is the icing on the cake Haha
I know. But even for his standards that’s yellow. I don’t actually think his overall display has been too bad otherwise - the OFR seemed a rather pointless exercise
DeleteCorrea since he got in the game has been showing 3 ,4 time atleast card sign.
ReplyDeleteAll that will matter to Fifa is that no game control was lost and that there were no controversies .
So I fully expect him in K.O. round.
I fully expect him in the Final (tongue-in-cheek)
Delete93' Delibrately blocking a quick freekick/not retreating 10yds, no management. Then throwing the ball several metres forward of where the foul took place, turn a blind eye.
ReplyDeleteAlso, possible reckless about 3mins prior by Botafogo, no gesture, chat, or YC after the advantage.
And then a delay taking a FK, YC shown, and no time added to the 6mins. This doesn't feel like the management of an elite referee, sums up his tournament so far
To add, standing forehead to forehead with AR1 is apparently fine and dandy. Ramos was not as bad as the previous match, but no leadership or taking control of the players. So weak and yet we will probably see him again...
DeleteYep,Galan can say or do whatever he wants.
DeleteSame goes for Llorente and Correa.
Honestly, Ramos was not so bad today. The players were willing to play and the game didn't ask for much from the referee, besides the penalty appeals, which were mostly well-handled.
ReplyDeleteI think that control that he had was only due to result,where Atletico surrendered mentally,it was obvious.
DeleteIf result was any closer we would have seen some tense moments,but notion that he was alright was going to carry him to the next round.
Many missed yellows,letting dissents as you can not punishing any kind of bad behaviour is very dissapointing from any ref at this level.
Incredible that Collina allows referees like Ramos. New rules are crystal clear and they were pushed mostly by Collina.
ReplyDeleteYellow card gesture 4 times from Corriera not even warning . Staying in front of ball to not allow quick freekick take nothing to, smashed ball with hands by Paul nothing. He just dont care Ramos allows anything.
I know this referee and he has always been like this, average only 2 cards per game international but with this strict new rules I thought all referees has to follow them.
I don't think that Collina and rest of crew eill asess this as average or bad performance.
DeleteThey will say he did alright, as no teams has right to complain and ge did without any controversies, which was needed after his 1st game.
I know you are right. But can not understand that referees allows on this level 4 times yellow card gesture in front of their face from same player without any sanction.
Delete@ M, do you know if they will clear yellow cards before U21 semifinals?
ReplyDeleteI dont know for sure,but knowing professionals and their rules,they apsolutely should clear cards before semifinals.
DeleteYes, they will according to Article 50.04 (in German language):
Delete"Verwarnungen aus Spielen der Endrunde, die nicht zu einer Sperre geführt haben, verfallen nach dem Viertelfinale. Sie werden nicht ins Halbfinale übernommen."