FC BAYERN MÜNCHEN (GER) - REAL MADRID CF (ESP)
Referee: Slavko Vinčić SVN
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaž Klančnik SVN
Assistant Referee 2: Andraž Kovačič SVN
Fourth Official: David Šmajc SVN
Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Johan Higler NED
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel NED
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas SCO
UEFA Delegate: Andrey Medintsev BUL
ARSENAL FC (ENG) - SPORTING CP (POR)
Referee: François Letexier FRA
Assistant Referee 1: Cyril Mugnier FRA
Assistant Referee 2: Mehdi Rahmouni FRA
Fourth Official: Stéphanie Frappart FRA
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert GER
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bram Van Driessche BEL
UEFA Referee Observer: Gylfi Þór Orrason ISL
UEFA Delegate: Angelo Chetcuti MLT
Looks like Vincic won’t be avoiding headlines this time…
ReplyDeleteAnd, like yesterday, you can continue here. Same scenario on the blog :)
ReplyDeleteWow, Guler assaulted the assistant referee at full time grabbing his left arm and trying to spin him, a disgrace.
ReplyDeleteWe could actually see one of Schärer, Eskas or Nyberg in a semi-final now.
ReplyDeleteThe attitude of Real Madrid and Barcelona is deplorable, but I believe a large part of the blame lies with UEFA for not defending its referees and giving so much power to certain clubs. It's impossible to referee under these circumstances, when the focus is on pleasing powerful clubs at all costs.
ReplyDeleteElite football is becoming increasingly corrupt.
A large part of it ,Tebas is to blame with his disrespect for the rest of European football
DeleteGo back and look Sweden Poland!!!!!
ReplyDeleteDon’t start.
DeleteI think :
ReplyDelete- Eskas (Atletico / Arsenal ) and Taylor (PSG / Bayern) for first matches
- Turpin (with again Atletico) and Nyberg in Munich
Your thoughts guys ?
Or Marciniak instead of Taylor if possible.
DeleteI agree with Taylor, but probably would favour a French in the first leg. I know it shouldn't matter, but I think less noise about a referee of a nation still left in the other side in a second leg is better all round
DeleteAgreed on Eskas.
DeleteBut if a Frenchman should get the other leg of that pairing, Eskas would need to get the return leg (due to PSG) - maybe too much for him?
And maybe Letexier a bit more likely in this scenario based on this week's performances.
Taylor and Nyberg are not impossible, but I wouldn't be a fan of that given their lack of appointments in the KO stage.
Instead I would prefer Schärer for one of the games.
For the second legs, I would still go with experience, i.e. with Kovacs and Vincic in spite of the QF events, because I don't see a good alternative. Makkelie in London maybe, but I would prefer to keep him as option for the final.
So for me
PSG - Bayern: Schärer / Kovacs
Atletico - Arsenal: Eskas / Vincic
No chance for Vincic and Kovacs, be sure ;). Letexier can handle the first leg in Madrid, Marciniak hopefully the second. PSG-Bayern is more difficult, Oliver or Taylor first, but likely Oliver. Second leg is a mystery, Mariani is my guess
DeleteI think Makkelie, Zwayer and Oliver must be kept out of the semifinals in order for them to be an option for the finals. If they are appointed in SF the Rosetti will play a very risky card. The Spanish media can and must be ignored. My preference is half of the ones Philipp has above. Taylor has more experience than Scharer who is a little inconsistent and I prefer Nyberg over Eskas.
DeletePSG - Bayern: Taylor, Kovacs
Atletico - Arsenal: Nyberg, Vincic
PSG - Atletico: Oliver
PSG - Arsenal: Zwayer
Bayern - Atletico: Oliver
Bayern - Arsenal: Makkelie
If UEFA means anything by their campaign "enough is enough", this is their moment to take action. I understand the frustration from Madrid, but the line was crossed!
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DeleteIn two days, an unimaginable nightmare has come true for Rosetti. Now, without even Vincic, who will referee the next matches? There is almost no one left. At this point, there is also the possibilty they will give the same referee a semifinal and even the final.
ReplyDeleteAgree ! I hope for Roberto that Marciniak can come back to whistle one of these matchs !
DeleteIt's a tainted end to the season for UEFA.
DeleteIt wouldn't be surprising if there's an emergency meeting between Ceferin, Rosetti, and everyone else in the next few days.
The entire balance is being questioned, and they're going to be put on the spot, especially by the Spanish newspapers.
PSG-Bayern: Alejandro Hernández.
ReplyDeleteMark my words.
To be honest he needs a big test before the World Cup.
DeleteRegarding Nerrazzuri, who asked for an assessment of Letexier. Not his very best performance. Generally a lenient approach, including when it came to handing out yellow cards. This was often not a bad thing, as it helped the flow of the game. However, particularly in the second half, there were some bizarre decisions regarding fouls and non-fouls that didn’t quite fit the pattern. He did, however, always maintain control of the match; no one challenged his authority over the crowd.
ReplyDelete*Nerazzuri
Delete+1 I agree Letexier wasn't flawless or near his own standards
DeleteThanks
DeleteVincic did not cover himself in glory which must suddenly end his career with a bittersweet night and might also go on to ruin his WC final hopes as he retires this year
ReplyDeleteFor the SF: My wish contains new names, such as Nyberg, Eskas or Schärer. But realistically we will see Makkelie, Vincic and/or Marciniak for Atléti–Arsenal. PSG-Bayern is harder to guess, because the former don't seem good option there. Probably the WC referees Hdz Hdz and Mariani? I would love to see fresh faces on the biggest stage at least in the first games...
ReplyDeleteIf Mariani is appointed after Liverpool match, it would be a scandalous bet. Never merit for a semi-final for him as Hernandez Hernandez neither.
DeletePSG - Bayern Hernandez Hernandez?
ReplyDeleteI think will happen…Not him? I bet on Taylor.
DeleteYeah I also fancy Taylor
DeleteThe behaviour of football players is terrible!
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't look pretty, but it's nothing unusual for a losing team. There are simply sanctions and you as the referee have to make decisions.
DeletePSG-Bayern / Bayern-PSG:
ReplyDeleteOliver / Mariani
Atletico-Arsenal / Arsenal-Atletico: Letexier / Marciniak
Mariana to have a second leg is ridiculous and embarrassing for UEFA neither a first leg will be deserving at least UEL will be realistic
DeleteArsenal atletico oliver turpin
DeletePsg bayern mariani marciniak
I think marciniak might grt bayern again despite the controversy
Ups Oliver can’t get arsenal
DeleteMaybe marciniak turpin and mariani oliver then
Real will successfully spin the post game narrative around a correct red card while they also profited from two incorrect goals.
ReplyDeleteScenes at final whistle: https://streambug.org/cv/36f2d2
ReplyDeleteAnd always Bellingham... 🙄
DeleteVinicius as well, his personality issues showing themselves always in these moments.
DeleteBetween this and Rudiger throwing stuff at De Burgos last year. Disgraceful.
DeleteGüler was sent off as he was heading to the locker room.
DeleteThe problem is Real Madrid and Barcelona are over protected in Spain ,with favourable referees ,that they can't handle it ,when they don't have control of the referee
DeleteWhy doesn't Peljto get a new chance?
ReplyDeleteAsk Rosetti, it’s a disgrace.
DeleteLuxembourg vs. Malta is proof of that. Analyze it and you'll see that it was a humiliation for the Bosnian. There's a silent lynching going on against Peljto.
DeleteYes, it seems that way to me too, we just don't know the reason, probably something private.
DeleteSecond yellow cards given in this manner pose the following questions:
ReplyDelete1) Should referees implement a higher threshold for sanctioning a player with a second yellow card than for sanctioning the same player, committing the same actions, with a first yellow card?
2) If the answer given above is "yes", should a referee, upon realizing the player had already been booked, choose not to rescind a second yellow card given for an offense reaching the threshold of a first yellow card but not the threshold for a second?
DB, you said when I posed these questions in the previous thread: "Even if yes to the first question, the optics of rescinding would be beyond poor, that it can't happen"
DeleteTwo further questions:
- Would the optics have been much worse than they are in this case, or with similar incidents, where it is clear the referee would not have shown a second yellow card intentionally?
- Isn't wrongfully sending off a player in a Champions League quarterfinal more important the the "optics", which are bad either way?
I think the optics are more disguised in this case, as a lot (including the UK broadcaster), seem to have completely missed the fact that he had forgotten. Maybe that's because DtR is punished more strictly in England, that this is seen as a normal, correct YC? So for that, I think he gets away with it. For other cases, then I also think it looks a lot less bad than rescinding it. Could easily lose all trust and authority doing that.
DeleteSecond question, if it's a correct YC, then it can't be an incorrect RC. Yes, in practice, there is a higher bar for a 2YC, but if in isolation a YC is right, then it can't be a wrongful RC, even if not optimal
Honestly i see huge troubles in sf appointments for rosetti.. one of the worst situations he has been in in a while
ReplyDeleteQuestion about the SF appointment policy: can referees from the nations involved by appointed to the opposite first legs? In other words, can Letexier/Turpin be appointed to the first leg of Atletico-Arsenal?
DeleteAt this point, I see Zwayer as a option for Atletico-Arsenal 1L…Hdz Hdz or Taylor getting the game in Paris and Marciniak in Munich…Makkelie with the 2L in London?
ReplyDeleteObviously, I’d like to see Nyberg, Eskas, Schärer in this stage…but knowing how RR works…I really don’t know…
DeleteI would like to see abdul azis's favorite 😁
DeleteI think Marciniak no more matches in European cups this season, he doesn't deserve it, semi should get the referee who is in form and in good shape, he only can rest to be in form at WC in summer. IMO final for Oliver/Zwayer (it depends on semi results) or neutral Makkelie.
DeletePSG-Bayern: Schärer/Oliver
ReplyDeleteAtleti-Arsenal: Letexier/Marciniak
Final: Makkelie
+1 agree with the second legs and final options in doubt with the first legs
Deletehttps://x.com/i/status/2044519690442101225
ReplyDeleteJudging by the Bayern players' desperation, it seems they were the ones who said he already had a yellow card.
Only the captain can speak with the referee!!!
ReplyDeleteAnd???
Only the captain can speak with the referee!!!
ReplyDeleteAnd???
I'm really curious to see what they will do with Vincic. The management is terrible, but the decision must be absolutely appreciated in terms of pure refereeing. So what to do? It reveals the style of a referee who has often avoided such decisions, and has always been right for himself (but not for refereeing, in my opinion...). Today the fate seems to have played a little or big joke on the Slovenian referee. Insteaf of managing a game, maybe, in the end, we can say it's better to officiate it and when it's YC, it's YC. When RC, RC. Stop.. maybe easy to say, but hard in reality!
ReplyDeleteReal Madrid and Barcelona arrogance is the issue ,they have always benefitted from favourable referees in Spain and expect the same from EUFA
DeleteI don’t understand why people are saying these two Champions League matchdays were so bad: three out of four games ended without any crucial mistakes, and aside from a few slip-ups by Turpin (in what was, after all, a difficult match), the refereeing wasn’t bad at all. Only Barcelona complained, but Barcelona complains even if they lose 125-0, so it doesn’t count. The only match in which the referee heavily influenced the result was Bayern-Real: Vincic aside, there’s no reason to complain
ReplyDeleteUltimately, the match defeated Slavko Vincic - who had handled the game in a very good manner* for the most part. You could see from about 75' onwards, the pressure was beginning to tell on the Slovenian official and he was starting to lose both his grip on the game and on his calls. Look at the scene at 79' when Mbappe was injured (in a no foul situation), Vincic even gets to the point of running next to the two players and killing the game dead with his whistle, before allowing play to continue because he could see that Bayern had a very good goal chance. This was extremely chaotic and not what a top referee should act like. I don't know if the 'balancing' got into his head (the 52' foul was called very, very clearly because he wanted to avoid trouble/allegations towards himself about a potentially questionable third Real goal after his decisions), but eventually this high pressure match wore him down. A local referee assessor once gave me a brilliant piece of advice which has always since stayed in my mind: 'never, ever give a yellow card out of annoyance'. The reason Vincic booked Cavavinga is because the pressure was telling on the Slovenian referee, and he lost his temper. The players understood exactly what happened and Vincic even restarted the game in a 'flux’, without having properly restored order and calmness. This is why Real's players acted in such a brazen manner after fulltime. Every time you let the game go out of your grip even a little bit (such as not awarding the clear freekick against Vinicius at 8', the ball was still in play(!), even if the warning itself was a masterclass), the pressure begins to increase on you. Ultimately, Vincic lost control of events on the FoP and his performance should be viewed as a failing one.
ReplyDelete(*it did look like no foul at 1-2 and even if Vincic missed the foul at 2-3, he could have sensed by intuition that something underhand had happened and ought to have stopped the game in a neutral area, but the period in which he had chance to do that quickly got away from him).
+1 well said Mikael W great analysis as always I relate with this explanation 100%
DeleteConsidering the main drivers for FIFA are ‘FairPlay’ and ‘Respect’, neither the greatest ref mistake can justify scenes as deplorable as those involving the RMA players tonight. Might 2nd YC have been supportable? Y/N, it doesn’t matter definitely…
ReplyDeleteThis is actually a nightmare now for SF appointments, Tou have big controversy but at the end no big mistakes for Turpin and Kovac, but some big mistakes and huge controversy for Vincic. Turpin and Letexier can only be appointed for a game with a team they just whistle, and you have Oliver or Taylor than can only ref 1 game with Arsenal going through. You don't know about Marciniak injury, if he will be ready or not, potentially compromising his WC. And you need to protect 3 referees for all the finals, or taking a risk by ''doing a Clattenburg''. So tbh i don't want to be at their position right now. Will probably see surprising stuff in the upcoming days/weeks.
ReplyDeleteWith Barcelona out, is Kovacs still an option, especially in the non-Spanish game? The frustration seems to be from Barcelona more than anything else. I'd like to think Uefa can ignore the noise coming from Spain only, and Kovacs can be an option in Paris or Munich
DeleteTbf if i'm at the refcom i'm going with Kovac and Turpin for ARS-ATL just to give a message and also bcose it's a good option.
DeleteI think kovacs might reappear in the end 😂
ReplyDeleteI saw ARSSPO: Letexier performed very very well, IMO. And with astonishing speed and athletic dynamism: if you are so near every playing action you will always be influential, whatever decision you make.
DeleteRosetti needs to select the strongest referees for discipline for the Arsenal vs Atletico Semis,owing to Simeone and Arteta both being know for underhand tactics and ill discipline.
ReplyDeleteFirst comment I post here—hopefully the first of many. Things are really heating up in Spain regarding Vincic’s performance; there are signs it could turn into a Kovacs 2.0 media wise
ReplyDeleteBy the way, Vincic has booked Kompany after 2-3 goal for Real and dissent. So Bayern coach will be suspended for the first match in Paris.
ReplyDeleteMateu Lahoz said on Spanish TV that the referee should not have sent off Eduardo Camavinga, considering that the incident did not give Real Madrid any advantage because Bayern Munich were not starting any promising attack and it happened 70 meters from goal. He also criticized it as the typical kind of card that Roberto Rossetti has been rejecting in UEFA meetings. Now, as a personal opinion, does anyone have any doubt that if it had been another player like Harry Kane, Kylian Mbappé, or Lamine Yamal (that is, higher-level players), he would not have been sent off?
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