2022-23 UEFA Champions League, Play-Offs, First Legs, games to be played on 16 August 2022.
16 August 2022
21:00 CET - Aspmyra, Bodø
Bodø/Glimt (NOR) - Dinamo Zagreb (CRO)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mark Borsch (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Jaroslav Dudl (CZE)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mark Borsch (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Jaroslav Dudl (CZE)
21:00 CET - Parken, Copenhagen
Copenhagen (DEN) - Trabzonspor (TUR)
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Peter Bennett (ENG)
Fourth Official: Robert Jones (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jarred Gavan Gillett (AUS)
UEFA Referee Observer: Gylfi Þór Orrason (ISL)
UEFA Delegate: Thibault De Gendt (BEL)
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Peter Bennett (ENG)
Fourth Official: Robert Jones (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jarred Gavan Gillett (AUS)
UEFA Referee Observer: Gylfi Þór Orrason (ISL)
UEFA Delegate: Thibault De Gendt (BEL)
21:00 CET - Ibrox, Glasgow
Rangers (SCO) - PSV (NED)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Luca Pairetto (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jørn West Larsen (DEN)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Luca Pairetto (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jørn West Larsen (DEN)
UEFA Delegate: Peter Lundström (FIN)
Allard Lindhout 4th official with Makkelie and two days later referee in Israël.
ReplyDeleteYep, unbelievable… 😅
DeleteWould have been easy to just appoint Kamphuis or Higler, indeed...
DeleteAVARs respectively:
ReplyDeleteMark Bosch
Jarred Gillett
Luca Pairetto
PREDICTIONS FOR TOMORROW
ReplyDeleteQarabag - Plzen: Felix Zwayer / Bastian Dankert (GER)
Dinamo Kiyv - Benfica: Clément Turpin / Jerôme Brisard (FRA)
Maccabi Haifa - Crvena Zvezda: István Kovács (ROU) / Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Kovacs after Sofia???
DeleteAre you referring to this?
Deletehttps://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/levski-sofia-want-Hamrun-tie-replayed-referees-technical-error.974225
Yes
DeleteIs this a normal treatment for Makkelie, after he had to fly all the way to Chisinau, now he has to fly to Bodø, near the Arctic Circle. Also VAR is not the Dutchman, Van Boekel or another Dutchman, why must use VMO from Germany? If I remember correctly, Gozubuyuk was also assigned there in the UECL last season, is this similar to the Portuguese team with the Spanish referee?
ReplyDeleteMost likely a late replacement because Dutch referees rarely have non-Dutch VMO’s.
DeleteYes. Could be of course that Van Boekel is on a well-deserved vacation, after the women EURO, the EL final and with the World Cup coming. But well, Kamphuis or Higler are trusted VAR's also. It seems trange to have Makkelie suddenly with Fritz. I would expect it's a replacement indeed.
DeleteHow do you know that a referee is on holidays?
DeleteI don't. But look at the summer of Van Boekel....
DeleteThough, some Dutch referees have instagram and can be followed on there.
Attwell back on VAR then…
ReplyDeleteSuperCup seems a rather convinient simultaneous 'warning shot' to PGMOL VARs + reward for good Women's EURO VMOs (esp. after pre-determined finalist Valeri blew the 1H intervention at Wembley).
DeleteFA is too powerful, especially in current UEFA(!), to be kept down :)
I expected another chance for English VARs, play off and the context of the game, with the two teams involved can allow that, but... at the first next evident mistake I think it could be full game over. It was indeed impossible to think that English VAR wouldn't have been appointed anymore. Let's see if Attwell can do something better, the best thing is always if VAR is not involved, this is valid for all games, of course...
DeleteThe management of Oliver from both PGMOL and UEFA is a very weird one: Sunday-Wednesday-Saturday-Tuesday. This definitely could've been avoided.
ReplyDeleteYep it really could, no need for him to do villa vs Everton. Gillett could have done it
DeleteHONDA : Finally, Oliver is also making his mark in Europe
ReplyDeleteRob Jones for a fifa badge? Surely Gillett is first.
ReplyDeleteI like Gillet a lot and hoppe he get the FIFA badge.
DeleteAlso hopping to see again Bob Madly in the Premier League.
Not sure England had any spare slots (already 10 FIFA refs and noone due to come off). They should make an exception for Gillet, make him number 11 as it seems a shame to waste his experience and he is simply returning to the international list. Wonder if next one will be John Brooks anyway (ex FIFA AR)?
DeleteI'm quite sure if Gillett had stayed in Australia he would have been competing with Chris Beath for the refereeing spot in Qatar.
DeleteJarred Gillett once was a FIFA referee under Australia flag (he refereed the AFF Championship, my country had a bad memory of him 😂😂)
DeleteHe let go his FIFA badge when he moves to England
Yes Rob Jones might be next in line for FIFA referee. He was involved a lot in UEFA matches at the beginning of 22/23
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyIM1JtitCY, 30 y.o Jarred Gillett in full house stadium (30.000)
DeleteTierney and Coote can remove their badges doing everyone a favour.
Delete@Chefren....just a question....maybe for the easy reading off the blogg/topics....many discussions about local (let's say Italy competition, or Dutch competition) are made in the topic's about Europa, or Champions League, isn't it an idea to just start a topic "local competitions discussions", or something like that? I really like the blogg, but sometimes the subject changes from one to another:-)
ReplyDeleteMaybe others have suggestions?
A question for the English readers of the blog/Premier league followers in general. How do you see the prospects for current English Fifa-refs and those just behind them (Gillett, Jones, Brooks etc). I’m also interested to hear about the younger talents (for example Bramall just promoted) in the EFL.
ReplyDeleteSeems that it’s a trend that some referees got Fifa listed quite early after promotion to the PL (Bankes, England, Madley A, Coote). However as discussed above there is no free spots coming up soon.
Taylor is 43 and has still some years and hopefully a big final upcoming. Very trusted in Uefa but strong English teams might block the important appointment. Oliver (37) has still a lot to achieve and the Supercup final was an indication of that. Has Pawson (43) reached his peak? Attwell is 39 and Tierney 41 and they have been used as mainly VAR:s. To be honest I don’t see potential in them to go much further as main referees. Possibly a swap for the younger generation in the near future taking account the problems for English VAR:s recently? How are they doing in Prem? Kavanagh was under big focus but then something happened? Does he have elite potential?
Then there’s Bankes, Coote, England and Madley all promoted recently. Personally I see potential only in England and Madley but could I be wrong? However the gap between Oliver/Taylor and the others is huge. There is no indication who will be the next Elite from England.
Like discussed Gillett, Jones and Brooks seem to be the frontfunners for Fifa in the next years. Then who are the upcoming refs in EFL?
Im interested to hear opinions, thanks in advance!
- Mike
Kavanagh is a decent ref but will never make it as a VAR. He is too incident prone, Rodri and handball and Liverpool vs Spurs the evidence.
DeleteFIFA: Pawson is okay and fine at Cat.1, I'd lobby for quite good Tierney to join him there, replacing ultra-mediocre Kavanagh; Madley has quite good personality skills but technical shortfalls are too much for this referee, Coote/Bankes could reach 1st maybe but not more, England is quite poor and a bad nomination IMO. Attwell is an interesting case, properly coached he could (have) reached sth, but now he handles games like Kulbakou and lost it. His big chance was in former spell as FIFA referee, really.
DeleteProspects: Jones will be favoured by PGMOL but is way too passive IMO, Gillett is considered top but is basically overrated (direct copy of solid-but-not-more Mark Shield) however should get FIFA status, still quite good; big hopes are on Brooks (typical English manager), and, for me especially Salisbury (incidents-focused Siebert style), the latter could be TOP given time; haven't watched Bramall yet, Harrington is a nice man but perhaps weakest SG1 of all. Finally: Marriner is (well) past it but still presents some qualities, and Hooper/Scott are reliable non-FIFAs whom I like, the latter particularly should have gotten more tbh.
The problem is that the PGMOL promote these refs and then do not give them opportunities to develop. I understand that rushing them in can have a negative impact but to be given 3/4 games as the likes of Brooks, Harrington and Salisbury were last season in their first year is just not sufficient for development. Based on recent trends we might not see Brammall given his debut for weeks!
DeleteThere’s no point really discussing Oliver/Taylor as we know their fantastic abilities both in the league and for UEFA/FIFA.
Marriner is of course reliable but not relevant for FIFA anymore given the age.
Pawson is interesting, I think last year he was a really safe pair of hands, but I think he will never go past Cat 1. He is reliable but I think there’s more tendency for a mistake in him than there is in the Elites.
Mikael W, I respectfully disagree about Tierney. Watching him last season he is a very weak referee who was given games far too big. Last season I remember him having LIV-MCI (biggest possible game at the minute), in which he missed a stonewall 2nd YC for Milner. He had TOT-LIV and missed a stonewall RC for Kane and missed a stonewall penalty on Jota. He then had TOT-ARS and gave a very soft penalty. The decision was supportable but given his lack of penalties on other occasions it was unexpected. Even last week he missed a stonewall penalty in MNU-BRI. These are just a few examples of poor decisions, and they all have in common that they favoured the home team. I never like to disrespect referees as I know how hard the job is but even on another blog I read many readers were questioning how he keeps getting appointments.
Kavanagh looked exciting but a combination of poor performances both on the pitch and VAR, as well as injuries, have stopped his progress. I think we may see a similar trajectory to Pawson, a trusted ref but one who won’t quite reach the top. That said, Pawson is certainly the better ref.
I think the focus should be on Madley, for me he’s the ‘best of the rest’. Still young and seems a strong character who is starting to enjoy better appointments. Hopefully this season we can see him get even more big games and who knows, he could be the next Cat 1.
I class Coote, Bankes, England, and Attwell on a similar level. Could be trusted with a big game here and there but not reliable yet, and until we see much more of them in the PL it’s impossible to discuss their FIFA progression. As mentioned, Attwell is probably limited also by his poor VAR showings.
I think Jones and Gillett would be next consideration for FIFA listing if a spot becomes available. I agree that the hype around Gillett is somewhat premature, although personally I see a talented referee who can use his experience to progress. Jones still has too many mistakes in him and needs to work on his positioning, but there is certainly potential.
Hooper is slept on. He was dreadful in his first PL season, he wasn’t fit enough. However, since then, I think he’s been impressive and is becoming a safe pair of hands. However, I can’t see him reaching FIFA level unless maybe 3 spots become available, because I think there is more focus on Gillett and Jones. But I must stress that Hooper is underrated.
It’s too early to speak on Harrington, Brooks, Salisbury and Brammall, let’s hope they get more games (probably when Riley leaves) and then we can judge.
Only a few years ago, I never thought we’d be discussing competition for English places on the FIFA list with a choice of people available. Started with Hackett - dreadful, non-existent forward planning meant we were down to 6/7 refs at one point, with no one possible to join who met the criteria (even if they were good enough). Never should be allowed to happen in a bigger league / FA. Same refs given all the games and no forward thinking. Thankfully better now, although the issue with Riley is the inexplicable lack of appointments for the new/newer refs. Impossible to impress or get into a rhythm on 4 games a season!
DeleteTaylor and Pawson are 43. If the fifa rules I believe are correct. They have to retired aged 45 or take additional tests meaning 2 spots will come available in 2024. Gillett I really haven't seen anything that screams FIFA over tbe last 2 seasons however I would say Jones will get it over Jarred atm
DeletePretty sure that Makkelie is a replacement. Here is why:
ReplyDelete-German VARs
-Lindhout’s crazy schedule
-The observer Bianchi was recently paired with Makkelie in June (Scotland - Ukraine).
Perhaps he replaces Zwayer / Siebert?
Siebert has a 1st leg Europa League on Thursday. Could be replacing a not-German referee as well.
DeleteYes, that’s right. Fritz and other German VMO work a lot with non-German referees. :)
DeleteIt could be possible. I heard Kovacs had a game with problems in Sofia. He is the first names that comes in my mind as he worked many time with Fritz. Siebert, Zwayer or Peljto other referees that might have been replaced.
DeleteAnyone know what happened in Sofia (Kovacs)?
Deletehttps://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/levski-sofia-want-Hamrun-tie-replayed-referees-technical-error.974225
DeleteClearly no replacement for Peljto or Siebert, because both are (and were originally) appointed in Europa League this week. Kovacs or Zwayer could be replaced though.
DeleteI think Kovacs has been replaced by Makkelie.
DeleteWe can assume that Makkelie was given a play-off game himself, given his status. Do you think we will see Makkelie twice or will he be replaced by someone as well?
Delete@WR: assuming that committee replaced Kovacs, this is a last-minute change after his game last week (on Thursday 11th). The easiest solution is to move a 2nd leg referee to the 1st leg in Bodo. This might leave an open spot for a return game, however they have plenty of time to find another replacement - or they can decide to assign one referee twice, indeed.
DeleteAbout Kovács: https://youtu.be/ow7YA9ePm38
DeleteUsers who criticised him - any other incidents we should look at?
I think it's a very rare incident, apart from the end result was fatal (the aggrieved team was eliminated), I'm at a loss as to how to react, very unlucky for Kovacs (and his assistants) not to see the player. Can VAR annull something like that if there is VAR?
DeleteI mean wouldn't that be the first time a goal was disallowed because of that if there was VAR
DeleteVAR can't check restarts so no they wouldn't be able to rectify this error
DeleteThis goal for Tottenham is a total disgrace! Clear, obvious foul before the goal, very easy to detect and big mistake from Taylor. After that, attacker that was offside obstructed the view of goalkeeper. But who was in the VAR room! Mike Dean, famous by enormous number of mistakes during his long career. So what we could expect from him? Another big mistake of course!
ReplyDeleteHe had zero effect on the goalkeepers ability to play the ball. No offside.
DeleteHow it’s possible from VAR and Taylor to let Romero punched his opponent by HAIR without RC and goal after…Unbelievable !
ReplyDeleteOT: Anthony taylor with an absolute mediocre performance in chelsea v spurs
ReplyDeletePoor match from Taylor,no control at all and his decisions and no VAR check decided final result.
ReplyDeleteVery poor poor performance by Taylor…
DeleteCant believe that pundits are praising him for letting to be mens game.
DeleteThere is thing as letting enough,and letting too much and Taylor let the game too much,didnt blow the whistle as much as he should and as a result he got things to boil over.
Pundits don’t know anything at all about refereeing. They really don’t know anything about football either. Whatever they say about a referee it’s usually the opposite.
DeleteHopefully we've seen the worst performance of a refereeing team of the year, Taylor. The FA must punish such a poor performance. Also, a certain Mike Dean in the VAR room, that guy should have quit football years ago.
DeleteAnother anonymous comment with no clue. Mike Dean couldn’t do a lot other than recommend a red card. The first one, no foul isn’t incorrect as there is a touch on the ball. Also, it’s too far back and not part of the same phase. For me it should be a red card but I can see why he hasn’t gone red. Taylor cannot be expected to see that.
DeleteTaylor was horrendous today so was Dean, foul and offside for the first goal, Romero should of been off for pulling Cucurella's hair in build up to 2nd goal, neither goal should of counted, he reffed us against Palace last week and was alright but i hope he isn't on another Arsenal game this season, Oliver is the best referee in the prem and should get the more higher profile prem and European games over Taylor going forward
DeleteAfter one bad game, are you serious?
DeleteAs expected, often when referees make mistakes in super big matches, there will be a lot of wild comments circulating, hopefully experts like Chefren, Euro Soccer Ref, Mikael, etc on here can give their objective opinion on Taylor's performance at CHE-TOT.
Delete@Eliot never thought he was a good ref
Deletehttps://twitter.com/shumanskoo/status/1558362327237509120
ReplyDeleteThe referee was Istvan Kovacs.
04:10
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-BPrmJ9xGc
Also here: https://youtu.be/ow7YA9ePm38
DeleteUsers who criticised Kovács - are there other situations we should review? Besides the scene highlighted by Chefren, I couldn't find any mention of any decision by the officials in even extended reports about the game in Bulgarian media.
I think the game will not be repeated and the official complaint by Bulgarian team will be rejected, but a significant mistake that in reality can't be denied. Would have been interesting to know in case of a game with VAR, but I think impossible to intervene here on a rather technical issue.
DeleteIndeed it was a significant mistake, but it was also unlucky for Kovacs and perhaps his very senior AR 1, Marinescu. I just hope the "suspend" for Kovacs who maybe should have appointed in the playoffs doesn't spoil all his career this season, especially for the World Cup. He's still a very good referee
DeleteSo unlucky for Kovacs. If I understand correctly, Hamrun scored the 2-1 in minute 90+2 - leading to a 30 minute extension with no goals, therefore PK to be taken. And in the end Hamrun won.
DeleteHate to say it, but top refs shouldn’t officiate games without VAR. There is already a shortage of ‘safe pair of hands’ and errors like this can seriously damage their careers (at least on short term..)
Although VAR can’t intervene here, but still…, its a big risk
Delete@Mikael I did not see the game but there is one more moment that need to be discuss. It was cut from some highlights but the very last penalty was actually repeated. Undoubtedly, the decision is correct itself as the goalkeeper was not on the goal line but what surprised me is that AR Artene did not raise the flag and only did some strange hand gestures. I thought the procedure is to raise the flag up, I hope I am not mistaken.
DeleteYes, these are the games in which you, Elite referee, have everything to lose and nothing to gain. If you show a good performance and the context is difficult also because without VAR, you can just be at an expected level. In this case VAR wouldn't have intervened, but still to me such things are more frequent to happen in certain contexts, even more because wirhout VAR. A referee must be more than alert during every second, because a small distraction is enough to ruin everything and indeed...
DeleteJust as speculation, if Kovacs was the name for Bodo game, I think that committee wanted to be sure by avoiding any possible controversy in case of positive outcome of the appeal by Bulgarian team. Impossible to officiate a CL game meanwhile. If this is the reason, very likely Romanian will have to wait for a while before getting next assignment in UEFA.
100% agree Chefren.
DeleteRegarding Lindhout’s crazy management/ schedule - I think we may see Gozubuyuk on Wednesday with full Dutch crew. That would explain the lack of “other” options besides Lindhout
Thanks Matei. About Artene procedure, is normal for linesmen to only communicate that offence using comms kit only, in order to avoid mobbing (during normal play).
DeleteWhat has happened to Chris Kavanagh? Have not seen him been given any PL assignments first 2 weekends.
ReplyDeleteOn holiday after women's Euro's
DeleteHe was VAR at the Women’s Euros (unsuccessfully) so probably has some time off after that, I’m only guessing but I think we’ll see him back in the PL in the next 2-3 game weeks
Delete-KR
I can’t lie, the comments about Taylor are slightly over the top. He doesn’t deserve the levels of criticism, yes Romero should be off but apart from that no MAJOR issues, the reason for boiling over was the childish acts from managers. It also doesn’t help that Chelsea fans hated him before the game and will forever claim there is an “agenda” against them when Taylor is involved.
ReplyDeleteNo major issues? Bentancur and hojberg should have a yellow card each at least.
DeleteThe initial comment is clearly tinged with a biased view toward Taylor. It reads like a typical apologist comment using the "big picture" and "no major issues" narrative to justify a poor performance.
DeleteNo doubt that Taylor is a capable referee. But this was pretty bad. There's no shame in criticizing a referee when he's had a bad game. Which in this case is the general consensus amongst those who post on the blog.
To use those neanderthal match commentators to suggest that Taylor had a good match is laughable. I'd rather watch a match with the sound muted if the commentators are British. In their eyes, nothing is ever a foul. And if something isn't broken or bleeding, the card is "too harsh". I'm like, stop living in the past (80's 90's).
DeleteI completely agree with the initial comment. Taylor was accepted by all for the first hour, the first major flashpoint that kicked it off was himself and AR1 deeming no foul before the Tottenham equalizer. Personally, I agree, I think it was ball first with no unreasonable follow through. Yes, an argument could be made for Richarlison being offside, however he is not directly in the line of sight, so can see both arguments for this. The only real error in the match was not disimissing Romero for Violent Conduct for forcefully pulling hair, but for me 99% of the blame must be on the VAR Dean, Taylor was focussing on tussles where the ball was being played, which is entirely reasonable. These off the ball incidents should be where VAR shines by being a real aid to the referee and it is unfortunate that wasn't the case.
DeleteOT
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/ZnN6aoRnQ58
Red card SFP by Makkelie at 5:15
The charge looks nastier every time I watch it. The typical ankle-breaker.
DeleteGlad they didn’t need VAR for this. 4O had the best view, I think.
Well done by the referee. Protect the players!
DeleteThat's such a disgusting challenge! Absolutely no care shown for the physical well-being of a fellow footballer. The player's intention is targeted at solely trying and inflict harm upon his opponent. This is the type of crap football that we as referees need to do our part to eliminate from the game.
I wholeheartedly hope that the innocent victim is not seriously injured.
PSV-player was substituted a few minutes after the charge. He couldn't continue. During the break, the GAE-player went to the dressing room of PSV and made his excuses. PSV coach appreciated this is a lot.
DeleteIt was the player his first RC ever. He didn't want to hurt him.. Let's call it an accident and very bad-timed tackle.
He made excuses for doing something so despicable? He should have apologized.
DeleteI hope that the disciplinary committee shows him no leniency and he gets a very much deserved lengthy ban.
Translated from Dutch, 'making your excuses' actually does mean apologising. The player apologised in the PSV dressing-room at half-time and was praised by the PSV coach. After the match, the player apologised on TV as well.
DeleteThank you for the clarification. Good on the player for doing that. However, he made a choice and he must now face the consequences.
DeleteThanks for clarifying my crappy English :)
DeleteMakkelie appears rather good at spotting these slightly unorthadox SFP offences, especially involving studs into the leg above the ankle with force. Reminds me of Liverpool Atleti this year, a red maybe wasn't immediately expected as the tackle 'appeared' more innocent, but is clearly correct on review
DeleteUEFA didn't agree with the Atleti's straight red according to the RAP. :)
DeleteThe charge of GA Eagles player is different - higher speed and force.
They didn't? That's interesting to know, thanks! I thought that was a really brave but good decision tbh
DeleteAs well as Taylor’s game, Rob Jones had Forest - West Ham yesterday and it wasn’t the easiest game. VAR: Michael Salisbury.
ReplyDeleteYouTube highlight link:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U7NkwoYTi_Q
Firstly, Min 44 (00:35 in video) goal disallowed after OFR. Push off the ball by attacker, deemed as a clear foul. I think Jones should really have spotted this and whistled, which would have been the best outcome, because there are arguments to say that even though foul is probably correct, it may not be VAR stuff. Personally I think intervention was correct given raised arms by attacker, what do we think?
Min 63 (02:24 in video) penalty awarded after OFR. YC to defender. Again, Jones might be disappointed he didn’t see this. Clear handball, therefore good but mandatory VAR intervention and OFR. However, YC was issued and the reason is surely because the GK is right behind the defender and probably would have saved it. However, I prefer RC, as I personally think there is still (even small) chance the GK would not have saved it which is therefore DOGSO.
Thoughts on both situations?
-KR
For PGMOL, both decisions taken were correct. Personally, I'd prefer the goal to be allowed (though in Salisbury's case, would intervene as he did), and come on, the penalty has to be a RC - WTF are we doing if a defender can make a flying goalkeeper save inside the goal area, and NOT be sent off! :D
DeleteAnother PL scene btw, Mitrović should have been sent off at the end of Wolves vs. Fulham:
https://streamable.com/o20vsp
Jones didn't have his best game. 3 VAR interventions including 2 lengthy OFRs didn't help matters. The push I thought was a foul live, but much less so on the replays. For me, two people ran into each other, the defender changed his path to block Antonio, who put his hands up to try and stop himself. The safe decision would be to give the foul, but I don't think it is and am much less convinced that this is VAR stuff.
DeleteThe penalty is a penalty, and I thought penalty and RC DOGSO initially. However, the keeper isn't just close, it looks highly likely he would save it (to me). If we use the argument defensive cover can mitigate DOGSO to SPA, even if unlikely to help stop the goal, then having the keeper completely behind the ball in a position to save it is enough for this to be a yellow - just. Although I would be interested to see others views on this
Always RC.
ReplyDeleteMitrovic was running +30m (!) behind his opponent, only with the intention to eliminate him
On the dutch website vi.nl is a article in which Deniz Aytekin explaines how to create extra time for the VAR to asses situations. Aytekin give a interview to the german soccer magazine kicker.
ReplyDeleteAccording to the article it is normal in Germany that VAR decissions are taken quick and within a certain time. Since Aytekin in the match Eintracht Frankfurt - Bayern Munich knew that the VAR of duty needed more time to asses a penalty situation he walked towards a player of Bayern (Upamecano) and gave him a verbal warning. After the player reacted that he didn't do anything Aytekin could explain that he needed this action to buy time for the VAR. After this was accepted by Upamecano the VAR had assesed the situation and the match could resume.
source: https://www.vi.nl/nieuws/duitse-arbiter-verzint-overtreding-om-tijd-te-rekken-in-bayern-duel
Personally a strange article. It could be trough and very clever, but I would assume that you than don't explain the trick in the press. On the other hand I thought that referees in germany aren't allowed to give an interview to the media. Is there any news on this in Germany?
Yes, Aytekin gave an interview to Kicker and said that.
DeleteI'm not sure where you heard that referees here aren't allowed to give interviews. Referees appear quite a lot in media nowadays here. Podcasts, TV talkshows, interviews in general... They usually give interviews after matches as well if they get asked (recently Brych and Aytekin on MD1 and Willenborg on MD2) and will explain things that were unclear.
Agree with Anonymous‘ answer. There is no such restriction in respect to interviews with media. German referees talk very openly with media, even more than in the last season. There are several podcasts, Instagram live videos, documentations and 'conventional' interviews with and even by referees. DFB puts a focus on a more media-friendly approach, trying to be far more transparent. Totally different to UEFA and FIFA indeed.
DeleteWho has the most challenging game on paper?
ReplyDeleteMichael Oliver
DeleteOrsato. Not Any doubt
DeleteYe 100% Orsato
DeleteOliver in the first half
DeleteGood advantage played by Oliver immediately before 1:0 Copenhagen
ReplyDeleteVery good opening 20 minutes for Oliver in a tight and physical game
DeleteFrom the 3 matchs, the Copenhagen-Trabzonspor is by far the mos intense (in the first half).
DeleteGood first half from Oliver!
Judging from the scenes in Copenhagen, 2nd leg in Trabzon will be a heated one. Must send Marciniak to handle this
DeleteNo reckless in Scotland at 26th minute on advantage?
ReplyDelete27th minute PK check for HB in Rangers. Arm is unnaturally placed, but the VAR determined the contact to be on the upper arm.
ReplyDeleteFor me a punishable handball. Maybe the VAR was not 100% sure where it hit the arm. But it was very unnatural position (split seconds before) and IMO it hits the denfender on the arm, not the shoulder.
DeleteGood half from Orsato, there was potential for a YC in minute 26 but not necessary, players accepting all decisions
ReplyDeleteMuch more for Oliver to do tonight than in the Super Cup. So far, in control, two expected cautions, and some excellent advantages played. Also did well to spot and alert medics to an issue in the crowd, hope whoever was ill is okay
ReplyDeleteMinute 58' Orsato gave a clear advantage by making arm gesture, but then when he realized no advantage possible, he returned back to foul. This shouldn't be done, he had to avoid the advantage gesture, nobody would have complained.
ReplyDeleteDo not know why but this seem to be very common. Referee should wait for advantage to take place and signal it only after that happens. Once the advantage is signaled, there is no going back...
DeleteI have to say i’ve really liked Orsato’s sign language in making the players know why he’s given each decision
ReplyDeleteRC missed by Orsato in minute 73'. Difficult to detect live but VAR should intervene. Deliberate punch in the head, ball nowhere close.
ReplyDeletedid Irrati even look at it?
DeleteI agree, can't believe Irrati didn't flag it
DeleteIf it would have been the head, then 100% RC. It seemed to be the higher back or neck though, and then, according to Uefa guidelines, excessive force / brutality lacks I guess.
DeleteVery suprised that there wasnt even a official VAR check
DeleteIncidents in Rangers-PSV
Delete27’ Handball incident
https://files.fm/u/u598tkfq9
72’ Potential violent conduct
https://files.fm/f/g72d38khk
Potential ? Clear one i would say ! Is Irrati sleeping during this violence ?
DeleteNot a RC based on brutality / force…
DeleteFor me, VAR should have intervened. This was a clear intentional punch, unlike for example Alonso vs. Lewandowski (Turpin was referee, gave RC after OFR) https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q1uvjM9rIWw
DeleteSome people tend to forget that intention is not enough for a VC. Excessive force or brutality required by law. Turpin situation assessed as grey area by the way, so incorrect VAR-intervention back then.
DeleteWhen you are deliberately striking someone in the back, near or at the head area, and off-the-ball... ANY force could/should be excessive. And given the apparent pain caused here, I think the brutality standard is also easily met.
DeleteWhat are people actually arguing here? That was only a "reckless strike" and therefore not clearly violent conduct? I mean, come on. That's ridiculous.
The referee community has completely lost the plot on this stuff. VAR was introduced to STOP this sort of behavior. One of the arguments in favor of VAR was that players wouldn't commit stupid violent acts like this because they would know the cameras would catch them and they'd be punished. But competition authorities and referees are so scared of having too many red cards that they twist themselves in knots to reason violent conduct isn't actually CLEAR violent conduct. And you end up with referees like Orsato telling the PSV players something like "I didn't see, but don't worry, they will check" (I'm sure that is almost exactly what Orsato said because I have heard it sooooo much on VAR audio... I'm also sure it's what Taylor told Chelsea players over the weekend). The "don't worry, they will check" is becoming laughable for players because they are told things will be checked, then nothing happens, and then post-match they all see what really happened.
I can follow your wordings however, one small nuance. We shouldn’t forget the opposite: since the introduction of VAR, players go down “easy” and lay on the pitch for a longer time, exaggerating BECAUSE the var is watching. For this reason, I tend to agree that we need the excessive force criterium, but how to apply this, where to draw a line. I’m lost tbh.
DeleteHere, Usaref is 100% right. As refereeing blog, we must underline this issue again and again. How UEFA has started to manage some violent conducts as only yellow card is unacceptable, but all is related to the fact that clubs have gained more authority than past and refereeing now must stay in the background, a referee is not free to do what he thinks it's the best decision, he must always find a compromise because show must go on. There is simply 0% of logic when you assess a DELIBERATE attempt to hurt opponent, only based on the intensity.
DeleteIMO the line should be between punches and pushes. Punches must always be a RC, while pushes can be YC unless they are very forceful (or if RC is better for game management).
DeleteAround 85' the one notable incident in the Danish capital. A borderline YC/RC challenge punished with a yellow with some off-the-ball pushing before the tackle continuing after it. Two booked for that, with Lerager possibly lucky to avoid a second yellow. Overall, a good game of football helped by Oliver's officiating, he can be happy with that. His style fitted the game well and he was accepted throughout
ReplyDeleteO.T. does anybody know the assignments of the OFC champions league ? Tomorrow final will be officiates by Yareboinen. What about the other previous matches?
ReplyDeleteSemifinals
DeleteAuckland City – Central Coast
Referee: Norbert Hauata (TAH, photo)
Assistant Referee 1: Bertrand Brial (NCL)
Assistant Referee 2: Folio Moeaki (TGA)
Fourth Official: David Yareboinen (PNG)
Reserve AR: Bernard Mutukera (SOL)
AS Venus – Hienghene Sport
Referee: Matthew Conger (NZL)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Rule (NZL)
Assistant Referee 2: Isaac Trevis (NZL)
Fourth Official: Campbell Kawana-Waugh (NZL)
Reserve AR: Veer Singh (FIJ)
Source: RefereeingWorld
FINAL , full appointment
DeleteAS Venus – Auckland City
Referee: David Yareboinen (PNG, photo)
Assistant Referee 1: Bernard Mutukera (SOL)
Assistant Referee 2: Folio Moeaki (TGA)
Fourth Official: Veer Singh (FIJ)
Reserve AR: Bertrand Brial (NCL)
As for the group stage, check here (click on Report (OFC) under each game's result):
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_OFC_Champions_League_group_stage
Interesting that the AR reserve in the semi-finals is 4th official in the final, is this due to a shortage of referees that they should be capable to do both?
DeleteHow was Makkelie doing?
ReplyDeleteI've just watched the game and I can report an excellent performance by Makkelie.
DeleteAlthough the game was indeed fair and not much demanding, he really impressed me. Even in such matches, you can see if the referee is in good form or not. And I can say Makkelie was in his best form today.
Full focus, some excellent (really!) advantages, almost every single (non-)FK decision correct, brilliant positioning, etc. He was hugely respected by players who accepted everything on the pitch.
And I saw something more: he learned a lesson from the Donnarumma incident (or rather how he was treated by UEFA for following their instructions) and played it safe by whistling defensive free kicks in 74' (GK v attacking player) and 90' (attacking player's foul vs handball by defending player).
Of course, most likely nobody outside refereeing circles will notice that, but the game looked like that mainly thank to Makkelie's display.
@ESF: That observation with regard to the goalkeeper is interesting. In the PSG game, the applied physical line was incredibly high (with as result the most entertaining R16 match imo). If Makkelie whistled the Donnarumma contact, he made a not-consistent fool of himself cause he didn't whistle such contacts around the middle circle either...
ReplyDeleteI haven't seen the Bodø game yesterday, but I can imagine that the physical line throughout this game was a bit lower, compared to the PSG game?
In general, I'm wondering what are the new guidelines for this season. Worth mentioning are the early yellow cards. I've seen many referees issuing an early YC.
Is there any offside prior to CPH 1-0? Is the attacking player blocking the view of GK. In my opinion, he doesn't (I am a fan of Trabzonspor) but most of Trabzonspor fans think otherwise ın social media. I don't have any video, maybe someone from the blog might help.
ReplyDeleteNo offside offence. The players is too far from goalkeeper, moving away from the ball and GK, not making any movement towards the ball nor obstructing the GK's line of vision.
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