The Polish has been selected after having officiated one of the two semifinals.
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| Marciniak with another final in his palmares |
One year after the World Cup Final in Qatar, Szymon Marciniak will be again in the middle as referee for a FIFA final. Tori Penso from the USA will oversee the Third Place game.
Final
22 December 2023, 19:00 CET
Manchester City FC (ENG) - Fluminense FC (BRA)
Referee: Szymon Marcinik POL
Assistant Referee 1: Tomasz Listkiewicz POL
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Kupsik POL
Fourth Official: Jesús Noel Valenzuela Sáez VEN
Reserve Assistant Referee: Tulio Moreno VEN
Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski POL
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Juan Ernesto Soto Arévalo VEN
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Jorge Urrego VEN
Support Video Assistant Referee: Juan Lara CHI
Referee: Szymon Marcinik POL
Assistant Referee 1: Tomasz Listkiewicz POL
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Kupsik POL
Fourth Official: Jesús Noel Valenzuela Sáez VEN
Reserve Assistant Referee: Tulio Moreno VEN
Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski POL
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Juan Ernesto Soto Arévalo VEN
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Jorge Urrego VEN
Support Video Assistant Referee: Juan Lara CHI
Third Place Game
22 December 2023, 15:30 CET
Urawa Red Diamonds (JPN) - Al Ahly SC (EGY)
Referee: Tori Penso USA
Assistant Referee 1: Brooke Mayo USA
Assistant Referee 2: Kathryn Nesbitt USA
Fourth Official: Jean Jacques Ndala Ngambo COD
Reserve Assistant Referee: Arsenio Chadreque Marengula MOZ
Video Assistant Referee: Tatiana Auxiliadora Guzmán Alguera NCA
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández ESP
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Elvis Guy Noupue Nguegoue CMR
Support Video Assistant Referee: Adil Zourak MAR
Referee: Tori Penso USA
Assistant Referee 1: Brooke Mayo USA
Assistant Referee 2: Kathryn Nesbitt USA
Fourth Official: Jean Jacques Ndala Ngambo COD
Reserve Assistant Referee: Arsenio Chadreque Marengula MOZ
Video Assistant Referee: Tatiana Auxiliadora Guzmán Alguera NCA
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández ESP
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Elvis Guy Noupue Nguegoue CMR
Support Video Assistant Referee: Adil Zourak MAR
Quite worrying if you ask me that Arbitro Internacional didn't release any tweet so far. I indeed hope that everything is OK!
ReplyDeleteAny predictions for winter promotions? Do you think there will be category movements, or the list will just be updated with referees joining/leaving it?
ReplyDeleteI'm more inclined for the latter, however if there actually are promotions I expect Eskås to Elite to be one of them. Despite several First Cat referees other than Eskås handling more than one GS game this season (Guida, Rumsas, Petrescu, Obrenovič, Frankowski, others like Pinheiro or Krogh could have had more than one game if it wasn't for U17 WC) most of them should still be watched more in winter/spring to talk about a possible promotion.
From Second to First, the candidates should be among those who had EL GS: Schnyder, Sozza, Karaoglan, Ciochirca, Maresca, Robertson, Brooks, Jones.
Very interesting topic Quilava; Watching at recent appointments and considering that the movements are always limited and restricted to few ones in the middle of the season, I see only Eksas as promoted to Elite. Up to last year I was almost sure of Pinheiro and Mariani but it seems that they are currently degraded to lower position in the rank, out of the orbit. Especially Mariani seems now fighting with Guida for a promotion, since the latter got 3 CL GS matches.
DeleteConcerning other names a potential names could be Obrenovic, Rumsas and Petrescu but I really think that it could be too early and they need to be more tested before entering in the highest class.
I guess that it would be time for seriously considering demotion too: What damn sense to keep Sidiropolus, Kulbakov, Collum and maybe Grinfeeld ? Does it make sense to have 31 elites and use mainly 10 or 15 ? Come on !
On other hand I'm wondering if Hategan and Meler will continue.
Concerning second to first class promotion I'm almost sure that Sozza, Karagloan, Jones and Schynder will get it. The Italian is currently the bright future for our country and since he is already 37 y.o. he needs to be foster on top level.
Thanks for your feedback
Ok, sorry for my comment; I just saw the post on the re-catherization, but I was not far from it: Eksas, Guida and Schnyder. Surprised by Sozza still in 2nd
DeleteFINAL, FULL APPOINTMENT
ReplyDelete22 December 2023, 19:00 CET
Manchester City FC (ENG) - Fluminense FC (BRA)
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Kupsik (POL)
Fourth Official: Jesús Noel Valenzuela Sáez (VEN)
Reserve Assistant Referee: Tulio Moreno (VEN)
Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Juan Ernesto Soto Arévalo (VEN)
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Jorge Urrego (VEN)
Support Video Assistant Referee: Juan Lara (CHI)
Warmest congratulation to Marciniak, who in 12 months got everything possible: World Cup Final, Champion League Final and now Club World Cup Final. He is really the best referee in the world, with an excellent and grace shape on fitness, psychology and technique and probably he is very very appreciate by Collina, who has eyes only for him..... :-) But that's normal in the life: in each business and job one makes a huge carrier when he is skilled and when he also has a chief biased on him. Well done Szymon !
ReplyDeleteThis is bizarre.
ReplyDeleteLet me remind you that Marciniak was not among the top 3 best referees in the 2021/2022 season.
He had VAR interventions in Juventus-Villareal (R16).
In Real Madrid - Chelsea (QF) he gave a wrong corner that resulted in a goal.
In the semi-final he got a 1st leg instead of a more challenging 2nd leg. The least semi-finale on paper. Turpin and Makkelie were better referees that season. The former was assinged to the final. And even the not entirely fit Orsato was more trusted than Marciniak and got the semi-final return game. The big clash.
I say again, Marciniak was not a Top-3 referee in 21/22. Just a few months later he was rewarded with a World Cup final, after just 2 games in Qatar, without a big final in his Palmares. That is quite special, huh? And yes, he got the final based on form in Qatar. Very deserved and I didn't see any alternatives. This shows that a referee is 'as good as his last match'. Peaking at the right time. And the fact that the boss has an obsession with him helps, too. I find it ridiculous that Collina would have said to him: "tell me what you want and I will arrange it for you". How can you sell that to other top flight referees? This is remarkable, to say the least. And Marciniak no longer has the technical accuracy he had at the World Cup. And also not the courage to reject a VAR advice in front of the screen because it concerned PSG. I was a fan of him during the World Cup, but in recent weeks he is not the same referee. And FIFA/Collina's management of referees is ridiculous...
FULL APPOINTMENT
ReplyDelete3rd Place Final
22 December 2023, 15:30 CET
Urawa Red Diamonds (JPN) - Al Ahly SC (EGY)
Referee: Tori Penso (USA)
Assistant Referee 1: Brooke Mayo (USA)
Assistant Referee 2: Kathryn Nesbitt (USA)
Fourth Official: Jean Jacques Ndala Ngambo (COD)
Reserve Assistant Referee: Arsenio Chadreque Marengula (MOZ)
Video Assistant Referee: Tatiana Auxiliadora Guzmán Alguera (NCA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Elvis Guy Noupue Nguegoue (CMR)
Support Video Assistant Referee: Adil Zourak (MAR)
The English FA have appointed two VAR officials to all third round FA Cup ties taking place at Premier League grounds- from 4th to 8th January
ReplyDeleteIncredibly soft if not wrong penalty by Penso. Hard for VAR to intervene, even though I think Guzman should have done that. Penalty missed then.
ReplyDeleteOtherwise pretty good performance with pretty good foul recognition and good interaction with players. Nesbitt also with a great offside decision to disallow a goal in the second half. She is just such a top-top level AR.
DeleteOne thing I again don't like and I cannot help on that but regardless it's Penso, Frappart or any other female referee, physically they simply cannot keep tempo.
The game became so boring that in the last 20 mins I only watched Penso and her running/movement and especially stood out that diagonal movement is not existing in order to keep herself somehow closer to play. And this game was not even a high tempo, challenging game.
And that's just my opinion and always try to be ready to change my opinion, but these appointments to me simply not justified and really unfair if we look at how much and how hard male referees need to work to grow not only internationally but even domestically. (Just look at wgy Frappart got CL appointment, while much better refs never ever got the chance)
And I hope this is not going against any values or principles of the blog, but watching these tendencies I am still not convinced apart from PR why this is so great for football and why it's so terrible to use female referees in female competitions and male referees in male competitions.
Agree with comments regarding Penso, the PK call was a farce given where the ball was kicked, and goalkeeper...just a play on , maybe a quiet word after, but to call a PK there..wow Also, no players appealed for this, as they all know its nothing. She also doesnt keep up diagonalluy, but credit due..all female crew working a game in Saudi Arabia is good for the world. So kudos,
ReplyDeleteI would like to see more replays of the penalty decision itself at 17’; well-seen by Kupsik on the offside.
ReplyDeleteIsn’t the offside call at 35’, fully coherent with common-sense of course, completely wrong according to the current Law11 interpretation?
DeleteVery very crude scissors tackle foul at 68’ which brings a YC (should be SFP, tbh). The nature of the game changed at about 60’ and I’m not completely sure that Marciniak adapted in the optimal way.
DeleteWell it seems that Marciniak disabused me a bit and played ZERO additional time for exactly the reason I eluded to (Fluminense frustration). I’m not sure another referee would have felt able to do that under Collina’s regime. Clips to follow.
DeletePenso's penalties:
ReplyDeleteUrawa -- https://www.streambug.io/cv/c7847a
Al-Ahly -- https://www.streambug.io/cv/024a63
Contrary to Theref (thx for your report!), the penalty to the Egyptian side seems justified to me - the defender played the man and blocked/held held the attacker. Whether most referees would give it is probably a different question though.
Slightly different opinion by my side, for me penalty to Al AHly is rather soft, but with evident reasons to whistle it (holding). The fact is that this was not so much significant and nobody would have cared about it, but surely not a negative thing to make this call, the problem is consistency.
DeleteIt is also interesting to see how the US referee manages the players after having whistled the penalty to Egyptian team, I think he gained some respect there. I think these are the aspects on which one should analyze how a female referee is accepted / interacts positively with players, in a men's game.
The previous handball very classic case very hard to spot, good intervention by Guzman. In Serie A we had a quite similar scene exactly today in Sassuolo - Genoa, and OFR. For Rocchi there isn't any reduction of mark when it is evident that field referee can't see it at all.
...but rewatching the call of second penalty, how she spotted it, seems to be quite difficult to understand. She was looking at the ball in another direction when most of incident had happened, then when she turned head, it was already happened. A whistle based on intuition? AR2? I think rather the former option... also for this reason, one can't be 100% convinced, I think, but just my opinion of course.
DeleteIn my opinion, penalty to Al Ahly cannot be deemed wrong. Yes, it does seem soft, but there is also enough holding to, given the motion, be considered punishable. To be frank, I'm not sure I would have given this penalty, I certainly don't "like" it, but I cannot call it wrong either. Only my personal opinion, of course. In accordance with that, I find the non-intervention by VAR to be correct.
DeleteOf course the second decision is supportable, but for me when a penalty is only ”supportable”, it becomes wrong for me. I don’t want to see 60/40 or 70/30 PKs. Therefore for me this call is ”wrong”, not in terms of technical aspects and probably not in marks, but in terms of spirits of the game it feels soft and therefore wrong.
DeleteMikael! What is the general picture of Marciniak in this match?
ReplyDelete(waiting for the match to be uploaded for cutting clips)
DeleteSamuel: good! Without question. The match was generally lop-sided and was therefore, contrary to the semifinal, no real test for the Pole. This changed a little bit with half-an-hour to go, where my feeling was that Fluminense players decided they didn't have much chance of winning the game and this could boil over into heavy fouls against their opponents. Being very pedantic in analysis, you could pick out one or the other scene where Marciniak could have reacted slightly differently in order to 'curb' the attitude of the Brazilians (the biggest would be whistling down the Kennedy lunge in attack, even as IFK; this happened a few mins before the Rodri foul and may have even prevented it occurring). Whistling for fulltime as he did showed Marciniak did realise what was going on.
Good performance - 8,4 would be a fair mark imo.
Mikael! Thank you very much for your rating.
DeleteMy pleasure! :)
DeleteClips:
Offside -- https://www.streambug.io/cv/283efc
Tackle -- https://www.streambug.io/cv/da1e7d
Fulltime -- https://www.streambug.io/cv/ca4d7b
After watching the game, I can say it was a very good performance for me, in a pretty straightforward game for the first 60 min, but with visible signs of frustration of Fluminense players in the last half an hour or so, as Mikael correctly perceived. Firstly, let me state I am satisfied with Marciniak's foul detection and disciplinary management in general, and all remarks stated below can be seen as a little bit pedantic from my side.
DeleteI think Marciniak was perfectly aware of the rising tensions from Fluminense players, as visible in the way he correctly cautioned Marcelo in 57' while clearly trying to assert his authority just after a potential confrontation between Felipe Melo and Bernardo Silva, which was also prevented using his physical presence and somewhat intense demonstration of authority towards both players. I liked his approach in those moments, however, just like Mikael, I believe he could have used a few subsequent opportunities to slow down the game and "cool down" the Brazilians, mainly that lunge by Kennedy while attacking which Mikael also mentioned (I cannot remember the exact minute, I'm sorry; it just stuck in my memory as a potential opportunity to "slow things down"). As if to prove my point, he did end the match at the earliest possible moment, which surprised me quite a lot given Collina's standing on additional time. However, at least for me, it was a very smart move: there was absolutely no need to risk any potential serious foul and/or injury, especially if we take into account the foul by Alexsander on Rodri in 68'.
Coming to that single situation, my personal preference would be SFP: just look at the intensity of the lunge by Alexsander ("lunge" should be the exact word to describe it), as well as the consequences (twist of Rodri's foot, his leg becoming trapped in a scissor tackle, risking a serious injury to the knee and/or ankle). However, based on everything we've seen so far, I somehow cannot imagine Marciniak giving a RC for this, and especially VAR intervention by Kwiatkowski. What's more, I have a feeling most people expect a YC here and would deem a RC as being excessive (maybe I'm wrong). Let's say it was definitely an "orange" card, but my personal preference is certainly red. All the other disciplinary measures were optimal for me.
As for Mikael's other questions: after slowing the footage to 0.25 of normal speed, the initial penalty decision in 17' seems to be correct: tripping by Ederson on Cano's right leg. Maybe I'm missing something here, but my live impression was pretty instant. Also, a very good offside decision by AR2 Kupsik. As for the offside by AR1 in 35', it does seem to be wrong according to current interpretation, but if we apply common sense, it is (at least for me) pretty clear that Felipe Melo's reaction was influenced by Man City player coming out of offside position directly behind. Judging by City player's reaction, he expected such a decision too.
To sum up, I think we saw a very good performance by Marciniak and crew tonight. His management skills were impressive as usual; I can point out his instant reaction to prevent any possible altercation between Melo and Silva in 56' as confirmation of his awareness of potential troublemakers, as we all know Felipe Melo can be considered as such. To further prove my point about his awareness of Fluminense's frustration, I observed him trying to stay closer to play, especially when potential duels were to happen, during the latter stages of the 2H; I find this to be an attempt to prevent any potential trouble using his physical presence, in the hopes of bringing the match to the end as painlessly as possible. All things considered, he managed to do it, but some refined details stated above and, above all, the lack of real difficulty of the game itself prevent me from describing this performance as anything special. Very good should suffice IMO.
The tackle is indeed red card, player was fully aware of the position of the ball, but he wanted to try this tackle endangering the safety of opponent who was closer. This can be a very particular case in which the red card is also in the intention of the player and not only in the outcome, but of course we muat judge based on tùhe latter criterion. Still, red card for me. He could have easily avoided that.
DeleteAbout final whistle, you said everything right. With the guidelines by Collina, ending a game without adding any single minute, would lead to very bad effects to most of referees, but I'm sure in this case the Polish explained the reason to Collina and he accepted. To be even more accurate, Collina understood definitely by himself, but maybe another referee wouldn't have dared that!
Also, I didn't watch the game, but in the early seconds of this clip, the attitude of Brazilian team is very visible and the frustration absolutely high. Marciniak at the end did a good thing.
A few words about this tournament: so many games but in the final the UEFA team beats 4-0 the CONMEBOL representative...one should think about the next editions
https://www.fifa.com/technical/refereeing/international-referees
ReplyDeleteThanks! Good job by FIFA with this list. Waiting for 2024 one! :)
DeleteReally such a "good job" by FIFA? According to this list Bernadettar Kwimbira from Malawi, born in 1981, became an international assistant reteree in 1996 at the age of (still) 14. 🤔
Delete(At least for the year 2020, they seem to have corrected the date in the following years.)
Deletehttps://twitter.com/Kloppholic/status/1738618842471883023
ReplyDeleteYour opinion? For me it's clear penalty for Liverpool. VAR David Coote did not interneve
I get what Coote thought - the defender losing his balance and therefore the arm position being natural. Of course, 100% penalty in UEFA.
DeleteRoma v Napoli - what a hot match!
ReplyDeleteFirst 25 mins were cool,then from 28' to 38' we saw 6 YC's,including 2 for both coaches.
DeleteVery tense match,only thing that's saving match from being impossible is that result is 0 0.
So to resume Colombo's fiery match at the end:12 YC's,2 RC's and plenty talking.
ReplyDeleteAll bookings were justified,1 or 2 maybe too harsh but that's why I say it can be justified.
2 talking points:
RC to Politano and Osimhen.
RC that Politano received is absolutely spot on,great that referee saw that at first.
And Osimhen we can say is harsh,but supportable atleast.
Once foul is whistled,there is no other option than YC and considering Osimhen had 1 already ,hmm.
Clasic Jose had his show in 1st half but in 2nd half he calmed down,probably due to result.
Also,we had fiesty La Liga match between Atletico and Sevilla.
10 YC's,1 RC...
There I will praise VAR whoever they were cause in matter of seconds YC was overturned to RC.
Difficult match for Grado,2 teams that have problematic players but he somehow with his style guided them to the end.
What we talked about Bastien,that he gets comlicated, matches maybe now that can be said for Grado:
Getafe-Barca
Cadiz-Sevilla
Spartak -Lech
Sevilla- Real
Just to name a few...
Now today we have some complicated matches,Wolves-Chelsea and of course the big one;
Fenerbahce-Galatasaray.