tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post3664735790110936426..comments2024-03-28T19:12:40.332+01:00Comments on Law 5 - The Referee: Europa League 2021/22 - Referee appointments for Matchday 1Law5TheRefhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12274952933938429751noreply@blogger.comBlogger88125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-62441325196421465032021-09-17T23:20:58.497+02:002021-09-17T23:20:58.497+02:00After watching a great game Betis-Celtic, my impre...After watching a great game Betis-Celtic, my impressions about Jovic and his team:<br /><br />Good performance by Jovic in dynamic but not too difficult game. Apart from wrongly annuled goal (hard to see, it could seem that there was a handball), it is hard to find major mistake. Pk correct, consistent lenient criteria, mandatory YC issued correctly, ARs with 2 correct important decisions, especially onside before a goal for 2-2 was very tight. Few YC for dissent in 1H absolutely correct.<br /><br />Potential 2nd YC mentioned above - SPA + (reasonable) advantage given = no caution, IMO correct. <br /><br />"loss of control" mentioned above- natural nervous reactions of Betis players after loosing 0:2 at home early. No problems in general. <br />Forlanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01815264333573757666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-23925896307858214212021-09-17T20:58:02.418+02:002021-09-17T20:58:02.418+02:00Some people still dont know the rules.Some people still dont know the rules.Panterwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13332292260818910540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-46740380437271378472021-09-17T18:03:23.995+02:002021-09-17T18:03:23.995+02:00Frankfurt player is closer than 9.15 meters in the...Frankfurt player is closer than 9.15 meters in the penalty area arrow. hugostiglitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14808038936534384167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-19815730436765953572021-09-17T18:01:43.698+02:002021-09-17T18:01:43.698+02:00LOTG and VAR protocol are not the same i get that....LOTG and VAR protocol are not the same i get that. VAR should have intervened after goal because the attacking player invaded before the kick. But the law says if both team players invaded retake the penalty, that is so simple. The only tricky point here of VAR, they had the key point of intervention because the invaded player made the goal.hugostiglitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14808038936534384167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-82674150098177574802021-09-17T17:57:30.094+02:002021-09-17T17:57:30.094+02:00About the second situation, indeed VAR can only st...About the second situation, indeed VAR can only start a review when one of the offending players becomes involved after the penalty has been taken. But once a review has been started, a completely correct outcome should be produced. So in this case the review is started because of the attacker encroaching, but once started the review, the defenders should be considered as well.<br />Then the question remains whether or not one or more of the defenders is/are inside the penalty area at the moment the penalty is taken (at least one foot inside or on the line of the penalty area). I couldn’t see that in the picture above.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03374480483893734947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-41458698086215811062021-09-17T17:56:35.238+02:002021-09-17T17:56:35.238+02:00About the second situation, indeed VAR can only st...About the second situation, indeed VAR can only start a review when one of the offending players becomes involved after the penalty has been taken. But once a review has been started, a completely correct outcome should be produced. So in this case the review is started because of the attacker encroaching, but once started the review, the defenders should be considered as well.<br />Then the question remains whether or not one or more of the defenders is/are inside the penalty area at the moment the penalty is taken (at least one foot inside or on the line of the penalty area). I couldn’t see that in the picture above.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03374480483893734947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-57381917227028562272021-09-17T17:13:24.001+02:002021-09-17T17:13:24.001+02:00Thanks, that's what I meant.
So it's not e...Thanks, that's what I meant.<br />So it's not even only VAR, but in general: The position at a restart is the position of the feet.<br />So it's not that clear in the picture of yesterday's game.Philipp Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17241731897712166394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-12259039954601081072021-09-17T16:20:16.289+02:002021-09-17T16:20:16.289+02:00Philipp, it's in the glossary at the end of th...Philipp, it's in the glossary at the end of the LOTG<br /><br />Restart position: A player's position at a restart is determined by the position of their feet or any part of their body which is touching the ground, except as oulined in Law 11 - Offside.CWY2190https://www.blogger.com/profile/07489877587725781507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-64735703015942422442021-09-17T16:13:50.764+02:002021-09-17T16:13:50.764+02:00You are correct, Forlan. VAR will only get involve...You are correct, Forlan. VAR will only get involved if the encroachment is by someone who becomes directly involved in play.<br /><br />In my opinion, this point in the VAR protocol is there to ensure that VAR is only used if it is really necessary. But if VAR has the opportunity to review, then surely the correct decision must be made at the end, right? <br />Dominik M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02522047306193433856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-36494654409977636882021-09-17T16:09:05.470+02:002021-09-17T16:09:05.470+02:00I believe the same as Forlan, but struggle to find...I believe the same as Forlan, but struggle to find the source.Philipp Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17241731897712166394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-68762527228071070952021-09-17T15:53:06.259+02:002021-09-17T15:53:06.259+02:00I might be wrong, but I believe (to put it simple)...I might be wrong, but I believe (to put it simple) that for VAR only players that later influenced the game are relevant. Besides, only feet are relevant for restart/fk/pk encroachment, so I would say that only defenders 37 and 13 could be inside, but they do not influence anything.<br /><br />Completely correct VAR intervention IMO.Forlanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01815264333573757666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-65985109962097630312021-09-17T15:26:11.404+02:002021-09-17T15:26:11.404+02:00First situation: Player is clearly in line of visi...First situation: Player is clearly in line of vision in my opinion. The question I have is if it's really offside? Impossible to say without calibrated lines from VAR.<br /><br />Second situation: Penalty should have been retaken in my opinion. Encroachment by defending and attacking players. Dominik M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02522047306193433856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-72544838527988585422021-09-17T15:09:40.448+02:002021-09-17T15:09:40.448+02:00LOTG and VAR protocol are not the same thing.LOTG and VAR protocol are not the same thing.Forlanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01815264333573757666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-61369385488156312512021-09-17T14:58:08.216+02:002021-09-17T14:58:08.216+02:00it was quite tricky: first var needed to check, if...it was quite tricky: first var needed to check, if there was an offense by he gk. but the gk stopped the penalty with one foot on the line correctly. then var needed to check, if the attacker who then scored the rebound-goal entered the box too early. from my perspective i want to say: how can a referee make so much fuzz about encroachment prior to the pk and then miss almost 2 meters of encroachment in front of his eyes and give the goal? also var should have seen, that there was also a defender in the box. hence IMO the penalty should have been retaken. <br />so this was to the penalty. maybe a bit quirky but in the end most important thing was not to allow the goal. <br />i still have no idea why there was an intervention with the fenerbace goal? ozil was not offside, that was shown in the replay. but the other attacker was clearly obstructing the gk's line of vision and was half a meter offside? grumpy-refhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14191598528280895442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-52544233721810458802021-09-17T12:33:20.756+02:002021-09-17T12:33:20.756+02:00I think both decisions were wrong. First goal of F...I think both decisions were wrong. First goal of Fenerbahce was offside IMO. Because Fenerbahce player is in the line of vision.<br /><br />Second one, still i don't understand why ifk was decided. Fenerbahce player invaded before the kick but also Frankfurt player did. LOTG says if two teams make an offence penalty kick will be retaken.hugostiglitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14808038936534384167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-39465314985719494052021-09-17T11:32:01.011+02:002021-09-17T11:32:01.011+02:00Here are two pictures about the offside and penalt...Here are two pictures about the offside and penalty situation in Mariani's game. <br /><br />https://imgur.com/a/vnHMexYDominik M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02522047306193433856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-46409831170538392021-09-17T09:30:27.582+02:002021-09-17T09:30:27.582+02:00Totally agree. Full control. Good yellows. Clear s...Totally agree. Full control. Good yellows. Clear second yellow. Tight disallowed goal. Convincing performance again. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08817250108691781462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-83420022901479939452021-09-17T01:33:55.170+02:002021-09-17T01:33:55.170+02:00Excellent Bognar in Athen. Match was totally under...Excellent Bognar in Athen. Match was totally under control correct SYC in min91.Very good AR2 disallowed goal. Expect next appointment in UEL.VARsupporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15651878325688058846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-5102129012359818022021-09-17T00:28:34.952+02:002021-09-17T00:28:34.952+02:00How was the VAR intervention on penalty incident c...How was the VAR intervention on penalty incident correct?hugostiglitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13148120317896458138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-56377465505312879532021-09-17T00:20:36.038+02:002021-09-17T00:20:36.038+02:00IMO expected performance by Rumsas in front of Ros...IMO expected performance by Rumsas in front of Rosetti, players focused in playing, no big issues in match control and little to zero crucial incidents to assess. Only 3 cards (MON14 in 32' - reckless challenge, STU5 in 64' - SPA holding and STU8 in 90+3' - reckless challenge, I'd had liked to see a YC for STU10 in 1H for persistent infringement after he commited 4 fouls without even being a defensive player, only got a strong verbal warning after the last one)Quilavahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14796817199872356403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-58699687027668356272021-09-17T00:05:06.670+02:002021-09-17T00:05:06.670+02:00Mariani in Frankfurt today :-(
- Inconsistent fou...Mariani in Frankfurt today :-(<br /><br />- Inconsistent foul identification throughout the match<br />- Cards correct<br />- Correct (IMHO) offside decision on Fenerbahce goal, absolutely no idea why VAR deemed it correct<br />- WAY TOO long warnings about encroachment after somewhat acceptable, though also questionable, penalty. Psyched out the penalty taker; then VAR took the goal thereafter back (correctly).<br /><br />Not convinced by him today, though also not the very worst performance I've seen for these kind of matches with that kind of crowd.Questionmarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674232177358714366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-15061031439113907362021-09-17T00:02:22.458+02:002021-09-17T00:02:22.458+02:00Expected and supportable decision IMO, although a ...Expected and supportable decision IMO, although a play on would have had to be supported by VAR also. Forlanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01815264333573757666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-74200309792767938462021-09-16T23:33:41.009+02:002021-09-16T23:33:41.009+02:00Looks like the player is in the line of vision and...Looks like the player is in the line of vision and offside in these pictures.Philipp Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17241731897712166394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-16425231622865552842021-09-16T23:31:20.524+02:002021-09-16T23:31:20.524+02:00If it is given for tripping, no YC because of a ge...If it is given for tripping, no YC because of a genuine attempt would even be better by my understanding. A YC for leg offences should only be given if they are clearly intentional (in case of SPA & penalty), I think.Philipp Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17241731897712166394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3596681196436096141.post-76817840461919792752021-09-16T23:30:35.298+02:002021-09-16T23:30:35.298+02:00There was one Frankfurt player inside also. I can’...There was one Frankfurt player inside also. I can’t believe how Irrati missed it. hugostiglitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14808038936534384167noreply@blogger.com