Wednesday, 11 December 2019

Champions League 2019/20 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 6 (II)

Wednesday's appointments for 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Matchday 6. 
Group C
11 December 2019, 18:55 CET - Zagreb (Stadion Maksimir)
GNK Dinamo (CRO) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Javier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Ingvarsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Steen Michael Dahrup (DEN)

Group C
11 December 2019, 18:55 CET - Kharkiv (OSK Metalist)
FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) - Atalanta BC (ITA)
Referee: Felix Zwayer (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Thorsten Schiffner (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Marco Achmüller (GER)
Fourth Official: Robert Schröder (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sándor Piller (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Jan Willem Van Dop (NED)

Group A
11 December 2019, 21:00 CET - Bruges (Jan Breydelstadion)
Club Brugge (BEL) - Real Madrid CF (ESP)
Referee: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Pickel (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Fourth Official: Harm Osmers (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tobias Christ (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Costas Kapitanis (CYP)
UEFA Delegate: Vasco Dojcinovski (MKD)

Group A
11 December 2019, 21:00 CET - Paris (Parc des Princes)
Paris Saint Germain (FRA) - Galatasaray (TUR)
Referee: István Kovács (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Vasile Florin Marinescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Mihai Ovidiu Artene (ROU)
Fourth Official: Marius Avram (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Michael Fabbri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bo Karlsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Roy Cathcart (NIR)

Group B
11 December 2019, 20:45 CET - Piraeus (Stadio Georgios Karaiskakis)
Olympiacos FC (GRE) - FK Crvena zvezda (SRB)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Lorenzo Manganelli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Karen Nalbandyan (ARM)
UEFA Delegate: Philippe Prudhon (FRA)

Group B
11 December 2019, 20:45 CET - Munich (Fußball Arena München)
FC Bayern München (GER) - Tottenham Hotspur (ENG)
Referee: Gianluca Rocchi (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Filippo Meli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Giorgio Peretti (ITA)
Fourth Official: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Markus Nobs (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Anna Bordiugova (UKR)

Group D
11 December 2019, 20:45 CET - Madrid (Estadio Metropolitano)
Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) - FC Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS)
Referee: Viktor Kassai (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: György Ring.(HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: Vencel Toth (HUN)
Fourth Official: Tamás Bognár (HUN)
Video Assistant Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Lucílio Cardoso Cortez Batista (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Dusko Grabovac (CRO)

Group D
11 December 2019, 20:45 CET - Leverkusen (BayArena)
Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER) - Juventus (ITA)
Referee: Benoît Bastien (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Hicham Zakrani (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Frédéric Haquette (FRA)
Fourth Official: Karim Abed (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Amaury Delerue (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kyros Vassaras (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: David Pugh (ENG)

143 comments:

  1. Expected appointment for gianluca rocchi...perfect fareware for him..
    Goodluck to him...

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    1. Maybe we see him again in UEL, there are many crucial matches.

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  3. As we guessed, Rocchi in Munich, good last match for him. Committee seems to have a big trust in Zwayer. After Valencia-Chelsea now the next big match.

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    1. He wasn't exactly brilliant in Valencia-Chelsea either.

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    2. Not brilliant but definetely not bad, still I agree that it is a bit surprising.

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    3. Crucial calls were OK, no VAR intervention for correcting any single decision, we must underline that before all the other things. But yes, apart from that, not the best day for Zwayer, this can happen, I repeat myself he looked to be annoyed by players. He will do surely better in this next game.

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    4. Surprising to not see Brych instead, last MD quite a "boring" appointment (Lille-Ajax) and Zwayer with the big match (Valencia-Chelsea), I personally would have swapped these. Brych had Donetsk on MD2 though so that may be a reason now. Lett's wait for EL appointments, many crucial games there. Did UEFA still not publish the EL appointments @Chefren?

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    5. No, I think we will have to wait for tomorrow.

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  4. Viktor Kassai is back! Back from very good exploits at the end of the Chinese SL season, crucial match for him on the road to EURO 2020.

    Zwayer obviously passed the test under Dallas' eyes and UEFA were satisfied by his performance in VALCHE - very crucial game, I might have swapped the appointments in that group.

    Great game for Orsato and nice game for Rocchi to finish his international career - we should reflect on one of the great referees of our time as the Italian blows his final (UEFA) whistle!

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    1. In which game was Zwayer observed by Dallas?

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    2. I think you’re mistaken and mixed up Dallas and Batta.

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    3. Yes, crucial match for Kassai but he is experienced enough. I hope that everything will be fine.

      Expected (farewell) appointment for Rocchi. Also crucial match for Bastien in front of Kyros Vassaras.

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    4. Anonymous you are indeed correct, Batta observed him in Madrid - apologies :)

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  5. Interested for Marciniak situation, we have thought he will be main referee but he is only Var in not big game :/ Nice to see Rocchi and very big suprise No Skomina for match maybe again EL for him, in my opinion Skomina is better referee and more experience than Taylor and Turpin but he has only 2 matches CL, This situation is strange

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  6. For me very funny is, after MD6 Bastien will have 2 matches in CL the same result as Skomina

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  7. Tobias Christ is AVAR with Dingert as VAR between Brugge - Madrid.

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    1. That is a special appointment, because Christ is a specialised AR, who is not on the FIFA list.
      Has that happened before on the AVAR position in CL?
      Christ is however Dingert's Bundesliga AR1 for years, so they have a lot of experience together.

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    2. So we know the reason for that now after EL appointments. There were just no German FIFA referees left (apart from Welz but he seems to be left out by UEFA).

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  8. Also - very important game for Benoît Bastien under the eyes of Kýros Vassáras (EURO?).

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  9. UEFA Europa League appointments still not revealed by UEFA.
    Strange, maybe some last minute changes...

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  10. Anyone knows Youth League Referees and Observers appointments?

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    1. Read the previous post, CL for Tuesday. They are there.

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  11. Russia has been banned from WC 2020

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    1. To be checked whether this ban is also for Russian referees in all competitions...

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    2. EURO 2020 is however not included (at the moment). It's only about Olympic Games and World Championships.

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    3. But only in Athletics and a handful of other sports, right?

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    4. UEFA didn't sign WADA Codex! But FIFA did it, so we will see Russia at EURO2020, Saint Petersburg will host EURO matches and we possibly will see Karasev at EURO

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    1. Still not published by UEFA. Maybe tomorrow. I don't know the reason. Until MD6 on last season, they were published on Monday. Then from KO stage, on Tuesday.

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  13. https://www.rfef.es/noticias/alejandro-hernandez-hernandez-dirigira-proximo-fc-barcelona-real-madrid-cf

    It seems as Alejandro Hernández Hernández has a special feeling with El Clasico, he already collected several appointments in this game, RFEF-CTA has a big trust in him...

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    1. Perfect news, HDZ HDZ is a great ref.

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    2. But IMO he has a too high amount appointments for Clásicos that are not completely justified when compared to other referees.

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    3. In my opinion one of the worst spanish referee

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  14. Norway promotions/demotions:

    Eliteserien:
    New:
    - Marius Hansen Grøtta (1992, sports teacher, Nordmøre og Romsdal, OBOS since 2017)
    - Sivert Ø. Amland (1993, medical doctor, Hordaland, OBOS since 2016)
    - Usman Aslam (1990, soldier, Buskerud, OBOS since 2017)

    Demoted:
    - Trygve Kjensli (1972, IT manager, Oslo, Eliteserien since 2011)
    - Trond Ivar Døvle (1975, referee consultant, Akershus, Eliteserien since 2010)

    OBOS-ligaen:
    New:
    - Martin Berg (1994, sport teacher, Nordland, Postnord since 2018)
    - Mischa Kellerhals (1994, student, Rogaland, Postnord since 2017)
    - Ole-Alexander Valen (1987, accountant, Østfold, Postnord since 2010)
    - Stian Røvig Sletner (1996, electrician, Oslo, Postnord since 2018)

    Demoted:
    - Mads Følstad Skarsem (1989, salesman, Trøndelag, OBOS since 2016)
    - Torkjell Trædal (1990, journalist, Oslo, Obos since 2015)

    Postnord-ligaen:
    New:
    - André Birkeland (1997, technician, Rogaland)
    - Bendik Haarberg (1993, teacher, Nordmøre og Romsdal)
    - Bobby Madley (1985, independent professional, Oslo)
    - Johan William Grundt (1998, student, Indre Østland)
    - Kristian Kristiansen (1990, adviser, Troms)
    - Oliver Barsøe (1997, student, Trøndelag)
    - Sondre Brudvik (1998, student, Hordaland)

    Leaving:
    - Adrian Gjendemsjø (1994, commercial pilot, Hordaland, Postnord since 2014)
    - Henrik Pettersen (1991, kindergarden teacher, Østfold, Postnord since 2013)
    - Ole Ragnar Knutsen (1992, bartender/gas station employee, Hålogaland, Postnord since 2019)
    - Shervin Enger Heydary (1991, insurance claims agent, Indre Østland, Postnord since 2012)
    - Sulman Maroof Hussain (1991, lawyer, Oslo, Postnord since 2013)

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    1. Do any of these three have any potential?

      I also see one referee born 1996 promoted to OBOS league, that looks very promising!

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    2. I must say that Norwegian referees are a well educated bunch!

      All honour to the medical doctors, teachers, commercial pilots and lawyers combining their jobs with refereeing at a high level.

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    3. Interesting that Madley is at the third highest level. If he's good enough for the Premier League and the FIFA list, why isn't he good enough for the top division in Norway?

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    4. Aslam has the most potential IMO. A very strong leader with an elegant style. Reminds me of Mohammed Al-Hakim from Sweden. Amland needs more strength and personality to referee the tough games. Grøtta needs more time, his fitness is excellent, but he often does some weird things that the game doesn't expect.

      Among the new referees in OBOS you have Berg who has great potential and has been a revelation, Valen is an excellent, no-nonsense referee, who has lost a lot of weight recently. His age is against him though.

      Kellerhals and Sletner are a bit of the same story: Pushed through the system, good fitness, needs more personality before the next step is taken.

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  15. The appointment of Kassai makes me think that he will go to EURO and I'm really happy for him. A huge talent who suffered many injures and troubles in his career, sometimes his fault, yes, but mostly also unlucky events. Good luck to Viktor. Who was following UEFA refereeing in 2010 - 2011, nowadays can talk about a phenomenon.

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  16. Looking at ARs from Spain and appointments in LaLiga for next weekend, I'd strongly bet that Martínez Munuera and Sánchez Martínez are appointed for UEL.

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  17. Any news on Club World Cup appointments?

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  18. Any Club World Cup assignments yet?

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    1. The blog will follow closely the competition, no appointments so far for thte first game, to be played on 11/12. I think tomorrow we will know the officials for this play off.

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  19. Hernandez Hernandez at El Clasicco

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  20. Norwegian Cup Final

    FK Haugesund - FK Viking Stavanger
    REF: Espen Andreas Eskås
    AR1: Anders Olav Dale
    AR2: Runar Langseth
    4th: Rohit Saggi

    Video Clips:

    => 50' Penalty (charging) to Viking and YC to HAU No.19 [foul? SPA vs. DOGSO?]
    https://streamable.com/1u99r


    Well-handled challenging game by Eskås. His style is surely very tiring to execute - he was ALWAYS very close, with simply excellent sprints (on a level to Clattenburg in his prime). With that in mind, it was impressive he kept full concentration / overview throughout, taking very good decisions (foul detection, disciplinary control) in a busy game. I found his presence a bit too discreet and I missed any empathic / firm talks, especially regarding some (borderline) unsporting behaviours, though.

    Would be interested in your thoughts on 50' - if we accept that decision (penalty + YC), good performance by Eskås.

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    1. Thanks for this report!
      But no penalty for me, definitely too soft. I also notice a thing: a very early whistle there, it looks like referee was expecting that, maybe too impulsive reaction, thinking of a more serious foul? On paper, an observer could back that, but for me no penalty.

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    2. @Chefren
      I would say more unpopular than soft. Look at the defender in this situation. Personally, I don't think he has any interest in playing the ball. All about he's interested in, is moving into attacker's path. I don't see defender wants to fight for the ball so I would more lean towards penalty.

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  21. Davide Massa for derby Copenhagen - Malmo, Brych for Rangers- Young Boys...

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  22. Very interesting change in Stielers team: Sascha Thielert (non-FIFA) replaces AR1 Mike Pickel. Gittelmann now AR1 and Thielert AR2. Due to the many German appointments this week, I think there is no other German FIFA assistant referee left.

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    1. Very interesting indeed. Now 2 (3 if we include FO) non FIFA referees at this match. But Sascha Thielert is one of the best ARs in Germany, so definetely a good replacement.

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    2. Thielert is also the most experienced non-FIFA referee in Germany with 215 matches in 1. Bundesliga.
      And he worked in Stieler's team for several seasons.

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    3. I can only agree. Thielert is for sure one of the 5 best AR's in Germany. Remarkable change in the team, but not a real issue.

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    4. How Thielert is non a FIFA AR is completely beyond me. Consistently one of the top 2 in Germany.

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  23. Offside flag by AR2 in Kharkiv, disallowed goal. Correct decision, very tight offside.

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  24. Superb advantage by del Cerro Grande prior to City's goal, but then missed YC for the foul. Also, some appeals for a foul on the defender before the goal, but IMO no mistake to play on.

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  25. Missed RC in 45 min by del Cerro for eblow in face!

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    1. Agreed, clear ellbow in the face. No VAR intervention...

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    2. Pointed elbow with force into the face. Surely an OFR had to be recommended for that

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    3. +1

      Terrible and ridiculous that Jesús Gil Manzano didn't intervene

      Guillermo Cuadra Fernández theoretically had chances to see that but MNC player ran in his way

      We really lost football if that is not an objective Violent Conduct...

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    4. Yes, for me is clear RC. I can don't understand why no VAR intervention.

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    5. Do you have a video? I couldn't watch the full first half and missed the situation. Thanks!

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    6. Poor quality but best I can find currently.
      https://streamable.com/grib7

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    7. That's a clear violent conduct. No doubts at all. Player knows exactly that opponent is coming and what he does is absolutely deliberate. Even with the strict guidelines (only intervention in VERY CLEAR situations) given to UEFA VARs, this should be RC without doubts.

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    8. Absolutely, RC. Gil Manzano, once again, making me ask myself how on Earth he got to be Elite.

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    9. And thanks for the video!

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  26. Average first half for Del Cerro.
    Missed YC before City goal after given advantage,controversial goal for City with 2 Dinamo players injured and at the end maybe missed RC,atleast YC imo.

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  27. DZG vs MCI 45' - del Cerro Grande with a minimum missed YC for reckless use of arms, I appreciate he didn't have a great view, but imo it's a RC for violent conduct, and VAR should be recommending a review as this is a missed incident if not a clear and obvious error.

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  28. 55': Zwayer definitely missed a second YC to Muriel (Atalanta).

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    1. I don't know how he closed his eyes to this card

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    2. if atalanta scores this missed red will be group decider

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    3. I totally agree, for me there is no real reason to not send him off.
      Zwayer already gave him a warning after the correct first yellow card.

      I´m afraid since the Italians are in front, there will be a lot of time wasting and unsports behaviour.

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  29. Missed superclear 2nd yellow card for Muriel. Honestly, I don't understand how this guy named Zwayer whistles at this level.

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    1. Technically, fitness, personality - he is an Elite referee, sure.

      But this time I agree with you, his ultra-revisionist mentality is not acceptable and it's terrible that UEFA endorses that by continually appointing him on a high level, time-after-time.

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    2. In Bundesliga he is unpredictable. Sometimes getting emotional and losing control, ending in a flood of cards, sometimes much to leniant... IMO Aytekin and Seibert are much better.

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  30. 100% second YC for Muriel (Atalanta) but Zwayer bottled the decision. Scandalous really, he saw it perfectly and gave the foul but not YC

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  31. Now the player has been decisive in the action leading to a goal scored by Atalanta.
    I'm sorry to say that this score is affected by Zwayer mistake, and it was for sure a very easy decision to take.

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    1. we all know he 'll eventually get a R16 appointment

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    2. No worries... We'll find again an excusion for a referee who is simply not DOING HIS JOB. By the way it is not so difficult to show a card where it is due to, isn't it? Or we will call this again 'a lazy style of refereeing'?

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    3. Was first yellow card for muriel so clear? Not in my opinion...

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  32. Now YC to Freuler for SPA, but in my opinion it wasn't foul. However, once whistled, you have to show it. Not the best day for Zwayer.

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  33. RC for violent conduct suggested by AR1, Zwayer had missed this situation! I'm not sure this was a clear RC to be honest...

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    1. Not a RC in my opinion too. Wrong perception by AR1. Definitely a bad evening for Zwayer. What makes me even more critical is that I'm sure that he knew Muriel deserved 2YC. It was his own decision not to book him again. It's as if referees got blamed for changing the game or reducing the show in any situation. But if ATA was down to 10 men, it's clearly Muriel's fault, not Zwayer's of course

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  34. Zwayer is sophisticated referee, we know him from Bundesliga, he takes unexpected decisions to show he is a star.

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  35. Correct penalty to Atletico by Kassai. VAR confirmed.

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    1. Missed intervention as the GK saved the penalty off the line - but Marciniak is only following (stupid) orders

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  36. There will again be talk about a different attitude towards large and small countries (from the point of view of football, not territory). For some reason, this often happens with Ukrainian teams.

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    1. Strongly disagree about this statement. Mistakes are mistakes, nothing more. No room for conspiracy there!

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  37. If you ask me, excellent decision recommended by Thorsten Schiffner to issue a RC to SHK No.98.

    Deliberately striking his opponent's face whilst not challenging for the ball - no doubts!

    Watch the live sequence and I think you will agree with me.

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    1. “Unless the force used was negligible”.

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  38. Great intervention by Marciniak, penalty (handling) to Atlético.

    Kassai was far away and someone ran into the view of Vencel Tóth.

    Very efficient too - perfect scene to 'advertise' the pros of having VAR!

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  39. Now a disallowed goal for Atlético after VAR intervention, AR2 missed a (very tight) offside by Morata.

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  40. Second VAR intervention in Madrid for changing a decision, a very tight offside was missed by AR2, however still not a good thing for the officials on the pitch.

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  41. Clear and correct penalty from Orsato in Athens. He was close, but first make a move with his hands like it wasn't foul, but immediately changed his decision. VAR easily confirmed. Very good Orsato in 1st half, correct YCs (one is rather orange, but no VAR suggestion).

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    1. Here is the scene

      https://streamable.com/hpawp

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  42. A question: When VAR intervenes and changes the original decision of the ref is this in UEFA/FIFA formally considered a mistake by the ref or rather an instance of good cooperation? The reason I'm asking is that in the Czech league the committee always publicly comments on all mistakes during the previous weekend and they always point these out as ref mistakes later remedied by VAR. I feel like this unnecessarily creates a negative atmosphere around refereeing because rather than pointing out that the correct outcome was achieved they always have a list of mistakes which the media then discusses in length.

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    1. It's a mistake, which Had to bei corrected by outside.

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  43. 51' - Missed 2nd caution for LOK No.7 (reckless strike, even LoR(?)); Kassai turned at the wrong moment and missed it on a perception level by seconds.

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  44. It seems to me that german referees like to be in focus for some reason, and every now and then they (not deliberately) "ruin" an important game. Instead of combination of following rules and, in some rare situations, common sense, they choose some strange management which usually turns out to be disaster.
    Brych and Aytekin are famous for that, and now Zwayer "joined the club".

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    1. That is a complete Nonsens. The quality of refereeing has nothing to do with nations. You should not publish your personal prejudices. Zwayer is just overrated - Brych a good old style ref and Aytekin the best ref in Bundesliga, with Siebert being a promising future talent.

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    2. If you read carefully, I didnt say that german referees are bad, and I dont think they are. I said they tend to make some strange unordinary decisions, which turn out to be game changing and wrong in most situations. When you know that refs from the same nation have same instructors and are on the same seminars, IMO you can at least propose that some common things are not a coincidence, even if you cant proove it.
      I am aware that I didnt give examples, but I can do this, I only dont think its appropriate to write essays here.

      Regarding Aytekin, I like his DJ and bonbons eating skills (videos could be found on youtube) . Dont know if that makes him the best though:)

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  45. Could Kovacs give the same penalty to Galatasaray? lol :) i dont like this style refs.

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  46. 86' Correct penalty (handling) to Olympiakós, YC for SPA

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    1. Such a stupid penalty in such important game for Red Star and Serbian football, in such important moment. Moment of madness.

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  47. I suggest to watch the very difficult management / preparation of penalty kick whistled by Kovacs in Paris. It took a very long time. Not accepted at all by Turkish players, very soft whistle in my opinion, but not totally wrong, so VAR was right in supporting.

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  48. I wanted to make a video of Rocchi "final" whistle but he whistled 10 seconds before and there wasn't any close-up on him by broadcaster...

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    1. Haha yeah, that would be nice. IMO definitely one of the best referees in the world, it was great to watch games where he was delegated.

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    2. Broadcast I watched didn't even mention (or didn't know) that it was Rocchi's last European game. Very disappointing.

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    3. Jackson, referees are not in focus in this sport. If you were a player you wouldn't care if it's the last game for the ref. The fans don't either. It's how it is.

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    4. That's not true victor. I have seen many referees given a farewell by players and fans who knew it was their last game.

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  49. Unfortunately Red Star is out after incredibly stupid penalty in 86', but I have to say that Orsato was brilliant. Maybe strong word, but he was at the highest level. I don't think he made a single mistake: foul detection, yellow cards, excellent advantages, time management, 2 penalties... Everything correct. Also his ARs were excellent. So, I believe we will see Orsato in some important KO matches.

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    1. Glad to hear this, Orsato has been performing at incredibly high level this year, even more than in the past, both in Italy and in Europe.

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  50. Does anyone know how Bastien performed tonight ?
    Thanks !

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    1. I watched the game until about 70'. I have some mixed feelings about his performance. Good foul detection, fitness, communication, prevention and body language... BUT he clearly didn't want to show any card (don't know if he did in the last minutes). There were a few situations were a YC was possible, if not expected from everybody, and he simply didn't show it. I also didn't see a strong verbal warning or something. Bad disciplinary control if you ask me. But apart of that a good performance, also from ARs.

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    2. In my opinion a very good performance in a partly quick and intense match. I especially liked his foul selection. No cards all match, but I don't think anything mandatory missed. And I didn't get the feeling of missing control.
      I think, he improved his chances for the EURO yesterday.

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    3. I think it should have been a YC just before the 29 min mark on BL38. Wreckless footwork with studs to the ankle and wrestling with arms in the face from behind with only one purpose.

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  51. I was again live at the stadium in Zagreb. Del Cerro Grande missed a clear red card, I really can not understand why Gil Manzano did not intervene, I am shocked !!!!
    But appart from that, I can not describe my admiration to Del Cerro's fitness. That man's fitness is magnificent, great, superb, I have no words describe how trilled I am....

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    1. Indeed, I noticed his fitness too, really remarkable, as he was training with Atletico Madrid players :)

      Regarding the situation with possible RC, I agree that it should have been RC.
      However, lets imagine situation in which del Cerro Grande sees the foul and gives YC. In that case I think it would be acceptable for VAR not to intervene because it could be interpreted not as clear and obvious mistake, and maybe Gil Manzano had similar logic. Nevertheless, it was missed incident so VAR had every right(maybe even duty) to intervene and call for OFR.

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    2. I commented earlier and said at minimum it's a reckless use of arms, if it's seen, whistled and the referee deems the arms to be used in challenging for the ball, I can understand the logic but not agree with the YC, I assume VAR would do the same.

      However the incident should be seen as violent conduct, there's a strike to the face of an opponent, while not challenging for the ball that uses more than negligible force. In law it's 100% a RC. I wouldn't be shocked to see UEFA use this as a 100% red card in a future RAP and for me any decision to not whistle as a foul if witnessed is a clear and obvious error, and if dCG did not see it, then it is a serious missed incident surely. It's not a football challenge in my opinion and is not natural football contact and I assume most agree, and if this occurred behind the official's back it would surely be picked up, so what changes the decision making here?

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    3. What minute is this? video?

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    4. I just made a clear video of the incident.
      https://streamable.com/kual4
      I have to agree with TJ. OSS, I will be absolutely shocked if it is not on the next UEFA RAP as a clear red card.

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    5. i think no problem, If the referee were Turkish, there would be a problem. Ceferin is afraid of the lobby of Spain.

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  52. AWFUL refereeing by Zwayer in Ukraine...

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    1. What a very detailed and thoughtful comment that clearly explains why Zwayer had such a bad game......

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    2. Shakhtar lost this game full and tactically! No problems
      But Zwayer helped to do this!

      At season 2017-18 Shakhtar played in Kharkiv against Napoli
      Referee was Zwayer! There were questions too, but Shakhtar won and everybody forgot about mistakes!
      Last season in UCL Shakhtar in 3 of 6 matches was refereed by NOT elite referees
      In one game against ManCity the referee was Kassai (against Ukrainian team after EURO2012 story - it's disgusting) the penalty given to City was a real not funny joke! Especially when you have AAR
      "Now we see more?"

      Maybe because we are not top5 European leagues?

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    3. Very bad game for Zwayer. Why not Cakir,Kuipers...it was a mistake....clear mistake

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  53. Is there a Video of Zwayer's missed 2nd YC?

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    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYAXOz6OL_k Watch from 5 min 32 sec

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    2. That's a textbook YC foul. Ukrainian fans have all the right to be unhappy with Zwayer's performance last night...

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    3. Tank you. Maybe it's the video, but it doesn't seem as a stonewall YC. You could argue, that the intensity ist very low, so it's just tripping.

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    4. The tackle itself is not a mandatory yellow, it could be cautioned but what is a mandatory yellow is that the tackle stops a promising attack as the Atalanta player prevents the player from driving into the penalty area at speed. Even the English commentators when I watched the highlights this morning were shocked at the lack of a yellow card, and given their aversion to European refereeing styles with more cards, I think that's quite telling of how blatant a yellow card it is.

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    5. Exactly, TJ. Oss explained everything.

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  54. Sorry, a part few comments about the interaction with marciniak as VAR, how did Kassai performed yesterday ?
    Could he be considered as candidate for Euro 2020 or no more ?

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  55. About Kassai, anyone have the clip of 51st minute regarding an elbow an opponent (7 Lokomotiv on 9 Atl Madrid)?

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