Tuesday, 25 October 2022

Champions League 2022/23 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 5 (I)

2022-23 UEFA Champions League Group Stage Matchday 5, referees in charge of Tuesday's games. 


25 October 2022

18:45 CET - Salzburg (Stadion Salzburg)
FC Salzburg (AUT) - Chelsea (ENG)  | Group E
Referee: Sandro Schärer (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Stéphane de Almeida (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Bekim Zogaj (SUI)
Fourth Official: Alessandro Dudic (SUI)
Video Assistant Referee: Fedayi San (SUI)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Lucilio Batista (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Björn Fecker (GER)

18:45 CET - Seville (Estadio Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán)
Sevilla (ESP) - FC Copenhagen (DEN) | Group G
Referee: Benoît Bastien (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Hicham Zakrani (FRA) 
Assistant Referee 2: Aurélien Berthomieu (FRA)
Fourth Official: Jérémie Pignard (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Lamprini Dimitrou (GRE)  

21:00  CET - Zagreb (Stadion Maksimir)
Dinamo Zagreb (CRO) - AC Milan (ITA) | Group E 
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL) 
Assistant Referee 1: Paweł Sokolnicki (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Fourth Official: Tomasz Musiał (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alain Hamer (LUX) 
UEFA Delegate: Paul Lyon (GIB)

21:00 CET - Glasgow (Celtic Park) 
Celtic (SCO) - Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) | Group F
Referee: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Joost van Zuilen (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Johan Balder (NED)
Fourth Official: Jeroen Manschot (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Markus Nobs (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Arturs Gaidels (LVA)

21:00 CET - Leipzig (RB Arena) 
Leipzig (GER) - Real Madrid (ESP) | Group F
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA) 
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Antonov (MDA) 
UEFA Delegate: Rotem Kamer (ISR) 

21:00 CET - Dortmund (BVB Stadion)
Borussia Dortmund (GER) - Manchester City (ENG) | Group G 
Referee: Davide Massa (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Filippo Meli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefano Alassio (ITA) 
Fourth Official: Rosario Abisso (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA) 
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro Hernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alexandru Deaconu (ROU) 
UEFA Delegate: Bakar Jordania (GEO)

21:00 CET - Paris (Parc des Princes)
Paris Saint Germain (FRA) - Maccabi Haifa (ISR) | Group H
Referee: Felix Zwayer (GER) 
Assistant Referee 1: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Marco Achmüller (GER)
Fourth Official: Sven Jablonski (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Vitor Melo Pereira (POR) 
UEFA Delegate: Loukas Siotropos (GRE) 

21:00 CET - Lisbon (Estádio do Sport Lisboa e Benfica)
Benfica (POR) - Juventus (ITA) | Group H
Referee: Srdjan Jovanović (SRB)
Assistant Referee 1: Uroš Stojković (SRB)
Assistant Referee 2: Milan Mihajlović (SRB)
Fourth Official: Momčilo Marković (SRB)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Hansson (SWE) 
UEFA Delegate: Petr Fousek (CZE)
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83 comments:

  1. Chefren23 October 2022 at 09:36

    After Dynamo Kyiv in Europa League, another Ukrainian team for Gözübüyük, he will officiate Shakhtar Donetsk in Glasgow against Celtic. Last chance for Scottish side, they must win. It is a good game on paper but it depends on what Leipzig will do against Real Madrid. Overall, the management of this group, as I already wrote, has been very clear. With Real Madrid favorite team for first place, committee has appointed mostly referees at their debut in early matchdays and low Elite. The Dutch back after a long absence and without previous game in this stage this season is another signal of that. Group in which very big names are not needed, according to committee, we will see the choice in Leipzig.

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    1. Philipp S23 October 2022 at 10:29

      The Orsato appointment now contradicts your last statement, but indeed the first WC referee in that group. BTW, Orsato with German teams in all three CL matches this season.
      Gözübüyük and Bastien returning to CL in less sonorous, but must-win games for both sides each.
      As expected, a big name in Zagreb. Good appointment also for Schärer in a similarly important game in the same group.
      Massa in sonorous, but less decisive game makes sense.
      Last chance games for Juventus and Haifa with two medium Elite referees also looks logical.
      UEFA doesn't seem to care about different nationalities in first and second leg with Orsato, Massa and Zwayer being repetitions in that regard.

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    2. Chefren23 October 2022 at 10:44

      Yes, the rest of appointments contradicts me! Absolutely, and that's good because I'm glad to be surprised for some reasons. Surprised, but not at all.. too many similar choices in this group stage and the group of trusted Elite referees becomes more and more narrow...
      About the game in Leipzig so we can assume that committee thinks the German team has the destinity in its hands. If they don't win, it is less important for them the score of the other game (with Gozubuyuk).
      A very good signal is the one in Lisbon with Jovanovic, but that's also because, one must be honest, the Italian team has almost no chances to qualify. Nevertheless, I like this choice because this means full trust in him.
      In Zagreb we expected Turpin because no other options, but Marciniak is a very similar choice, we didn't think about him just because Barcelona - Inter on previous round. This further appointment for him is an outstanding signal. Let's remember that such a referee never officiated Europa League final. At moment, given how he is performing, he could even go directly to CL fina, but the fact that he didn't get big assignments in past season in my opinion has some particular reasons we can't know about. He absolutely deserved that.
      Zwayer gets PSG at home, that's because committee doesn'0t want to take any risk. The assessment of previous performance is ruled out from this choice, but one must also add that the mistakes he made were not resulting in influencing final score, nobody talked about referee and for committee that's enough. Also in this case, German referee for the previous game in Israel...
      Massa gets always assignments a step below big matches, a you said, this game in Dortmund is very important for Borussia, they must win, otherwise last chance for the other teams in the group. Another Italian referee for them and indeed as you said, this is how committee is working this season.
      Overall, I'm not satisfied by such appointments, I always comment on the choices but rarely give my opinion, this time I just want to say that the management is extremely disappointing and what Mikael and Euro Soccer Refere write very often about how committee works, it's true... too many worries of mistakes, no technical development for other referees, quite often random debuts, but the main focus is always on being afraid of teams complaints...

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    3. Fortify 23 October 2022 at 14:31

      IMO expected appointment. Although I’m totally agree with what you wrote today Chefren and what have written ESR and especially Mikael who has been constantly criticized about how committee has managed referees we have to remind that we are in the edge of WC in Qatar and for sure they want to protect big names who will be there, also UEFA is still in court with big clubs for the European Super League project and of course they don’t want to have more troubles with them. Is this the right way to resolve those 2 cases !! I don’t have a right answer for that. Only the future knows if committee will continue with this kind of management or they will change their behavior with big clubs.

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  2. Alfie4623 October 2022 at 11:49

    I'm surprised we have not Cat 1 in this set of appointments, meaning that no chances were taken.
    Judging by VAR appointments, tomorrow we should expect to see Spaniards (most likely in group A - Martinez and Manzano)

    Perhaps Turpin for group B is possible too. Grinfeld may well get another run-out here.

    For sure we will see an Englishman tomorrow - my guess would be Taylor in group C.
    I can only see a potential Cat 1 or lower Elite on the Inter game - Kruzliak perhaps.

    Group D is wide open and really tough to judge - Perhaps Meiler for one game and Makkelie for another (even though DM would now have 4 CL games in a row)

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  3. Eric van Marwijk23 October 2022 at 15:49

    For my taste a Spanish referee this time possible in the Ajax-Liverpool match, the same doesn't count for Napoli, who had already Spanish referees in their matches against Rangers, and Liverpool, a 3th Spanish in 5 matches... just sound ridicilous!
    The whole problem is..... as i stated before.... to many big countries in teams, and from the same big countries to many referees, uefa should search for way more alternating countries where referees come from! but off course... it's all about thje f..cking money! they don't care about football!

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    1. Alfie4623 October 2022 at 17:47

      I agree - the issue as you said is very limited options for the Spanish referees, so some repetition is inevitable!

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  4. Chefren23 October 2022 at 19:15

    Predictions for Wednesday's games, based also on the VAR appointments released today.

    Ajax - Liverpool Gil Manzano (ESP)
    Napoli - Rangers Rumsas (LTU)
    Club Brugge - Porto Vincic (SVN)
    Atlético Madrid - Bayer Leverkusen Letexier (FRA)
    Inter - Viktoria Plzen Oliver (ENG)
    Barcelona - Bayern Turpin (FRA)
    Eintracht Frankfurt - Olympique Marseille Makkelie (NED)
    Tottenham - Sporting Kovacs (ROU)

    Big doubts about Tottenham and especially Atlético Madrid games, if we follow the policy by committee in appointing trusted referees, we can't find names for such clashes. Letexier would be a bit forced after his last CL game, but I think we will see him again, the same for Kovacs, not at his best in Leverkusen, but still with a big trust.
    Also, in this group I followed the same logic used by committee in appointing Orsato for the game involving the second placed team, considered more important than the other one, so for this reason we could see Letexier in Madrid, but yes, with Atlético it's totally different and you can expect an Elite. Only match in which a Category 1 should be quite sure is Napoli - Rangers, on paper Scottish side could still contend the third place, but according to what we saw so far by them in terms of performance, every Elite referee would be too much here. Committee could maybe find room for Sanchez Martinez, the fourth Spanish Elite, but would be a nonsense appointment, just to get a presence... and many Spanish referees have been already assigned to group stage.
    All big names will be very busy and we are talking only about Champions League, so in Europa League I'm sure we will have many surprises in very important and crucial games even involving big teams.
    Another referee who could get a match in a CL game is Soares Dias, but in this case after the last performance looks impossible...

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    1. Promo23 October 2022 at 19:52

      Kovacs could get a match despite a performance in Leverkusen but why not Dias? VAR help for penalty, disallowed goal that's normal except red card which he directly detect in field.

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    2. Philipp S23 October 2022 at 20:34

      With Brugge already qualified, I don't think that game needs a big name, so maybe even a First Group referee possible there.
      At least, I would switch Vincic and Letexier around in that group - or use both French referees there.
      Turpin already had Bayern, so I would find it more logical to use Taylor there - especially if Oliver should get Inter.
      Makkelie in group D sounds good to me and the second game there is indeed difficult. Maybe Gil Manzano for Tottenham in spite of two Spaniards on MD4?
      I would keep Kovacs out this round and maybe give him a less important game on MD6.
      In group A it looks very logical to use a Spanish referee in Amsterdam. Could be even Sanchez with the idea of resting Mateu for a group decider on MD 6 (in group E?). And I agree, that Napoli-Rangers should go to First group.

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    3. Alfie4623 October 2022 at 20:46

      My prediction
      Ajax - Liverpool: Gil Manzano
      Napoli - Rangers: Sanchez
      Club Brugge - Porto: Grinfeld
      Atlético Madrid - Bayer Leverkusen : Letexier or Turpin
      Inter - Viktoria Plzen: Oliver
      Barcelona - Bayern: Taylor
      Eintracht Frankfurt - Olympique Marseille: Makkelie
      Tottenham - Sporting: Meiler

      Not sure we will see a Cat 1 out either tbh

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    4. Alfie4623 October 2022 at 20:50

      Something tells me we will see 2 spanish referees based on the VAR appointments with both Munuera & Hernandez as AVAR on Tuesday (maybe I am wrong).

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    5. diego61223 October 2022 at 22:50

      Brugge - Porto: Halil Umut Meler
      Inter Milan - Viktoria Plzen: Oliver
      Madrid - Bayer Leverkusen: Turpin
      Barcelona - Bayern Munich: Taylor
      Napoli - Rangers: Sánchez
      Ajax - Liverpool: Gil Manzano
      Tottenham - Sporting: Kovacs
      Eintracht - Olympique Marsella
      ARBITRO: Makkelie

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  5. M23 October 2022 at 19:20

    Yep,I think that in some other leagues like Serie A that would have been clear penalty.

    But we know that VAR in England has its own story and every game it needs to be written.

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  6. luuk23 October 2022 at 20:13

    Villarreals Alex Baena lifted his shirt after he equalised to show a message in honour of the VP of the club, who died last week. What does De Burgos? Second yellow card... Extremely pathetic decision IMO.

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    1. Quilava23 October 2022 at 20:30

      Technically correct (and mandatory) 2YC.

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    2. xabi23 October 2022 at 21:26

      De Burgos does what he has to do. Yellow card for passing the shirt over his head. Mandatory YC.

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    3. xabi23 October 2022 at 21:31

      There are many ways to display that message without violating the regulation. They are criticizing De Burgos a lot, but he has only done his job. Is it the fault of the referee or the player who does not know the rules?

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    4. Chefren23 October 2022 at 21:36

      I agree with Xabi and Quilava, blame the LotG, not the referee applying them. Otherwise, find many different ways to send your message. It can't be always referee's fault.

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    5. VG23 October 2022 at 22:36

      It's a yellow card according to the laws of the game if this happens:
      • covering the head or face with a mask or other similar item.
      • removing the shirt or covering the head with the shirt.

      None of them happened. He did not remove his shirt, he did not cover his head. He pulled his shirt over his head... How is this a correct decision?

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    6. Jackson24 October 2022 at 08:44

      I agree with VG. The player didn't cover his head with the shirt nor did he remove his shirt. This is NOT a correct decision by the Laws of the Game.

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    7. Philipp S24 October 2022 at 09:42

      But I think, the instruction is to punish it as removing the shirt as soon as the collar is pulled over the head - which happened here.
      And the protesting players were quite aware of that, as they were wrongly claiming that he only pulled up the lower part of the shirt.

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  7. Philipp S23 October 2022 at 22:17

    OT: None of the five last games in Copa Libertadores are refereed by someone going to the World Cup. Quite remarkable, I think.
    The semifinals were handled by Tobar, Ostojich, Roldan and Maza - so two previous WC candidates, one previous WC referee and the Finalissima referee.
    The final will be done by Loustau - again after 2020 and the third Argentinian in a row.

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    1. Zwayerbrazil23 October 2022 at 22:40

      Cunha, Pitana, Loustau are saying goodbye to the refereeing. Cunha will just whistle the domestic matches not international anymore.

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  8. Chefren24 October 2022 at 05:21

    I never saw a player acting in this way against a referee in serie A. I'm curious now how many days of days he will get.
    BTW I really don't understand why Roma players were so nervous, but maybe I can easily guess it... their coach and his instructions!
    It was a normal game for Irrati, he maybe did some mistakes but only minor ones, most important call a penalty to Napoli that was annulled by VAR. So absolutely weird to see so many protests from home-side, they don't have even a single argument to complain about...

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  9. Unknown24 October 2022 at 10:59

    The argument they can complain about is his agressive reaction after the match. At some point it’s Irrati making the confrontation, and he even stepped on Karsdorp’s foot (almost, but not totally hidden by the final score bar on television)!!
    Even if players react as they did, a referee cannot show the same behaviour and, after showing the red card, he should have be wiser as to continue the confrontation.

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  10. Hans24 October 2022 at 14:28

    Step on the foot can been seen a little better here

    https://twitter.com/marcopalmix/status/1584286846124666880?t=GOTLtTMJgPfE2lrV89DJZg&s=19

    I hope Karsdorp will be (strong) sanctioned but the way Irrati seeks the confrontation feels a bit wrong for me

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  11. Dukat19224 October 2022 at 17:13

    I'm at a serious risk of being called a typical referee apologist, however this step on foot seems to have been completely accidental to me. I don't see any intention in that, an unlucky circumstance when he turned to face Karsdorp again. Now, the fact that he "faced" the player in this particular way is probably what bothers Unknown and Hans the most, and I can agree with that to a certain extent, because the referee has to maintain the professional standards, the "moral high ground", protecting the image of a game he serves. On the other hand, I cannot know what Karsdorp actually said to Irrati, and that seems to be the reason for Irrati's initial reaction, judging by the body language. Irrati's further reaction, "seeking confrontation", seems to be provoked by a violent reaction from Karsdorp. And, I'm sorry, but everything about that reaction is wrong for me, also everything about Karsdorp's whole behaviour from the very beginning. Of course, and in part because of Irrati's inability to remain completely cool, we now have a verbal abuser pretending to be the victim, which is so typical for such people and unfortunately very common in any profession of authority. Don't get me wrong, Irrati should be held fully responsible for his reaction, he should have never created such an opportunity for the abuser to act as a victim, however he is also only human, and sometimes it's very difficult to remain completely level-headed, as all of us know very well.

    To conclude: if I were the referee manager, I would have definitely formally (and publicly) reprimanded Irrati for his aggressive stance, because there was no reason to continue walking towards Karsdorp after everything. However, the person to primarily blame in this whole situation is Karsdorp, with his violent and completely disrespectful behaviour towards the referee. And we see too much of that every single day, unfortunately, because the "stars" are always right. Just my opinion, of course, sorry if it offended anyone.

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  12. GO_REF25 October 2022 at 13:51

    Jovanović without goal line in Lisbon tonight

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    1. RefSoccer341225 October 2022 at 18:34

      https://football-italia.net/official-no-goal-line-technology-at-benfica-vs-juventus/

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  13. anty7525 October 2022 at 20:02

    Well done Bastien, that penalty would have been ridiculous

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    1. Philipp S25 October 2022 at 20:37

      Yes, but shouldn't he have given a defensive free kick? Doesn't make a big difference to the goal kick, but just for the sake of taking the best possible decision.
      I mean, it's only not a punishable handball, because it's a foul by the attacker, I think.

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  14. Chefren25 October 2022 at 20:37

    OFR in the last minutes of the game in Seville for SFP, excellent decision by VAR Delajod.

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  15. Euro Soccer Ref25 October 2022 at 20:57

    Very good performance by Willy Delajod as VAR in Seville. Quick, correct interventions and it looks like a good cooperation between him and Benoît Bastien who had an expected level performance with a very strict body language and facial expression throughout. Personally, I would pay more attention to Jorge Sampaoli for constantly leaving his technical area and would have booked Sevilla player for dissenting at AR1 in 35' but these are minor things.

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    1. anty7525 October 2022 at 21:08

      Was it necessary for Delajod to ask Bastien to look at the monitor for supposed handball? Should have seen attackers push himself

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    2. Philipp S25 October 2022 at 21:12

      Well one could say, that technically it was a missed handball penalty and a missed foul in the APP. And in such cases, an OFR is expected, I think.

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    3. Unknown25 October 2022 at 21:13

      IMO a correct intervention. Probably Delajod recognized the push himself, but as the handball itself was a punishable one, an OFR should be advised to come to the correct conclusion: a punishable handball, but an attacking foul before (which probably caused the handball, at least partly), do FK to defending team.

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    4. Euro Soccer Ref25 October 2022 at 22:05

      Correct and preferable intervention as the offence by defender (handball) would be blatant if not the push before. In case of no intervention, everybody would question whether VAR checked the incident. With OFR everything has been made clear.

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  16. Smigol25 October 2022 at 21:13

    BEN-JUV - 10´ - possible SFP by Bonucci.

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    1. Unknown25 October 2022 at 21:16

      Pooh, quite similar to the OFR RC in Sevilla, maybe a little less intensity…?

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    2. Smigol25 October 2022 at 21:18

      https://streamable.com/3dokat

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    3. Chefren25 October 2022 at 21:23

      Yes, by far less intensity but still a SFP for me.
      We know that German VARs are not so eager to intervene... I think a VAR from another nationality would have intervened.
      Now a mistake by AR1 in a very difficult offside situation to read, but still better to keep flag down in such cases.

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    4. Chefren25 October 2022 at 21:27

      Penalty for handball correctly whistled by Jovanovic. Clear decision.

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    5. Smigol25 October 2022 at 21:31

      Agree. Extra movement by defender. PK-NC

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    6. David Hatfield25 October 2022 at 21:33

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    7. Chefren25 October 2022 at 21:37

      Well, if you can demonstrate that!

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    8. Fortify 25 October 2022 at 21:43

      How can be Moise in offside position when Vlahovic has touched the ball almost in goal line. Instead of awful intervention i would right awful comment.

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    9. Philipp S25 October 2022 at 21:45

      Yes, he is in an offside position at Vlahovic's first touch, but he touches it again and then Kean is behind the ball. And only the last touch by a teammate is relevant.

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    10. Smigol25 October 2022 at 21:45

      Respect, pls :)

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    11. David Hatfield25 October 2022 at 21:53

      Philipp S, Kean intervenes in the situation and deliberately runs to the ball when in an offside position. Kean becomes involved in active play.

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    12. Fortify 25 October 2022 at 21:58

      Please do not insist for nothing
      Here is the link
      https://streamja.com/Wzl0R

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    13. David Hatfield25 October 2022 at 22:01

      I insist because you are wrong.
      Kean is involved in active play in an offside position. He searches for the ball.

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    14. Philipp S25 October 2022 at 22:11

      We are talking about the time between the first and the second touch by Vlahovic, right?
      Kean is nearly standing still in that period. "Searching for the ball" would not be enough anyway.

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    15. David Hatfield25 October 2022 at 22:15

      "Searching for the ball" would not be enough? Do you know what active play is? Kean actively participates in the play and profits from the offside position. One can even argue Kean distracts Benfica's goalkeeper before ball gets to Vlhaovic. Beyond obvious. Horrible decision by Fritz.

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    16. VG25 October 2022 at 22:56

      Kean is not punishable at all. ''Searching for the ball'' has never been an offside offence. He has zero impact on the goalkeepers ability to play the ball. Neither did he challenge him for the ball. Especially with the onsde player so close, it's even more clear that he had no effect since the goalkeeper was 100% focused on him and the ball.

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    17. Dukat19226 October 2022 at 00:01

      Agree with VG and Philipp: I cannot see a punishable offside here. IMO, Kean didn't have any any influence on the goalkeeper here.

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    18. David Hatfield26 October 2022 at 00:05

      There's actually a double offside offence. Firsty, even before Vlahovic touches the ball, Kean is in active play, which is indeed punishable by the way, in case you're not aware. Secondly, Kean is offside after Vlahovic touches the ball for the first time and takes advantage of that position to score the goal. And yeah, Kean's presence there distracts the goalkeeper. This is not even debatable. Put yourself in the keeper's shoes. What annoys me here is that Stojkovic got it absolutely spot on (and it was not easy at all) and then comes a poor VAR decision that overturns his excellent read of the situation.

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    19. VG26 October 2022 at 00:20

      The keeper is 100% focused on the ball. There is barely even time for him to react to the ball since it came so fast. He had no time to even focus on Keane. Keane made no offence and the keeper would have reacted exactly the same with or without Kean being there.

      The second situation there is another touch again by the onside attacker and that's when the offside player interferes with the defender behind him. But he was onside then so it doesn't matter.

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    20. David Hatfield26 October 2022 at 04:48

      There's one thing you don't seem to understand - it's called active play. It would have been a correct VAR decision had Kean totally refrained from fighting for the ball. He's pretty much into the situation and knowingly blocks the keeper's sight. It's offside in every part of the world. As if that weren't enough, after Vlahovic touches the ball for the first time, Kean is once again in an offside position and continues to search for the ball. Play must stop there because he then takes advantage of his offside position to score.

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  17. Euro Soccer Ref25 October 2022 at 22:09

    Possible RC for SFP-tackle in DZGMIL (43'), YC-only to Ademi (DZG). Tomasz Kwiatkowski didn't intervene as the studs contact with calf was somehow caused by a momentum of tackling player and not directly by the tackle itself. Very borderline and I'm sure Kwiatkowski was in big doubt whether to intervene or not. Maybe Anthony will find a footage ;)

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    1. Smigol25 October 2022 at 22:22

      https://streamable.com/k0foa8

      SFP missed by Marciniak. He already missed a SFP in Camp Nou and now, another one.

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    2. Chefren25 October 2022 at 22:27

      I think Euro Soccer Referee descibed exactly why VAR didn't intervene, the last part of the challenge was rather unlucky circumstance and not a direct result of the tackle. How much relevant should be this argument, can be discussed.

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    3. Unknown25 October 2022 at 22:30

      YC is supportable for me. As ESR explained the calf contact was due to momentum of the initial tackle, which was over the ground and not that dangerous. Because of that speed and intensity we’re not at it max anymore, so I’ve no major problem with the YC.

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    4. usaref25 October 2022 at 22:33

      Right, I mean it's a tackle directly from behind, into the back of the calf, with no chance of playing the ball. You take the risk when you go into a challenge like that. There wouldn't be "bad luck" if you didn't challenge directly from behind with no opportunity to play the ball.

      This was a red card from about 1998-2009, no questions asked. I have very little idea why it isn't seen clearly as such anymore.

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    5. Dukat19225 October 2022 at 23:41

      I would agree with Euro Soccer Referee, a perfect explanation of this situation, according to the standards nowadays. However, if I were to give an honest personal opinion, it would be the same as usaref's. So: YC fully supportable, but my personal preference would be RC for SFP.

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  18. Chefren25 October 2022 at 22:21

    Now another possible SFP in Jovanovic game, again, similar to first incident, very borderline.

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    1. Smigol25 October 2022 at 23:08

      The point of contact is high but Danilo is bending his knee before the contact in order to minimize his impact. IMO is just a reckless challenge.

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    2. David27 October 2022 at 13:29

      IMO it should be a RC. VARint also prefered. Danilo is very late and his studs hit the tigh.

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  19. Daniel Bailey25 October 2022 at 22:30

    Yellow card for handball from Massa a perfect example of something that would never be a card in England, but almost always in Uefa

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  20. Unknown25 October 2022 at 22:50

    89’ in Celtic vs Shakhtar, YC given to Zubkov for a reckless, late tackle or was this a violent conduct?

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    1. Smigol25 October 2022 at 23:03

      Ukranian player doesn´t want to play the ball, he just wants to kick the opponent and the force is not negligible. Violent conduct.

      https://streamable.com/56semc

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    2. Philipp S25 October 2022 at 23:04

      He doesn't really hit him (only low intensity) and the ball was not that far away, so I think YC still is OK.

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    3. Philipp S25 October 2022 at 23:07

      OK, I now detected the impact on the opponent's left leg, which I missed before. In that case, I would also say it is VC. That kick had nothing to do with the ball and enough intensity.

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    4. Smigol25 October 2022 at 23:09

      +1

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    5. Dukat19225 October 2022 at 23:56

      VC for me also, for the reasons stated above.

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    6. VG26 October 2022 at 00:14

      The force not being negligible only applies for contact with the head and face for VC. That never applies for anything else. Interest in the ball or not makes no difference if the kick isn't excessive force or brutality. However I could accept excessive force here and therefore a red card. Had it been lower force it's never a red card just because it wasn't neglieable.

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    7. David26 October 2022 at 12:22

      for me also VC

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    8. Smigol26 October 2022 at 13:49

      You are right VG. I used the term "negligible" in its whole meaning, not only in the meaning referred to in the LOTG. ;)

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  21. Smigol25 October 2022 at 22:53

    90+2 - Correct PK by Orsato. Pretty clear tripping.

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  22. Philipp S25 October 2022 at 23:12

    So with all the non-interventions for possible Red Cards tonight a heretical question:
    Was Delajod actually the one not being in line with UEFA standards, when he intervened for a SFP, although the referee had assessed the action on the field?

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    1. Dukat19226 October 2022 at 00:14

      I just saw the video provided by Smigol below and I think it was a very good and correct VAR intervention. It was a very dangerous studs tackle, high on the calf from behind, with stretched leg and severe intensity. It is a pretty clear SFP for me in this case.

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  23. Smigol25 October 2022 at 23:39

    OFR from SEV-COP (Bastian)

    DFK (push) + PK Handball
    https://streamable.com/fu6gse

    SFP
    https://streamable.com/6yfxoa

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    1. Dukat19226 October 2022 at 00:08

      SFP: Very clear, but it seems Bastien's view was somewhat blocked by another player's body, so I wouldn't blame him too much. Nice job by the VAR here.

      DFK: Very good job by the VAR again. Clear push by the attacker, otherwise it would have been a punishable handball and penalty.

      One small remark: the descriptions and videos are mixed up, it is just the other way around regarding descriptions. Thank you very much for the videos.

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