Further seminars for the other three confederations (CONCACAF, CONMEBOL and UEFA) are expected to be organized during the current year.
Doha (Qatar), 27-31 January 2025
AFC
1. Alireza Faghani (AUS, 1978)
2. Ma Ning (CHN, 1979)
3. Adham Makhadmeh (JOR, 1986)
4. Yusuke Araki (JPN, 1986)
5. Kim Jong-hyeok (KOR, 1983)
6. Mohammed Al-Hoish (KSA, 1986)
7. Khalid Al-Turais (KSA, 1987)
8. Ahmad Al-Ali (KUW, 1984)
9. Nazmi Nasaruddin (MAS, 1990)
10. Ahmed Al Kaf (OMA, 1983)
11. Abdulrahman Al-Jassim (QAT, 1987)
12. Salman Falahi (QAT, 1990)
13. Omar Al-Ali (UAE, 1981)
14. Adel Al-Naqbi (UAE, 1982)
15. Ilgiz Tantashev (UZB, 1984)
CAF
AFC
1. Alireza Faghani (AUS, 1978)
2. Ma Ning (CHN, 1979)
3. Adham Makhadmeh (JOR, 1986)
4. Yusuke Araki (JPN, 1986)
5. Kim Jong-hyeok (KOR, 1983)
6. Mohammed Al-Hoish (KSA, 1986)
7. Khalid Al-Turais (KSA, 1987)
8. Ahmad Al-Ali (KUW, 1984)
9. Nazmi Nasaruddin (MAS, 1990)
10. Ahmed Al Kaf (OMA, 1983)
11. Abdulrahman Al-Jassim (QAT, 1987)
12. Salman Falahi (QAT, 1990)
13. Omar Al-Ali (UAE, 1981)
14. Adel Al-Naqbi (UAE, 1982)
15. Ilgiz Tantashev (UZB, 1984)
CAF
1. Youcef Gamouh (ALG, 1987)
2. Mustapha Ghorbal (ALG, 1985)
3. Mahamat Alhadji (CHA, 1986)
4. Jean Ndala (COD, 1987)
5. Amin Omar (EGY, 1985)
6. Mohamed Maarouf (EGY, 1986)
7. Pierre Atcho (GAB, 1992)
2. Mustapha Ghorbal (ALG, 1985)
3. Mahamat Alhadji (CHA, 1986)
4. Jean Ndala (COD, 1987)
5. Amin Omar (EGY, 1985)
6. Mohamed Maarouf (EGY, 1986)
7. Pierre Atcho (GAB, 1992)
8. Tanguy Mebiame (GAB, 1993)
9. Mutaz Ibrahim (LYB, 1990)
9. Mutaz Ibrahim (LYB, 1990)
10. Jalal Jayed (MAR, 1987)
11. Dahane Beida (MTN, 1991)
12. Issa Sy (SEN, 1984)
13. Omar Artan (SOM, 1992)
14. Abongile Tom (RSA, 1991)
15. Mahmood Ismail (SDN, 1988)
OFC
1. Campbell-Kirk Kawana-Waugh (NZL, 1983)
2. Ben Aukwai (SOL, 1986)
11. Dahane Beida (MTN, 1991)
12. Issa Sy (SEN, 1984)
13. Omar Artan (SOM, 1992)
14. Abongile Tom (RSA, 1991)
15. Mahmood Ismail (SDN, 1988)
OFC
1. Campbell-Kirk Kawana-Waugh (NZL, 1983)
2. Ben Aukwai (SOL, 1986)
It is also reported Yamashita and Karboubi still preselected, but not invited to seminar with the male referees.
ReplyDeleteMaybe FIFA started to split the work for the two world cups, but if both them were preselected for 2026, they should have been there... we will see.
Furthermore, a VAR seminar will be held the week before, let's see whether we will manage the names.
Thanks as always to Arbitro Internacional.
Honest question Chefren, do you think they both merited inclusion or was this a political move.
DeleteThe Turkish Football Federation (TFF) announced that it will make referee appointments together with the super league clubs. An advisory board is being formed. The clubs will determine the members of this advisory board and they will make referee appointments together with the TFF. They will also make decisions regarding refereeing. The TFF announced this on its official website. This is not in accordance with FIFA's regulations. However, UEFA and FIFA are very silent on this issue. Next season, all refereeing will be transferred to a company to be established together with the clubs.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.tff.org/default.aspx?pageID=1269&ftxtID=46420
https://www.tff.org/default.aspx?pageID=285&ftxtID=46407
Actually, FIFA works in the same way - but informally.
DeleteIt will be the end of real refereeing, like it is in England.
FIFA is violating its own regulation. FIFA member FA's refereering organization "article 12 referee appointments" are very clear on this issue
DeleteArt. 12:
Delete"No club, league or other body of the Member Association may interfere in the Referee appointment process."
Not just FIFA though? I have the impression that interferences by other bodies or even clubs “off the record” do play a role within UEFA as well. One example is the delays we’ve witnessed in some particular cases. I mean, when a referee for a Slovenia qualifier game is released 1-2 days later than the other qualifier games, we know it isn’t just Rosetti who wants to sleep on it.
Moreover, some referees can’t officiate certain (major!) clubs for dubious reasons — And no, this is not always caused by UEFA being concerned about negative media attention before a kick-off. There is more into that.
In general, some clubs have more power than others. No surprise, we just have to look at the referee appointments. Some teams always get the best and most experienced referees while the Refcom simply doesn’t care about others. Sad but true.
Seems like the TFF is taking over the model from PGMOL and DFB...both have founded a joint venture between their mother-association and the clubs/leagues. Makes great sense IMO. The clubs/leagues pay a lot of money for referees, so they should also have a say about it. In other sports like handball, it is even normal that the clubs give marks to the referees, and in the end those marks even count to a certain extend into promotion/relegation of the referees. In the end, the referee board should always be in charge, of course.
DeleteI cannot understand how it is possible to validate with Var a goal scored after an obvious hand foul like Newcastle's 1-1 (6') against Tottenham
ReplyDeleteNow Kulusevski breaks Gordon's nose in the penalty box, no foul given, no VAR check:
Deletehttps://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1htet62/kulusevski_challenge_on_anthony_gordon_no_foul_no/
Ref is Andrew Madley, who was also in charge of Newcastle vs Liverpool last month, when Gordon had a very similar incident against Van Dijk:
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1h79q35/van_dijk_shoulders_gordon_in_the_face/
https://x.com/bil_prag/status/1864476342022025481?mx=2
We can say that at least Madley is consistent with his decisions, however IMO both of them are wrong, as in both occasions Gordon was hit maliciously and intentionally by his opponents.
It shouldn't matter with which body part you hit an opponent, as long as it is used as a weapon, it should still be sanctioned. We see however that only that refs have double standards and ignore shoulder hits, while penalizing arm/palm/elbow hits much more severely, even if the effects are far less dangerous than a broken nose (see Vinicius Jr vs Valencia GK incident).
Very natural position, arm by his side, and no clear movement towards the ball. Can't clearly say it's deliberate either. Regular goal
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DeleteBordeline situation.
One can't say that arm was in open position, rather, it was consistent with body. Only thing for player to avoid such contact, was to remove and put it behind the back (this is not required).
Having said that, in Italy this would have been annulled though, due to the following goal (there would be more flexibility if this was about a penalty to be assigned or not) because according to people opinions, a player takes an advantage by stopping ball, with hand. But in a "normal" reading of the action, and this can maybe happen only in country like England or Germany about handballs, it's indeed not a strictly punishable one. But, on the contrary, I can't imagine VAR calling referee if whistled live.
About 59', very unconventional incident indeed, and one can say that VAR stayed silent because the opponent was hit with a part of body that is very rarely "used" for a foul. Could have been whistled by referee, though, given the consequences on opponent.
DeleteMight be the arm in natural position but it makes body much bigger. Stopping the ball by arm was actually an assist to the goal assistant and made big advantage for the scoring team. But 10-15 later the ref stopped the game after the ball hit again Newcastle player at the centre of the field. But then it was 100% unpunishable: 1. Arm in natural position 2. Close to the body 3. Player tried to move arm backward and avoid contact 4. The part of the arm where the ball hit it is unpunishable - close to the shoulder. So, big inconsistency by the ref. About PK - 100% PK. I can’t believe that this ref officiates Premier League matches. But having in mind the “quality” of English refs - I found him as average Premier League ref. And dod you see PK given from Taylor against Arsenal??? What a joke that was - he didn’t see situation at all, he was thinking 5 seconds and whistled it. Just compare what was whistled as a PK in favor of Brighton, and what didn’t in favor of Newcastle!!! That’s abnormal!
Delete@Miki It doesn't make the body unnaturally bigger (which is what the natural position thing is all about). Hence no foul, good decision there. The second situation you're talking about, the defender had his arms up and outstretched - yes, trying to pull them away but not quick enough. So again a good, and regular call.
DeleteTaylor got the penalty call right, what's the issue then that it took two or three seconds for the call? Clearly he did see the foul (excellent detection!).
Al Jassim's performance was commendable, as he remained proactive throughout the match, maintaining control and displaying excellent judgment, particularly when he allowed the advantage to stand leading up to Bahrain's winning goal. While it may be premature to make any conclusions, if Al Jassim continues to perform at this level, it could spark an exciting competition between him and Salman Falahi for the Qatari spot in the 2026 World Cup. Could Qatar have two representatives?
ReplyDeleteCommendable would go too far imo. It was a decent performance by Al-Jassim, who got the big decision right (penalty to Bahrain) and generally justified the appointment, but in technical matters he wasn't overly convincing. (@Smala: the two UEFA referees had good performances in the semifinals; all three expulsions were justified).
DeleteIt seems like very challenging match for Ko Hyung Jin on the 2nd leg final round of the 2024 ASEAN Championship.
ReplyDeleteAnother injury for Marco Guida, very unlucky career for him, with many physical troubles. He had been appointed (and he was planned by weeks) to today's Rome derby. He will be replaced by Pairetto, originally the fourth official. The most important match of the career for the famous Pierluigi's son, and it will be very interesting to see how he will handle a game that certainly doesn't suit with his style. He will have to find a way for being accepted by players in one of the most challenging serie A clashes. Not easy, but in case he can win something big (it will be extremely hard, though). He had already officiated this one but during COVID times and behind closed doors (absolutely impossible to make any comparison with today's duty...).
ReplyDeleteAfter a good first half, Pairetto totally lost control of the Rome derby, succumbing to the simulations and provocations of the Giallorossi players. The summary of the performance is in the recovery minutes of the second half: Hummels provokes Castellanos and simulates taking a hit; Pairetto gives a RC to Castellanos and does not sanction Hummels
ReplyDeleteYes, missed YC for Hummels, but for me Pairetto did a good job in very hot match - good strict approach, consistent foul detection, control and acceptance by players.
DeleteLast confrontation out of control, but nobody can control something like this.
Castellanos deserved for RC for full match, he fouled and provocated many times.
Control as possible, ofc
DeleteI agree about Castellanos, but it is an argument that can be extended to many players: for example, Paredes' YC is borderline (a RC would not have been wrong) and Pairetto did not give him a previously codified yellow. In general, the Rome derby is always an almost unmanageable match, and it is no coincidence that in past years it has almost always been entrusted to Orsato (who has never lost control, however, excluding one match in the Coppa Italia, in which he still did not get fooled as Pairetto did tonight, drawing two RCs).
DeleteMeanwhile, from some images it appears there was indeed a shot by Castellanos at Hummels, so I stand corrected: correct Pairetto's RC. My assessment of the performance does not change, but fortunately the referee in the end did not affect the result, I think there will be no controversy (I mean no more than usual: Lazio and Roma are terrible teams on and off the field, controversy is always there, regardless)
DeleteMy opinion, in short: the "true" nature of this game came out suddenly in second half, and this is quite impossible to handle for all referees (first half absolutely below expectations regarding the difficulty of the game). In this context, Pairetto, for what he can do, did quite well. Surely he prepared the game and he had a rather different approach than other occasions, but once you have to face the behavioe of those disgraceful players, nobody can be the best here.. I think it was a performance close to an expected level, not bad. No VAR interventions and that's the first important thing. Most important key, a weak point in case of Pairetto: no penalty area incidents, othwerwise with his style, he would have surely struggled by far more.
DeleteImo,decent performance.
Delete1H was very good,4 YC's were shown rightly so and match was not that difficult.
However, 2H could have been better.
More lenient approach that resulted with some tensions that was expected in Rome Derby.
But,blatant cards that he missed are not acceptable;
Kone's late foul on Guendozi(should have been YC) that led to mass scuffle were Paredes and Guendouzi should have both receive YC's,late management of Castellanos/Hummels situation were Hummels went unpunished and some other situations.
So with that being said,no crucial mistakes so his performance will be good,but lot of things he can do better.
More consistency and more alertness in this big matches.
Very poor first half by Sozza in Italian Super Cup final Inter - Milan.
ReplyDeleteThe referee missed a very clear YC for SPA in 13', he didn't even whistle foul, AR2 failed to cooperate. Extremely evident situation.
To follow, another incident, it was about the 32' minute, in which he gave a rather passive impression.
Then the decision to give only 1 minute of added time when game was stopped for a long time due to an injury. Sometimes I really can't believe how a fourth official can't help referee in this regard.
The game is just going by itself, Milan's derby are absolutely different than the discussed Roma - Lazio from yesterday. The referee has been very lucky so far, to my eyes he did exactly nothing to officiate the game, but had an extremely easy atsmosphere, not higlighting at all his mistakes, or to say better, totally missed actions.
Let's just hope fro a better second half.
Very bad management of Leao in the second half as well. Unfortunately, with Guida injured, Doveri now very old and so many good elements who have recently retired, the level of Italian referees is really low this year, at least compared to the last decades
DeleteIn the second half, the referee completely changed his style, starting to give cards from the early minutes. However, the performance was certainly not perfect, and there are other situations where there was too little acceptance. In my opinion, the biggest problem with refereeing today is that finals are treated differently and referees for this reason try not to officiate them at all. A year ago, AIA criticized a lot the performance of Rapuano who refereed the final of this competition, because in their opinion he had exaggerated with the yellow cards and a couple of them were completely wrong. He refereed as he knew how, not caring that it was a final. Today Sozza was inhibited for 3/4 of the match because he didn't want to influence it and the result was a negative performance. I will always prefer a even negative performance, but at least a genuine one, than one that is "modified" by a deliberate choice to stay in the background, allowing players everything.
DeleteToday, a little better in second half but still the approach was not consistent with what we saw before and there are also several situations to review, such as a possible foul before a goal and no acceptance while managing a mass confrontation. No VAR interventions is the only positive aspect of this game, but certainly this doesn't exempt from criticism. For me the referee, who is running for important achievement at UEFA level, should have done much, much better. Nevertheless, with Milan win in the end, even lss criticisms for refeereing, because most of controversial incidents were in favor of Inter, and tha was another good luck for Sozza.
There was also a nasty foul by Theo (?) on an achilles tendon in the first half. Looked deliberate. And I thought there was a foul committed before Milan’s 2-1. Morata played more foot than ball.
DeleteAbout changing approach/disciplinary: I wonder why referees often change their approach so drastically after the halftime break (from zero YCs to fairly strict). It happens a lot, also in UEFA competitions, but it doesn't make the referee more credible. Rather inconsistent. For example Taylor often refuses to issue a clear YC, because "it is still early in the game".
It sometimes seems a remedy to prevent them from ending a match with 10+ YCs. But the truth is, if the line is clear and the 1st YC is shown at the right time, the players know what to expect.
It was a fun match to watch though. Very entertaining 2nd half.
Agree with most of your comments,just to add.
DeleteMissed foul before 1st Milan goal which resulted in not just a goal but a YC.
Probably missed foul on Barella in situation where YC/RC could have been shown.But I can see backing from VAR.
And Theo's foul on Dumfries...
No words,maybe RC material and this right here was not even whistled for a foul.
I dont know what Italian future for refereeing will be,but right now it's not promising.
Doveri who does not have good style,has his lenient style will retire.
Mariani is not reliable and who do you have?
Massa,Chiffi,Guida who is injured very often,Pairetto.
Sozza is being forsed but with reason that he is next big thing from Italy
Maresca is one ref whose style I like but he has his legal problems and also his age.
Sorry but so far I did not see any promising things or extraordinary talent from him.
Collina,Rizzoli,Rocchi ,Orsato and Irrati for VAR were all great and world class names.
Looks like it will be long time before Italy has world class ref again.
Interesting no handball decision today in Wolves vs Forest:
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Ref: Peter Bankes (ENG)
VAR: Alex Chilowicz (USA)
Premier League already released a statement, saying that "The referee's call of no penalty for a potential handball was checked and confirmed by VAR, who deemed his arm was in a natural position."
To me it seems a very similar situation to the now famous Cucurella handball in ESP vs GER: arm outstretched, making his body bigger and ball coming from a reasonable distance. We know now that UEFA deemed that decision as a mistake, and with the penalty given yesterday in Liverpool vs Man Utd at De Ligt's handball, it is even more surprising this one was not given.
Also for reference, the VAR Alex Chilowicz refereed Brighton vs Crawley back in August and received heavy criticism for not even awarding a foul(!) for the tackle below, which resulted in Brighton player needing ankle surgery and staying on the sideline for more than 2 months.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LE55-xqjCZM
This is not a shot on target, hence I would not compare it with the famous Cucurella handball.
DeleteIn UEFA competitions and Italy, it is probably a clear PK (arm making the body bigger), however I have my doubts whether this type of handball is always punished in the Premier League.
"To me it seems a very similar situation to the now famous Cucurella"
DeleteIt's not, because it's not shot on goal :)
Not a shot on goal (UEFA made it clear that being a shot on goal the situation should have been treated differently in that case), and I think not even similar regarding the arm position, in this case it's rather close to body and not fully open. I think that's another borderline incident, that in Italy can be perceived as more penalty for me still NO VAR stuff, while in England and Germany it can be easily assessed as not punishable. I think it wouldn't be a drama in serie A if a referee plays on after that... handballs are very particular issue, to me, it's impossible to find similar or identical situations.
DeleteActually I believe, this is a rather clear handball in Germany...
DeleteThe arm is moving from a natural position away from the body and into the path of the ball. Also the player has a clear blocking intention in his overall action.
TBH, for me a clearer handball than Cucurella (if we ignore the "shot on goal argument").
Deliberate handball. Natural this or that is not the discussion point. It was a clear deliberate handball offence.
Deletehttps://youtu.be/AktDFF0qI9Y
ReplyDeleteHere the clip from the famous game Monaco - PSG and the assessment made by VAR for the incident involving Donnarumma.
Before that, FFF admitted this was a clear red card and VAR made a mistake.
They assessed that it was uninentional action by attacker (and we can agree exclusively on that) but they started from the assumption that this was enough for ignoring the effects. Also, I don't understand the last words clearly, but surely a very important one "NO extra movement" and another "big consequence" (but according to them, not for player's action, rather because unlucky). It seems they were happy with that because the player didn't make any further action to hurt opponent.
In my opinion that's a classic mistake in which you ignore what you have under your eyes (the serious foul play) for going in a rather too complex and unnecessary analysis that should come only after having ensured that the original action was not worthy of a red card by itself.
And this was.. in two words, attacker acted endangering opponent's safety. This would have been enough to say red card.
Chefren, I understand your explanation, but we must ask ourselves: what exactly did the attacker do wrong? He wanted to lob the goalkeeper and even tried to jump over him, but an unfortunate contact occurred. There was no additional movement by the attacker. What could he have done differently? His sole intention was to score a goal. Should he be sent off for attempting a shot on goal? The goalkeeper also needs to be aware of his actions and the risks associated with them.
DeleteBrisard basically says "I won't send it to you, he is trying to jump over him, no extra move, there is nothing we can do"
DeleteSo according to your opinion, red card should be a wrong decision, if he can do nothing to avoid the situation. He entered the challenge in that way and in my opinion this was enough to say that he took a risk of a possible serious foul play.
DeleteLet's say it would be more appropriate for the attacker to stay on the field, as he did nothing wrong. However, if the referee decided to send him off, I believe VAR should not intervene in any way.
DeleteNew role for Orsato, following the election of a new AIA president (the former Italian international referee is close to him).
ReplyDeleteHe has been appointed as "REFEREE DEVELOPMENT MANAGER".
Work areas:
• FUTURE PROSPECTS
Mentoring “new entries” serie A-B and “best prospects” for becoming FIFA referees
• FUTURE TALENTS
Coaching “best talents” Serie C and “new entries” serie D;
• FIFA REFEREES
Coaching “FIFA Referees”, incudling all referees, men and women, assistant referees, video assistant referees.
Planned activities and objectives:
• Group coaching during serie A and B meetings;
• Personalized coaching on UEFA matches;
• Enhancement of existing paths;
• Improvement of the level of reading the games;
• Debriefing and Coaching in cooperation with the vaerious heads of commitee from serie A to serie D;
• Identification of referees and VMOs who, due to technique, attitude and age, can aspire to a potential FIFA nomination;
• Improvement of English language for all referees;
It must be said, a very ambitious program.
Of course very hard for him to do all these things alone, and above all to follow each referee so closely. But it is a start, a figure like this, involving maybe other former referees, could develop and work hand in hand with the domestic national committees.
Orsato can improve other referee‘s English?? Rather the other way around I would say… :D
DeleteDaniele Orsato asked me to point out to you that it should be "other referees' English" instead of "other referee's English".
DeleteThank you Daniele
DeleteOT:
ReplyDeleteTottenham vs Liverpool
Ref:S.Attwell
85' Bergvall makes late foul,should be shown YC which would mean he gets RC.
Referee forgives him that.
86'Bergvall scores and Liverpool bench gets YC for protests.
What chain of event can one big mistake by ref bring.
Very clear missed YC with the reckless tackle made by player, also the direction from which he enters in contact with opponent. These are very objective mistake, but VAR can do nothing. Nevertheless, for a referee should be very easy to issue the card, this was surely not a difficult situation...
DeleteVery passive way of leading the match Real-Mallorca from De Burgos that contributed with their mini fight in last seconds and after the match.
ReplyDeleteTypical leniency,punishing only what is necessary and only comunicating with players.
2 cards,1 for protest ,1 for SPA but throughout the match situations with Rudiger and Muriqi,Vinicius and Maffeo and some other players could have been handled better.
There will be no talk about ref since Real won but very passive way and opting to issue cards only when neccesary.
If I didn't know from where is he,I would have said that this was typical South American style of handling the match.
Talking about South American referees 😀 they didn't always behave like that... analysis from the refereeing at Copa America 2011 in the link below (knockout games will be added over the course of January):
Deletehttps://mikaelreferee.blogspot.com/p/ca2011.html
FPF changing some names in the internal teams. Luciano Maia leaves João Pinheiro team and joins António Nobre. On the other way, Pedro Ribeiro leaves Nobre´s team and joins Pinheiro´s. Can it mean no confidence from UEFA on Luciano to handle the possible elite games? Remembering Pedro Ribeiro was the 2 AR of Artur Soares Dias when Rui Licinio retired.
ReplyDeleteBorussia Dortmund vs Bayer Leverkusen in the Bundesliga.
ReplyDeleteIn the last play of the first half, Stieler did not want to signal a clear pull inside the penalty area by the Dortmund player on Schick. The German referee still punished the Czech striker for protesting, but since it was a corner kick, it had all the elements for a penalty. In my opinion, it was a refereeing error.
Don‘t watch the game but what I can say is that in Germany, there is a tendency to only whistle very, very blatant cases of holding. IMO not comparable to what we would expect in UEFA matches.
DeleteMy impression was that the attacker was pushing first in the situation, so in case of an OFR, the best decision would have been a Dortmund free kick IMO.
DeleteIt is for these and other reasons that the UEFA refereeing committee no longer trusts Stieler since Atalanta vs Real. And he was not even called up for the Euro in his own country.
DeleteLincoln, check the video posted by Euro Soccer Referee above, about the specific incident.
DeleteMinute 00:28. This is the first action of the challenge between players, and who commits it? See...impossible for considering this one a clear penalty and very good NO VAR intervention, referee had his reasons to play on. In other words, the (in my opinion strong) push on chest made by Leverkusen player before, caused the reaction. It wasn't an isolated action by defender. In that case, I think you would have been right.
Tremolada in great confusion in Lazio-Como: at first second YC not given to Pellegrini, then (maybe because he realized the mistake) second YC wrong to Tchouna
ReplyDeleteAll in all, not a good performance by Tremolada, with a few too many missed yellow cards (very noticeable the one not given to Gigot around the 15th minute). Wrong designation made by Rocchi: too difficult and delicate match for a referee who had not directed in Serie A for months
DeleteWrong appointment by Rocchi, after having left a long time the referee without a serie A game. Lazio always difficult to handle, even more in the game after having lost the derby.
DeleteHe could have got a game such as Genoa - Parma.
It was clear that he didn't have the confidence he had shown in the early matchdays of this season, when Rocchi had appointed him in serie A a few times.
Having said that, too evident mistakes to close the eyes.
Missed an "orange" card in 16' for a dangerous tackle in which player touched also the ball and this was why VAR checked for a possible red, but then stayed silent. One should discuss about this procedure, in these situations most of times you have more than YC and YC very mandatory, but if for VAR is OK no red card, in the end the big mistake on the pitch remains and that's absolutely not good, the player from Como was injured and he had to be replaced (Rocchi very attentive to such argument, so you can understand the assessment he will make).
To follow, a nightmare at the beginning of second half: at first missed YC to Pellegrini (lack of respect), the referee only assessed that it wasn't an immediate SPA, and also explained to players, but missed the blatant action (holding in a very blatant way while lying down, definitely a mandatory card for UEFA). In this regard, AR1, with very open view, didn't help referee. My idea is that some referees and also assistant referees don't struggle too much, at least the needed, to catch the detail that can help them. Some of thhem seem to be very far away from the UEFA world we know with codified yellow cards for clear reasons, that's not goof if you ask me. Among other things, Rosetti was yesterday in Coverciano for a lesson to serie A and B referees, with Orsato assuming his new role.
Then, the last incident, wrong second YC for reckless, and Lazio player sent off. The replay showed that it was rather home-team player to be hit by opponent, not the contrary, but well, in this case you can clearly explain a perception mistake (but stil, serious mistake). I think not directly seen by referee, who was not looking there, maybe (wrongly) reported by AR2.
Another very interesting argument would be the "forced" cooperation that Rocchi and his committee ask all referees for. Honestly, I don't see this in UEFA, the team-members intervene only when they are sure, while in Italy wih strict guidelines (an assistant referee is punished if he doesn't report even single yellow cards), we have the contrary outcome, officials afraid of missing something and, in doubt, they report everything, increasing the possibilty of a mistake with a wrong YC, sometimes a second one (that can't be solved by VAR, indeed we have several cases so far).
Here the incident from first half (missed foul):
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Ball before but then, a classic SFP.
The fact that ball is played before, rules out VAR. They check, but they can't intervene. Nevertheless, one can't accept this missed YC. Also because in penalty area, VAR would intervene. I'm the first person who wants to respect protocol, but in my opinion in such cases, they should change something.
BORUSSIA DORTMUND - BAYER 04 LEVERKUSEN
ReplyDeleteTobias Stieler, Christof Günsch, Frederick Assmuth, Florian Badstübner
[Robert Schröder, Franz Bokop]
19' Good onside by AR1 Günsch at Leverkusen's third goal
https://streambug.org/cv/4820aa
21' Possible YC Andrich (Leverkusen) for reckless use of arm
https://streambug.org/cv/849550
30' PAI impeding
https://streambug.org/cv/078cae
35' PAI tripping
https://streambug.org/cv/9ae3b9
45+3' PAI holding, YC Schick (Leverkusen) for dissent
https://streambug.org/cv/2d384f
47' Play-on in a SPA-DOGSO scenario
Deletehttps://streambug.org/cv/d59f3b
51' Possible YC Lührs (Dortmund) for reckless kick
https://streambug.org/cv/74c760
68' PAI tripping
https://streambug.org/cv/f1b9fb
75' [OFR] Penalty awarded for illegal use of arm, YC Tapsoba (Leverkusen) for reckless use of arm
https://streambug.org/cv/9701e9
79' Management of conflict after penalty scored, possible 2YC Tapsoba (Leverkusen) for UB
https://streambug.org/cv/c374e8
82' No delayed whistle for ball out of play, goal scored shortly afterwards - in case of mistake, VAR couldn't have intervened
https://streambug.org/cv/a58121
90+3' Possible YC Malen (Dortmund) for reckless kick
https://streambug.org/cv/657946
90+5' YC Nmecha (Dortmund) for SPA holding
https://streambug.org/cv/52b822
Thank you for the clips!!
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The game was originally assigned to Sascha Stegemann, which would have been his first Game involving Dortmund since his famous missed penalty in the title race of 2022/23. However it was reported that he was on a cold…
How would you guys rate Stieler's standing in UEFA at the moment?
DeleteBecause I disagree with Lincoln's post above and actually think that Stieler has had a good season so far, both domestically and on UEFA level. I have the feeling that UEFA at the moment trusts Stieler more than Siebert (and maybe even more than Zwayer??).
Very lenient style in this match missed plenty cards some on purpose and some he did not see maybe.
DeleteBut end of the 1st half is more penalty than not,if VAR is calling him for hand in the face penalty in 76,than for sure there are more material for penalty at the end of 1st half.
Average performance by one of top german refs.
I think he is on good way internationally. Still think the RC decision against Atalanta was just correct and his treatment afterwards was scandalous unless we don't know something. Such blackouts like in 82' won't help him though.
DeleteMy view is a little different from Jojo's. I don't consider Zwayer to be in a lower position than Stieler. At last year's Euros, Zwayer had great performances and left the tournament with a good approval from the committee. And it's worth mentioning that he is being considered to referee one of the finals this season (UCL or UEL).
ReplyDeleteYes, Zwayer should be clearly the German number one.
DeleteBetween Siebert and Stieler, it is less clear. Stieler has one CL game more this season, however Siebert's were more sonorous.
I am not a fan of Fabbri, but tonight he was excellent in a very difficult and important match (Torino-Juventus). Bravo
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