Saturday, 30 June 2018

2018 FIFA World Cup Match 49: Uruguay - Portugal (discussion)

Let's discuss here the performance of César Ramos in Uruguay - Portugal. Good luck to the officiating team!
Match #49
Sochi, 30 June 2018 20:00 CET
Uruguay - Portugal
Referee: César Ramos (MEX)
Assistant Referee 1: Marvin Torrentera (MEX)
Assistant Referee 2: Miguel Hernández (MEX)
Fourth Official: Jair Marufo (USA)
Fifth Official: Corey Rockwell (USA)
VAR: Mark Geiger (USA)
AVAR1: Bastian Dankert (GER)
AVAR 2: Joe Fletcher (CAN)
AVAR 3: Danny Makkelie (NED)

153 comments:

  1. Jonas Eriksson: ”César Ramos - a very experienced referee, this is the match of his career so far. He is the right man for the job”

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  2. I like Ramos because I like referees with long sleeved outfits :D

    Anybody knows why he goes like that? Can be very uncomfortable in sunny and hot days. I think Clattenburg did it because of tattoos.

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    1. Maybe he got tattoos so he is hiding them. Like Clatenburg was doing after euro..

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    2. For as long as I've followed his career in Mexico. I am not aware of him having any arm tattoos. If you do a Google Images search on him. You'll find more images of him in long sleeve kits that in short sleeved kits.

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    3. I don't think so. Here is a photo of Ramos posing with a 2018 FIFA badge (so, I guess it's a photo of this year) and doesn't seem to have any tattoo on his arm. And in 2017 Club WC he used long sleeves.

      https://www.razon.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/1-127.jpg

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    4. Maybe it's just a personal preference... I also prefer long sleeves even though temperatures rise as high as 40°C over here and I have no tattoos! :D

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    5. Bas Nijhuis also always Wearing long sleeves. He has no tattoos but he like it.

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    6. David Beckham always wore a long sleeve kit also.

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    7. As a referee, I feel uncomfortable in long sleeves. You don‘t feel 'free' ;-) There are also referees who prefer short sleeves. Felix Zwayer, for instance never wears long sleeve kits,

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    8. The lenght of sleeves depends on the weather conditions for me. However a few of my fellow local referee's will wear long sleeve kits even in the summer when it's 40+ degrees. Their reasoning is to protect their skin.

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    9. Some referees have really strong preferences either way. In MLS, Kevin Stott ALWAYS wears long sleeves, no matter what. And Hilario Grajeda ALWAYS wears short sleeves, even when he did a game that was 19 degrees farenheit (-7C).

      I know I've seen Ramos in short sleeves during CONCACAF Champions League games, but that was a few years ago so maybe he has newfound preferences.

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    10. The kits that CONCACF issues it's referee's for confederation competitions are only short sleeved. Ricardo Montero (CRC) was visibly wearing a similar colored long sleeved t-shirt underneath his ref jersey. In the 1st Leg of the CONCACAF Champions League Final.

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  3. Long sleeved black kits for the referee crew. Classic, sleek and sharp look!

    Best of luck to my fellow countryman.

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  4. Ramos's swing with his hand at the start is fantastic :)

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    1. Every single Liga MX referee has his own gesture to start and end matches.

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    2. I am always for that. It is boring to see the same way always.

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  5. This foul whistled against Cavani... well :)
    If you compare it with the pushing before Switzerland goal in BRA - SUI. :)

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    1. But that was assessed as a correct decision :D So for FIFA this must be a mistake :D

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  6. What a wonderful goal rewarding perfect teamplay...

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  7. I would say that Ramos is physically best referee here. I like his running style.

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    1. Just like Benito Armando Archundia and Marco Antonio Rodriguez before him. You will never find a Jon Moss or Lee Mason shaped referee in Liga MX. The physical standards expected from the referee's are high. To include body fat composition percentage measurement.

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    2. http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Marco+Rodriguez+Brazil+v+Germany+KdvKFsUPQ54l.jpg

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    3. https://cdn.foxsportsla.com/sites/foxsports-la/files/img/notes/news/Marco-Antonio-Rodriguez-160714.jpg

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  8. Off.foul by POR/Fonte ignored before header 11.min

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  9. That late tackle on Fonte by URU was quite rather dangerous, and I wouldn't have been surprised to see a caution for it.

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  10. Big chance for referee to impose authority on game with almost nailed reckless challenge by Uruguay 22 on Portugal 6. Surprised not to see sterner warning from Ramos

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  11. What all black football boots are the referee's wearing? It's truly hard nowadays to find all black boots.

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    1. Very elegant referee in full black outfit, including long sleeves.

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    2. It seems like this a special edition of adidas‘ 'Kaiser' boots only for the WC.

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    3. Best looking referee without any doubt. Nice to see him on the pitch.

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    4. Agreed Chefre. A true "throwback" look.
      Any idea on the boots that Adidas has given the referee's to wear?

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    5. Boots for referees are made in Adidas licensed factory in small town in Bosnia. All referees got them although some opted for other

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    6. Very true Filip. I've seen a few referee's wearing other boots. Some wearing the Adidas Copa Mundial Turf boots and Mazic wearing a Black version on the Adidas Adi Zero boots. However I am surprised to not have seen any referee wearing running shoes like Frank De Blekere liked to wear.

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    7. I like these shoes a lot. http://officialsports.com/1711-diadora-referee-tf-shoe/

      The only issue I find with them is that when you're on a muddy grass field, you lose your grip rather easily and can start sliding all over the place (because the soles fill up packed with mud). I need to get myself a nice pair of shoes with molded cleats to wear for those kinds of games.

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    8. Depending on field conditions I chose between running shoes, turf shoes, or cleats.

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  12. Nice theatrical performance by Suarez pretending the headache of his life after he got a hit against his - shoulder.

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  13. Ramos has to pay attention with Suarez - he is always trying to get a free kick, sometimes with massive exaggeration. I hope Ramos remains unimpressed.

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    1. He's got two that he needs to watch out for. Not only Suarez, but the dive master Ronaldo also. :D

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  14. 27' possible YC for blatant holding in the midfield.
    As it happened in Ramos previous games, he ignored it.
    FIFA guidelines... referee's style? But OK, if this is the trend...

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  15. Ramos‘ has a very natural style. Not only the clothing but also the way he talks with the players.

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    1. No need for extra gestures, gesticulations, or animated movements. Yet his calm relaxed approach instills a sense of security and acceptance from the players. A total opposite of somebody like Mateu Lahoz.

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    2. Agree Sheriff. Excellent control of his body language and gestures. You can also see on face that he is focused but also relaxed. He listens to players and, if necessary, communicates in a respectful way. To me, the complete opposite of Roldán.

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  16. Whistles 2sec late all the time. This annoys players.

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  17. Why is he allowing cynical tackles to go without YC's?

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  18. Definitely a missed corner in 39‘.

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  19. It will be very nervous match in 2nd half.

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    1. Appropriately so. Contact in the back is not the top of the back of the head.

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    2. It is so funny... no contact with his head at all.

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    3. https://www.clippituser.tv/c/lnwraa

      Clearly no head contact. AR and referee clearly saw no issue at all here and allowed play to continue appropriately.

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  21. Suarez is just a shameful player

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  22. And the next performance by Suarez. Good decision by Ramos to.play on!

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  23. OMG what a hit in Suarez's head!!

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  24. Unacceptable handling of the Suarez injury at 44’. Play had to be stopped, and the AR had to inform the referee as it was right in front of him.

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    1. I think that both Referee and AR saw that it was NOT any head contact, and thus allowed play to continue.

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    2. For what reason? There was no injury but a great show and simulation.

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    3. It was nothing but act from Suarez

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    4. Did you even see what happened? Clear simulation. No contact with the head at all.

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    5. I see a possible contact to the neck, but that doesn’t matter. The referee *must* stop play if there’s a possible head injury. If he is certain that there is simulation, give a caution. But referees are wrong, sometimes, and we cannot afford any risk-taking with head injuries. The laws are clear on this.

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    6. To clarify: what I see doesn’t matter. Even if the referee didn’t see a contact, he should stop play if there’s a possibility of a head injury, even if he didn’t see the contact.

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    7. To clarify further (as noted above and elsewhere):

      The Referee and AR (or some combination of such) obviously saw that it was NOT any head contact, noted that it was simulation, and thus allowed play to continue.

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    8. Uhm, apart from the fact that Suarez wasn’t hit at the head and makes things look worse than what actually happened, we cannot deny him being fouled by a jump in the back can we?

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    9. Refs don’t give yellow cards for simulation in the WC that’s why play continued

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    10. The fact that referees are not willing to apply the laws properly does not allow them to skip their duties on player safety.

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    11. There was no safety issue that’s what everyone is saying except you. No injury. All fake. Susrez is a bug liar nothing else.

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  25. He gets hit in the back and holds his head.
    Brilliant,Oscar worthy material.

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  26. If I am WC referee I would sent off divers probably in first half. And then Collina would send me home :D

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    1. No YC for diving = diving will continue

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  27. I am not at all impressed with his 1st half officiating. Neither was I with his first game officiating.

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  28. The only explanation for not giving a YC for that is having none with him. Sorry, not at all impressed with this total leniency style.

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  29. Let‘s be honest. Ramos simply refuses to show cards. Clear SPA in 57‘.

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  30. Don't like this referee at all, already missed 3 yellow cards.

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  31. Mandatory missed YC after foul Ricardo ag. Laxalt 58.

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  32. If THIS is what FIFA asked for we can throw the LOTG in the next trashcan.

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    1. Are you just now tuning in? It's been this way since day 1. It's terrible and it goes against the true spirit of the beautiful game.

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    2. Of course Sheriff is not happy with all such instructions :D

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  33. Ramos knows this is his last game in thisWC so he does not want to be scapegoat for either team. Smart for him awful for the game and refereeing

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  34. I have never seen so many referees in the same tournament loosing their Fifa badges during the match. AR2 has lost his in this match. It seems like there is some problems with their jerseys.

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    1. They're not allow to stitch them on apparently, so are using tape, and the new 2018 adidas shirt isn't so sticky for the tape often used.

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    2. Nothing that a bit of velcro wouldn't be able to fix. However Adidas kits even though they are ridiculously expensive, don't have a velcro patch pre sewn on the shirt.
      He in the US, the brand Official Sports has a velcro patch sewn on left breast pocket.

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    3. Who are the refs or ARs in this tournament who lost their badge during matches? :D

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  35. Missed IFK against Uruguay because of floor-playing.

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    1. Floor-playing?

      Pray tell... what's the offence for "floor-playing"?

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  36. Ramos is my fellow countryman and I hate the fact that he's employing this overly lenient approach. And approach that would get him sent to the bench for a few weekends in Mexico.

    But I must continuously remind myself that this is exactly what Busacca and PLC want. And how the Ref Comm directs and instructs the referee's to handle matches. The Ref Comm seems to care more about keeping all the players eligible to play and thus The Laws of the Game become secondary.

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    1. Ufffff Sheriff... Whatever it is he has done well tonight :D

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  37. Missed foul on Muslera by Bernardo Silva

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    1. A free kick was given there -- The replay showed that he had begun pointing to the point of offence before the shot was taken.

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    2. No, the replay shows that the referee put the whistle in his mouth, but did not whistle and instead pointed for a goal kick. Play was resumed with a goal kick.

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  38. He's forgetten his cards at home! I can count numerous of incidents needed YC. And missed fouls. He's some problems with 12. Rule. Physical appearance is very important but the referee must know spirit of the game. Must smell. I must say that he looks like nervous

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  39. As I said for Mazic, I must be consistent and I must repeat it for Ramos: I don't like this style to avoid cards in all situations and I strongly disagree. However, if FIFA wants that and the only concern is to keep control and avoid crucial mistakes, the performance has been very good so far.
    Question of points of view, I wouldn't be satisfied, this performance at UEFA level would be marked below (by far) expected level.
    In all this scenario, I really would like to hear the opinion of Collina, who at the same time prepares and wants perfect UEFA referees, then in FIFA he allows that without problem. :)

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    1. I don't think Collina wants this extreme level of lineancy... There is a middle line that referees can adopt but that doesn't mean they have to go careless throughout the match by hook or by crook! That's just some referees overdoing the instructions!

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  40. IMO Ramos is exactly doing what the Committee ask for. And honestly I am impresse how he handle this game without cards so far. (Yeah in principle he supposed to give 2-3 cards) But full control of the game still. Good first day for referees in the KO-stage.

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    1. Impressed? What's easier than not pull any cards? ^^

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    2. He basically let everything go... It's his good luck that the reaction came so late and not earlier than that... Players were generally well behaved!

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  41. I would saz expected level performance by Ramos

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  42. about of fitness, do you know any uefa elite referees with poor fitness?

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  43. Wow... was that a caution for dissent!?

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    1. I don't know if one or two.

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    2. Wasn't it Quaresma who was shown the YC?

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    3. YC was already shown when Quaresma started with dissent

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    4. Oh yeah right! It's Ronaldo who was booked, not Quaresma!

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  44. Clear red to Quaresma. Completely unscceptable behaviour.

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    1. In the rest of the world in any other football competition. Yes. But at the 2018 FIFA World Cup in Russia. Where a Swiss by the name Busacca and an Italian by the name Collina run the show. Unfortunately it's not even deserving of a caution.

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    2. Not necessarily Collina has asked not to give such obvious YCs... Ramos had to penalise that and it's his mistake! Ultra-lineant approach were only shown by Irmatov, Mazic and Ramos till now! All others found a proper middle line!

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    3. I know that’s how it works but I am basing my comment on the laws of the game not on what FIFA wants.

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    4. And yet when we look at todays matches. It wasn't Ramos who had a mass confrontation. Even with his lenient approach. Again not a fan at all. But he excelled in what he's been instructed to do based on the guidance he's received.

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  46. Awful positioning...
    Only the referee from UAE had that much problems

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    1. Worthy of another match overall?? Not this time, I think!

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  47. Well, the protests by both Cristiano Ronaldo and Quaresma were the cnsequence of the lenient style, he had to book both players. Or maybe to send off Quaresma, he was very aggressive. Again, I will never like this style, it can't work for my idea of football. Sorry, nothing against Ramos.

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    1. I really like this style, only thing i didnt like is that he always waits for few seconds before whistling foul

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    2. It was a big match for Ramos and he didn't want to disappoint either teams... But I agree not a greatly polished display by him overall and not great disciplinary control... Anyway Ramos is very young still, has many years left at the FIFA level and of course he will learn from these big match experiences!

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    3. I think it was not the result of lenient approach. It was simply frustration in the end of the game because of the result. I think we are on expected level and nobody will talk about Ramos after this game. Though minimum a YC but preferebly a red was deserved to Quaresma.

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    4. My only issue with this caution was the lack of one for Suarez about 5-10 minutes earlier when the ball was taken off him cleanly (from behind) and he ran after Ramos remonstrating.

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  48. Bad Ronaldo, who ruined his no YC goal. How Quaresma walks away without one is a mystery to me.

    I don't know how much of that is on Ramos or on his instructions. But at least for me, this is not the way to referee. Chefren said it way better than me.

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  49. Why is my comment deleted, can't I express my opinion that I think it was shameful performance?? Just my opinion..

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  50. I cannot understand why everyone is so negative. Of course he could/should have showed 1 or 2 yellow cards more but in the end the game was full under control without any crucial mistakes!

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    1. Because there is much more to refereeing than only crucial mistakes! Of course Ramos was good but some further polishing can be definitely done!

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    2. Because millions are watching the biggest players in the world not getting obvious yellow cards and then they think it’s okay to do wjat they do at lower level. And when refs at lower level give yellow for those things they will get angry.

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    3. I agree with both of you, as I said Ramos missed some YC cards. But nobody will talk about the referee tomorrow and that‘s fine. We‘ve seen Brych with a good performance and only one controverse scene. For me the German performed better but after the match he was the main theme in Serbia! So, with this „public“ view, Ramos was better.
      But I completely agree with you. This too lenient approach can‘t give a good image to lower league football.

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  51. All in all no mass confrontation or catastrophe due to the the responsibility of the players not crossing even the "last line", after a nervous ref feeling uncomfortable with his own laissez-faire style had allowed them everything and not set any frontiers. Bad positioning and very bad body language. Good physics, acceptable communication, but warnings without consequences being ignored by the players, acceptable foul detection. Challenging match. At least 4 mandatory YC missed. 7.7

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    1. Counted wrong cause no crucial mistake. But ... no satisf.match control and completely missing discipl.management. very bad positioning That is max. 8.0.!

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  52. I really didnt see major issues with Ramos performance tonight. No major situations about which we will talk tomorrow. Managed to keep control of potentially heated clash with cards in his pocket. Maybe he could give 2 or 3 but i really dont have problem with the fact that he didnt

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    1. It was not even close to heated otherwise with such an approach Ramos would lose control... He is lucky that players behaved quite well!

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    2. I said potentially heated

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  53. Positioning - very bad, everything else - cool

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    1. Expected level performance with some points of improvement is my summary!

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    2. My mark would be 8.1/8.2

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    3. Then it’s not expected level. Expected is 8.3-8.4

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    4. Good performance with some points of improvement... Or something like that... I don't exactly remember the wordings, but I think you understood what I wanted to mean roughly!

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    5. 8.1 satisfactory with important areas for improvement.
      8.2 satisfactory with small areas for improvement.

      It depends of how important you consider his bad positioning and too lenient card style.

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    6. Can someone explain this system of scoring to me? I've never seen it before.

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    7. http://imgbox.com/Zf659w1k

      I made this scale, combining UEFA scale with the scale of the FA (where I'm from).
      Maybe it can help you :-).

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    8. Is there a public document with the UEFA directions/etc available anywhere?

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  54. Very strong performance regarding communication, body language, personality, physical appearance. Positioning: much too often too close, has to run away ”in half-panic” to avoid colliding with ball/players. Had several opportunities to hand out YCs but was too lenient. In control. No big controversies. Nice to see how respectful Ronaldo was after the game when shaking Ramos’s hand.

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    1. Spot on! A balanced and fair analysis- my respect.

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    2. They know each other from the times of the Club World Cup Final and Ramos was very good there too and also Real Madrid won! So surely they were impressed with Ramos there as well!

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  55. Everybody and his mother is talking about the way too lenient approach and the bad positioning: in general terms I would 100% agree, but after 50 matches it looks to me as if this 'way too lenient approach' has been a fil rouge to connect most of the WC way of refereeing so far... and it cannot be a coincidence, PLC must have instructed referees accordingly IMO.
    If that is true, what is left is mostly his bad positioning especially when a team is attacking and the other is parking the bus. From time to time that was so evident that it was noticed even by the people I was watching the game with, who never look at the referee.
    In the end not a bad performance at all, nonetheless I would be surprised to see Ramos again this WC.

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  56. Poor control, he needed to pull his cards out of his pocket. He created a dangerous environment for the players by allowing things to get too rough.

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