Did anyone is watching Valeri in Milan derby ? I caught up now but it looked like the 1H has ended in a confrontation between Ibrahimovic and Lukaku. Any info about how 1H went or what happened ?
Very, very nervous 1H. Valeri is extremely lenient, but only consequence of this is more and more disrespect from the players. And in the end there was a confrontation that he wasnt able to stop at all. Maybe Italian colleagues will know better, but on TV it looked like he whistled the end one minute earlier.
Now SYC for Ibrahimovic, replay showed that it is maybe a bit harsh for reckless challenge IMO, SPA maybe ? In any case a call Valeri can be backed for, but his late whistle indicates that he was either unsure or advised by AR2
Great performance by Valeri yesterday in a extremely nervous match. YCs to Ibrahimovic and Lukaku are absolutely correct to cool down the atmosphere as well 2nd YC to Ibra for a reckless. Very good Valeri !! While players, as usual, gave a shameful example to people
Ibrahimovic's foul clearly isn't reckless IMO - just careless tripping. I also don't think, it's SPA, because there are enough defenders behind the ball - but that's not so clear and also depends on the general interpretation by the referee and in the competition.
Video clips from the match Inter-Milan https://t.me/REF_EX/106 https://t.me/REF_EX/99 https://t.me/REF_EX/101 https://t.me/REF_EX/102 https://t.me/REF_EX/104
Thank you! I enjoyed clip I3 - we can see Manuel Mejuto Gonzalez (presumably working as UEFA Match Delegate) getting back into old 4th official habits and managing the benches :)
More general question: I haven't looked through the whole thing yet, but I haven't seen any clips from women's matches. Presumably there's no reason for UEFA not to include women's matches, especially now that FIFA lists will not be differentiated by gender?
- A3, A15, A16 and A18 not even being 8... - good to see A21, A23 and A26 being mandatory RCs for UEFA - we can see in A3, A15, A16, A18, A22 and A24 that (no) intention plays a role in assessing the severity of offences nowadays, one can discuss about such a trend - A30, A31 - headbutts are up to referee's interpretation now (being classified as 8)... bad move to 'allow' such behaviours in my opinion
This is the second release of RAP with Mulppy, maybe you missed the previous one (2020:1). Follow what is reported on PDF files in your language, and yes, you have to pay.
Bad mistake by Sian Massey-Ellis in WBA v MCI. Wrong offside decision that she makes worse by putting the flag up early. Referee rightly allows play to continue and a goal is scored before blowing offside. VAR corrects and awards the goal. A bit messy because some West Brom players stopped when they saw the flag go up. Not often you see her make a mistake like that.
About Valeri, hopefully he will recover soon from this injury, but this was also the result of a very busy period for him, with many appointments for important games in recent times. I think that yesterday he was very good overall, but it happened again that he had to use VAR to assign a penalty. Unluckily he had something like 5 VAR reviews in three of his recent games (Sampdoria - Inter in serie A, Juventus - Napoli Supercoppa and yesterday) that is not a good signal. For most of the situations he can be excused because the incident, especially handballs in previous games, were difficult to spot, but for sure without VAR and the vital help from video officials, he couldn't have got all these big games in a row, because he had made various crucial mistakes. His recent form has been oustanding in all aspects, but with a minus regarding penalty area incidents. Regarding Ibrahimovic - Lukaku incident, today some news are reporting what they said (especially Ibrahimovic) each other, and one can't definitely accept that. I wouldn't like to report these words, personal insults involving parents. In my opinion both should have sent off with a straight red card, even more if Valeri heard what they were saying (and it seems so, but I can't be 100% sure) but the "modern refereeing", we know, wants to see always players on the pitch at all cost. This is something I don't like. Having said that, I'm sure that a younger different would have shown RC to both, and I would have appreciated that. However, honestly admitting that I didn't like Valeri when he issued only YCs, I have no problems in admitting he won the control of the game. It is a question of points of view. Regarding Ibrahimovic second YC I tend to agree with Philipp and I had some doubts about the reckless nature of the foul (more careless), but I must report that in Italy this decision was fully accepted... let's also say, after all the show made by the Swedish this was maybe something one could have expected (being off for second YC at the next foul in all cases). Last but not least: now with Valeri injury Rizzoli is in a big trouble for the next top games, a couple of big derbies are about to be played on next weeks, Juventus - Inter X2 in coppa Italia semifinals (first and second leg), another Milan's derby in serie A, Napoli - Juventus in serie A, Juventus - Napoli from the early matchdays to be played after an appeal, Juventus - Roma.... The situation of Italian FIFA referees is the following: Marco Di Bello in very good form but he already handled 4 or 5 top clashes, he can't do everything. Daniele Doveri got Inter - Juventus and he did well, an option for a couple of games, but he can't handle Lazio and Roma. Michael Fabbri: out from the big games by months since his extremely bad performances, it is difficult to see him again, but I must say he did finally well in the last two games he handled in A (stll not enough, though). Marco Guida: injured. Massimiliano Irrati: bad form. Fabio Maresca: bad form. Maurizio Mariani: a name that can be considered for important games, he did well recently in Milan - Atalanta, like Doveri, he can't handle Lazio and Roma. I expect him at least in a Napoli - Juventus, let's see. Davide Massa: bad form after Fiorentina - Inter in coppa Italia, but maybe differently from the other names he can recover for the next weeks. Daniele Orsato: OK, he can't handle everything :) and he is still out from Internazionale's games since 2018, when he did that mistake by missing a second YC... incredibile that he didn't handle again this team in about three years. Paolo Valeri: injured. The experienced, NO FIFA, options: Giacomelli and Calvarese, both with a derogation in this season, but not at the top as well. So, we will see the next choices... sorry if I was too long, maybe somebody will be interested in this read.
@Ref Paul: Chiffi is not ready for top clashes and I personally doubt he will ever be. La Penna is very young but might be ready. Still, he can’t handle Roma and Lazio.
@Chefren, two questions: what do you think about Pasqua? And why Mariani can’t handle Roma and Lazio even if he’s from Aprilia? Mazzoleni (from Bergamo) used to handle the teams from Milan
1/2 Maurizio Mariani belongs to Aprilia's AIA department (province of Latina) but basically he is from Rome, born in Rome and maybe he also lives there (I don't know this info exactly), for this reason he can't handle both teams from Rome, like La Penna, Valeri and Doveri. Also, despite of being in a different province, the city of Aprilia is indeed very close to Rome. Mazzoleni is from AIA Bergamo, the city of Atalanta, so he could handle Inter and Milan, teams from the city of Milan. The criterion is the different province. So Mazzoleni is not allowed with Atalanta. However the committee headed by Rizzoli is working to break some rules, for example, Fabrizio Pasqua, who is referee from another small refereeing department in Lazio's region (Tivoli) couldn't handle (at least on paper, but let's remember all these are just UNWRITTEN rules) Lazio and Roma, but he was appointed once as main referee for Lazio and very likely he will officiate Roma soon as well. The problem is that Italian fans don't want to accept that, otherwise all these unwritten rules would have been already cancelled. About Chiffi, at moment he is in my opinion in a good development but he needs time before being appointed for top games, as it was for Pairetto, his early seasons in serie A had been very poor with very controversial games, but recently he has managed to convince for a quite long time and I would say yes maybe in future he will officiate a few big games, but it must be very gradual. Still, not stuff for becoming FIFA referee if you ask me, but better than Pairetto (my opinion).
2/2 He has gained a certain personality that was missing in past, but time must pass before being sure. Pasqua in my opinion can't get more than what he is reaching at moment because he has very clear technical limits. I will not write all the mistakes he made recently, but it is clear (again, just my opinion) that he is not ready for big games. He looks always to be too much "relaxed" on the pitch, and doesn't seem very "sophisticated" like I would like to see a top referee. Too late for him for FIFA badge, but he absolutely never got close to that. La Penna was about to become FIFA referee from this year but then something happened, as I already wrote on the blog. Without opening a discussion on this chapter, I think indeed at moment he is the best NO FIFA referee with a chance to get something more. 1983 born, not so much young, but still with a hope to get badge in future. He started to handle big games in recent months and he did overall very good. But then Juventus - Fiorentina came, and this game was the first serie A nightmare for him. He distinguished himself for being excellent in his first and second season in serie A. So, a hope for the future. Regarding Abisso, I must say after a long observation of him, I'm rather disappointed than satisfied. He shows very often quite good performances, but then he also makes very evident mistakes and looks to be mentally far away from the game. Maybe you remember Fiorentina - Inter in 2019, a game that was terrible for him, with a mistake in front of VAR monitor and then the committe was extremely disappointed. The subsequent years were overall good for him, but committee appointed him only in low profile games, then at the beginning of this season he disappointed again in some games with evident mistake, and, most important, lack of consistency in his decisions. Very often, that's my point of view, it seems as he whistles and takes decisions based on what he sees without having memory of the background of the game, the value of each decision must be compared to what happened before. Also, very often he is missing in easy things like injury time and so on. I hope he can improve in future but for me it is rather NO FIFA stuff, despite of the fact that he is surely the second candidate after La Penna, at moment, no doubts. To complete the analysis with the remaining no FIFA referees of former CAN A Panel, Manganiello for sure has no chances to get more than regular low-profile games in serie A, and he can be already satisfied of that. Antonio Giua on the other hand has been the biggest disappointment for AIA in recent times, considering the expectations on him...
My fault, I forgot to talk about Piccinini, your question is welcome! Well, I agree with you, he can be an interesting name for the future, regarding the age he is 1983 born (same as La Penna), but still missing in experience, this season has been quite good so far with only one negative game, or, to say it better, wrong crucial decision, a missed penalty in Inter - Parma some months ago that led to many discussions. Apart from that, he has been always regular. I think in this second part of the season we will know more about his future, to have a chance for FIFA badge he should go very quick. And yes, he seems to be a very natural referee, with a good style, I hope he will confirm that. Meanwhile, Pairetto with a very challenging Coppa Italia semifinal, with some crucial decisions taken: a RC for DOGSO, at least supportable, and a correct penalty. In addition, a quite good card management. I must say this is his best season since he joined serie A referees panel. We will see his next games.
It's Super Sunday in the Eredivisie this weekend, with Feyenoord - PSV and AZ - Ajax. Dennis Higler and Bas Nijhuis in charge of these matches, not surprising.
Björn Kuipers with an important relegation match.
We won't see Makkelie, Blom or Kamphuis coming weeks, they left for FIFA Club World Cup today.
I can't find any reason for KNVB to dismiss the RC. Absolute SFP, never a VAR intervention.
Sorry, but you can't properly ensure the players' safety on the pitch with such RC forgiven. It's just a stonewall sending-off, in any championship or tournament.
OK, if we only look at the contact, it's SFP. But the white player plays the ball in a completely normal way - which is not dangerous itself. And the danger and the contact is only caused by the blue player. Therefore I actually don't like RCs for such situations. However I agree, that it's hardly a clear mistake and therefore no VAR stuff. In the RAP, I would expect a 7 or 8 on the UEFA scale.
IMO there are arguments for both sides, taking into consideration the dangerous contact (RC), but also the presence of the Ball (YC). In both ways, nothing the VAR should intervene for, in my view. In the end, I actually like the decision, as the contact is very hard and somehow endangers the health of the opponent.
With regards to Philipp's point re. RAP - this incident seems to be carbon copy of the CHEVAL incident (ref: Çakır), which they evaluated as a 'NINE', ie. a clear red card; this surprised me as like Philipp I expected 7/8 from UEFA.
Maybe it's just me - do you not think such incidents are much more common nowadays (there was one in SVKITA WC10 eg.), compared to years past?
Astonished by the opinions I read here. This a clearly and plainly wrong decision... Luckily the Dutch FA’s disciplinary board recognized that and dismissed the sanction. It’s typical of many bloggers here to assess only the contact, and not the context. In this case there’s only one to ‘blame’ for the contact and that’s, as Philipp stated more than justified, the blue player. The white player can do NOTHING to avoid this contact (except for staying the dressing rooms). A completely normal playing of the ball, while the blue player simply is too late. So CLEAR mistake to award the RC and VAR should have intervened here (what is confirmed by Dutch FA in the meantime). Understanding football, very important for top class referees
Marcello - in the past you asked whether I had too haughty an attitude in comments on the blog, perhaps it would be timely if you reflected the same question yourself.
I even largely agree with you, by the way, in assessing these types of situations.
Actually Mikael, I have to admit you’re correct. My astonishment got the better of me but I could have expressed differently. Good as well that you do recognize this same tone I was pointing to back then. I’ll better myself when commenting :)
Positively impressed by Luca Pairetto's performance in the Atalanta v Lazio game. Strong law-enforcer type of a referee.
In the first half, he issued four yellow cards for reckless challenges, no one can complain about any of those (most likely another one for reckless stamp was missed in the 32nd minute).
In the 53rd minute, Atalanta player was awarded a straight red card for DOGSO-outside the penalty area. Initially, I felt ambiguous about this call, but after looking at replay it has became clear that Pairetto (and maybe also Alberto Tegoni) was right in his evaluation. He / they made a great still frame of the incident, well done!
In the 61st minute, penalty kick for clumsy tackle was awarded in favour of Atalanta. Not much to say about it, just an ordinary careless trip.
Later on, several minor penalty appeals were rightly rejected by the ref but THE highlight of this high-class performance was the brilliantly suppressed mobbing in the 88th minute - great mimics and body language here, it reminded me a bit of Gianluca Rocchi's way of controlling the games.
To sum it up, a very good performance in a quite challenging game. Surely, the chances to become a trusted AIA and, who knows, maybe also FIFA-listed referee in the future have risen for Luca Pairetto this evening!
The story of Pairetto is quite funny. As a former Serie A Panel referee, he would be in his fifth year of top league. In the last seasons he was very controversial since his performances were often a nightmare, even in the easiest Serie A matches for which he used to be appinted. He used to make huge mistakes and had a very rough attitude towards players, that prevented him from handling top teams. For this reason, he regularly risked being demoted at the end of every season but the Committee always gave him another chance. Since last year, he started showing a completely different way of managing the players and appeared to be less nervous on the pitch. Fun fact, this instant change in his performance happened when he stopped keeping his head bald and he started growing hair. Incredibly, since then he's been showing very solid performances, and after months of clear improvement the Committee appointed him for today's big match, which is for sure Pairetto's most important appointment so far in his career. However, I don't believe he will ever get FIFA-listed, as he has obvious limitations. But if he continues like this, he will have the chance to become a trusted non-FIFA that can be appointed for any match, as it happened to experienced non-FIFA refs like Calvarese and Giacomelli in recent years.
Biggest match was played in Croatia today,beetwen Dinamo and Hajduk. Altough Dinamo won 3-1,after the match they issued a statement in which thy complained about performance of Mario Zebec and they called out entire refreeing organization and some other refs like Bebek,Strukan and others.
There are 3 decisions that are talking point here in Croatia;
1st potential penalty,he even went to VAR monitor to look at it himself:
The first penalty appeal is indeed a very tricky incident because we have both: exaggerated fall and impeding the progress of an opponent. Then, we have to assess who created the contact and what was the likelihood of reaching the ball for attacker.
The second penalty appeal is a borderline incident where either call would be equally acceptable, imo.
Finally, it's a mandatory red card for DOGSO. I can't find any argument in favour of a YC-only decision.
IMO very brave and supportable decisions. The 2nd situation looked the most suspicious to me, I think maybe a penalty would be a better call but it is not VAR material. Also anyone who watched the game could see that overall foul criteria was lifted really high, which is very important potentially for the 2nd situation.
The problem here is not Zebec, it is criteria that is too different on so-called small and big games. We discussed Pajač few days ago, who whistled for any kind of element and now we see style "I dont whistle if it is not 100% clear mistake not to whistle".
1.Totally unnecessary VAR intervention...It is not a clear mistake, there are no even mistake...blue player used slight contact by the opponents hand and fall down??? This is no penalty for me, play on...
2.No VAR intervention, no penalty, slight contact with the body or by the hand, play on ...
3. Would be RC if attacker had control of the ball, but goal keeper was on the ball first and it was to fast ball for attacker, only supportable decision is YC...
So for me all three decision supportable and correct.
1 - no penalty, the slight contact isn't enough. 2 - no penalty, normal amount of physical play, however, PK wouldn't be wrong as well. 3 - for me, the most tricky one. In the moment of the foul, the GK doesn't have the ball, but actually the attacker is also not in control of the ball. Both decisions would be acceptable.
To be honest, I have problem in understanding your reasoning about the lack of control of the ball in the 3rd scene.
The law states that we should consider: - distance between the offence and the goal, - general direction of the play, - likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball, - location and number of defenders.
In my opinion, the above situation ticks all the boxes as the ball literally falls at attacker's feet and at the moment of foul the goalkeeper is nowhere near the scene.
New INFO Referreing committee gave their opinion about the game. 1)blatant pk, clear mistake, correct VAR intervention to call for OFR 2)no foul, the intensity is not enough, good call and correct no VAR 3) YC is the correct decision because the player doesnt have the ball under his control and it is fast so he probably wouldnt have reached it.
Personally, I struggle to see how a refereeing person can defend a YC at 87'. Sure, there are SOME arguments that exist against a RC (otherwise, a RC would have been given) but in my opinion it our job in refereeing to determine which arguments are valid and not.
In that situation, I can't see any VALID reasons to defend a no RC call, besides that the attacker's lack of control makes the scene LOOK like less of a DOGSO (to non-refereeing people).
Of course I don't wish to impose my view on everybody, but for me it's a shame that the question nowadays is "can I avoid a RC" and not "is this a YC or RC?". In the recent RAP we learnt that not all headbutts are an automatic RC...
However, in Croatian context it is interesting that there was a DOGSO in another game earlier that day, and they also compared these 2 situations. More or less what you said, how it looks to non refereeing people is different. Situation here https://streamable.com/iqn4vr
Conclusion of PRESIDENT https://sportske.jutarnji.hr/sn/nogomet/hnl/sef-sudaca-nakon-optuzbi-iz-dinama-progovara-za-sn-po-meni-bio-je-taj-jedanaesterac-a-ostalo-sve-ok-15046478
Aside from the mistakes that have happened and will happen. In what normal organization (CROATIAN FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION- REFFERE DEPARTMENT is not) is it allowed for the OBSERVER of a match in which he has participated to publicly comment on the match and the referee's mistakes in the media? If it wasn't funny it would be sad. The first to be punished is him and the one who allowed it.
@FELIXAU: it is called "right of free speech" :-) however, I agree with you, that it was in this case very problematic. Maybe the observer himself should have waited with any interview until the statement of the referee department was published and then just refer to their statement...but as some observers, and i think this is in every country the case, tend to see themself as the "key to ultimate wisdom" they must sometimes feel the need to clarify how good they were back in the day and how much their "knowledge" is needed today. I as an active referee up to top 1% in my country always prefer the brilliant analysts rather than brilliant "veteran-showman" how still assess like back in their old top-division days in the 80s when the balls and shoes were made from leather and they played with sweepers and the assistant-referees were called "linesmen"...
@grumpy-ref : I completely agree with each of your claims Let’s put this in the context of football: I’m sure Pele couldn’t teach Messi anything about today’s football.
For me, the utterances about the situations are totally inappropriate and the whole handling with the sitaution is unacceptable. I'm sorry, but that's absolutely unprofessional.
At first, the comments of big refereeing people in Croatia are disgusting and not supporting their referees at all. Even more, they blame the referee for an acceptable call while the only clear mistake (imo) is defended if there was no 'likelihood' word in the LotG... This all shows the lack of professionality in Croatian Refereeing Department...
OT: KNVB announced that Franca Overtoom has been appointed by FIFA as assistant VAR during the Women's World Cup in 2023. They also say in the article that FIFA has only selected women for the 2023 World Cup. That means I guess that FIFA decided on list for Woman World Cup year earlier and that only female VARs will officiate at World Cup.
It seems that last week FIFA added VAR and AVARs to the candidates list for WWC 23. According to twitter, retired Canadian ref Chenard has been added as a VAR candidate, although she is not on the her country's FIFA VMO list.
Good VAR intervention in DOSGO situation. The VC RC is fully correct, and how you must deal with it, no room for tolerance (unlike e.g Orsato in United-PSG CL MD6).
My compliments to Marco di Bello, who is in my eyes the top performer in Serie A this season.
@Mikael Di Bello was looking only at the foul, missing the position of the ball so he couldn't make the DOGSO assessment.
It was a very dificult game for Di Bello and having watched it, I must say he was not at the best like other games. Extremely challenging context, but he suffered this game. Many protests from both teams from beginning, a quite difficult acceptance for the referee. There was a possible (in my opinion clear) penalty in first half, after a save by Fiorentina's keeper, but VAR didn't intervene maybe because offside (it wasn't shown, so it is not clear). Keeper deliberately tried to stop opponent by arm. Then, a very clear foul before 1-1 by Torino was missed, but this was not in the APP, a few before that, so VAR couldn't intervene. In addition, not a very strong approach by referee. The only good thing is the RC for violent conduct, and yes Mikaeal, if you are curious about that, indeed some peple are critizicing it because they say opponent made a quite clear simulation, pretending to have been hit with more force...
For me the DOGSO is not that clear, because I don't think it's clear that the attacker would get control of the ball without the ball. I think, he would hardly reach it before it bounces on the ground. Afterwards he could try some difficult volley kick - if he waits longer, the GK will be there. So the YC is supportable for me, so I wouldn't have expected a VAR intervention.
The headbutt isn't more intense than the examples in the RAP, where UEFA supported a YC. But surely also not wrong to give a RC - especially if it's useful for the game manageement.
IMO those are 2 quite clear RCs. The DOGSO scene is exactly where I like VAR interventions, taking into consideration that the referee missed the exact position.
I agree with Phillip S about the recent RAP (headbutt), I think UEFA want rather a YC than a RC for this action, with which I disagree. If the ref gave only a yellow for it, they don't want VAR to intervene. Also, I don't quite understand this head-to-head behaviour. I have never seen it in real life, two people doing that if they have a problem. Has this been a thing for a long time or has this behaviour 'risen to popularity' in football recently?
According to this article Frappart and Monzul attended the UEFA online course as well, but I can confirm that their names were not reported. I don't know more about the source of this site.
According to Haber, a Turkish newspaper, FIFA referee Cuneyt Cakir has been approached to move to Saudi Arabia and referee there.
The Saudi Arabian Football Federation has supposedly offered 44-year-old Cakir 500,000 dollars for one season. It is equivalent to 7-8 times of Cakir’s annual earnings in Turkey. It is believed that Cakir is currently thinking about the offer.
Good intervention in my eyes, it's a quite clear DOGSO for me as the other defender around was a bit away on the right, while the attacker was running to the net in the other side.
I wonder how this situation would be assessed in UEFA scale.
Good performance by Michael Oliver in Arsenal-Manchester United. Nice feeling for the game and sharp line in card management(especially SPA), referee wasn't really challenged in this game.
IMO Croatian referees committe lost their credibility within refereeing community. Just like at the begining of the last season second half, some clubs made public complaints on referee decisions on their matches, and only two matchdays have been played. And again, just like last season, we have the same reaction by committee - Mario Zebec and Igor Pajac (for their mistakes as referees, penalty decisions) as well as Marko Matoc who was VAR at Pajac's game are all suspended until further notice!?!?!?! Yes, mistakes happened, but to suspend three referees until further notice, each for one mistake on one match, is shameful.
1) RC for SFP. VAR intervention required for my taste. The player sees the opponent all the time, so kicking him in the head is excessive force. 2) Penalty + RC for DOGSO. Correct VAR intervention. Surprising that initially the referee didn't even book the player. 3) RC for SFP. VAR can defend himself by saying the replay didn't show the exact moment of contact, so no proof there. On the other hand, it's easy to deduce: studs-up tackle above the ground, the ball slightly played but then a serious contact above the ankle.
1) Penalty + YC. VAR intervention required for my feeling of how refereeing should look like but we know that with regard to pushing and charging VAR is not expected to intervene (why not?). 2) RC for SFP. Missing VAR intervention for me. Strong studs contact above the ankle.
15:30 FC Köln - Arminia Bielefeld Felix Zwayer - Rafael Foltyn, Christian Leicher - Robert Kampka [Benjamin Brand, Stefan Lupp]
18:00 VfL Wolfsburg - SC Freiburg Tobias Reichel* - Markus Sinn, Jan Seidel - Sven Waschitzki [Sascha Stegemann, Christian Fischer]
2nd Bundesliga Matchday 19
31st January
13:30 FC Heidenheim - FC St. Pauli Nicolas Winter - Patrick Schwengers, Roman Potemkin - Dominik Jolk [Bibiana Steinhaus, Oliver Lossius]
13:30 VfL Bochum - Karlsruher SC Christof Günsch - Florian Lechner, Julius Martenstein - Andreas Steffens [Günter Perl, Franz Bokop]
13:30 SV Sandhausen - FC Nürnberg Matthias Jöllenbeck - Justus Zorn, Tim Skorczyk - Tom Bauer [Patrick Alt, Dominik Schaal]
* Tobias Reichel (35 years old) is part of the "Refereeing perspective cadre". Those referees are appointed to 5 matches in the 1st division throughout the season in order to prove whether they are ready for an 'real' promotion or not.
BONUS - brilliant caution for dissent / simulation (injury) to Al Nassr player Petros, what a pleasing moment for any Saudi regular to see this player finally booked for his ridiculous antics in every game! https://streamable.com/q5z956
Overall: difference between this SC in difficulty and Makkelie's last year is chasmic; regardless, simply a very good performance by Orsato in this game; a pleasure to watch!
Thanks for the clips! To be honest I think Orsato should have seen by himself that it wasn't a penalty for handball, a replay shows that he had a perfect view on the incident. Maybe wrong call by AR1? Also, after the change of decision, it is interesting to see the "typical" Orsato managing the dropped ball restart of the game. He looks like one who is wondering: "What the hell I'm doing there? I'm wasting my time" A small hint of snobbery, if you allow me to say that, without a real negative meaning, he has always had that in his whole career, it was by far more visible many years ago. About the goal allowed after VAR, I think indeed VAR intervened, impossible to see for AR1, who was far from the line when ball entered, but can we sure that it was 100% goal? Let's remember that the ball must be entirely in, when ball is in the air and not on the ground it is always impossible to understand and one can be deceived. The YC for simulation is something excellent.
I really like the simulation call, very good. What I do want to point out: the positioning of Orsato at the penalty wasn't good. He started too late and wasn't in position to judge. Also, I don't like the way how he makes the 'VAR-signal.'
That chilled VAR signal is a clear example of what Chefren said about Orsato's attitude sometimes :) Like "Am I wasting time?". It is just part of his personality on the pitch but in reality he is extremely thankful for the opportunity he had to officiate such an unconventional match.
IMO 18' - Clearly correct, but he could have spotted that himself. 62' - I'm not sure if the ball was ENTIRELY in, but extremely difficult to assess. 82' - Correct decision. BONUS - Simply amazing, great management.
Terrible decision to cancel penalty in 31'. The ball has been slightly played but it seems they focused only on it, missing a clear contact caused by trailing leg... Amateurish
Careful! You'll become a target for those who hold the misguided idea that referee's are "untouchable". They falsely believe that referee's should never ever be talked about. That referee's should never be questioned. That referee's can do no wrong. That all decisions taken by referee's MUST always be viewed as "SUPPORTABLE". No matter how obviously wrong the decisions are. And suggesting that a referee be held accountable (suspended) is the ultimate form of insult you could ever suggest. Transparency and accountability are considered a curse words to them. Secrecy and confusion is the refereeing world that they chose to live in.
IMO 1) Simply wrong for me (and never a VAR intervention), the contact is with the trailing leg.
2) More difficult for me. Taking into consideration the bad camera angle, I can't come to a final conclusion, however, the decision seems okay to me.
One note: Every human can make mistakes. Maybe he was just a bit inattentive when reviewing für first scene. One cannot deny the fact that those mistakes shouldn't happen, but I don't see a reason to justify a "long suspenion", although our 'Sheriff' might has an other opinion.
I am going to post clips of better quality later on today but (I watched the game live) in the second scene it's attacker who kicks defender, not other way round.
And about suspension @Unknown speaks about, I can understand him. The referees have VAR to avoid big mistakes. And if you make a dead wrong call after watching replays it tells something about your ability to work with VAR. But if you make two dead wrong calls after watching replays, you should ask further questions that are not so nice for the referee involved.
My understanding is that Sampaio signals "goal". But then for some reason unknown to me cautions the offending player. VAR then intervenes and Sampaio is sent for an OFR. After the OFR, Sampaio disallows the goal, takes back the caution and gives a Red Card.
The worst thing for me is that Sampaio has an ideal view of the incicident. As you can clearly see in the video, Sampaio actually begins to raise his whistle. As if he was go to call what he had just seen happen. But nope, Sampaio "wusses" out and goes with the easy non problematic decision (goal). This IMO is one of the most egregious and unforgivable failures that I've ever seen. This is an unacceptable "miss" for a FIFA level referee. Imagine if VAR was not in use?
Sampaio only delays his whistle in penalising the offence for following VAR protocol correctly, to wait until the ball is the net, before penalising the Vasco da Gama player (you can see that in his gestures and mimics after blowing his whistle).
On a 'perception-expectation-recognition' level such a brutal attack like that is very rare and unexpected, so it's not surprising that he didn't really perceive how dangerous that foul was - especially given a player was in his way a bit.
It goes without saying, a correct VAR intervention to annul the caution for a dismissal; that is what it is there for! I hope the Vasco da Gama player receives a long ban for this extreme act of SFP.
Of course, it is much easier to use the 'hashtags' you did (please refrain from that in the future) than actually trying to analyse and work out WHY a referee has taken a certain decision.
With all my respect Michael but the situation was completely different - I watched the game live. The referee first signalled for a goal and pointed to the center. The players of Vasco were cellebrating for almost 1 minute. Then Sampaio saw the horrible marks on the face of the goalkeeper, got scared and disallowed the goal and showed a yellow card. After the VAR intervention he changed to red. My explanation - and it is comletely without any proofs - Sampaio saw the foul in the beginning but still decided to signal for a goal because I suppose that it is very important that a grand like Vasco does not get relegated. But when he saw the actual injury he got scared and decided that it is too much. In any case absolutely unaccetable actions by any referee not to mention the FIFA badge.
The "why" is something that Sampaio needs to reflect on during a very much deserved suspension. Because I don't care to pick apart Sampaio's brain to find out the "why". I'd prefer it, and it be easier if Sampaio did us all a favor and discussed his "why" openly and honestly.
Wisla Krakow - Piast Gliwice 2) Very interesting clip. The defender puts his leg in the way of the strike (=trip!?). A few milli-seconds later, he gets the ball. I think a PK is not wrong at all. How was the feedback from fans and media on that one?
The feedback from fans was that the referees 'robbed' Wisła Kraków which was winning 3-0 to loose this game 3-4. The opinion of majority here is that the first penalty was correct and was wrongly cancelled (trailing leg) and that the second penalty was wrong and was wrongly upheld (attacker kicks defending player). Both decisions against the home team that has many fans in Poland.
Our head of refereeing, Zbigniew Przesmycki perfectly described such type of incidents in the past:
"The methodology of making a call in cases of such type of incidents is following:
- if the ball moves in the opposite direction of a defending player who puts the leg between the ball and the leg of an attacking player, it's tripping by defending player;
- if the ball moves in the direction of a defending player who puts the leg between the ball and the leg of an attacking player, the referee should assess the incident as careless kick by the attacking player"
Here the ball clearly moves in the direction of players, so it's a careless kick by attacking player according to it.
1) YC for me, no contact that it worth to be classified as SFP. 2) Completely correct, no signifcant contact at the legs. 3) No PK for me. 4) Correct, but he could have spotted it himself. 5) In the end it's correct, but the referee should have given a penalty at first (without VAR) because this handball is quite significant.
1) Wrong call, even after watching it! Trailing leg with the decisive contact. 2) Again wrong for me, kick by the attacker.
Zbigniew Przesmycki confirmed that both Jakubik's decisions and first Stefański's intervention were wrong and should not have place in a match with VAR in use.
Pfeifer is a former 2.Bundesliga referee (18 matches 2018-2020), who specialized as VAR before the current season - or in other words was taken from the referees list. Lossius is a former 3.Liga referee (36 matches 2016-2020) and now a specialized AR in the 2.Bundesliga. Both only work as VAR/AVAR in 2.Bundesliga.
It's possible, that Rafalski will be promoted to 1.Bundesliga as AR - however her referee career in men's football has ended after last season.
I agree with David. The wording of the law supports a red card, but I don't think the spirit of the law really does. As I (subjectively) understand the spirit of the 2016 law change, it can be described as "eliminating the harsh punishment of a send-off for a defender who was *trying* to play fairly and honestly." This describes Luiz's foul, in my opinion.
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Today's games from World Cup 2010:
ReplyDeleteSlovakia - Italy, Howard Webb
Paraguay - New Zealand, Yūichi Nishimura
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DeleteAppointments - Germany:
ReplyDelete2nd Bundesliga Matchday 18
26th January
18:30 Aue - Würzburger Kickers
Timo Gerach - Patrick Kessel, Timo Klein - Jochen Gschwendtner
[Benedikt Kempkes, Marcel Gasteier]
20:30 Fortuna Düsseldorf - Hamburger SV
Benjamin Cortus - Justus Zorn, Tim Skorczyk - Steven Greif
[Robert Kampka, Henry Müller]
20:30 VfL Osnabrück - Greuther Fürth
Martin Thomsen- Robin Braun, Dominik Jolk - Julius Martenstein
[Lasse Koslowski, Jonas Weickenmeier]
20:30 Braunschweig - FC Heidenheim
Thorben Siewer - Mitja Stegemann, Fabian Maibaum - Fabian Porsch
[Florian Lechner, Frederick Assmuth]
3rd division Matchday 21
26th January
19:00 Kaiserslautern - Türkgücü München
Nicolas Winter - Roman Potemkin, Christina Biehl*
* UEFA AR Women
Problems for Maresca in Italy. Some guys really do not accept when they lose.
ReplyDeleteThank you Quilava and Chefren.
ReplyDeleteDid anyone is watching Valeri in Milan derby ? I caught up now but it looked like the 1H has ended in a confrontation between Ibrahimovic and Lukaku. Any info about how 1H went or what happened ?
ReplyDeleteVery, very nervous 1H. Valeri is extremely lenient, but only consequence of this is more and more disrespect from the players. And in the end there was a confrontation that he wasnt able to stop at all. Maybe Italian colleagues will know better, but on TV it looked like he whistled the end one minute earlier.
DeleteNow IMO wrong 2nd YC to Ibrahimovic. There was no treading and no SPA, so for me more an example of ordinary foul.
DeleteNow SYC for Ibrahimovic, replay showed that it is maybe a bit harsh for reckless challenge IMO, SPA maybe ?
DeleteIn any case a call Valeri can be backed for, but his late whistle indicates that he was either unsure or advised by AR2
Great performance by Valeri yesterday in a extremely nervous match. YCs to Ibrahimovic and Lukaku are absolutely correct to cool down the atmosphere as well 2nd YC to Ibra for a reckless. Very good Valeri !! While players, as usual, gave a shameful example to people
DeleteIbrahimovic's foul clearly isn't reckless IMO - just careless tripping. I also don't think, it's SPA, because there are enough defenders behind the ball - but that's not so clear and also depends on the general interpretation by the referee and in the competition.
DeleteVideo clips from the match Inter-Milan
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Correct decision to show RC to Ibrahimovic.
ReplyDeleteFoul was definitely worthy of a YC, very brave decision from Vakeri.
Kolarov kicked Ibrahimovic leg from behind and fell down. Therefore we cannot talk here about force and intensity. And it was not SPA.
DeleteNow a blatant pk missed by Valeri. Correct OFR and whistled afterwards.
ReplyDeleteIndeed good VAR intervention. Valeri should've spotted it, therefore he was far away. AR might have helped
DeleteUltimately, Valeri seems injured ! Daniele Chiffi will likely replace him if he cant continue
ReplyDeleteYes, sad scenes. It seems that Valeri is in pain and worried about his injury. Could be something serious.
DeleteThank you! I enjoyed clip I3 - we can see Manuel Mejuto Gonzalez (presumably working as UEFA Match Delegate) getting back into old 4th official habits and managing the benches :)
ReplyDeleteMore general question: I haven't looked through the whole thing yet, but I haven't seen any clips from women's matches. Presumably there's no reason for UEFA not to include women's matches, especially now that FIFA lists will not be differentiated by gender?
Manuel Enrique Mejuto González now works for Getafe, not a UEFA delegate.
DeleteMy views on "A" videos:
ReplyDelete- A3, A15, A16 and A18 not even being 8...
- good to see A21, A23 and A26 being mandatory RCs for UEFA
- we can see in A3, A15, A16, A18, A22 and A24 that (no) intention plays a role in assessing the severity of offences nowadays, one can discuss about such a trend
- A30, A31 - headbutts are up to referee's interpretation now (being classified as 8)... bad move to 'allow' such behaviours in my opinion
On the other hand, it's somehow comforting to see 'no VAR intervention' required if a referee shows a RC for above mentioned incidents.
DeleteThat UEFA RAP requires Mulppy. It's not free.
ReplyDeleteYou can go to specific folder (Resources -> Media -> Clips), select the bunch of clips you want to watch and open them in VLC Media Player.
DeleteIn the same way you can go to specific folder (Resources -> Media -> Images -> Decisions) and open the files. :)
This is the second release of RAP with Mulppy, maybe you missed the previous one (2020:1). Follow what is reported on PDF files in your language, and yes, you have to pay.
DeleteBad mistake by Sian Massey-Ellis in WBA v MCI. Wrong offside decision that she makes worse by putting the flag up early. Referee rightly allows play to continue and a goal is scored before blowing offside. VAR corrects and awards the goal. A bit messy because some West Brom players stopped when they saw the flag go up. Not often you see her make a mistake like that.
ReplyDeleteAbout Valeri, hopefully he will recover soon from this injury, but this was also the result of a very busy period for him, with many appointments for important games in recent times.
ReplyDeleteI think that yesterday he was very good overall, but it happened again that he had to use VAR to assign a penalty. Unluckily he had something like 5 VAR reviews in three of his recent games (Sampdoria - Inter in serie A, Juventus - Napoli Supercoppa and yesterday) that is not a good signal. For most of the situations he can be excused because the incident, especially handballs in previous games, were difficult to spot, but for sure without VAR and the vital help from video officials, he couldn't have got all these big games in a row, because he had made various crucial mistakes. His recent form has been oustanding in all aspects, but with a minus regarding penalty area incidents.
Regarding Ibrahimovic - Lukaku incident, today some news are reporting what they said (especially Ibrahimovic) each other, and one can't definitely accept that. I wouldn't like to report these words, personal insults involving parents.
In my opinion both should have sent off with a straight red card, even more if Valeri heard what they were saying (and it seems so, but I can't be 100% sure) but the "modern refereeing", we know, wants to see always players on the pitch at all cost. This is something I don't like.
Having said that, I'm sure that a younger different would have shown RC to both, and I would have appreciated that. However, honestly admitting that I didn't like Valeri when he issued only YCs, I have no problems in admitting he won the control of the game. It is a question of points of view.
Regarding Ibrahimovic second YC I tend to agree with Philipp and I had some doubts about the reckless nature of the foul (more careless), but I must report that in Italy this decision was fully accepted... let's also say, after all the show made by the Swedish this was maybe something one could have expected (being off for second YC at the next foul in all cases).
Last but not least: now with Valeri injury Rizzoli is in a big trouble for the next top games, a couple of big derbies are about to be played on next weeks, Juventus - Inter X2 in coppa Italia semifinals (first and second leg), another Milan's derby in serie A, Napoli - Juventus in serie A, Juventus - Napoli from the early matchdays to be played after an appeal, Juventus - Roma....
The situation of Italian FIFA referees is the following:
Marco Di Bello in very good form but he already handled 4 or 5 top clashes, he can't do everything.
Daniele Doveri got Inter - Juventus and he did well, an option for a couple of games, but he can't handle Lazio and Roma.
Michael Fabbri: out from the big games by months since his extremely bad performances, it is difficult to see him again, but I must say he did finally well in the last two games he handled in A (stll not enough, though).
Marco Guida: injured.
Massimiliano Irrati: bad form.
Fabio Maresca: bad form.
Maurizio Mariani: a name that can be considered for important games, he did well recently in Milan - Atalanta, like Doveri, he can't handle Lazio and Roma. I expect him at least in a Napoli - Juventus, let's see.
Davide Massa: bad form after Fiorentina - Inter in coppa Italia, but maybe differently from the other names he can recover for the next weeks.
Daniele Orsato: OK, he can't handle everything :) and he is still out from Internazionale's games since 2018, when he did that mistake by missing a second YC... incredibile that he didn't handle again this team in about three years.
Paolo Valeri: injured.
The experienced, NO FIFA, options: Giacomelli and Calvarese, both with a derogation in this season, but not at the top as well.
So, we will see the next choices... sorry if I was too long, maybe somebody will be interested in this read.
It’s always a pleasure to read you. Very interesting... Chiffi and La Penna, for you, could be considered for a big match ?
DeleteI suggest to this names Rosario Abbiso.
Delete@Ref Paul: Chiffi is not ready for top clashes and I personally doubt he will ever be. La Penna is very young but might be ready. Still, he can’t handle Roma and Lazio.
Delete@Chefren, two questions: what do you think about Pasqua? And why Mariani can’t handle Roma and Lazio even if he’s from Aprilia? Mazzoleni (from Bergamo) used to handle the teams from Milan
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DeleteMaurizio Mariani belongs to Aprilia's AIA department (province of Latina) but basically he is from Rome, born in Rome and maybe he also lives there (I don't know this info exactly), for this reason he can't handle both teams from Rome, like La Penna, Valeri and Doveri. Also, despite of being in a different province, the city of Aprilia is indeed very close to Rome.
Mazzoleni is from AIA Bergamo, the city of Atalanta, so he could handle Inter and Milan, teams from the city of Milan. The criterion is the different province. So Mazzoleni is not allowed with Atalanta.
However the committee headed by Rizzoli is working to break some rules, for example, Fabrizio Pasqua, who is referee from another small refereeing department in Lazio's region (Tivoli) couldn't handle (at least on paper, but let's remember all these are just UNWRITTEN rules) Lazio and Roma, but he was appointed once as main referee for Lazio and very likely he will officiate Roma soon as well. The problem is that Italian fans don't want to accept that, otherwise all these unwritten rules would have been already cancelled.
About Chiffi, at moment he is in my opinion in a good development but he needs time before being appointed for top games, as it was for Pairetto, his early seasons in serie A had been very poor with very controversial games, but recently he has managed to convince for a quite long time and I would say yes maybe in future he will officiate a few big games, but it must be very gradual. Still, not stuff for becoming FIFA referee if you ask me, but better than Pairetto (my opinion).
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DeleteHe has gained a certain personality that was missing in past, but time must pass before being sure.
Pasqua in my opinion can't get more than what he is reaching at moment because he has very clear technical limits. I will not write all the mistakes he made recently, but it is clear (again, just my opinion) that he is not ready for big games. He looks always to be too much "relaxed" on the pitch, and doesn't seem very "sophisticated" like I would like to see a top referee. Too late for him for FIFA badge, but he absolutely never got close to that.
La Penna was about to become FIFA referee from this year but then something happened, as I already wrote on the blog. Without opening a discussion on this chapter, I think indeed at moment he is the best NO FIFA referee with a chance to get something more. 1983 born, not so much young, but still with a hope to get badge in future. He started to handle big games in recent months and he did overall very good. But then Juventus - Fiorentina came, and this game was the first serie A nightmare for him. He distinguished himself for being excellent in his first and second season in serie A. So, a hope for the future.
Regarding Abisso, I must say after a long observation of him, I'm rather disappointed than satisfied. He shows very often quite good performances, but then he also makes very evident mistakes and looks to be mentally far away from the game. Maybe you remember Fiorentina - Inter in 2019, a game that was terrible for him, with a mistake in front of VAR monitor and then the committe was extremely disappointed. The subsequent years were overall good for him, but committee appointed him only in low profile games, then at the beginning of this season he disappointed again in some games with evident mistake, and, most important, lack of consistency in his decisions. Very often, that's my point of view, it seems as he whistles and takes decisions based on what he sees without having memory of the background of the game, the value of each decision must be compared to what happened before. Also, very often he is missing in easy things like injury time and so on. I hope he can improve in future but for me it is rather NO FIFA stuff, despite of the fact that he is surely the second candidate after La Penna, at moment, no doubts.
To complete the analysis with the remaining no FIFA referees of former CAN A Panel, Manganiello for sure has no chances to get more than regular low-profile games in serie A, and he can be already satisfied of that. Antonio Giua on the other hand has been the biggest disappointment for AIA in recent times, considering the expectations on him...
I almost feel bad for asking another question after such a long and highly interesting body of text from Chefren! :D
DeleteWhat about Marco Piccinini, quite a natural in my opinion, I even saw him as potential FIFA material (if not for being too old, IIRC)?
My fault, I forgot to talk about Piccinini, your question is welcome! Well, I agree with you, he can be an interesting name for the future, regarding the age he is 1983 born (same as La Penna), but still missing in experience, this season has been quite good so far with only one negative game, or, to say it better, wrong crucial decision, a missed penalty in Inter - Parma some months ago that led to many discussions. Apart from that, he has been always regular. I think in this second part of the season we will know more about his future, to have a chance for FIFA badge he should go very quick. And yes, he seems to be a very natural referee, with a good style, I hope he will confirm that.
DeleteMeanwhile, Pairetto with a very challenging Coppa Italia semifinal, with some crucial decisions taken: a RC for DOGSO, at least supportable, and a correct penalty. In addition, a quite good card management. I must say this is his best season since he joined serie A referees panel. We will see his next games.
DUTCH EREDIVISIE APPOINTMENTS
ReplyDeleteMatchday 20
Saturday, January 30th
16:30 Heracles Almelo - FC Groningen
Pol van Boekel - Rob van de Ven, Nicky Siebert - Martin Pérez
[Dennis Higler - Sander van Roekel]
18:45 FC Utrecht - PEC Zwolle
Jannick van der Laan - Christian Dobre, Erik Koopman - Robin Gansner
[Allard Lindhout - Michael Osseweijer]
20:00 Fortuna Sittard - VVV-Venlo
Serdar Gözübüyük - Joost van Zuilen, Rogier Honig - Sander van der Eijk
[Joey Kooij - Erwin Zeinstra]
21:00 Vitesse - RKC Waalwijk
Richard Martens - Richard Brondijk, Dave Goossens - Nick Smit
[Marc Nagtegaal - Don Frijn]
Sunday, January 31st
12:15 FC Twente - SC Heerenveen
Jeroen Manschot - Johan Balder, Mark Janssen - Marc Nagtegaal
[Laurens Gerrets - Richard Brondijk]
14:30 Feyenoord - PSV
Dennis Higler - Rens Bluemink, Roy de Nas - Edwin van de Graaf
[Rob Dieperink - Joost van Zuilen]
14:30 Willem II - FC Emmen
Björn Kuipers - Sander van Roekel, Erwin Zeinstra - Robin Hensgens
[Pol van Boekel - Kevin Bodde]
16:45 ADO Den Haag - Sparta Rotterdam
Erwin Blank - Jan de Vries, Yorick Weterings - Luca Cantineau
[Martin Pérez - Frans Ozinga]
16:45 AZ - Ajax
Bas Nijhuis - Erik Kleinjan, Richard Polman - Siemen Mulder
[Clay Ruperti - Rogier Honig]
It's Super Sunday in the Eredivisie this weekend, with Feyenoord - PSV and AZ - Ajax. Dennis Higler and Bas Nijhuis in charge of these matches, not surprising.
DeleteBjörn Kuipers with an important relegation match.
We won't see Makkelie, Blom or Kamphuis coming weeks, they left for FIFA Club World Cup today.
No real surprises in this weekend's appointments.
Interesting moment in Willem II - PEC Zwolle last friday.
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Red card given by referee Sander van der Eijk, but a lot of discussion. KNVB has dismissed the red card.
IMO clear red card. With this kind of contact there's a huge risk of injuring the opponent.
I can't find any reason for KNVB to dismiss the RC. Absolute SFP, never a VAR intervention.
DeleteSorry, but you can't properly ensure the players' safety on the pitch with such RC forgiven.
It's just a stonewall sending-off, in any championship or tournament.
OK, if we only look at the contact, it's SFP.
DeleteBut the white player plays the ball in a completely normal way - which is not dangerous itself. And the danger and the contact is only caused by the blue player.
Therefore I actually don't like RCs for such situations. However I agree, that it's hardly a clear mistake and therefore no VAR stuff.
In the RAP, I would expect a 7 or 8 on the UEFA scale.
IMO there are arguments for both sides, taking into consideration the dangerous contact (RC), but also the presence of the Ball (YC).
DeleteIn both ways, nothing the VAR should intervene for, in my view.
In the end, I actually like the decision, as the contact is very hard and somehow endangers the health of the opponent.
With regards to Philipp's point re. RAP - this incident seems to be carbon copy of the CHEVAL incident (ref: Çakır), which they evaluated as a 'NINE', ie. a clear red card; this surprised me as like Philipp I expected 7/8 from UEFA.
DeleteMaybe it's just me - do you not think such incidents are much more common nowadays (there was one in SVKITA WC10 eg.), compared to years past?
Astonished by the opinions I read here. This a clearly and plainly wrong decision... Luckily the Dutch FA’s disciplinary board recognized that and dismissed the sanction.
DeleteIt’s typical of many bloggers here to assess only the contact, and not the context. In this case there’s only one to ‘blame’ for the contact and that’s, as Philipp stated more than justified, the blue player. The white player can do NOTHING to avoid this contact (except for staying the dressing rooms). A completely normal playing of the ball, while the blue player simply is too late.
So CLEAR mistake to award the RC and VAR should have intervened here (what is confirmed by Dutch FA in the meantime).
Understanding football, very important for top class referees
Marcello - in the past you asked whether I had too haughty an attitude in comments on the blog, perhaps it would be timely if you reflected the same question yourself.
DeleteI even largely agree with you, by the way, in assessing these types of situations.
Actually Mikael, I have to admit you’re correct. My astonishment got the better of me but I could have expressed differently.
DeleteGood as well that you do recognize this same tone I was pointing to back then.
I’ll better myself when commenting :)
Appointments - Germany:
ReplyDelete2nd Bundesliga Matchday 18
27th January
18:30 SV Darmstadt - SV Sandhausen
Tobias Reichel - Asmir Osmanagic, Tobias Endriß - Patrick Glaser
[Florian Heft, Jonas Weickenmeier]
20:30 SC Paderborn - Holstein Kiel
Patrick Ittrich - Sascha Thielert, Patrick Hanslbauer - Konrad Oldhafer
[Benedikt Kempkes, Markus Wollenweber]
20:30 Karlsruher SC - Hannover
Martin Petersen - Robert Wessel, Lars Erbst - Johannes Huber
[Christian Dietz, Franz Bokop]
20:30 FC Nürnberg - Jahn Regensburg
Sven Waschitzki - Florian Exner, Bastian Börner - Lothar Ostheimer
[Lasse Koslowski, Henry Müller]
Greek Super League Matchday 19
27th January
18:30 Piräus - PAOK Thessaloniki
Felix Brych* - Mark Borsch**, Stefan Lupp*** - Aristotelis Diamantopoulos
[Bastian Dankert****, Vasileios Nikolakakis]
* UEFA Elite category
** UEFA VMO + AR
*** UEFA AR
**** UEFA Second category + VMO
Positively impressed by Luca Pairetto's performance in the Atalanta v Lazio game. Strong law-enforcer type of a referee.
ReplyDeleteIn the first half, he issued four yellow cards for reckless challenges, no one can complain about any of those (most likely another one for reckless stamp was missed in the 32nd minute).
In the 53rd minute, Atalanta player was awarded a straight red card for DOGSO-outside the penalty area. Initially, I felt ambiguous about this call, but after looking at replay it has became clear that Pairetto (and maybe also Alberto Tegoni) was right in his evaluation. He / they made a great still frame of the incident, well done!
In the 61st minute, penalty kick for clumsy tackle was awarded in favour of Atalanta. Not much to say about it, just an ordinary careless trip.
Later on, several minor penalty appeals were rightly rejected by the ref but THE highlight of this high-class performance was the brilliantly suppressed mobbing in the 88th minute - great mimics and body language here, it reminded me a bit of Gianluca Rocchi's way of controlling the games.
To sum it up, a very good performance in a quite challenging game. Surely, the chances to become a trusted AIA and, who knows, maybe also FIFA-listed referee in the future have risen for Luca Pairetto this evening!
The story of Pairetto is quite funny. As a former Serie A Panel referee, he would be in his fifth year of top league. In the last seasons he was very controversial since his performances were often a nightmare, even in the easiest Serie A matches for which he used to be appinted. He used to make huge mistakes and had a very rough attitude towards players, that prevented him from handling top teams. For this reason, he regularly risked being demoted at the end of every season but the Committee always gave him another chance. Since last year, he started showing a completely different way of managing the players and appeared to be less nervous on the pitch. Fun fact, this instant change in his performance happened when he stopped keeping his head bald and he started growing hair. Incredibly, since then he's been showing very solid performances, and after months of clear improvement the Committee appointed him for today's big match, which is for sure Pairetto's most important appointment so far in his career. However, I don't believe he will ever get FIFA-listed, as he has obvious limitations. But if he continues like this, he will have the chance to become a trusted non-FIFA that can be appointed for any match, as it happened to experienced non-FIFA refs like Calvarese and Giacomelli in recent years.
DeleteToday's games from World Cup 2010:
ReplyDeleteDenmark - Japan, Jerome Damon
Cameroon - Netherlands, Pablo Pozo
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Biggest match was played in Croatia today,beetwen Dinamo and Hajduk.
ReplyDeleteAltough Dinamo won 3-1,after the match they issued a statement in which thy complained about performance of Mario Zebec and they called out entire refreeing organization and some other refs like Bebek,Strukan and others.
There are 3 decisions that are talking point here in Croatia;
1st potential penalty,he even went to VAR monitor to look at it himself:
https://youtu.be/-aFhCVlDSaE?t=98
2nd potential penalty:
https://youtu.be/-aFhCVlDSaE?t=139
Potential RC missed?
https://youtu.be/-aFhCVlDSaE?t=426
In my opinion, both play-on calls are simply OK.
DeleteThe first penalty appeal is indeed a very tricky incident because we have both: exaggerated fall and impeding the progress of an opponent. Then, we have to assess who created the contact and what was the likelihood of reaching the ball for attacker.
The second penalty appeal is a borderline incident where either call would be equally acceptable, imo.
Finally, it's a mandatory red card for DOGSO. I can't find any argument in favour of a YC-only decision.
Why RC, GK was on ball!!!???
DeleteNo. In the moment of foul, GK has no chance to play the ball. The likelihood of attacker getting the ball is 100%. See the still frames below:
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https://pasteboard.co/JLDZ3nX.png
IMO very brave and supportable decisions. The 2nd situation looked the most suspicious to me, I think maybe a penalty would be a better call but it is not VAR material. Also anyone who watched the game could see that overall foul criteria was lifted really high, which is very important potentially for the 2nd situation.
DeleteThe problem here is not Zebec, it is criteria that is too different on so-called small and big games. We discussed Pajač few days ago, who whistled for any kind of element and now we see style "I dont whistle if it is not 100% clear mistake not to whistle".
1.Totally unnecessary VAR intervention...It is not a clear mistake, there are no even mistake...blue player used slight contact by the opponents hand and fall down??? This is no penalty for me, play on...
Delete2.No VAR intervention, no penalty, slight contact with the body or by the hand, play on ...
3. Would be RC if attacker had control of the ball, but goal keeper was on the ball first and it was to fast ball for attacker, only supportable decision is YC...
So for me all three decision supportable and correct.
IMO
Delete1 - no penalty, the slight contact isn't enough.
2 - no penalty, normal amount of physical play, however, PK wouldn't be wrong as well.
3 - for me, the most tricky one. In the moment of the foul, the GK doesn't have the ball, but actually the attacker is also not in control of the ball. Both decisions would be acceptable.
To be honest, I have problem in understanding your reasoning about the lack of control of the ball in the 3rd scene.
DeleteThe law states that we should consider:
- distance between the offence and the goal,
- general direction of the play,
- likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball,
- location and number of defenders.
In my opinion, the above situation ticks all the boxes as the ball literally falls at attacker's feet and at the moment of foul the goalkeeper is nowhere near the scene.
So still a crystal clear RC for DOGSO for me.
New INFO
DeleteReferreing committee gave their opinion about the game.
1)blatant pk, clear mistake, correct VAR intervention to call for OFR
2)no foul, the intensity is not enough, good call and correct no VAR
3) YC is the correct decision because the player doesnt have the ball under his control and it is fast so he probably wouldnt have reached it.
Thanks for reporting that, Forlan.
DeletePersonally, I struggle to see how a refereeing person can defend a YC at 87'. Sure, there are SOME arguments that exist against a RC (otherwise, a RC would have been given) but in my opinion it our job in refereeing to determine which arguments are valid and not.
In that situation, I can't see any VALID reasons to defend a no RC call, besides that the attacker's lack of control makes the scene LOOK like less of a DOGSO (to non-refereeing people).
Of course I don't wish to impose my view on everybody, but for me it's a shame that the question nowadays is "can I avoid a RC" and not "is this a YC or RC?". In the recent RAP we learnt that not all headbutts are an automatic RC...
I agree with you.
DeleteHowever, in Croatian context it is interesting that there was a DOGSO in another game earlier that day, and they also compared these 2 situations. More or less what you said, how it looks to non refereeing people is different. Situation here https://streamable.com/iqn4vr
NEWS FROM CROATIA
DeleteConclusion of OBSERVER Dinamo - Hajduk who commented decisions on TV!!!
https://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/kontrolor-sudjenja-zebec-je-u-derbiju-dva-puta-tesko-pogrijesio-u-istoj-situaciji/2250345.aspx
Conclusion of PRESIDENT
https://sportske.jutarnji.hr/sn/nogomet/hnl/sef-sudaca-nakon-optuzbi-iz-dinama-progovara-za-sn-po-meni-bio-je-taj-jedanaesterac-a-ostalo-sve-ok-15046478
I think Zebec and Pajač "out" for long time.
Aside from the mistakes that have happened and will happen. In what normal organization (CROATIAN FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION- REFFERE DEPARTMENT is not) is it allowed for the OBSERVER of a match in which he has participated to publicly comment on the match and the referee's mistakes in the media? If it wasn't funny it would be sad. The first to be punished is him and the one who allowed it.
Delete@FELIXAU: it is called "right of free speech" :-) however, I agree with you, that it was in this case very problematic. Maybe the observer himself should have waited with any interview until the statement of the referee department was published and then just refer to their statement...but as some observers, and i think this is in every country the case, tend to see themself as the "key to ultimate wisdom" they must sometimes feel the need to clarify how good they were back in the day and how much their "knowledge" is needed today. I as an active referee up to top 1% in my country always prefer the brilliant analysts rather than brilliant "veteran-showman" how still assess like back in their old top-division days in the 80s when the balls and shoes were made from leather and they played with sweepers and the assistant-referees were called "linesmen"...
Delete@grumpy-ref : I completely agree with each of your claims
DeleteLet’s put this in the context of football: I’m sure Pele couldn’t teach Messi anything about today’s football.
For me, the utterances about the situations are totally inappropriate and the whole handling with the sitaution is unacceptable.
DeleteI'm sorry, but that's absolutely unprofessional.
At first, the comments of big refereeing people in Croatia are disgusting and not supporting their referees at all. Even more, they blame the referee for an acceptable call while the only clear mistake (imo) is defended if there was no 'likelihood' word in the LotG... This all shows the lack of professionality in Croatian Refereeing Department...
DeleteInteresting situation from Saudi Arabia: https://t.me/Therefereepro/2562
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/r7rxzk
Two-handed push while the ball in play. Penalty.
DeleteIs there VAR in this match?
DeleteThere is VAR in every Saudi Pro League game. Btw, was there a VAR intervention, The Referee?
DeleteNo intervention.
DeleteIMO penalty, two-handed push.
DeleteI'm not too sure, if VAR should intervene (clear and obvious?)
Italy Serie B
ReplyDeleteMatchweek 20
Friday 29th January
21:00 LR Vicenza - Venezia
Gianluca Aureliano - Matteo Bottegoni - Christian Rossi - Lorenzo Illuzzi
Saturday 30th January
14:00 Ascoli - Brescia
Giacomo Camplone - Thomas Ruggieri - Marco Della Croce - Francesco Meraviglia
14:00 Empoli - Frosinone
Davide Ghersini - Antonio Vono - Davide Moro - Alessandro Prontera
14:00 Pordenone - Lecce
Davide Massa - Luca Mondin - Oreste Muto - Luca Massimi
14:00 Virtus Entella - Cosenza
Giovanni Ayroldi - Salvatore Affatato - Davide Miele - Riccardo Ros
16:00 Pisa - Reggiana
Daniele Paterna - Pietro Dei Giudici - Marco Trinchieri - Ivan Robilotta
Sunday 31st January
15:00 Chievo Verona - Pescara
Alberto Santoro - Mattia Scarpa - Giuseppe Macaddino - Manuel Volpi
16:00 Spal - Monza
Livio Marinelli - Damiano Margani - Gianluca Sechi - Antonio Rapuano
21:00 Cittadella - Cremonese
Lorenzo Maggioni - Daisuke Emanuele Yoshikawa - Gabriele Nuzzi- Daniel Amabile
Monday 1st February
21:00 Reggina - Salernitana
Rosario Abbiso - Enrico Caliari - Alessandro Cipressa - Ivano Pezzuto
England Premier League
ReplyDeleteMatchweek 21
Saturday 30th January
13:30 Everton - Newcastle
Stuart Attwell - Constantine Hatzidakis - Eddie Smart - Craig Pawson
[Kevin Friend - Simon Beck]
16:00 Crystal Palace - Wolves
Simon Hooper - Scott Ledger - Derek Eaton - Steve Martin
[Andy Madley - Adrian Holmes]
16:00 Manchester City - Sheffield United
David Coote - Lee Betts - Nick Hopton - Jonathan Moss
[Martin Atkinson - Peter Kirkup]
16:00 West Bromwich - Fulham
Anthony Taylor - Gary Beswick - Adam Nunn - Chris Kavanagh
[Peter Bankes - James Mainwaring]
18:30 Arsenal - Manchester United
Michael Oliver - Stuart Burt - Simon Bennett - Robert Jones
[Paul Tierney - Andy Halliday]
21:00 Southampton - Aston Villa
Lee Mason - Mark Scholes - Simon Long - Tim Robinson
[Mike Dean - Andy Halliday]
Sunday 31th January
13:00 Chelsea - Burnley
Graham Scott - Darren Cann - Tim Wood - Robert Jones
[Michael Oliver - Andy Halliday]
15:00 Leicester - Leeds
Chris Kavanagh - Dan Cook - Sian Massey-Ellis - Anthony Taylor
[Mike Dean - Ian Hussin]
17:30 West Ham - Liverpool
Jonathan Moss - Marc Perry - Dan Robathan - Andy Madley
[Craig Pawson - Gary Beswick]
20:15 Brighton - Tottenham
Peter Bankes - Neil Davies - James Mainwaring - Simon Hooper
[David Coote - Nick Hopton]
Highlights of Luca Pairetto's performance in Atalanta - Lazio
ReplyDeletehttps://ok.ru/video/2650291374700
Italy Serie A
ReplyDeleteMatchweek 20
Friday 29th January
20:45 Torino - Fiorentina
Marco Di Bello - Stefano Liberti - Michele Lombardi - Simone Sozza
[Luca Banti - Damiano Di Iorio]
Saturday 30th January
15:00 Bologna - Milan
Daniele Doveri - Sergio Ranghetti - Dario Cecconi - Francesco Fourneau
[Luca Pairetto - Alessandro Giallatini]
18:00 Sampdoria - Juventus
Michael Fabbri - Stefano Alassio - Alessio Tolfo - Fabio Maresca
[Paolo Valeri - Alberto Tegoni]
20:45 Inter - Benevento
Fabrizio Pasqua - Salvatore Longo - Edoardo Raspollini - Matteo Gariglio
[Gianpaolo Calvarese - Mauro Galetto]
Sunday 31th January
12:30 Spezia - Udinese
Antonio Di Martino - Orlando Pagnotta - Vittorio Di Gioia - Matteo Marchetti
[Eugenio Abbattista - Fabiano Preti]
15:00 Atalanta - Lazio
Daniele Chiffi - Filippo Meli - Mauro Vivenzi - Juan Luca Sacchi
[Gianluca Manganiello - Giorgio Peretti]
15:00 Cagliari - Sassuolo
Maurizio Mariani - Pasquale De Meo - Alessio Berti - Valerio Marini
[Paolo Mazzoleni - Ciro Carbone]
15:00 Crotone - Genoa
Piero Giacomelli - Andrea Tardino - Marcello Rossi - Federico Dionisi
[Luigi Nasca - Rodolfo Di Vuolo]
18:00 Napoli - Parma
Federico La Penna - Giovanni Baccini - Vito Mastrodonato - Marco Serra
[Aleandro Di Paolo - Stefano Del Giovane]
20:45 Roma - Hellas Verona
Marco Piccinini - Giacomo Paganessi - Tarcisio Villa - Antonio Giua
[Marco Guida - Alessandro Lo Cicero]
Wow! Suprisingly, the big appointment goes to Daniele Chiffi! Good luck!
DeleteHe is absolutely ready for such a game in my opinion. So, good luck
DeleteAppointments - Germany:
ReplyDelete2nd Bundesliga Matchday 18
28th January
20:30 FC St. Pauli - VfL Bochum
Harm Osmers - Robert Kempter, Nikolai Kimmeyer - Patrick Schwengers
[Florian Heft, Katrin Rafalski]
Today's games from World Cup 2010:
ReplyDeletePortugal - Brazil, Benito Archundia
DPR Korea - Côte d'Ivoire, Alberto Undiano Mallenco
wc10refs.blogspot.com
Daniele Orsato will handle the Saudi Supercup on Saturday at 18:15 CET:
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/SaudiSuperCup/status/1353069572740444161
The officials will be :
DeleteOrsato ( Schio )
Passeri ( Gubbio )
Costanzo (Orvieto )
Var : Irrati ( Pistoia)
Avar : Bindoni ( Venice)
Highlights of Felix Brych's performance in Olympiakós - PAOK:
ReplyDeletehttps://ok.ru/video/2653045983852
ARGENTINA APPOINTMENTS
ReplyDeleteSegundo Ascenso – Final Etapa Eliminatoria
Domingo 31 de enero
21.10 Estudiantes (Río IV)-Platense, en Newell’s (TV).
Árbitro: Néstor Pitana
Asistente 1: Pablo González
Asistente 2: Carretero, Gerardo Carretero
4to: Fernando Echenique
5to Asist: Sebastián Raineri
Torneo Federal
Final por el segundo ascenso
Domingo 31 de enero
17.15 Deportivo Maipú - Deportivo Madryn
Árbitro: Pablo Echavarría
Asistente 1: Diego Martin
Asistente 2: Mariano Viale
Cuarto árbitro: Fabricio Llobet
Appointments Germany
ReplyDeleteBundesliga Matchday 19
29th January
20:30 VfB Stuttgart - 1.FSV Mainz 05
Frank Willenborg - Arne Aarnink, Norbert Grudzinski - Christian Leicher
[Daniel Schlager, Holger Henschel]
2th Bundesliga Matchday 19
29th January
18:30 Greuther Fürth - Erzgebirge Aue
Robert Schröder - Arno Blos, Daniel Riehl, Tobias Fritsch
[Marco Fritz, Asmir Osmanagic]
18:30 Würzburger Kickers - Fortuna Düsseldorf
Markus Schmidt - Frederick Assmuth, Manuel Bergmann - Lars Erbst
[Christian Dingert, Marcel Pelgrim]
Appointments - Germany:
ReplyDeleteBundesliga Matchday 19
29th January
20:30 VfB Stuttgart - FSV Mainz
Frank Willenborg - Arne Aarnink, Norbert Grudzinski - Christian Leicher
[Daniel Schlager, Holger Henschel]
2nd Bundesliga Matchday 19
29th January
18:30 Greuther Fürth - Erzgebirge Aue
Robert Schröder - Arno Blos, Daniel Riehl - Tobias Fritsch
[Marco Fritz, Asmir Osmanagic]
18:30 Würzburger Kickers - Düsseldorf
Markus Schmidt - Frederick Assmuth, Manuel Bergmann - Lars Erbst
[Christian Dingert, Marcel Pelgrim]
Situation with dogso from the game Atalanta-Lazio
ReplyDeletehttps://t.me/REF_EX/114
Today's games from World Cup 2010:
ReplyDeleteChile - Spain, Marco Rodríguez
Switzerland - Honduras, Héctor Baldassi
wc10refs.blogspot.com
(Knockout stage posts to start on Sunday)
OT: KNVB announced that Franca Overtoom has been appointed by FIFA as assistant VAR during the Women's World Cup in 2023. They also say in the article that FIFA has only selected women for the 2023 World Cup.
ReplyDeleteThat means I guess that FIFA decided on list for Woman World Cup year earlier and that only female VARs will officiate at World Cup.
FIFA recently released the list of candidates, so she must an AVAR candidate. It cannot be a final list more than 2 years before the competition!
DeleteIt seems that last week FIFA added VAR and AVARs to the candidates list for WWC 23. According to twitter, retired Canadian ref Chenard has been added as a VAR candidate, although she is not on the her country's FIFA VMO list.
DeleteTwo straight red cards in Torino v Fiorentina (Marco Di Bello)
ReplyDeleteDOGSO:
https://streamja.com/GZ7o7
Headbutt:
https://streamja.com/Ky75q
That is how to deal with DOGSOs and VCs! Refreshing calls.
DeleteGood VAR intervention in DOSGO situation.
DeleteThe VC RC is fully correct, and how you must deal with it, no room for tolerance (unlike e.g Orsato in United-PSG CL MD6).
My compliments to Marco di Bello, who is in my eyes the top performer in Serie A this season.
Oh, didn't realise VAR had to intervene in the DOGSO case... (you should always watch the full clip before commenting! :))
DeleteIn that case, correct call in the end of course but Di Bello should have given a RC by himself to be honest.
@Mikael Di Bello was looking only at the foul, missing the position of the ball so he couldn't make the DOGSO assessment.
DeleteIt was a very dificult game for Di Bello and having watched it, I must say he was not at the best like other games. Extremely challenging context, but he suffered this game. Many protests from both teams from beginning, a quite difficult acceptance for the referee. There was a possible (in my opinion clear) penalty in first half, after a save by Fiorentina's keeper, but VAR didn't intervene maybe because offside (it wasn't shown, so it is not clear). Keeper deliberately tried to stop opponent by arm. Then, a very clear foul before 1-1 by Torino was missed, but this was not in the APP, a few before that, so VAR couldn't intervene. In addition, not a very strong approach by referee.
The only good thing is the RC for violent conduct, and yes Mikaeal, if you are curious about that, indeed some peple are critizicing it because they say opponent made a quite clear simulation, pretending to have been hit with more force...
For me the DOGSO is not that clear, because I don't think it's clear that the attacker would get control of the ball without the ball. I think, he would hardly reach it before it bounces on the ground. Afterwards he could try some difficult volley kick - if he waits longer, the GK will be there.
DeleteSo the YC is supportable for me, so I wouldn't have expected a VAR intervention.
The headbutt isn't more intense than the examples in the RAP, where UEFA supported a YC. But surely also not wrong to give a RC - especially if it's useful for the game manageement.
IMO those are 2 quite clear RCs. The DOGSO scene is exactly where I like VAR interventions, taking into consideration that the referee missed the exact position.
DeleteI agree with Phillip S about the recent RAP (headbutt), I think UEFA want rather a YC than a RC for this action, with which I disagree. If the ref gave only a yellow for it, they don't want VAR to intervene.
DeleteAlso, I don't quite understand this head-to-head behaviour. I have never seen it in real life, two people doing that if they have a problem. Has this been a thing for a long time or has this behaviour 'risen to popularity' in football recently?
Appointments - Germany:
ReplyDeleteBundesliga Matchday 19
30th January
15:30 Bayern München - TSG Hoffenheim
Benjamin Cortus - Christian Dietz, Eduard Beitinger - Robert Hartmann
[Bibiana Steinhaus, Christian Bandurski]
15:30 Borussia Dortmund - FC Augsburg
Patrick Ittrich - Sascha Thielert, Marcel Unger - Guido Winkmann
[Benjamin Brand, Marcel Pelgrim]
15:30 Eintracht Frankfurt - Hertha BSC
Florian Badstübner - Markus Schüller, Thomas Stein - Martin Thomsen
[Christian Dingert, Stefan Lupp]
15:30 Union Berlin - Mönchengladbach
Bastian Dankert - René Rohde, Markus Häcker - Alexander Sather
[Marco Fritz, Dominik Schaal]
15:30 Werder Bremen - FC Schalke
Sören Storks - Thorben Siewer, Philipp Hüwe - Mark Borsch
[Tobias Welz, Mike Pickel]
18:30 RB Leipzig - Bayer Leverkusen
Harm Osmers - Robert Kempter, Thomas Gorniak - Lasse Koslowski
[Günter Perl, Christian Gittelmann]
2nd Bundesliga Matchday 19
30th January
13:00 Hamburger SV - SC Paderborn
Daniel Siebert - Benedikt Kempkes, Marcel Schütz - Robin Braun
[Pascal Müller, Asmir Osmanagic]
13:00 Holstein Kiel - Braunschweig
Tobias Stieler - Robert Wessel, Konrad Oldhafer - Max Burda
[Patrick Alt, Eric Müller]
13:00 Jahn Regensburg - SV Darmstadt
Florian Heft - Lukas Benen, Fynn Kohn - Jochen Gschwendtner
[Daniel Schlager, Franz Bokop]
Turkey's future FIFA ref Küçük, after his long injury on the field again.
ReplyDeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeletehttps://iusport.com/art/116930/la-colegiada-stephanie-frappart-candidata-para-pitar-en-la-euro-masculina?utm_source=dlvr.it
ReplyDeleteAccording to this article Frappart and Monzul attended the UEFA online course as well, but I can confirm that their names were not reported. I don't know more about the source of this site.
According to Haber, a Turkish newspaper, FIFA referee Cuneyt Cakir has been approached to move to Saudi Arabia and referee there.
ReplyDeleteThe Saudi Arabian Football Federation has supposedly offered 44-year-old Cakir 500,000 dollars for one season. It is equivalent to 7-8 times of Cakir’s annual earnings in Turkey. It is believed that Cakir is currently thinking about the offer.
Cakir would remain a UEFA referee.
https://refereeingworld.blogspot.com/2021/01/referee-cakir-was-offered-bomb-transfer.html?fbclid=IwAR2vpJQhwOCwyT2uP3syI7Z148eQCwgPRKXBuG_tTQb0pXHvT-k9F1V9dEI
SPA vs DOGSO situation in Real Madrid - Levante (referee David Medié Jiménez, VAR Guillermo Cuadra Fernández)
ReplyDeleteOriginal decision by Medié was YC, upgraded to RC after OFR.
https://streamable.com/a6uglm
Good intervention in my eyes, it's a quite clear DOGSO for me as the other defender around was a bit away on the right, while the attacker was running to the net in the other side.
DeleteI wonder how this situation would be assessed in UEFA scale.
IMO clearly correct.
DeleteGood performance by Michael Oliver in Arsenal-Manchester United. Nice feeling for the game and sharp line in card management(especially SPA), referee wasn't really challenged in this game.
ReplyDeleteIMO Croatian referees committe lost their credibility within refereeing community. Just like at the begining of the last season second half, some clubs made public complaints on referee decisions on their matches, and only two matchdays have been played. And again, just like last season, we have the same reaction by committee - Mario Zebec and Igor Pajac (for their mistakes as referees, penalty decisions) as well as Marko Matoc who was VAR at Pajac's game are all suspended until further notice!?!?!?! Yes, mistakes happened, but to suspend three referees until further notice, each for one mistake on one match, is shameful.
ReplyDeleteAs I said last season after Pajac and Jovic suspension: Populist and disgraceful.
DeleteNicky Siebert from netherlands, AR, today refereed his last match in carreer and at the end he cried. Thank you mr. Siebert!
ReplyDeletehttps://netherlandsnewslive.com/video-assistant-referee-nicky-siebert-in-tears-after-his-last-match-football/75903/
Always touching moments. Good luck to Nicky in whatever way he is going to choose!
Deletefull intervieuw:
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQOlMAnhTC0
Some situation from Poland. Your thoughts?
ReplyDeleteZagłębie Lubin v Wisła Płock
Referee: Daniel Stefański - UEFA 1st Cat
VAR: Tomasz Musiał - UEFA 3rd Cat
1) reckless or SFP?
https://streamable.com/ruf4uy
2) penalty for charging and RC for DOGSO (after OFR)
https://streamable.com/5bn7gn
3) reckless or SFP?
https://streamable.com/etk97v
Raków Częstochowa v Pogoń Szczecin
Referee: Jarosław Przybył - non-FIFA
VAR: Bartosz Frankowski - UEFA 1st Cat
1) penalty incident - pushing
https://streamable.com/kprw0w
2) reckless or SFP?
https://streamable.com/29kut0
ZAG-WPL
Delete1) I'm okay with a YC, I think it would be a 7-8 in UEFA RAP
2) Correct intervention, don't get why OFR took so long, maybe they were trying to identify the offender because he wasn't even booked initially (?)
3) Honestly I can't assess it properly with that replay because some players' legs obstaculize the vision >.<
RCZ-POG
1) Missed PK for pushing, mandatory VAR intervention missed IMO.
2) Not sure if VAR material but looks more SFP than reckless.
IMO
Delete1) Borderline for me, but I'm okay with the YC.
2) Clearly correct, could have been more quickly.
3) Looks like a hard tackle, but I think YC is okay.
1) I would prefer a PK here, but I think correct non-intervention.
2) Rather SFP, but supportable YC.
IMO
Delete1) RC for SFP. VAR intervention required for my taste. The player sees the opponent all the time, so kicking him in the head is excessive force.
2) Penalty + RC for DOGSO. Correct VAR intervention. Surprising that initially the referee didn't even book the player.
3) RC for SFP. VAR can defend himself by saying the replay didn't show the exact moment of contact, so no proof there. On the other hand, it's easy to deduce: studs-up tackle above the ground, the ball slightly played but then a serious contact above the ankle.
1) Penalty + YC. VAR intervention required for my feeling of how refereeing should look like but we know that with regard to pushing and charging VAR is not expected to intervene (why not?).
2) RC for SFP. Missing VAR intervention for me. Strong studs contact above the ankle.
Appointments - Germany:
ReplyDeleteBundesliga Matchday 19
31st January
15:30 FC Köln - Arminia Bielefeld
Felix Zwayer - Rafael Foltyn, Christian Leicher - Robert Kampka
[Benjamin Brand, Stefan Lupp]
18:00 VfL Wolfsburg - SC Freiburg
Tobias Reichel* - Markus Sinn, Jan Seidel - Sven Waschitzki
[Sascha Stegemann, Christian Fischer]
2nd Bundesliga Matchday 19
31st January
13:30 FC Heidenheim - FC St. Pauli
Nicolas Winter - Patrick Schwengers, Roman Potemkin - Dominik Jolk
[Bibiana Steinhaus, Oliver Lossius]
13:30 VfL Bochum - Karlsruher SC
Christof Günsch - Florian Lechner, Julius Martenstein - Andreas Steffens
[Günter Perl, Franz Bokop]
13:30 SV Sandhausen - FC Nürnberg
Matthias Jöllenbeck - Justus Zorn, Tim Skorczyk - Tom Bauer
[Patrick Alt, Dominik Schaal]
* Tobias Reichel (35 years old) is part of the "Refereeing perspective cadre". Those referees are appointed to 5 matches in the 1st division throughout the season in order to prove whether they are ready for an 'real' promotion or not.
Saudi SuperCup, Al Hilal - Al Nassr
ReplyDeleteDaniele Orsato [VAR: Massimiliano Irrati]
18' - Phantom penalty (handling) overturned after OFR
https://streamable.com/m95io0
62' - Goal given (over the line) after VAR intervention(?)
https://streamable.com/1to3n7
82' - Goal correctly allowed (potential handling)?
https://streamable.com/4rrj8f
BONUS - brilliant caution for dissent / simulation (injury) to Al Nassr player Petros, what a pleasing moment for any Saudi regular to see this player finally booked for his ridiculous antics in every game!
https://streamable.com/q5z956
Overall: difference between this SC in difficulty and Makkelie's last year is chasmic; regardless, simply a very good performance by Orsato in this game; a pleasure to watch!
Bindoni was AVAR
DeleteThanks - apologies to Mr Bindoni! Some poor calls by the ARs, especially by Matteo Passeri as AR2.
Delete@82: Not immediately before the goal and otherwise not a punishable handball
DeleteThanks for the clips!
DeleteTo be honest I think Orsato should have seen by himself that it wasn't a penalty for handball, a replay shows that he had a perfect view on the incident. Maybe wrong call by AR1?
Also, after the change of decision, it is interesting to see the "typical" Orsato managing the dropped ball restart of the game. He looks like one who is wondering: "What the hell I'm doing there? I'm wasting my time" A small hint of snobbery, if you allow me to say that, without a real negative meaning, he has always had that in his whole career, it was by far more visible many years ago.
About the goal allowed after VAR, I think indeed VAR intervened, impossible to see for AR1, who was far from the line when ball entered, but can we sure that it was 100% goal? Let's remember that the ball must be entirely in, when ball is in the air and not on the ground it is always impossible to understand and one can be deceived.
The YC for simulation is something excellent.
I really like the simulation call, very good. What I do want to point out: the positioning of Orsato at the penalty wasn't good. He started too late and wasn't in position to judge. Also, I don't like the way how he makes the 'VAR-signal.'
DeleteThat chilled VAR signal is a clear example of what Chefren said about Orsato's attitude sometimes :) Like "Am I wasting time?". It is just part of his personality on the pitch but in reality he is extremely thankful for the opportunity he had to officiate such an unconventional match.
DeleteVery good Daniele Orsato. Bravo!
DeleteIMO
Delete18' - Clearly correct, but he could have spotted that himself.
62' - I'm not sure if the ball was ENTIRELY in, but extremely difficult to assess.
82' - Correct decision.
BONUS - Simply amazing, great management.
PORTUGAL - NOS League
ReplyDeleteMatchweek 16
Saturday 30th January
16:30 CD Nacional-FC Famalicão
Tiago Martins - Pedro Mota, André Campos - Anzhony Rodrigues
[Rui Oliveira, João Bessa Silva]
19:00 CD Tondela-SC Farense
Luís Godinho - Rui Teixeira, Valter Rufo - João Casegas
[Rui Costa, Nuno Manso]
21:30 SC Portimonense-Boavista FC
Vítor Ferreira - Paulo Miranda, Valdemar Maia - Duarte Oliveira
[Bruno Esteves, Rui Cidade]
Sunday, 31st January
16:30 Vitória SC-Marítimo M.
Fábio Veríssimo - Bruno Rodrigues, Sérgio Jesus - João Gonçalves
[Gustavo Correia, Inácio Pereira]
Monday, 1st February
18:00 CD Santa Clara-Belenenses SAD
Hugo Silva - Nuno Pereira, Nélson Pereira - Flávio Lima
[Luís Ferreira, Luciano Maia]
20:00 FC Porto-Rio Ave FC
Nuno Almeida - Bruno Jesus, Pedro Felisberto - Iancu Vasilica
[Tiago Martins, Pedro Mota]
20:45 Moreirense FC-SC Braga
João Pinheiro - Tiago Costa, Nuno Eiras - Fábio Silva
[António Nobre, Pedro Martins]
# “El Classico” #
22:30 Sporting CP-SL Benfica
Artur Soares Dias - Rui Licínio, Paulo Soares - Vítor Ferreira
[Hugo Miguel, Ricardo Santos]
Tuesday, 2nd February
21:15 Gil Vicente FC-FC Paços de Ferreira
Fábio Melo - Carlos Campos, Bruno Trindade - David Silva
[Iancu Vasilica, Álvaro Mesquita]
Today's games from World Cup 2010:
ReplyDeleteUruguay - Korea Republic, Wolfgang Stark
United States - Ghana, Viktor Kassai
wc10refs.blogspot.com
Polish Ekstraklasa
ReplyDeleteWisła Krakow - Piast Gliwice
Ref: Krzysztof Jakubik (FIFA 2nd)
VAR: Daniel Stefanski (FIFA 1st)
Two incidents in penalty area with OFR.
31' https://streamable.com/5trlc2
84' https://streamable.com/yt4z6g
Terrible decision to cancel penalty in 31'. The ball has been slightly played but it seems they focused only on it, missing a clear contact caused by trailing leg... Amateurish
DeleteScandalous! Two huge mistakes AFTER WATCHING REPLAYS! Unbelievable. Should be a long suspension for Jakubik.
DeleteCareful! You'll become a target for those who hold the misguided idea that referee's are "untouchable". They falsely believe that referee's should never ever be talked about. That referee's should never be questioned. That referee's can do no wrong. That all decisions taken by referee's MUST always be viewed as "SUPPORTABLE". No matter how obviously wrong the decisions are. And suggesting that a referee be held accountable (suspended) is the ultimate form of insult you could ever suggest. Transparency and accountability are considered a curse words to them. Secrecy and confusion is the refereeing world that they chose to live in.
DeleteIMO
Delete1) Simply wrong for me (and never a VAR intervention), the contact is with the trailing leg.
2) More difficult for me. Taking into consideration the bad camera angle, I can't come to a final conclusion, however, the decision seems okay to me.
One note: Every human can make mistakes. Maybe he was just a bit inattentive when reviewing für first scene. One cannot deny the fact that those mistakes shouldn't happen, but I don't see a reason to justify a "long suspenion", although our 'Sheriff' might has an other opinion.
I am going to post clips of better quality later on today but (I watched the game live) in the second scene it's attacker who kicks defender, not other way round.
DeleteAnd about suspension @Unknown speaks about, I can understand him. The referees have VAR to avoid big mistakes. And if you make a dead wrong call after watching replays it tells something about your ability to work with VAR. But if you make two dead wrong calls after watching replays, you should ask further questions that are not so nice for the referee involved.
The contribution by "Modern < By the Book" is an example of the type of comments as a blog we should think about deleting in my opinion.
DeleteThere is absolutely no attempt to analyse the situations at hand, simply only to provoke other readers with polemicist statements.
The difference between his comment and the one by "Unknown", is very evident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SimZ9U8ay8
ReplyDelete#Speechless #ModernRefereeing???
Has he given YC? After OFR?
DeleteMy understanding is that Sampaio signals "goal". But then for some reason unknown to me cautions the offending player. VAR then intervenes and Sampaio is sent for an OFR. After the OFR, Sampaio disallows the goal, takes back the caution and gives a Red Card.
DeleteThe worst thing for me is that Sampaio has an ideal view of the incicident. As you can clearly see in the video, Sampaio actually begins to raise his whistle. As if he was go to call what he had just seen happen. But nope, Sampaio "wusses" out and goes with the easy non problematic decision (goal). This IMO is one of the most egregious and unforgivable failures that I've ever seen. This is an unacceptable "miss" for a FIFA level referee.
Imagine if VAR was not in use?
Thanks for the clip.
DeleteSampaio only delays his whistle in penalising the offence for following VAR protocol correctly, to wait until the ball is the net, before penalising the Vasco da Gama player (you can see that in his gestures and mimics after blowing his whistle).
On a 'perception-expectation-recognition' level such a brutal attack like that is very rare and unexpected, so it's not surprising that he didn't really perceive how dangerous that foul was - especially given a player was in his way a bit.
It goes without saying, a correct VAR intervention to annul the caution for a dismissal; that is what it is there for! I hope the Vasco da Gama player receives a long ban for this extreme act of SFP.
Of course, it is much easier to use the 'hashtags' you did (please refrain from that in the future) than actually trying to analyse and work out WHY a referee has taken a certain decision.
With all my respect Michael but the situation was completely different - I watched the game live. The referee first signalled for a goal and pointed to the center. The players of Vasco were cellebrating for almost 1 minute. Then Sampaio saw the horrible marks on the face of the goalkeeper, got scared and disallowed the goal and showed a yellow card. After the VAR intervention he changed to red.
DeleteMy explanation - and it is comletely without any proofs - Sampaio saw the foul in the beginning but still decided to signal for a goal because I suppose that it is very important that a grand like Vasco does not get relegated. But when he saw the actual injury he got scared and decided that it is too much. In any case absolutely unaccetable actions by any referee not to mention the FIFA badge.
Thanks for that reporting that Anonymous - indeed, I was wrong with what I wrote!
DeleteThe "why" is something that Sampaio needs to reflect on during a very much deserved suspension. Because I don't care to pick apart Sampaio's brain to find out the "why". I'd prefer it, and it be easier if Sampaio did us all a favor and discussed his "why" openly and honestly.
DeleteAnother bunch of clips from Poland :)
ReplyDeleteGórnik Zabrze - Lech Poznań
Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski - non-FIFA
VAR: Szymon Marciniak - UEFA Elite Cat
1) reckless or SFP?
https://streamable.com/ilfoh1
2) penalty cancelled after OFR
https://streamable.com/s72zfn
3) penalty incident: alleged kick
https://streamable.com/ubggav
4) penalty cancelled after OFR
https://streamable.com/0yv49x
5) penalty incident: alleged handball, offside after VAR intervention
https://streamable.com/dv73ca
Wisła Kraków - Piast Gliwice
Referee: Krzysztof Jakubik - UEFA 2nd Cat
VAR: Daniel Stefański - UEFA 1st Cat
1) penalty cancelled after OFR
https://streamable.com/vsmz7e
2) penalty upheld after OFR
https://streamable.com/kr1ofz
Wisla Krakow - Piast Gliwice
Delete2) Very interesting clip. The defender puts his leg in the way of the strike (=trip!?). A few milli-seconds later, he gets the ball. I think a PK is not wrong at all. How was the feedback from fans and media on that one?
The feedback from fans was that the referees 'robbed' Wisła Kraków which was winning 3-0 to loose this game 3-4. The opinion of majority here is that the first penalty was correct and was wrongly cancelled (trailing leg) and that the second penalty was wrong and was wrongly upheld (attacker kicks defending player). Both decisions against the home team that has many fans in Poland.
DeleteOur head of refereeing, Zbigniew Przesmycki perfectly described such type of incidents in the past:
Delete"The methodology of making a call in cases of such type of incidents is following:
- if the ball moves in the opposite direction of a defending player who puts the leg between the ball and the leg of an attacking player, it's tripping by defending player;
- if the ball moves in the direction of a defending player who puts the leg between the ball and the leg of an attacking player, the referee should assess the incident as careless kick by the attacking player"
Here the ball clearly moves in the direction of players, so it's a careless kick by attacking player according to it.
IMO
Delete1) YC for me, no contact that it worth to be classified as SFP.
2) Completely correct, no signifcant contact at the legs.
3) No PK for me.
4) Correct, but he could have spotted it himself.
5) In the end it's correct, but the referee should have given a penalty at first (without VAR) because this handball is quite significant.
1) Wrong call, even after watching it! Trailing leg with the decisive contact.
2) Again wrong for me, kick by the attacker.
Zbigniew Przesmycki confirmed that both Jakubik's decisions and first Stefański's intervention were wrong and should not have place in a match with VAR in use.
DeleteGreat chance for Fabbri to recover!!!!
ReplyDeleteEngland Premier League
ReplyDeleteMatchweek 22
Tuesday 2nd February
19:00 Sheffield - West Bromwich
Paul Tierney - Lee Betts - Harry Lennard - Darren Bond
[Peter Bankes - Neil Davies]
19:00 Wolves - Arsenal
Craig Pawson - Daniel Cook - Peter Kirkup - David Coote
[Jonathan Moss - Tim Wood]
21:15 Manchester United - Southampton
Mike Dean - Ian Hussin - Darren Cann - Lee Mason
[Graham Scott - Stephen Child]
21:15 Newcastle - Crystal Palace
Darren England - Gary Beswick - Nick Hopton - Martin Atkinson
[Andre Marriner - Sian Massey-Ellis]
Wednesday 3rd February
19:00 Burnley - Manchester City
Martin Atkinson - Constantine Hatzidakis - Eddie Smart - Anthony Taylor
[Stuart Attwell - Marc Perry]
19:00 Fulham - Leicester
Robert Jones - Mark Scholes - Dan Robathan - Keith Stroud
[Lee Mason - Lee Betts]
20:30 Leeds - Everton
Michael Oliver - Stuart Burt - Simon Bennett - Darren England
[Chris Kavanagh - Daniel Cook]
21:15 Aston Villa - West Ham
Andy Madley - Richard West - James Mainwaring - Michael Salisbury
[Jarred Gillett - Stephen Child]
21:15 Liverpool - Brighton
Kevin Friend - Simon Beck - Adrian Holmes - Paul Tierney
[Simon Hooper - Derek Eaton]
Thursday 4th February
21:00 Tottenham - Chelsea
Andre Marriner - Scott Ledger - Simon Long - Andy Madley
[Stuart Attwell - Adam Nunn]
Italy Serie B
ReplyDeleteMatchweek 16 recovery match
Tuesday 2nd February
14:00 Pisa - Frosinone
Lorenzo Illuzzi - Luigi Rossi - Gamal Mokhtar - Francesco Meraviglia
Appointments - Germany:
ReplyDelete2nd Bundesliga Matchday 19
1st February
20:30 Hannover 96 - VfL Osnabrück
Manuel Gräfe - Guido Kleve, Steven Greif - Katrin Rafalski
[Johann Pfeifer, Oliver Lossius]
Who are the VARs? Never heard those names!
DeleteAlso, Rafalski next woman in Bundesliga after Steinhaus?
Pfeifer is a former 2.Bundesliga referee (18 matches 2018-2020), who specialized as VAR before the current season - or in other words was taken from the referees list.
DeleteLossius is a former 3.Liga referee (36 matches 2016-2020) and now a specialized AR in the 2.Bundesliga.
Both only work as VAR/AVAR in 2.Bundesliga.
It's possible, that Rafalski will be promoted to 1.Bundesliga as AR - however her referee career in men's football has ended after last season.
Today's games from World Cup 2010:
ReplyDeleteGermany - England, Jorge Larrionda
Argentina - Mexico, Roberto Rosetti
wc10refs.blogspot.com
The black day of WC2010 refereeing!
DeleteThere was no need for you to waste your time with this match day Mikael, everyone already knows all that matters about it! XD
DeleteI actually found the descriptions refreshing. Well done!
DeleteI’m only joking of course ;) thanks for your great contribution Mikael
Deletehttps://streamable.com/raaebw
ReplyDeleteDavid Luiz red card for DOGSO. What do you guys think? Should this be downgraded or not?
Video is not available
DeleteHere is a mirror: https://streamable.com/fp4yh3
DeleteRC with the laws at the moment. But I always felt it is a bit harsh.
I agree with David. The wording of the law supports a red card, but I don't think the spirit of the law really does. As I (subjectively) understand the spirit of the 2016 law change, it can be described as "eliminating the harsh punishment of a send-off for a defender who was *trying* to play fairly and honestly." This describes Luiz's foul, in my opinion.
DeleteInteresting situation with dogso from the ManU game:
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https://t.me/REF_EX/127
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