Wednesday, 21 February 2018

Champions League 2017/18 - Referee Appointments - Round of 16 (First Leg, IV)

The last set of referee appointments for Round of 16 first leg games.  French Clément Turpin will be in charge of Sevilla - Manchester United. 
21.02.2018, 20:45 CET
OSK Metalist Stadion, Kharkiv (UKR)
Shakhtar Donetsk - AS Roma
Referee: William Collum (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: David McGeachie (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: Francis Connor (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Robert Madden (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: John Beaton (SCO)
Fourth Official: Douglas Potter (SCO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Itchko Lozev (BUL)
UEFA Delegate: Andrey Medintsev (BUL)

21.02.2018, 20:45 CET
Estadio Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán, Seville (ESP)
Sevilla FC - Manchester United FC
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Nicolas Rainville (FRA)
Fourth Official: Hicham Zakrani (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Eugen Strigel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: George Koumas (CYP)

76 comments:

  1. Turpin-
    UEFA Delegate George Koumas (CYP)
    UEFA Referee observer Eugen Strigel (GER)

    Collum -
    UEFA Delegate Andrey Medintsev (BUL)
    UEFA Referee observer Itchko Lozev (BUL)

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  2. Chefren, should it not be Francis Connor, instead of William? :)

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  3. I must admit good development as Elite referee by Turpin in recent times. He has definitely improved his skills, showing always good performances, and he deservers this game. I think that he is at moment still under strict observation for something bigger. In any case, as for now, he can be absolutely satisfied. Good luck to the French team in Seville.
    About Collum: to be honest, I didn't expect him in Champions League. However, the game seems to be OK for the Scottish. Hope he will have a good performance in Ukraine.

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    1. I think, matches like this are important for Turpin to gain more experience before the WC. Same counts for Karasev, who should get something similar, maybe the second leg of this tie.

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  4. Very Good appointment for Turpin !

    That makes me think of a question: if Turpin gets hurt, who replaces him as central referee? Logic would like it to be Buquet ... How does it go if none of the additional referees have the Champions League level?

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    1. The major ranked referee, according to domestic association, if both are not FIFA, should be in charge.
      For this reason, you have always AAR1 more experienced (or FIFA referee) than AAR2.

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  5. Jonas Eriksson has friendly match on 27 th March in Berlin between Germany against Brazil.

    Referee : Jonas Eriksson
    AR1/2 : Mathias Klasenius and Daniel Wärnmark
    FO : Glenn Nyberg

    https://www.dfb.de/news/detail/eriksson-pfeift-deutschland-gegen-brasilien-182107/

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    1. Good appointment for Eriksson but I feel but some pre-selected referee for WC would've been better in this game!!

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    2. Something like a small consolation for the missed WC call...

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    3. @Soham None of the 36 referees selected for the World Cup can work on friendly matches involving one of the 32 teams qualified for the World Cup, FIFA sent a circular about it.

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    4. Yeah just heard about it a little while ago... And under that circumstance definitely Eriksson is one of the better names available... So decent appointment!!

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  6. Predictions for 2nd legs :

    Tottenham v Juventus : Björn Kuipers
    Manchester City v Basel : Danny Makkelie
    Liverpool v Porto : Felix Zwayer
    Paris Saint-Germain v Real Madrid : Szymon Marciniak
    Roma v Shakhtar Donetsk : Anastasios Sidiropoulos
    Manchester United v Sevilla : Sergei Karasev
    Barcelona v Chelsea : Milorad Mazic
    Besiktas v Bayern Munich : Antonio Mateu Lahoz


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    1. I agree with you that both games in Manchester and Liverpool will be used for the "new" Elite referees who have not still made their debut in KO stage... that seems the most logical choice now, after all first legs assignments.

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    2. One or more games this week might have the same fate who knows which will mean more chances for new refs... I was struggling to find any other names for Barcelona v Chelsea so had to repeat Mazic over there... If Kuipers was not injured one could well expect him to be there in Camp Nou but since he's injured and even if he gets fit I won't really put him in such a high pressure game straightaway... Let's see will be all really interesting!!

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    3. Indeed, if referees already appointed for Europa League on last week wont appear again in CL for return legs, we will have definitely only one option for Barça - Chelsea: Marciniak. I agree that it will be difficult to see Kuipers there, given his injury. Let's wait for first leg score and facts, but I think that committee wont take any risk in any case.

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  7. Anthony Taylor decided for a Red Card (SFP), apparently this wasn't his first instinct.

    How do you see this decision?

    https://www.footbie.com/video/fabian-delph-straight-red-card-wigan-vs-manchester-city-fa-cup

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    1. Very harsh IMO... He got much of the ball, the tackle wasn't two footed... I would've gone for yellow to be honest... Reckless challenge for me this one...

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  8. I can't but laugh at most if not all of you. Most of you decry the the inability of EPL referees to properly punish SFP. 1)Studs showing. 2) Straight legged. 3)Half way up the shin. 4) Player launches himself with excessive force. Did I or Anthony Taylor miss anything? Sure, Taylors procedure wasn't the best. But in the end he got it right. And that is what matters the most. Yet we have a case where a referee correctly issues a Red Card and most of you state that you would squirm and shy away from using your Red Card and under punish and only give a Yellow. You dig, search, and or invent whatever excuse to not use the Red Card.

    Players know that their every action is going to have a reaction. We as Referee's simply apply the Laws.
    More enforcement of the Law's of the Game and less let's be buddy buddy and talk it out is what is needed. Stop trying to turn Referee's into cookie cutter psychologist marathon'ers with whistles.

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    1. Why don't you just make your own opinion without disrespecting other's view?? You can have your own set of opinion or views but that doesn't give you any liberty to pick on others for having their own views!!

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    2. Fully agreed with Soham here!

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    3. It could be that most of you are wishy washy and usually flip flop on these type of situations. When it's a referee you personally like and/or admire. He can do no wrong and all of his decisions are fully backed and supported. Yet when it's a referee you don't much care for. His decisions are scrutinized under a microscope. Keeping it fair and balanced and solely based on The Laws of the Game and you may incur less criticism and disrespect.

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    4. This is down to "INTERPRETATION" and mine is different from yours... LOTG is the same for all but for me the criteria of RC isn't fully satisfied while for you it is satisfied and that is down our interpretation... Don't question other's knowledge of the LOTG!!

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    5. Maybe not your knowledge, but certainly your application of said Law's.

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    6. Yeah I'm definitely not as all-knowing as you are ;)

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    7. @Nando Vasquez

      You certainly hit the nail.........

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  9. OT

    Quite a nice interview with Tom Henning Ovrebo, a humble referee who you could usually rely on to have a smile on his face. Reflecting on Chelsea - Barcelona, his career and life off the pitch, it was an interesting insight from the Norwegian.

    http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/ovrebo-my-night-of-chelsea-barcelona-hell/32g1xqe61joj1p4qxqv85o1fs

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    1. I've started to watch football around 2000's and I cant rememeber any match that was so controversial and that was so much talked about,even now 9 years later still you can see some talks about that match.Maybe one other match that comes to my mind that was scandalous was Italy vs South Korea in WC 2002.

      Unfortunately,Ovrebo will be remembered and judged for that one match.

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  10. Turpin in control for now.

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  11. Well, for me it seems as if Turpin is struggling a bit. Not really a clear line.

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  12. Turpin missed 2 yc for my opinion. For sevillia no.10 and for one united player because of SPA.

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  13. It's a very tough game for Turpin. United players committing foul after foul but they are neither SPA nor reckless, nor persistent infringement. Sevilla players and fans are becoming furious but Turpin has a veeery strong body language and nips any dissent in the bud. Excellent gestures, anticipation and psychical resistance.

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  14. Sorry but we don’t look at the same match...Very intensive pressure by Sevillan players but clear line by Turpin. Two mandatory YC and full control by french team. I m not his fan but first very good half IMO. Perfect decisions by AR.

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  15. Collum first half: overall expected level. Game was not challenging, there was a situation a few minutes before half time where Shakhtar asked for a foul in attacking phase (however, outside the box), I think referee can be backed.
    Good NO FLAG by AR2 for Roma's goal, he was also involved in other situations.

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  16. Good decision to denied ManUtd goal for handball.

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  17. Your thoughts on PK incident Pogba-Navas? IMO good decision to play on.

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    1. My feeling is that Navas made one more step after the contact and fall down in order to win a penalty. Looked like simulation.

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    2. It's clear penalty imo. I just saw some re-plays at italian TV (Mediaset). Also Graziano Cesari said that Pogba was lucky because Turpin didn't saw his intervention.

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  18. Did anyone see the incident in 90+1 in Shakhtar vs Roma game? Looked likeit should have been a Red Card for Shakhtar #7

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    1. Taison elbowing the Roma player directly under the nose of the AR? Yeah Collum and his AR teamed up to totally miss it.

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    2. Should have been red card for Tyson.

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  19. Overall a good match for Turpin.

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  20. Yet another example of cowardly and gutless officiating. Taison gets away with a case of Violent Conduct in the face of the AR. Collum settles for cautioning both players. Not quite sure what the Roma player actually did to deserve his caution. Taison unjustly stayed on the pitch and now unfairly gets to play in the 2nd Leg

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    1. My God, this is your jubilar 2000th negative comment. What's your problem?

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    2. Mr. Castrilli will be happy only when every football match on this planet earth will be refereed by Mexican referees!!

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    3. You seem happier to write about a mistake and a missed RC in order to blame the referee, than to praise him when a correct decision is taken. We all on the blog got your point, it is not useful to write and repeat always the same thing. And I must say again: you use words like "coward, gutless", so in all cases you are sure that referees on the pitch have the exact perception of the incident but they don't want to show the red card. That's wrong of course. Most of the times it is question of perception, referees can have a wrong reading of a foul / violent conduct, they can miss or wrongly assess it, so they go for a YC, for example, instead of RC. It is not easy, we should show respect for all the referees who arrived at this level. In any case, apart from that, one must say that, if we make a comparison with the past, there is a certain tendency to be lenient in some potentially RC situations. But this wasn't yesterday's case, I'm sure Collum and AAR2 didn't see it and AR2 was close but he had a wrong assessment, because not totally focused where the foul occurred. I can come to this conclusion also by looking at the fact that Collum booked at first Perotti from Roma. Here, the "big foul" was committed by the Ukrainian, but referee had not this perception and he went, very likely for two YCs for mutual misconducts.

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    4. Future for such incidents at high level is only VAR.

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    5. But not the German version, pls ;)

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    6. I was unaware that a Referee had to be Mexican to properly apply and enforce The Laws of the Game. I figured most referees used and applied the same Laws. Simply being unwilling or nit picking how and when you do apply them is a whole another problem.

      But if praising mediocrity and applauding mistakes is your way. Just because they've "made it". Then may as well forgo any sort of expectations for improvement. Coddle them and continue to keep them in their safe space and away from any and all strongly worded criticism. Unfortunately that is not how it works in the real world.

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  21. Missed RC for Shakhtar’s Taison. Deliberate elbow on Perotti’s face around 90’. It happened next to AR2 and AAR2.

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    1. To this day. I am still left to wonder what exactly is the purpose of having AAR's. They're great at standing there looking important yet they add so very little to the actual games. Countless examples of incidents in which they should interject, yet they instead choose to stand there like statues.

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    2. Because there are very rare cases they have the absolute best angle to tell the head ref what to do. If they say penalty the head ref will 99% go with a penalty. I don’t think it’s an easy job.

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    3. Getting paid to stand for 90+ minutes, talking into a mic, and occasionally making small movements and or gestures. Yet never really interjecting during a game? Doesn't particularly come off as hard.

      Am I possibly missing out on what AAR's do? You betcha. However this happens because we as the masses have never truly been informed and or instructed on what their duties and responsibilities actually are. Thanks UEFA.

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  22. Let's begin our predictions for the 2nd leg games!!

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    1. Challenge accepted! ;)

      Paris Saint-Germain - Real Madrid: Björn Kuipers (NED)
      Liverpool - Porto: Felix Zwayer (GER)
      Tottenham Hotspur - Juventus: Damir Skomina (SVN)
      Manchester City - FC Basel: Danny Makkelie (NED)
      AS Roma - Shakthar Donetsk: Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
      Manchester United - Sevilla FC: Milorad Mazic (SRB)
      Besiktas - FC Bayern: Michael Oliver (ENG)
      FC Barcelona - Chelsea FC: Szymon Marciniak (POL)

      Thoughts?

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    2. Well, we have 3 nearly decided and 5 open pairings. If we assume, that Kuipers is not yet available, the 5 remaining WC referees could get those 5 matches. For the 3 other games, there are a lot of candidates.

      So my predictions are
      Paris Saint-Germain - Real Madrid: Mazic
      Liverpool - Porto: Makkelie
      Tottenham Hotspur - Juventus: Skomina
      Manchester City - FC Basel: Fernandez Borbalan
      AS Roma - Shakthar Donetsk: Mateu Lahoz
      Manchester United - Sevilla FC: Karasev
      Besiktas - FC Bayern: Taylor
      FC Barcelona - Chelsea FC: Marciniak

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    3. @Stake It would be lovely to see Kuipers in Paris but he's still to be appointed in Dutch Eredivisie so probably he's still injured :'(

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    4. I checked now his last appointment: 21/01. More than a month without a game, at least 4 matchdays skipped.
      Not a good signal, if I'm not wrong, you said that it wasn't something serious. But now I would even dare to think that he couldn't appear at all in CL KO stage...

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    5. That means his UCL career is over :'( Probably no World Cup as well :'( KNVB first said that it's a minor injury but most probably it wasn't very minor :'( What a sad end to an otherwise magnificent career :'(

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    6. Lets wait before coming to such conclusions, however in any case for him this was the worst moment in which to get injured.

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    7. I wonder what the exact injury is :'( Because in their media release KNVB clearly mentioned it as a minor injury :'( God knows why they are not providing any more updates :'(

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  23. Match for Collum had been quite calm until minute 89'. Then, everything happened. A confrontation between some players close to AR2 and AAR2. Shakhtar player hit the opponent in what we can definitely call something like a violent conduct. No reaction by Roma player. However, Collum decided to book both players and I don't understand the reason for which he did that. In addition, the game was stopped for more than one minute (at least), but after having assigned 3 minutes of added time, he whistled the end at 93:08. Clear mistake, if you ask me, he had to add further time.
    Before that, he had been overall OK, with a correct YC for reckless challenge (79'), a supportable PLAY ON decision for a penalty appeal by Roma (about 84'). In this case there was something like a holding by arm but more than soft and the choice by referee absolutely reasonable. Free kick leading to 2-1 by home -team was correct as well. A pity that he ended the game with such wrong management.

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    1. About the injury time, is it possible that he wanted to award just two minutes and then raised it to 3, after the mass confrontation?
      About the foul, I don’t like strong words like those from others here, but as you pointed out, this is a big error.
      Let me say that this is something that could have been easily detected with VAR ;)

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  24. Penalty incident (Paul Pogba vs Jesús Navas) from Sevilla - Man. United

    https://streamable.com/illvz

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    1. Navas is simply diving...

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    2. In my opinion absolutely supportable to play on.
      Penalty would have been a really soft call.
      Well done by Turpin, we can't say 100% correct of wrong decision, but the important thing is that referee can be backed.

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    3. I wrote earlier that for me it's penalty. Also for Graziano Cesari (moviola on Mediaset). Also for some romanian commentators after the game. Also for many of my friends. But it's about Turpin. he and german referees are something special ...

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    4. It's a simulation for me. The contact doesn't make Navas fall down like that. He jumps from the left leg that has not been even touched by Pogba. He wants to win a penalty.

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    5. It's not important how Navas is falling. Navas tried to play the ball ( most probably a direct shot from him) and he was impeding by Pogba. For me it's preety obvious that only puropse of Pogba was to impede Navas to play the ball. Unfortunately for Pogba the contact with Navas's right foot is blatant.

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  25. Taison's SFP at the end of Shakhtar Donetsk - Roma

    https://streamable.com/ifjq5

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    1. Can't be SFP -- there's no challenge for the ball with that elbow. The ball's at their feet.

      This is pure VC. Arm used as a weapon.

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  26. So, we can try some predictions for second legs.

    Liverpool - Porto: Felix Zwayer (GER)
    PSG - Real Madrid: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
    Manchester City - Basel: Danny Makkelie (NED)
    Tottenham - Juventus: Damir Skomina (SVN)
    Manchester United - Sevilla: Sergey Karasev (RUS)
    Roma - Shakhtar Donetsk: Antonio Mateu (ESP)
    Beşiktaş - Bayern: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
    Barcelona - Chelsea: Milorad Mažić (SRB)
    I'm reluctant with Karasev, but Philipp is right, he should get such games before World Cup. Also, I assume that Kuipers will be still out and I see Taylor more than Oliver for a game in KO stage for now. If not, it will be an opportunity for names like Královec, Undiano, Sidiropoulos and so on, who don't get often KO stage. Fernández Borbalán will retire at the end of this season, he never got CL KO stage and I think he wont get that as last match. Collina doesn't like to make such appointments, if a referee is about to retire.

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  27. I've got another clip from Turpin's game. IMO, the YC to Nzonzi could also have been a RC for SFP: studs-up tackle, straight leg and contact is made above the foot. What do you all think?

    https://streamable.com/8ijri

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    1. I would say SFP. Nzonzi was aware, see his gesture after the foul, he was afraid of being sent off. Very lucky to get only a YC, opponent was clearlu hit with studs up. RC.
      For me, crucial mistake.

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    2. Sorry for late reply - I would go for YC as the white player pulled his leg back (bent it) at the moment of contact with the black player. If his leg remained straight, than the health of the black player would have been endangered and it would have been SFP and RC to white player

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