English referee Michael Oliver in charge of Germany - Denmark, third game for him at the tournament.
Game 37, Round of 16
Dortmund, 29 June 2024 21:00 CET
Dortmund, 29 June 2024 21:00 CET
GERMANY - DENMARK
Referee: Michael Oliver ENG
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt ENG
Assistant Referee 2: Daniel Cook ENG
Fourth Official: Irfan Peljto BIH
Reserve Assistant Referee: Senad Ibrišimbegović BIH
Assistant Referee 2: Daniel Cook ENG
Fourth Official: Irfan Peljto BIH
Reserve Assistant Referee: Senad Ibrišimbegović BIH
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell ENG
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: David Coote ENG
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Massimiliano Irrati ITA
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Massimiliano Irrati ITA
UEFA Referee Observer: Costas Kapitanis CYP
Oliver makes an arrogant first impression by not looking at the young boy with the ball at the entrace but pointing with his finger
ReplyDeleteAnd a nerve tendon with his chewing gum. Man o man he is so nervous.
ReplyDeleteTrust me, he's not nervous. Always chewing
DeleteChain smoker?
DeleteReason of disallowed goal: missed due to replay. It happened again. This broadcaster at EURO is really a disgrace.
ReplyDeleteIt must have been Kimmich's 'basketball screen', Schlotterbeck did nothing wrong.
DeleteYes, block by Kimmich, it was shown in a replay later. Excellent decision for my taste.
DeleteCorrect decision. This was fully unfair blocking move.
DeleteWhat has he actually whistled? Something on the goalkeeper or the situation with Kimmich? Extremely quick VAR check tbh...
ReplyDeleteExcellent decision to disallow the goal for blocking, quickly confirmed by VAR.
ReplyDeleteBlock by Kimmich. Good decision
ReplyDeleteMany questionmarks here. Unclear body language, the block was not much if you ask me…
ReplyDeleteVery good on field decision by Oliver and this time efficiently cleared by Atwell.
ReplyDeleteAn off the ball incident, attacker blocked a defender. Oliver was close and he saw it, delaying whistle after goal scored, supportable, because in case of goal nobody would have put focus on that action.
ReplyDeletein case of "confirmed" goal, I meant
DeleteCorrect delaying the whistle.
DeleteI wathed all games of Oliver and his team and sorry but chewing gum for him and his AR2 is just not serious for this level. This is not sunday league and I dont agree with this.
ReplyDeleteGet a grip
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DeleteIt’s a matter of personal taste, I admit. But I do agree with GRef, the impression it gives is one of disinterest to me.
DeleteA referee once told me they chewed gum because it stimulated the brain and kept them focused. I’ve never tried it myself , and I’m not sure of the science behind it!
DeleteThe science is true (but only proven for studying of course). I guess it is your taste that you don't like it. But he has done this for more than ten years in the PL and I think it is his style and it suits his personality/style on the pitch
DeleteAchmüller does this 👀
DeleteOliver not allowing to let the game flow too much, he whistles many soft contacts. However, at least there is a clear line.
ReplyDeleteFor me, every decision was correct in first 35 minutes. And now break due to thundering. Interesting.
DeleteA pity Kuipers wasn’t the observer, memories of Ukraine-France :).
ReplyDeleteFaultless first part by Oliver! Excellent decision to disallow the goal (hopefully UEFA will appreciate it as such…) and VERY good management skills shown, quite contrary to his fully unobtrusive attitude in the two group games. Hopefully he’ll carry on in this way when the match resumes.
DeleteI don't think he was that unobstusive in SVKUKR tbh. While effectively staying in the background, he accurately jumped in whenever necessary (eg potential DtR in 1H) it struck me as I didn't expected him to react this way, from what I saw in his international games.
Delete100% agree about his technical accuracy: good delayed whistle before disallowing the goal, correct no cards in 15' (SPA-ish foul) and 30' (careless vs reckless kick). Very sound job.
what is happening ?
ReplyDeleteThunderstorm
DeleteGame is suspended due thunderstorm and hazard of lightning
DeleteAdverse weather conditions?! If you look at the pitch, there ara not such bad conditions.
DeleteYellow missed for Andrich at Min30?
ReplyDeleteBebek: «There's a big storm in the city»
ReplyDelete„Shut the f*** up Ivan“ 😂😂
DeleteLegendary!! 😄😄
DeleteIt's raining in the city, big rain! Soon it will come here!
DeleteSo, Busacca was clearly at fault by answering in that way...
DeleteKuipers will agree with Oliver about this decision, memories back from 2012, game stopped because dangerous for players with thunders and lightning. For all other reasons concerning the conditions of the pitch, game wouldn't be stopped.
ReplyDeleteLightning is very dangerous in a game. Michael Oliver did well to stop the match.
ReplyDeleteMatch suspended due to adverse weather conditions- great call by oliver and team. Rain is nonstop and lighting very close to stadium and fans.
ReplyDeleteDisallowed goal from main camera:
ReplyDeletehttps://streambug.org/cv/5d45e7
So the main contact probably happened slightly before the corner execution - but borderline.
DeleteIf it happened before the corner kick execution all this decision would have been wrong. Moreover, VAR would have been wrong confirmed it. My impression was that it occurred right in the moment of execution and the ball was already in play. So this decision was correct.
DeleteAnyone complaining about him stopping the game is quite frankly an idiot.
ReplyDeleteNever mess with lightning. Incredibly dangerous
There are 70.000 pople in the stands. How do you save them from lightning, by suspending the match ???
DeleteThey're under cover. Huge difference compared to the players
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DeleteResorting to childish insults is never the sign of a winning argument. You were saying they should be playing on because the pitch is fine.
DeleteThe supporters are sheltered by the roof. Any shelter makes a difference from lighting. Additionally they can go into the stadium concourses. The players are out in the open, any decision to play on in those conditions would have beenfarcical and dangerous.
Crowd safety rests with the stadium operators. The referee has very little influence over what happens in the stands. Need to stay on topic here.
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DeletePlayers can die if play continues.
Oliver made the right decision to interrupt the game
ReplyDeleteThese decisions are always taken by UEFA, Oliver was informed to do that.
DeleteThanks for the Info @chefren :)
DeleteI rememberd on Germany -Poland in Frankfurt at World Cup 1974.
ReplyDeleteRefree was Erich Linemayr from Austria
Again waterfalls in Dortmund! What a shame for Germans, they didn't to anything to fix that problem. Just unbelievable! Many people, journalists and fans are telling that this is the worst organized EURO ever, Germans failed in many things which is totally opposite with the World Cup 2006 that they organized successfully.
ReplyDeleteThe truth is that the Germans were comfortable with having stadiums ready for the World Cup and were not worried about possible adverse weather conditions. A stadium like Signal Iduna Park did not deserve to go through this.
DeleteIt's not just about Dortmund stadium, ornganidation of transportation to and from the stadium was awful (for example).
DeleteThe weather forecast indicates a lot of rain from today to tomorrow and thunder too
ReplyDeleteIIRC, a game was suspended in Euro 2016, Ukraine vs Northern Ireland, on that occasion it was just torrential rain and hailstones, I don't remember lightning. In any case I think it's smart to suspend, lightning is too dangerous
ReplyDeleteRosetti is there in the tunnel :D
ReplyDeleteThe TV cameras showed that Rosetti is present at the stadium, he talked with Oliver, obviously.
ReplyDeleteRoberto Rosetti getting his "on air time" 😉
ReplyDeleteWhat I can report is that indeed, German commentators are not satisfied with Oliver‘s decision to disallow the goal, saying it was not enough. Also, referee expert Patrick Ittrich was saying it was a borderline decision. For sure, debates will be heated if there is a certain outcome…
ReplyDeleteAnd in England - commentators pundits and referee expert says correct decision to disallow the goal
Delete...which all goes to underscore the importance of having neutral officials in charge.
DeleteThe foul for nr. 21 GER (min. 36) it was a wrong call, in my oppinion.
ReplyDeleteI agree, a fair challenge in my view. Also some Danish non-captains seemed to be allowed to show their dissatisfaction. Then in 40’ a other disputable if not wrong free kick went against the Danish.
DeleteNot the best few minutes for Oliver, resulting in having to caution the Danish coach.
As I said, definitely too much is whistled by Oliver, in both directions. Not the right approach in a fair game IMO.
ReplyDeleteYes you are right .... to many whistled and then makes he the wrong choice.
DeleteFor me he is very unsure and not continent.
He has a lach of authority
Confident and lack
DeleteIt look like the foul was comitted by nr. 15 GER and not by nr. 8 DEN (min. 38)
ReplyDeleteincomprehensibly flawed lazy detection von Oliver
ReplyDeleteVery open game. So far the disallowed goal stays as crucial decision.
ReplyDeleteAt least Michael Oliver is better than Anthony taylor
ReplyDeleteExpand, please.
DeleteI do find it interesting how much heat Oliver has historically got on here he has refereed both wc and euro quarter finals and all neutral observers seem to think he has been technically correct with every decision. Yet he seems to really be not supported often if one of the more historically popular referees on this blog made the same decision he would have been praised
ReplyDeleteHe's English.
DeleteIs racism appropriate on this board?
DeleteI'm saying that's why he gets so much hate. English media is typically the loudest.
DeleteOliver detected a problem with the stadium's lighting system and spoke to the captains about it. I don't think it's anything that serious.
ReplyDeleteDanish goal correctly disallowed. There were two players ahead
ReplyDeleteAgreed. Good call.
DeleteUp to 22 now…
ReplyDeleteTwo VAR interventions in a few time, disallowed goal for offside and then OFR for handball penalty. Correct by Attwell.
ReplyDeleteBoth marginal, but correct calls.
DeleteBoth correct calls. So even though its a bit too much all the cameras at the euro allow full fairness on such type of decision.
Delete1. Offside - factual correct.
2. Handball - arm in unnatural position - blocking movement, out of the body. Touch confirmed by tech. Correct.
Thats modern football and here should be no discussions.
Oliver makes a huge mistake
ReplyDeleteNever a penalty
I don't think they give it at home (close proximity). But I think it's clear in Uefa
DeleteI'd love to hear your explanation to this...
DeleteError in what? The defender diverted the ball's trajectory with his hand. Did you want Attwell to disregard the review?
Delete100% a penalty and everything else is a big error.
DeleteCorrect penalty given, handball. Impossible to see by Oliver. Good VAR intervention, not a good procedure during the OFR.
ReplyDeleteFully agree, no blame on Oliver, vey good work by the VAR crew. But definitely a sloppy procedure with the footage there.
DeleteCorrect offside, a UEFA handball so correct VAR intervention
ReplyDeleteUnbelievable, this penalty....😒
ReplyDeleteThis game is so strange, don‘t know what to say. Difficult to comment on what happens…
ReplyDeleteNever a penalty
ReplyDeleteThis is exactly like that possible "grey area" not given penalty in Poland-Austria by Meler. For me, tonight decision is the correct one: penalty. It is unacceptable that the Com will support both decisions. To my surprise, they seem to have supported Merler's decision since he continue in the KO stage
ReplyDeleteIt is not always black or white, thats why.
DeleteHaving seen the offside graphic, closest yet? I don't think you can give any blame to AR2
ReplyDeleteNo blame. When in doubt - dont raise the flag. Its impossible for AR.
DeleteWhy the yellow card for Bah?
ReplyDeleteI think for dissent. Oliver made an angry gesture seconds before
DeleteAbsolutely clear penalty to me. Expected ball (cross) hits the outstretched arm. I‘m a bit astonished how people can disagree. This shows how different handball rules are in different countries/organisations
ReplyDeleteNo yellow card... oh my gosh.
ReplyDeleteWhat a awful referee tonight.
His last match i guess
What incident are you waffling about now?
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DeleteIt should not be a penalty. HOWEVER the present day interpretation says its correct. Arm out, hand touches the ball, deflects the cross
ReplyDeleteWhy
DeleteDid he give an advantage there? I think so!
ReplyDeleteYC for Den player??????
ReplyDeleteI know it's an advantage, but he would have 2 on 1 situation.
59' off the ball incident, with Germany asking for a penalty, this time Oliver sure it was nothing, he made gestures. For this reason, VAR can't intervene.
ReplyDeleteI‘m quite sure he signaled an advangage. But then missed YC for a failed DOGSO attempt missed?
DeleteIt was outside the PA, wasn't it?
DeleteThink he indicated advantage. Was outside the box and not a DOGSO given Havertz still got a chance to score
DeleteLooks like he gave advantage therefore correctly identifying the foul. Not sure if I'm happy with that advantage though...
DeleteI wonder if Letexier’s Olympic playoff penalty was on his mind with this one? :)
DeleteLooked like it was outside the box. Either way don’t think it was a DOGSO for the foul on the supporting player, therefore no card issued correctly and since no PK, correct to give advantage.
DeleteWas not an advantage was a "no, not a foul"
DeleteWas a coming together and no more
On the dutch and belgian television
ReplyDeleteThe said the same:
12th man for germany in blue!
The man in the Middle to much attention.
Oliver is very bad tonight.
He has to go home.
You look so anti-Oliver! Stay calm!
DeleteMy goodness, you haven't had a good word to say about Oliver all night!!
DeleteI dont agree. Be objective. He is ok and interventions are also.
Delete10 minutes of bad desicions from Oliver..
ReplyDeleteWhich decisions was bad for your opinion?
DeleteThe only question is: would VAR react in favor of Denmark here? We've had many handballs in PK area last seasons but VAR reacts only sometimes and almost ever in favor of "big" teams or home side. Remember that this is England VAR and when did you see such a penalty in Premier league? And we had here some blatant PKs missed by the VAR! So, this VAR very often goes in favor of "favorites". And that is true - you can lie yourself as many as you want, but we all know that is true.
ReplyDeleteAbsolute rubbish!!
DeleteIt's a UEFA competition not Premier League for a start!
Rubbish!! There is no way officials in general and more specifically Michael and Stuart "conspire" as its Germany. I find that really offensive
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DeleteIf you are convinced, then I don't understand why you write asking for that, if you can't change idea.
DeleteOf course 100% VAR would have intervened in case of incident in the other penalty area, that's a very clear penalty for handball for me. I'm also quite surprised by the comments saying that this wasn't penalty!
It reminds me of Korea - Spain (2002 WC)
DeleteReally?! You are definitely watching a different game
DeleteBy "we all..." do you mean "you"?
DeleteThe rules tonight are UEFA rules and some decisions that we are seeing might not be given in domestic leagues.
Between the boxes, Oliver ruled in favour of the Germans in all the questionable situations, but the two VAR judgements seemed to be good.
ReplyDeleteOne of us is watching a different match!!
DeleteAnd I suppose the 2nd goal is as a result of the officiating too?
ReplyDeleteAnd he disallowed the 1st german goal, cause he is the 12th german on the field!?!?!?
DeleteSome guys here dont even understand what objectivity means, its getting more and more ridicolous, how they "argue"....
Gündogan enroached at the penalty. Stepped on the line (that means inside the penalty area) before Havertz had kicked the ball. So centimeters were taken into account in one end (Denmark's goal disallowed due to offside), but not in the other end. This is just unfair and (again) leaves an impression that big countries are given favours.
ReplyDeleteYou just don't know the rules and how UEFA wants them to be applied...
DeleteI suggest you look at Law 14 - you will find no punishable offence occurs here
DeleteBig countries are not given favours. In UEFA decision encroachment are normally only called if they have an impact. We have seen this multiple times before
DeleteRidiculous. Encroachment is only considered if the player has an impact on what happens. This is never punished, no one wants this to be punished. Would be exactly the same the other way round and very unfair on the officials to suggest this bias
Deleteonly if the encrochment clearly impact on the GK or another defender
Delete”The penalty kick is retaken only if the enroachment clearly impacted on the kicker or the ball rebounds into play and the enroaching player then plays the ball or challenges an opponent for the ball”. No impact = no offence.
DeleteUEFA wouldn't survive if it were systematically favouring some countries over others.
DeleteAn Englishman, an Italian, a German and a Man From A Small Country walk into a bar.
Delete"I'll have a gin and tonic," says the Englishman and gets it from the bartender.
"I'll have white wine," says the Italian and gets it from the bartender.
"I'll have a weissbier," says the German and gets it from the bartender.
"I'll have what they are having," says the Man From A Small Country.
"Can I see some ID. Otherwise I will have to check with UEFA if You are allowed to," says the bartender.
@MX I think you’re quoting the LotG 2024/2025. In the current edition ‘just’ encroaching is punishable, even without impacting. VAR however will only intervene when the encroachment has any impact.
DeleteHaving said that I’m completely fine with the ‘practical’ solution, eg allowing the goal to stand (as is common practice).
That’s right @Refwatch. This is more of a formality to have some text behind it, this is what UEFA guidelines are in terms of enroachment more or less, that’s why I sent it ;)
DeleteAll clear, I didn’t know the exact Uefa guidelines regarding encroachment but I definitely appreciate this common sense approach.
DeleteI can understand the wish, because I can't believe any referee as football lover wants to give a penalty like that, although according to the LotG totally correct, or give the offside for such a millimeter, although totally correct as well. The impact of the millimeter is fractional. The impact of the contact with the hand is fractional, the encroachment at the PK was fractional and one can only guess, the the impact on the GK was, probably less than fractional. But it is strange that we accept fractional impacts when they are supported by technical assistance, but ignore fractional impacts, which could easily be avoided by the players themselves, when we can only guess what the impact could have been. I do support all decisions because based on the LotG they are all correct, but the logic is somewhat far-off.
DeleteThis is what clubs and associations obviously want (only in their favour, that speaks for itself), but it's killing for the game as a whole.
Yes it's ripping out the spontaneous passion in our game.
DeleteWe lived since 1863 without introducing millimeters in our game.
No foul against nr. 2 GER (min 77). Good call in my oppinion.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I very rarely get involved in these types of discussions about the officiating because quite honestly, these 19 referees and all support officials etc have the hardest job at the tournaments.
ReplyDeleteThe level of negative comments and insults aimed at the officials during the group stages have been immense and 90% of the time completely unwarranted.
Apart from perhaps 1 game ( we don't need to go there) I don't think one official has had a shocker. This was mentioned a few days ago, we would have no referees left after the group stages according to many on this blog.
Tonight as we start in the KO stages, it's off again!!
It's been a difficult game with many issues to deal with and I think we should applaud the officials during this tournament quite honestly -they have done a pretty decent job overall!
In your opinion which was the shocker, Kovacs?
DeleteJust to clarify - I said "perhaps" . Let me be clear, I don't think Kovacs had a shocker, I don't think he helped himself either! But that is the game that had received the most attention from the group stages for obvious reasons.
DeleteI'm having a good laugh reading some of these comments, some absolute loopers on here
ReplyDeletePlease somebody stop the unobjective comments here
ReplyDeleteOf course is only better, when Germany loses. But Oliver decisions area Always correct, untill two yelow cards for Danmark
ReplyDeleteNo offside, another VAR intervention...
ReplyDeleteWirtz was probably offside and not Füllkrug as the stopped image suggested
DeleteI thought that the player who had reached ball was the one in regular position, sorry my mistake!
DeleteIs the SAOT not working or why does it take that long? Also the disallowed goal took longer than usual
ReplyDeleteOverall was a good match for Oliver:
ReplyDelete1. Good call in the first (disallowed) gol of GER and also good intrerventions by VAR (offsides and penalty).
2. I think only 1 or 2 bad calls, but with no impact on the game.
3. A low number of YC (i think is better if few YC and no RC).
So ... he should have another match in this competitions!
I think a pretty good performance from Oliver, correct decision to disallow Schlotterbeck goal in 1H. Handball penalty was difficult to spot and good VAR intervention. However, I think this is the last we'll see of him at this Euros, Rosetti prefers Taylor. He can be very satisfied with his 3 matches.
ReplyDeleteDifficult to assess this performance, a game in which everything happened. I think that you can support Oliver for the disallowed goal, but not more than that. Not VAR stuff to me, in case of goal allowed, referee was closed and he punished this action, but if we look only at the foul by isolating it from context, it's correct decision by book.
ReplyDeleteCommittee could have different idea, but now, with Germany win, Rosetti, as we know, will not care that much about that.
For the rest, we have to mention two VAR interventions, offside and handball penalty, these were very crucial decisions at that moment of the game.
For the rest, a rather OK performance, many peple blaming referee without reason. Big discussions on the blog.
Nevertheless, at this point, I think that a reflection on Oliver and his experience as UEFA referee so far must follow. Why he was never considered for something big like a final in all tournaments? He has a very particular style, not entering too much in contact with players, but just taking decisions, with a certain accuracy. Very often, such decisions are not "enough" and game can become more challenging. I think that the head of committee has noticed this attitude and they continue to appoint him rather regularly, but never for something very big. He should add more, in my opinion, to become a day candidate for a final, today his tournament can be over just because Taylor will have the next English assignment...
Oliver really doesn't show he loves being out on the pitch. He's missing ability to "interact" with sincerity with players. He doesn't look like he loves being out there.
DeleteAt the end, pretty solid performance by Oliver. Two VAR corrections,but nobody would recognise it live. Good day for officials.
ReplyDeleteAgreed! The level of some comments today was rubbish.
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DeleteAm I the only one who clearly saw the handball live and expected it to be called? Maybe he was already looking in penalty area
Delete+5 (or +100 I think)
DeleteI Think only 2 options for the final orsato and marciniak
ReplyDeleteWell, I think that Marciniak is saved for one quarterfinal and semifinal like Brych in 2021. Final referee is already decided today. Only what he should do,as someone mention here is to not do anything bad in POR-SLO.
ReplyDeleteYep baring a poor performance (which can't be defended by Refcom, Orsato looks set for this final after today.
DeleteMarciniak I'm sure will be appointed to a SF after his performance and the fact that Poland are out too.
The other semifinal is pretty open for me now (depending on who performs and their countries progression).
I agree, everything in orsato hands. If nothing bad in por slo he will get the final. He is friends of rossetti and he is finishing his carrer. I Think there is no candidat to do the final apart from Simon and daniele
ReplyDeleteWould germany reaching the final be a problem for appointing Orsato, after them being unhappy with his decisions in their match against Switzerland?
ReplyDeleteAddition: Especially in the (admittedly hypothetical) case of them facing each other again in the final^^
DeleteYes indeed for me not possible to see Orsato with Germany in final, 100% then sure he will be out if final GER - SUI.
DeleteIf my opinion is of any worth, this was a very good performance by Oliver tonight, despite the 2 VAR interventions. IMO, both situations were very difficult to see live, that's why we have VAR and it was used correctly.
ReplyDeleteOliver applied a clear line in foul detection and kept it throughout the match. Although the threshold was a bit lower, I honestly have no problem with that, as long as the line is mostly consistent. However, it has to be mentioned that the 1H delay disrupted his concentration/accuracy a bit, as he had two rather wrong decisions towards the end of the half: 36' (I think it was more of a fair shoulder-to-shoulder challenge than a foul for GER) and 40' (wrong foul in favour of GER, it should have been the other way around). The latter miss ended with the YC to DEN coach for protesting in 41', which is fully correct technically, but leaves some bad impression. The aforementioned delay due to thunderstorm and hail was the only logical decision in that situation, I think there should be no debate about that.
In terms of disciplinary management, I think Oliver again presented a clear line and kept it all the way to the end. It's interesting to note that all 4 YCs were issued for protesting/dissent: 41' (DEN coach), 57' (DEN2), 59' (GER bench) and 60' (DEN5). That small remark says it all about the fairness of play by both teams. The caution for the GER bench personnel came after an OGSO situation for GER in 59', with Sane probably getting tripped off-the-ball, but I'd argue Havertz was in a clear OGSO and if Oliver gave the advantage, he was perfectly right for me.
Speaking about KMIs, I think all 4 were solved correctly. The attacking foul by Kimmich (blocking) to disallow a potential 1-0 by GER in 4' is actually a very good decision for me, and I'm glad it wasn't overlooked/ignored. The VAR intervention to cancel a potential 1-0 by DEN for offside was a job well done by the VAR crew, and I don't put any blame on AR2 for missing something human eye cannot possibly see. It is worth to mention that the cancelled goal was scored after a very good wait-and-see by Oliver, as there was a potential penalty for holding moments before. In 51', we again saw a VAR intervention and OFR for a handball penalty to GER: although the final decision is clearly correct for me (outstretched arm, enlarging the body surface), this very small touch by the fingers was difficult (the only possible chance being the change in direction of the ball) and I again don't blame Oliver at all. This is the exact reason VAR was introduced in the first place. Lastly, the offside decision to cancel the potential 3-0 by GER in 90+1' by AR1 was a good decision, IMO. Both ARs delivered a very good performance, to be honest.
Taking everything into consideration, I think Oliver put in a very good performance and can be more than satisfied with his job in this tournament. As for some of the negative comments here, with all due respect, they probably lack some much needed objectivity.
Final candidates: Orsato, Marciniak, Vincic, Kovacs
ReplyDeleteMarciniak and Kovacs are out
Why not Vincic? Instead of Orsato
Vincic did not at all convince me in the last months!
DeleteAt least on the brightside UEFA referees are far superior to other associations.
ReplyDeleteAnother night of CONMEBOL madness
I just wrote it,what Roldan and crew are doing is outrageous.
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ReplyDeleteThe level of officiating on Copa America is so shocking even the best refs from CONMEBOL ar refereeing like some 1st graders.
Sorry, but that's the word I have to use.
Cause W.Roldan is one of the best CONMEBOL referees of all time.
But his 1st half in decisive Chile vs Canada match is shocking.
First in 5',we have clear elbow and VC from CHI player on CAN player while corner was being taken.
Not even call by VAR.
Then 2 good YC's and then very soft 2nd YC to CHI player.
There,the most shocking thing is that CAN player was asking for YC,making gestures for a long time,maybe around 30 seconds...
And he was not even warned.
Then,we have possible and imo clear penalty for Canada not whistled.After CAN player shot the ball,Chile Gk just barged into him.
No call was made.
Very challenging for Roldan,looks like he is not being so much accepted by players and he will have much trouble if he has mixes officiating like in 1st half.
's incredible that Roldan is still allowed by CONMEBOL to referee games, but in this case even more shocking the assessment by VAR, not a violent conduct according to them... just putting arm there!
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDKfwQEOjoQ
It gets worse and worse everytime you see it. What is the VAR thinking? Super clear VC
DeleteAnd no penalty:
Deletehttps://youtu.be/Uf-cnFK8F-g?si=lsVMDar2vHrVlE6m
Well, in this case even if the expected and correct decision is penalty, one can at least understand more the assessment made by VAR than the previous incident. Many discussions over the years about this kind of incident, with attacker playing ball and then keeper making impact with him. Should be penalty, but for some people the argument is that keeper can do nothing to disappear. Nevertheless, I think VAR was wrong here when he said that keeper was standing still without a movement, what he had done before to reach ball, running towards attacker trying to save the ball, should be assessed as enough for considering that this was reason for the contact, even if a few seconds before the contact, keeper had stopped himself.
DeleteContrary to your and the official assessment, I am not convinced about a foul here. When realizing, he is too late, the GK fully stops and remains (resp. jumps) at his place. The attacker then runs into him and creates the collision. I don't see any intention by the GK to block his opponent's path and by stopping so early it is still allowed play by him, I think.
DeleteI've seen a wide variety of opinions here (not in a positive way) I didn't get to see the match yesterday. But I saw the disallowed goal and the 2 fouls that were deemed 'wrong' (sholder charge and wrong foul leading to YC voor coach of DEN). What I don't understand as a referee and as a human being is how people have reacted yesterday. Some people have brought no nuance to this discussion and called the performance terrible for 1 mistake (like a wrong foul) or even worse because they don't like his style/personality. So when I wanted to get a view of how Oliver did, I had no idea if he had a good performance or not. But I decided to look for people who I had read (or interacted with) in other games who were nuanced and looked at the whole game. Who took into account the difficulty, the importance of the decision and who named positive AND negative aspects of his performance. And I would like to say thank you to these people for being nuanced and trying to look at the performance objectively (doesn't mean an opinion is not aloud, as long as it is stated as an opinion). So I have named some of you, I quickly went and looked for named, I will have definetly not named everyone (so if you feel like this is something you do, thank you and keep it going).
ReplyDelete@eurosoccerref @MX @Quilava @B.L referee @Alfie46 @dukat192 @ref Fot
Reason for the delay before the start of second half:
ReplyDeletehttps://x.com/nahuelmirandada/status/1807365031698235740
Context:
DeleteAt 10.27 pm, during the match against Denmark, security forces discovered a masked man with a bulging rucksack on one of the technician catwalks on the steel structure of the roof. The SEK, which is on standby for terrorist situations, then climbed onto the steel struts and carefully approached the man.
After the final whistle, at exactly 11.20 p.m., the elite police officers demanded that the man come to them, guns drawn. He allows himself to be arrested without resistance and is led away handcuffed.
The police identified the roof climber as a 21-year-old from Osnabrück (Lower Saxony), who is not yet known to be a threat or extremist. They found a large amount of photographic equipment in his rucksack.
The investigators therefore suspect that the young man belongs to the roofer scene. Roofer climb high buildings or radio masts unsecured, filming and photographing themselves for social media. Recently, they have also discovered football stadiums for themselves. Roofer shots from the Stuttgart stadium caused a stir on Instagram in February.
And the climber from the European Championship stadium is apparently no stranger to the scene either - and is already registered with the police for another trespassing offence. He is said to have climbed a thermal power station (300 metre high tower) in Herne. He also had a rucksack with photographic equipment with him there. At the time, he claimed to be a so-called camera spotter and to take spectacular aerial photos, which he then posted on social media to get lots of followers.
In Dortmund, too, it has so far only been a case of trespassing. The masked man has not damaged anything or injured anyone. It is unclear whether he will have to pay anything for his actions.
UEFA is responsible for security in the stadiums during the European Championships. Investigators suspect that the roof climber had a helper among the stewards.
Just saw German Kicker awarded Oliver a note 5 for yesterday’s game. The same note received Kovacs in his CzeTur game. That’s really strange to me. Don’t understand the rating system anyway, it seems higher notes for worse performances?
ReplyDelete6 - 5 worst
Delete3 - 4 middle
1- 2 best
1 very good
Delete2 good
3 satisfactory
4 sufficient
5 poor
6 unsatisfactory
kicker's justification: "Far too petty and inconsistent in the assessment of tackles. No moderation when it comes to personal penalties."
But yes, that seems way too harsh.
But to be fair, kicker also published an interview with DFB rule expert Lutz Wagner, who supported all of Oliver's decisions.
DeleteDisallowed Schlotterbeck goal: "I would agree with our national coach that such scenes are not always whistled off. From the referee's point of view, however, Michael Oliver had all the arguments in favour of his decision: Kimmich's action was not oriented towards the ball at all, but only towards his opponent. Olsen, on the other hand, wants to go for the ball with Schlotterbeck and would at least have had a chance to prevent Schlotterbeck's header. Especially as it was in line with his line in this game: by his standards, he was generally very petty in his refereeing, but he consistently enforced it on both sides. And: he made the decision to disallow the German goal without hesitation on the pitch, not on the advice of the VAR."
Disallowed Denmark goal: "The question of the exact time of play was indeed a tricky one for a long time. Today, however, with the chip in the ball in combination with semi-automatic offside detection, UEFA's images and the decisions based on them are now very, very trustworthy. And then it's all about the purely factual decision: Offside is offside, regardless of whether it's just a few centimetres or metres. As with a ball behind the goal line - we don't say: but it was only just in, does the goal really have to count?"
Handball penalty: "The intensity of the contact does not matter at all. It doesn't matter whether the defender catches the ball, fists it away or, as in this case, only touches it relatively lightly. The only question that remains is whether the offence is generally punishable: Andersen has a clear view of the situation, is in a defensive action with orientation towards the ball - and then receives it on the arm away from his body. These criteria clearly speak in favour of a penalty kick, despite the relatively short distance. Since the contact with the arm can be proven beyond doubt by the chip in the ball, the images do not give me any other decision."
59': Oliver not only handled this scene well, he handled it excellently. After all, the tactical foul on Sané took place in front of the penalty area. In order to penalise this, Oliver would have had to whistle Havertz's advantage and the great opportunity away to give Germany a free-kick. There would rightly have been a lot of excitement about that. And the fact that Christensen was not subsequently yellow-carded was also correct. If, as in this case, the advantage granted is realized by a shot on goal, there is no subsequent personal punishment for purely tactical fouls."
No DOGSO: "A crystal-clear goalscoring opportunity for the fouled player presupposes that control of the ball exists or is imminent. So if Havertz had actually crossed the ball before Sané was fouled, it would have been given. But not this way."
Overall: "All in all, it can be said: Oliver's petty line can certainly be debated in some scenes. However, he was right in the decisions that were most in the spotlight. It would definitely be wrong to put forward the thesis: The referee decided the game. And not to forget: He also managed the interruption necessitated by the thunderstorm with aplomb."