The last set of appointments for CL Quarterfinals: second legs, Wednesday's games.
19 April 2023
FC Internazionale (ITA) - SL Benfica (POR)
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Diego Barbero (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Guadalupe Porras (ESP)
Fourth Official: César Soto (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro Hernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Konrad Plautz (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Arturs Gaidels (LVA)
21:00 CET - Munich (Fußball Arena München)
FC Bayern München (GER) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Benjamin Pagès (FRA)
Fourth Official: Jérémie Pignard (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Iveta Bankova (BUL)
FC Bayern München (GER) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Benjamin Pagès (FRA)
Fourth Official: Jérémie Pignard (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Iveta Bankova (BUL)
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ReplyDeleteProbably yes. In this case it would be a safe action to protect them and keep them ready for UCL final. But to me the appointment of Turpin it's risky; In case he will perform well he is a safe pair of hands for Milan/Naples-Inter/Benfica, but if something wrong happen, there are no reliable names for SF. Good luck and congratulation to all officials
DeleteSurprising appointments from Rossetti Spanish referee carlos del cerro return for uefa club competitions after 2 months and no match for him in sixteen round in ucl and french referee turpin all expected him in possible semi finals milan vs inter i don't know why Rossetti put him in Munich the question is if turpin not in his good condition in Munich Rossetti will lose ucl final referee last year in semi finals ucl i don't know how Rossetti think in this condition ?
ReplyDeleteYes, del Cerro Grande is quite surprising after no previous KO match in CL or EL.
DeleteRegarding Turpin: They needed to appoint some big name there given it's a game between two of the stronges teams in the competition. The clear first leg result could not be anticipated. So only Makkelie could have been a real alternative, but then you could say the same (possibly losing a SF or even final referee).
And now, if things go normal, you still have Turpin as the leading candidate for the SF without ManCity.
Ucl QF referees from countries : 2 referees from France and 2 referees from Spain and 1 referee from England and Romania and Poland and italy
ReplyDeleteReferees not in QF ucl : lahoz - Taylor - makkiele
ReplyDeleteAlso vincic and siberet didn't referee in QF ucl i talked about wc 2022 referees from uefa
ReplyDeleteIs Cerro being prepared for a farewell final?
ReplyDeleteHope not, he makes it all about him
DeleteThere was the need of different names in this round and here you have the "surprise" with the appointment in Milan. Of course relatively a surprise, given the experience of the Spanish. I think that one of the main arguments is the possible retirement, so maybe committee wanted to give him a very last appearance in Champions League. To understand what can follow after that. I also think that in normal conditions he wouldn't have handled this game after a so long absence from KO stage, rather, he would have started from either EL or ECL. I think we can consider him as candidate for the finals of these two competitions. It will depend on Spanish teams.
ReplyDeleteAbout the game, I think that Inter still very favorite team for qualification, but after the recent games, I would dare to say this can be a bit more challenging than the expected. Also, again a Spanish referee for Benfica, as somebody wrote very often here :)
Turpin in Munich a regular assignment. The expected name not appointed in this round is Makkelie, let's see whether he will get a UEL assignment (Seville?). Different for Taylor because with Oliver in Benfica - Inter, one could have predicted no second Englsh appointment in the round. He could be in EL as well (Sporting - Juventus?).
Semi Champions League
ReplyDeleteReal x City Kovacs
City x Real Marciniak
Milan x Inter Turpin
Inter x Milan Taylor
Final
Makkelie
OFF TOPIC: Is it official the list of the referees for the Uefa U21 championship ? Sometime ago somebody listed a pool of name but I don't remember any official post. Who are the candidates?
ReplyDeleteOnly names confirmed so far by their own national federations are Eskås, Pinheiro & Krogh.
DeleteNo official info on U17 & U19 Euro either, only that Bulgarian Radoslav Gidzhenov will be a support referee in U17 along with a Belgian, a Finn & a Scotsman.
Referees for U-17 will be from : Slovenia-Slovakia-Serbia-Sweden-Northern Ireland-Azerbaijan-Poland-Turkey
DeleteIf true, then they should be:
DeleteElçin Məsiyev AZE
Jamie Robinson NIR
Damian Sylwestrzak POL
Novak Simović SRB
Martin Dohál SVK
David Šmajc SVN
Adam Ladebäck SWE
Arda Kardeşler TUR
If @Ref1's info is accurate, names should be like Euro Soccer Ref said but the Slovak referee IMO should be Michal Ocenáš (1991) instead of Dohál ans Miloš Milanović (1993) instead of Simović.
Delete(Please let it be, from my early impressions it should be a quite decent selection)
With the correction of @Quilava the names are 90% correct. For Turkey instead of Arda Kardeşler is Atilla Karaoglan
DeleteGood luck to all selected referees
OT:
ReplyDeleteCroatia,HNL
https://fb.watch/jZ8Da_AHrE/
Ref pulls out card then realises that if he books player that he would have 2nd YC,RC.
Then he just puts card back in his pocket and doesnt show a thing 😀
OT:
ReplyDeleteWow,Guida with his 1st Serie A match in almost a year.
He was injured or punished?
A very long injury, suffered before the start of this season, he tried to return in serie B on December in a game after having skipped the early 5 months of 2022-23, but he gave up again, after that back only 2 weeks ago and now after 2 serie B games finally in serie A.
DeleteSuch a pity as he was a very strong candidate for promotion to Elite...
DeleteGuido was extremely strong in many aspects Yesterday. But what was that for an Penalty in Minute 56? No pictures showed the evidence that the ball was on the arm. It showed more that it was probably on the shoulder. I think there is no other league where such penalty is possible :). But handball is a bit different in Serie a is my Feeling.
DeleteWhat about your thougts on yesterdays Performance?
Indeed no evidence of handball in my opinion as well, the check before calling referee to OFR was one of the longest we saw in serie A this season. You know, the very particular attention to handball contributed to that, but I would easily say that analyzing a video for more than 4 minutes and then still missing a conclusion can never mean clear and obvious mistake. In other countries play on would be accepted, but not in Italy... as for the rest, good performance, I agree.
DeleteScharer will reach the U-20 World Cup in May?
ReplyDeleteOr is his injury very serious?
Turpin's AR2 wears FIFA bage instead of UEFA
ReplyDeleteTurpin missed foul
ReplyDeleteWhat. Red card now offside and no ref card
ReplyDeleteMessy, albeit correct decision in the end by Turpin
ReplyDeletePoor show team Turpin. Turpin has to ask AR1 if offside and AR1 needs to state clearly he thinks offside before showing a RC/giving the foul. At least the correct decision in the end
ReplyDeleteI think they have a problem with a communication set
ReplyDeleteDel Cerro disallowed a goal scored by Inter for a rather soft push in my opinion, but one can have different view. Excellent ONSIDE by AR2 for 1-1 right now. In the middle, some small moments of tension with the Spanish called to calm down contenders.
ReplyDeleteSome set of eyes to see that in real time
ReplyDeleteAny comments on Turpin's penalty decision?
ReplyDeleteClearly correct
DeleteHis best moment of the half. Outstretched arm, Shot on target, so YC and penalty correct. Good delayed whistle to see outcome of the shot first too
DeleteAll true - on the other hand: Upamecano holds his hands behind his back, turns around and streches one hand to keep his balance - with no sight of the ball.
DeleteCorrect penalty and YC for me as well.
DeleteOnly 2 minutes of added time in Munich! How…?
ReplyDeleteThe penalty alone was more than that, plus the earlier check re offside/RC mess. Agree strongly, it was too little
DeleteIt think Turpin has lost control of this game
ReplyDeleteAnd part of the reason is his inconsistent foul detection, I think.
DeleteAlthough "lost control" is too much IMO.
I cannot agree that he has "lost control", however his performance definitely feels "shaky". His foul detection does seem inconsistent, but he also lacks a bit in terms of prevention and using personality skills/authority to cool things down when needed IMO. It's a standard issue for him from time to time, depending on the nature of a match, but it seems quite visible to me tonight.
DeleteTurpin loses it. (Not the first time I've used this phrase with Turpin.)
ReplyDelete5 YC from Turpin in first half, its really rare
ReplyDelete+ 1 YC for coach Tuchel = 6
DeleteBut they were well chosen, I think
Delete1) First harder foul - setting the limit, no further fouls of that kind happened
2) Dissent by the coach - also setting the limit after having warned him early
3) Handball, shot on goal - mandatory
4) Time wasting - good to intervene early
5) & 6) Player conflict with a small riot - maybe manageable without cards, but one card each is the expected decision
How many yellow cards was shown to Tuchel during the match? Clearly, as you noted, he was shown the yellow card in first half just after the canceled sent-off. But UEFA also reports a yellow card in minute 84 and then yellow-red in minute 86...
DeleteFor Freekick, Excellent question. It was indeed confusing. See the scene here with the YC at 18.48. https://fullmatchsports.cc/bayern-munchen-vs-manchester-city-full-match-ucl-2022-23/?tab=first-half
DeleteContinued... And see here the scene at 83:16. Who receives the YC ? I think it's MCI's #10, Jack Grealish, who kicking the ball hard away to save time on a throw-in and not Tuchel, even the German TV director doesn't know : https://fullmatchsports.cc/bayern-munchen-vs-manchester-city-full-match-ucl-2022-23/?tab=second-half
DeleteClear penalty in Munich, Upamecano's elbow gets in the way. Correct YC as well.
ReplyDeleteI think Turpin has been brilliant in the first half. Of course, the red card / offside incident should've been avoided and a free kick to Bayern should've been awarded for a push before the shot in 29' but the overall focused approach and management of all hot moments has been fantastic. For example, YC to 22BAY for team's PI after three fouls before (7', 9', 10'), management of conflicts (20', 45+2'), YC for time-wasting (44'). I hope he can continue like this in the second half.
ReplyDeleteEuro Soccer Ref, you shouldn't be too ironic with Turpin!
DeleteRare to see Turpin showing that many cards.
ReplyDeleteBut all of them deserved.
54': Missed penalty for Benfica (Martinez vs Aursnes)?
ReplyDeleteTo me more penalty than play on, should be OK no VAR intervention.
Delete61' No reason for Turpin to stop play, not a head injury nor near goalmouth. I think he has had a reasonable game so far, but has given the players enough moments to be (often rightly) frustrated with him, which hasn't helped his overall image
ReplyDeleteFair assessment!
DeletePenalty for Bayern: Handball probably clearly correct with current UEFA instructions, but IMO not really what football wants...
ReplyDeleteThat was a clear unnatural position.
DeleteDespite the tie is clearly decided Turpin’s decisions are hardly accepted by players and team officials.
ReplyDeleteUEFA clearly knew what they were doing when they didn't give Turpin games like this leading up to his UCL-final
ReplyDeleteGood game so far for Del Cerro. I always find him much more better than Mateu, but he never reached any European Final I guess. Could he be one of the candidate for EL final at least this year?
ReplyDelete@jleekens I agree with you they knew if they had done that his chances of doing UCL final last season would have been slim
ReplyDeleteI wonder what Clément Turpin has done to someone to cause such exaggerated criticism after a good performance. Okay, his performances in the past were often far from optimal but today he was really good, IMO.
ReplyDelete+1
DeleteWell, maybe that is because you can make a lot of correct decisions in a game (and some clearly wrong ones) and show a weak and below average game managing at the same time. That is what we saw from Turpin tonight.
DeleteAnd to add, his pedantic appearance easily evokes irritations and lack of acceptance even despite technical and tactical accuracy (which was on an average level tonight Imho).
DeleteI have the same opinion as Philipp S in his comment below regarding Turpin's performance tonight: there was something missing in his overall authority and management of this game, at least for me (based on a personal feeling). If I correctly understand, HaGo refers to similar aspects. However, I can definitely agree with you regarding some exaggerated comments, which appear regularly after Turpin's games unfortunately. This was never a bad performance, let me be clear about that. I just feel he could (should?) have done better in certain aspects.
DeleteI think, it was overall a mixed bag by Turpin with some quite positive (e.g. card management, first penalty) and some negative aspects (e.g. foul detection in first half, authority, missed second penalty live) in his performance.
ReplyDeleteEspecially with this fresh impressions, I don't think, that it would be wise to give him a Milan derby CL SF 2nd leg.
So my current idea is:
Milan-Inter: Taylor / Orsato
Real-ManCity: Soares Dias / Marciniak
Final: Makkelie
I think, if he is clearly the best solution, breaking the rule for Orsato would be fine. And he is so near to the end of his career, that ruining his relation to one of the domestic clubs would not be as bad as for a younger referee.
If one wants to speculate on a final for Taylor, Gil Manzano could get his SF instead.
If Makkelie is injured too long, Marciniak needs to be planned for the final, so I would then see Kovacs and Turpin as the options for ManCity-Real.
Is there any official confirmation that Makkelie is injured?
DeleteTrust me... LAHOZ IS IN MILAN ...
DeleteTo be frank, I would definitely like to see Orsato doing the Milan derby. Maybe it is impossible, but from a practical point of view, I don't see any reason not to appoint him, there is no conflict of interest IMO.
DeleteLahoz in Milan? maybe but i'm not sure
DeleteOrsato + Inter = asking for troubles. Rosetti is way too smart to make such a high risk, little reward move
DeleteReferee pools in my opinion for each match (favorite in CAPS with % of chances of appearance):
ReplyDeleteReal - City : KOVACS 45 / Dias 40 / Letexier 15
City - Real : MARCINIAK 80 / Makkelie 20
Milano Clash 1 : TAYLOR 70 / Oliver 25 / Lahoz 5
Milano Clash 2 : LAHOZ 40 / Turpin 35 / Orsato 20 / Taylor 5
I don't think, Lahoz or Taylor can get the 2nd leg of the Milan derby, because of the Spanish and English team in the other SF.
DeleteAbout Bayern - City crucial incidents:
ReplyDelete1) Since AR1 delayed the flag, Turpin should have waited for ONSIDE confirmation before issuing RC to player. Poor management, but all correct decisions (if no offside RC).
2) Correct penalty for handball in first half, well spotted with excellent positiong. What I'm watching more and more in recent games is thi attitude by some players to put arms behind the back but only before the shot, then once ball comes, arms are moved in unnatural positions and so punishable. This seems to be something that players can't avoid, they are forced by instinct.
3) Penalty after OFR, this was definitely impossible to see live, correct decision, arm in unnatural position.
I don't understand why people insist with Lahoz. It's pretty clear since the beginning of the KO stage and you have to accept it. His UCL time is over, I am sure that Rosetti sent him also a clear message. He is a useful referee for UEL and will retire at the end of the season. The expected Man Utd-Juventus semifinal probably will be his last dance. Now all the focus is on Gil Manzano.
ReplyDeleteIn the QF, we saw a French referee team providing a high level of technical accuracy and decision making. All KMI's correct, but a very low acceptance by players. Shaky (man-)management and control. This surprised me a bit considering the scoreline.
ReplyDeleteAnd the Polish team rather the opposite: some missed KMI's (missed PK, encroachment, etc.) which potentially influenced the scoreline, but always in control. It must be possible to see him again with a different VAR?
- Anthony Taylor in a 1st leg of the Milan derby seems a locked choice. Unless he has a bad performance tonight.
Delete- I can't see Turpin in a heated return of the Italian derby after his QF yesterday, but repeating him with Man City is not a problem and Real Madrid won't have any complaints with Turpin, too.
- I can see Marciniak again, maybe with other VAR, and he is still a final candidate.
- Makkelie is sort of a mystery. He worked in 2nd league last Sunday. If available, they will use him in one of the final 3 matches.
- As much as I like Mateu, I don't think we will see him in a SF UCL. After what happened at the WC, he didn't work in UCL KO-stage, and Rosetti always preferred DCG for some reason.
- Breaking the rules for Orsato: can see it happening. There are enough available names for City-Real. And one more advantage, Orsato can handle the return game which is the most challenging game (on paper).
- Kovacs was excellent last season in his City - Real SF and in Liverpool - Madrid (R16). He is a very good fit for a City-Real 1st leg. The return requires one of the most experienced names. Vincic after his UEL final can't be forgotten for a 1st leg, but City will remember his weak performance in R16.
- Final will be Marciniak or Makkelie.
Real - City 1st leg: Kovacs / Vincic
Real - City 2nd leg: Turpin / Orsato / Marciniak / Makkelie
Milan derby 1st leg: Taylor
Milan derby 2nd leg: Orsato / Marciniak / Makkelie
My prediction:
ReplyDeleteReal - City Kovacs
City - Real Orsato
Milan - Inter Turpin
Inter - Milan Vincic
Final: Taylor (if no City) / Marciniak (if Inter-City) / Makkelie (if Milan-City)
My prediction:
DeleteReal - City: Kovacs
City - Real: Marciniak
Milan - Inter: Zwayer
Inter - Milan: Taylor
Final: Makkelie
Well, according to the actual guidelines about handballs, the 2 PKs today may have been - more or less - correct, but these guidelines are getting more and more ridicolous on the fields... There MUST be a new one asking the ref's only to go for PK, if the handballplay happened deliberately or directly led to a goal. Otherwise the managers will start to train their players more and more often to deliberately shoot against arms and hands and that will destroy the attractiveness of offensive play.
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