Tuesday, 17 October 2017

Champions League 2017/18 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 3 (I)

UEFA has chosen these officials to referee Tuesday's clashes of 2017/18 Champions League group stage MD3. Among others, Polish Szymon Marciniak will be in charge of Real Madrid - Tottenham Hotspur in group H. 

E| 17.10.2017, 20:45 CET
Stadion Ljudski vrt Maribor (SVN)
NK Maribor - Liverpool FC
Referee: Viktor Kassai (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: György Ring (HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: Vencel Tóth (HUN)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Tamás Bognár (HUN)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Sándor Andó-Szabó (HUN)
Fourth Official: Balázs Buzás (HUN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Michel Piraux (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Philippe Prudhon (FRA)

E| 17.10.2017, 20:45 CET
Otkrytie Arena, Moscow (RUS)
Spartak Moskva - Sevilla FC
Referee: Gianluca Rocchi (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Elenito Di Liberatore (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Filippo Meli (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Luca Banti (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Fourth Official: Andrea Crispo (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sándor Piller (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Harry M. Been (NED)

F| 17.10.2017, 20:45 CET
Stadion Feijenoord, Rotterdam (NED)
Feyenoord - Shakhtar Donetsk
Referee: Alberto Undiano Mallenco (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Javier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Fourth Official: Raúl Cabañero Martínez (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: William Campbell (NIR)

F| 17.10.2017, 20:45 CET
City of Manchester Stadium, Manchester (ENG)
Manchester City FC - SSC Napoli
Referee: Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez Del Palomar (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Carlos Del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: Teodoro Sobrino Magán (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Jacob Erel (ISR)

G| 17.10.2017, 20:45 CET
RB Arena, Leipzig (GER)
RB Leipzig - FC Porto 
Referee: Paolo Tagliavento (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Riccardo Di Fiore (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Lorenzo Manganelli (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Antonio Damato (ITA)
Fourth Official: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Peter Fröjdfeldt (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Þórir Hákonarson (ISL)

G| 17.10.2017, 20:45 CET
Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON)
AS Monaco - Beşiktaş J. K.
Referee: Milorad Mažić (SRB)
Assistant Referee 1: Milovan Ristić (SRB)
Assistant Referee 2: Dalibor Đurđević (SRB)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Nenad Đokić (SRB)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Danilo Grujić (SRB)
Fourth Official: Nemanja Petrović (SRB)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nikolay Ivanov (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Alan McRae (SCO)

H| 17.10.2017, 20:45 CET
Estadio Santiago Bernabéu, Madrid (ESP)
Real Madrid CF - Tottenham Hotspur
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Paweł Sokolnicki (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Paweł Raczkowski (POL)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Musiał (POL)
Fourth Official: Radosław Siejka (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bertrand Layec (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Peter Lundström (FIN)

H| 17.10.2017, 20:45 CET
GSP, Nicosia (CYP)
APOEL - Borussia Dortmund
Referee: Aleksei Kulbakov (BLR)
Assistant Referee 1: Dmitri Zhuk (BLR)
Assistant Referee 2: Oleg Maslyanko (BLR)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Denis Scherbakov (BLR)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Dzmitry Dzmitryieu (BLR)
Fourth Official: Yury Khomchenko (BLR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Leslie Irvine (NIR)
UEFA Delegate: João Morais (POR)
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  1. Mikael W16 October 2017 at 21:12

    Firstly thank you for creating this blog- I can only echo everyone's sentiments.

    The first OT post ;-)

    I watched the two matches of Under17 World Cup today.

    Shukralla showed why he is one of AFC's best referees and why he will surely attend WC2018, really strong soft skills, control ensured throughout, in principle he could control the match without sanctions. However he struggled a bit to find a clear line in cards, and missed a RC:SFP in additional time of the first half, in my opinion. But overall he left a fairly sovereign impression, no one will talk about the referee but also the scoreline ensured this.

    Hategan tolerated no obvious attempts at SPA, even if they didn't fully meet the criteria for an attack, the fact they were shirt pulls justified the cards to my mind. All I would say considering the 5-0 score, three YCs didn't really reflect the tactical approach of both teams; maybe there was one or the other moment he could caution a Paraguay player, which would have been tactically wise, but Hategan decided not. Clearly he has a talent, but he needs to work on his management on the pitch- for a style that isn't a match manager he needs to be more firm, and in general making a lot less hectic impression would greatly help this to my mind.

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    1. Mikael W16 October 2017 at 21:17

      * Three YCs all to the United States

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    2. Law5TheRef16 October 2017 at 21:56

      Welcome and thank you so much for your analysis. Much appreciated. Please enjoy the blog.

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  2. RayHD17 October 2017 at 02:26

    Two interesting situations from the Leicester City FC - West Bromwich Albion FC game refereed by Mike Dean.

    1. Impeding the progress of an opponent involving contact - outside or inside the penalty area?
    https://streamable.com/ok6ge

    2. #25 white-red's foul or collision?
    https://streamable.com/7f5p4

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    1. Chefren17 October 2017 at 10:45

      1) in my opinion penalty, it seems as contact occurred on the line

      2) Player in white & red is kicks the ball, then there is this late attempt by opponent, it is reasonable to play on, I wouldn't whistle a foul because it was something determined only by blue player, who even got injured for his action

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    2. RayHD17 October 2017 at 11:25

      1) In my opinion, attacker wanted to win a penalty by changing his running path in order to cause a contact inside the penalty area. In addition, you can draw the attacker-ball line in the moment attacker is impeded by goalkeeper but before he changes his running path. That line would be outside the penalty area. So, the contact occured (mostly) inside the penalty area, but the place where it occured was determined by change of running path (in order to win a penalty). Therefore, a free kick is a commonsensical decision in my eyes. What do you think?

      2) I fully agree.

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    3. Chefren17 October 2017 at 15:31

      You can be right, very likely Dean assessed the incident as you described...

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  3. MARIO17 October 2017 at 09:28

    I'm really astonished about the stop of the fantastic blog "The third team". Thank you very much to made my my days happy reading news and comments of my real passion: refereeing. And thank to continue in this web site. f

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  4. MARIO17 October 2017 at 09:29

    I'll continue to follow you, comment and ask moving on this blog

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  5. MARIO17 October 2017 at 09:29

    Chefren I'll send you a separate mail

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  6. MARIO17 October 2017 at 09:29

    will you fill up referee for CL Wednesday match ?

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    1. Law5TheRef17 October 2017 at 09:40

      Yes of course, you can find the post for Wednesday, it is already published.

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  7. RayHD17 October 2017 at 12:25

    UEFA YOUTH LEAGUE

    UEFA Champions League Path - Matchday 3

    17 October 2017

    Group E | 13:00 CET, FC Spartak Academy (pitch no4), Moscow
    FC Spartak Moskva - Sevilla FC
    Referee: Alper Ulusoy (Turkey)
    Assistant Referee 1: Abdullah Bora Özkara (Turkey)
    Assistant Referee 2: Kemal Elmas (Turkey)
    Fourth Official: Anastasiya Pustovoytova (Russia)
    UEFA Referee Observer: Aleksey Spirin (Russia)
    UEFA Delegate: Aleksandra Pejkovska (FYR Macedonia)

    Group E | 13:00 CET, Športni park, Lendava
    NK Maribor - Liverpool FC
    Referee: Markus Hameter (Austria)
    Assistant Referee 1: Robert Steinacher (Austria)
    Assistant Referee 2: Michael Nemetz (Austria)
    Fourth Official: Marko Lackovič (Slovenia)
    UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Vitković (Croatia)
    UEFA Delegate: Emil Ubias (Czech Republic)

    Group F | 15:00 CET, Van Donge & De Roo Stadion, Rotterdam
    Feyenoord - FC Shakhtar Donetsk
    Referee: Timothy Marshall (Northern Ireland)
    Assistant Referee 1: Paul Robinson (Northern Ireland)
    Assistant Referee 2: Andrew Nethery (Northern Ireland)
    Fourth Official: Richard Martens (Netherlands)
    UEFA Referee Observer: Jan Willem Wegereef (Netherlands)
    UEFA Delegate: Borja Bilbao Vizcaíno (Spain)

    Group F | 16:00 CET, Academy Stadium, Manchester
    Manchester City FC - SSC Napoli
    Referee: Bart Vertenten (Belgium)
    Assistant Referee 1: Rien Vanyzere (Belgium)
    Assistant Referee 2: Thibaud Nijssen (Belgium)
    Fourth Official:
    UEFA Referee Observer:
    UEFA Delegate:

    Group G | 15:00 CET, Trainingszentrum am Cottaweg, Leipzig
    RB Leipzig - FC Porto
    Referee: Ognjen Valjić (Bosnia and Herzegovina)
    Assistant Referee 1: Sreten Udovičić (Bosnia and Herzegovina)
    Assistant Referee 2: Amer Macić (Bosnia and Herzegovina)
    Fourth Official: Lasse Koslowski (Germany)
    UEFA Referee Observer: Eugen Strigel (Germany)
    UEFA Delegate: Peadar Ryan (Republic of Ireland)

    Group G | 16:00 CET, Stade de formation AS Monaco 1, La Turbie
    AS Monaco FC - Beşiktaş JK
    Referee: Alexandre Boucaut (Belgium)
    Assistant Referee 1: Laurent Conotte (Belgium)
    Assistant Referee 2: Florian Lemaire (Belgium)
    Fourth Official: Faouzi Benchabane (France)
    UEFA Referee Observer: Matteo Simone Trefoloni (Italy)
    UEFA Delegate: Jack Grundie (Northern Ireland)

    Group H | 15:00 CET, Makario Stadium, Nicosia
    APOEL FC - Borussia Dortmund
    Referee: Eitan Shmuelevitz (Israel)
    Assistant Referee 1: Avi Avraham Goldstain (Israel)
    Assistant Referee 2: Nati Dotan (Israel)
    Fourth Official: Timotheos Christofi (Cyprus)
    UEFA Referee Observer: Kostas Kapitanis (Cyprus)
    UEFA Delegate: Rudolf Zavrl (Slovenia)

    Group H | 18:00 CET, Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano, Madrid
    Real Madrid CF - Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Referee: João Pedro da Silva Pinheiro (Portugal)
    Assistant Referee 1: Bruno Miguel Campos Rodrigues (Portugal)
    Assistant Referee 2: Nuno Filipe dos Santos Tomás Pereira (Portugal)
    Fourth Official: Valentín Pizarro Gómez (Spain)
    UEFA Referee Observer: Manuel Enrique Mejuto González (Spain)
    UEFA Delegate: Richard Havrilla (Slovakia)

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    1. RayHD17 October 2017 at 12:26

      Domestic Champions Path - First Round (Second Legs)

      17 October 2017

      14:30 CET, Trening Centar Petar Miloševski, Skopje
      KF Shkëndija (MKD) - FC Nitra (SVK)
      Referee: Zaven Hovhannisyan (Armenia)
      Assistant Referee 1: Mesrop Ghazaryan (Armenia)
      Assistant Referee 2: Vanik Simonyan (Armenia)
      Fourth Official: Konstantin Vlaho (FYR Macedonia)
      UEFA Referee Observer: Emil Božinovski (FYR Macedonia)
      UEFA Delegate: Matthew Paris (Malta)

      17:30 CET, Budaunik Stadium, Salihorsk
      FC Shakhtsyor Salihorsk (BLR) - FK Liepāja (LVA)
      Referee: Kirill Levnikov (Russia)
      Assistant Referee 1: Vyacheslav Semenov (Russia)
      Assistant Referee 2: Dmitriy Safyan (Russia)
      Fourth Official: Viktar Shymusik (Belarus)
      UEFA Referee Observer: Aleh Chykun (Belarus)
      UEFA Delegate: Cenk Cem (Turkey)

      18:00 CET, DAS.GOLDBERG Stadion, Grödig
      FC Red Bull Salzburg (AUT) - FC Girondins de Bordeaux (FRA)
      Referee: Sascha Amhof (Switzerland)
      Assistant Referee 1: Jean-Yves Wicht (Switzerland)
      Assistant Referee 2: Devis Dettamanti (Switzerland)
      Fourth Official: Sebastian Gishamer (Austria)
      UEFA Referee Observer: Fritz Stuchlik (Austria)
      UEFA Delegate: Lennart Vestervall (Sweden)

      18:00 CET, Stadion Miejski Legii Warszawa im. Marszałka Józefa Piłsudskiego, Warsaw
      Legia Warszawa (POL) - Breiðablik (ISL)
      Referee: Dejan Jakimovski (FYR Macedonia)
      Assistant Referee 1: Nikola Karakolev (FYR Macedonia)
      Assistant Referee 2: Kushtrim Lika (FYR Macedonia)
      Fourth Official: Piotr Urban (Poland)
      UEFA Referee Observer: Marcin Borski (Poland)
      UEFA Delegate: Mikhail Kassabov (Bulgaria)

      19:00 CET, Sportcomplex De Toekomst, Duivendrecht
      AFC Ajax (NED) - Hammarby IF (SWE)
      Referee: Nicolas Laforge (Belgium)
      Assistant Referee 1: Karel De Rocker (Belgium)
      Assistant Referee 2: Kevin Monteny (Belgium)
      Fourth Official: Jochem Kamphuis (Netherlands)
      UEFA Referee Observer: René Temmink (Netherlands)
      UEFA Delegate: Vladislav Khodeyev (Russia)

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    2. RayHD18 October 2017 at 18:45

      Manchester City - Napoli
      Fourth Official: Thomas Nield (England)
      UEFA Referee Observer: Peter Jones (England)
      UEFA Delegate: Charles Schaack (Luxembourg)

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  8. Chefren17 October 2017 at 14:13

    OT

    UEFA PLAY OFF FOR WC 2018

    CROATIA - GREECE
    DENMARK - REPUBLIC OF IRELAND
    SWEDEN - ITALY
    NORTHEN IRELAND - SWITZERLAND

    I will write soon my predictions.

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    1. Stake17 October 2017 at 14:21

      My predictions (former user K. S. here):

      Croatia - Greece: Brych (GER) / Kuipers (NED)
      Denmark - Republic of Ireland: Mateu Lahoz (ESP) / Marciniak (POL)
      Sweden - Italy: Mazic (SRB) / Cakir (TUR)
      Northern Ireland - Switzerland: Kassai (HUN) / Eriksson (SWE)

      I furthermore expect Skomina, Rocchi and maybe even Karasev in the intercontinental play-offs. Thoughts?

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    2. M17 October 2017 at 14:21

      Out of all these matches,Croatia and Greece to me is high risk match,especially when it will be played in Greece for 2nd leg.To me Brych is best suited for one of this match,altough he had Croatia vs Ukraine,maybe Kuipers also...

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    3. Chefren17 October 2017 at 15:36

      Predictions:
      Croatia - Greece: Szymon Marciniak (GRE) / Björn Kuipers (NED)
      Denmark - Republic of Ireland: Felix Brych (GER) / Gianluca Rocchi (ITA)
      Sweden - Italy: Milorad Mažić (SRB) / Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
      Northern Ireland - Switzerland: Damir Skomina (SVN) / Jonas Eriksson (SWE)

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    4. Guido17 October 2017 at 16:50

      CROATIA - GREECE: Kuipers/Marciniak
      DENMARK - REPUBLIC OF IRELAND: Cakir/Skomina
      SWEDEN - ITALY: Mazic/ Brych
      NORTHEN IRELAND - SWITZERLAND: Karasev/ Lahoz
      No Italian referee IMO because Italy is still in the play-off. Also no situation, example Kuipers on Italy-Sweden because Sweden and Netherlands were on the same group. You know what I mean;-)

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    5. Soham17 October 2017 at 17:45

      Friends, which playoff tie do you think can get the most heated and end up being the most challenging for the referees?? Croatia v Greece most probably??

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    6. Mikael W17 October 2017 at 18:21

      To my mind Croatia - Greece also, but I think one cannot forget France - Ireland... all playoffs are very important, and can make (Maillet, De Bleeckere, Brych) or destroy (Hansson, AR Zunic) a career.

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    7. Chefren17 October 2017 at 18:30

      Right Mikael, absolutely right. We all remember what happened at first 8 years ago with Hansson, and then 4 years ago with Skomina (and Zunic). So these are on paper the most dangerous games for a referee, during a WC preselection. A crucial mistake deciding the tie in favor of a team can't be hidden and FIFA committee is always forced to treat the involved officials according to what they did. Before the game involving France and Ireland, Hansson was in my opinion sure to officiate at WC, and then... so the maximum attention must be paid there.
      However, I hope everything will go well this time...
      If I had to make a choice for the most heated game, I would say Croatia - Greece and Italy - Sweden, respectively, at least on paper, could be a bit more demanding than the other two, but of course one can't say anything before the kick off. Everything is just based on feelings. Good luck to all officials who will get these games.

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  9. usaref17 October 2017 at 15:32

    Given the likely use of UEFA referees by FIFA for the playoffs, I think these are very difficult predictions to make. I'll say:

    Croatia - Greece: Atkinson (ENG) / Kuipers (NED)
    Denmark - Republic of Ireland: Marciniak (POL) / Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
    Sweden - Italy: Kassai (HUN) / Cakir (TUR)
    Northern Ireland : Switzerland: Skomina (SVN) / Karasev (RUS)

    That would leave Rocchi, Brych and Mazic all eligible for the FIFA playoffs, if needed. Also leaves Turpin and Eriksson out in the cold, so who knows.

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  10. fudbaler17 October 2017 at 16:27

    Croatia - Greece : Atkinson/ Kuipers
    Denmark-Ireland: Ricchi/ Brych
    Sweden- Italy: Mazic/ Cakir
    N. Ireland- Switzerland: Eriksson/Skomina

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    1. fudbaler17 October 2017 at 16:27

      Rocchi*

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    2. fudbaler17 October 2017 at 19:25

      Play off 2013 15.11.'13 / 19.11.'13
      Portugal- Sweden: Nicola Rizzoli/Howard Webb;
      Greece- Romania: Pedro Proeça/Milorad Mazic;
      Island- Croatia: Alberto Undiano Mallenco/ Björn Kuipers;
      Ukraine -France: Cüneyt Çakir/ Damir Skomina.

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    3. Mikael W17 October 2017 at 19:54

      2010

      ROI - FRA, Brych / Hansson
      POR - B&H, Atkinson / Rosetti
      GRE - UKR, Duhamel / Benquerenca
      RUS - SVN, Larsen / Hauge

      To be honest I think FIFA learnt a lot from these playoffs.
      I think they had a clear plan of one sure name (Rosetti) in a very intensive atmosphere, to test some unsure names (Benquerenca, Hansson, Larsen?) in perceived not too hard matches, but moreover to appoint referees who clearly had no chances for the WC, a couple of young talents but mostly solid referees who for one reason or another would have no ticket to South Africa even in case of excellent performances. To my mind the format of 2014 designations is a lot better.

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    4. Osborne17 October 2017 at 21:21

      Predictions:

      Croatia - Greece: Brych / Cakir
      Denmark - Republic of Ireland: Atkinson / Rocchi
      Sweden - Italy: Kuipers / Skomina
      Northern Ireland - Switzerland: Kassai / Mateu Lahoz

      For some reason, I would expect Marciniak to be protected from the play-off risk. He is having good performances but he is the biggest promise for the future and "must" go to this WC to make experience. Same for Mateu Lahoz with what seems an "easier" game. I also expect Eriksson not to be at WC unfortunately, based on recent performances, whereas Kassai stands some chances in my opinion.

      One last question: are the appointments for both legs made simultaneously or will it be possible to see how 1st leg goes before appointing for 2nd?

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    5. Chefren17 October 2017 at 21:39

      I think that appointments will be made at the same time for both legs, because there is a too short time between the two dates.

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    6. Soham17 October 2017 at 21:56

      @Osborne Eriksson ahead of Kassai currently if recent appointments are anything to go by

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    7. Philipp S18 October 2017 at 08:15

      My predictions
      CRO-GRE: Karasev / Atkinson
      DEN-IRL: Hategan / Mateu
      SWE-ITA: Marciniak / Skomina
      NIR-SUI: Rocchi / Brych

      HON-AUS: Pitana / Cakir
      NZL-PER: Kuipers / Geiger

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    8. MARIO18 October 2017 at 10:29

      It's very difficult for me to make a prediction so I have in my mind two scenarios:
      First one will involve best Uefa referees: Kuipers, Brych, Skomina, Mazic, Marciniak, Rocchi, Kassai, Cakir and probably mateu lahoz and Eriksson for intercontinental FIFA play off. It shuold be consistent with the importance of the matches but could be very risky for the officials because if something of wrong happen will be out of WC, as Chefren mentioned for Hansson.
      Second scenario is to appoint referees which seem to be not so safe for WC, at least as main referees: Atkinson, Collum, Hategan, Karasev, Undiano Mallenco, Turpin, Orsato and Eriksson. They are anyway reliable and if something of wrong will happen nobody will loose their ticket to Russia because these ones seems already out.
      What do you think ?
      Last question: why most of you are sure about Brych's attendance at next Fifa CWC ? He has just officiated CL final match facing Real Madrid. May be Mazic could be more fare.

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  11. Chefren17 October 2017 at 18:53

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpXkJRE7WCE
    Game - deciding penalty looks like a crucial mistake...

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    1. RayHD17 October 2017 at 19:48

      No, no at all. If you run behind player who controls the ball, you must be sure there won't be any contact, especially by legs. Here a slight touch with attacker's right leg caused attacker's right leg hitting his left leg.

      See the sequence:
      1) https://pasteboard.co/GPnzuqT.png
      2) https://pasteboard.co/GPnzZeH.png
      3) https://pasteboard.co/GPnAIxi.png
      4) https://pasteboard.co/GPnBfcV.png

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    2. DrMr17 October 2017 at 19:49

      1:43, possible contact?
      Live, it looks to me like PK but after watching replay I don't know what to think...

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    3. DrMr17 October 2017 at 19:53

      RayHD was quicker :)
      The way the player fell down looks natural

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  12. M17 October 2017 at 19:50

    @Soham,without any doubt,the most heated is Greece and Croatia.

    Balkan teams that dont like each other(Greece is friends with Serbia so Croats dont like them),possible riots beetwen fans,very physical and in some case dirty football from Greece.
    Best example was recently when Greece played Bosnia and Herzegovina,players were very nervous and situation in crowd was not secure.
    Rizzoli and Eriksson handled those matches and both were very busy,especially Eriksson who showed 12 yellows and 2 red cards.Rizzoli was less bussier but he also had tough match,he showed 7 yellows and there was big brawl at the end of the match between players and some coaching staff.
    Greeks and Croats played in 2012 qualy. and I can remember how it was challenging for Howard Webb in Greece when those two teams played.

    I can see that in all prediction we all agree that Kuipers should get their 2nd leg,that will be very fiery match that is for sure.

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    1. DrMr17 October 2017 at 19:54

      Howard Webb would be the perfect choice for this match :)

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    2. M17 October 2017 at 20:07

      There he was 6 years ago:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ps32sWcizQ

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    3. Soham17 October 2017 at 20:12

      In that case I will put in Marciniak and Kuipers for this tie

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  13. Guido17 October 2017 at 20:05

    6 november Honduras Australia
    14 November Australia Honduras
    What can we expect at this matches. In Honduras an UEFA referees and in Australia a referee from Conmebol

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    1. Soham17 October 2017 at 20:12

      I'll go for Jonas Eriksson and Nestor Pitana

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    2. Chefren17 October 2017 at 20:14

      I tried to look for some different names outside UEFA, but still difficult. AFC referees are not possible there, about CONMEBOL most of them are Spanish mother tongue, so, due to Honduras, Australia could make complaints against this choice (Pitana, for example). In addition, as I already wrote a few days ago, Honduras and all CONMEBOL federations are still from America if we talk about continent, so the better choice here would be a referee from UEFA.

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  14. DutchRedREF17 October 2017 at 20:29

    We also have Peru- New Zeeland. If the FIFA Choose for UEFA referees, we have 14!! UEFA referees, but referees like Irmatov And Geiger are here also possible.

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  15. keyNote17 October 2017 at 20:58

    Crutical mistake by mazic. No offside for Babel..

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    1. Mlacko17 October 2017 at 21:13

      Its not mistake by Mazic, its mistake by AR.

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  16. Referee analyst17 October 2017 at 21:09

    True. Big mistake by AA1 from Mazic’s team. No offside. Crucial one.

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    1. Referee analyst17 October 2017 at 21:13

      27’: YC missed against Adriano. Harsh foul and just verbal warning.

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    2. DrMr17 October 2017 at 21:25

      Well, I think that it's AR1 Ristić's first crucial mistake after 3-4 years.. which is impressive

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    3. fudbaler17 October 2017 at 21:43

      There must be some reason for this? Any video?

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  17. Soham17 October 2017 at 21:10

    Missed penalty for Tottenham at 20' by Marciniak??

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    1. Soham17 October 2017 at 21:43

      Saw a replay of it from different angles... A stonewaller missed by Marciniak and AAR2 as it seems to me... The incident happened right under the nose of AAR2

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    2. RayHD17 October 2017 at 21:48

      Poor positioning from Marciniak (right side of the "D"), therefore poor visual angle... Taking into account Musiał's body language, I suppose he thought there was a foul and it was only Marciniak's call to let it go...

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    3. Soham17 October 2017 at 21:59

      I would like to believe the same as well... I was really surprised how Musial could deem it as no foul as the foul occured right under his nose... This was a really poor miss and very crucial mistake, I'm very sorry for Marciniak

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  18. Chefren17 October 2017 at 21:17

    After 30 minutes in Manchester City - Napoli, the only thing to be reported is that GLT was used already twice. Two NO GOAL decisions. For Mateu Lahoz so far an expected level without issues.

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    1. Chefren17 October 2017 at 21:17

      To add, at the beginning of the game (minute 3') he stopped an OGSO by Manchester City due to a previous foul, absolutely correct.

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    2. Chefren17 October 2017 at 21:26

      37': penalty to Napoli and YC for holding, absolutely correct by Mateu Lahoz, who was in visual control of penalty area, he didn't need AAR2 cooperation to whistle.

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  19. Soham17 October 2017 at 21:30

    Correct penalty whistled by Marciniak at 42' in favour of Real Madrid

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  20. Ref Fot17 October 2017 at 21:56

    Yes, I absolutley agree with Soham. Great decision

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    1. Soham17 October 2017 at 22:01

      Unfortunately the stonewall penalty missed missed for Tottenham earlier in the game is a significant and poor mistake :(

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  21. Chefren17 October 2017 at 21:58

    Kassai with a more than easy game I guess...

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    1. Soham17 October 2017 at 21:59

      I think Committee knew exactly what they would get in the game and that's how Kassai has been appointed there

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    2. referee observer17 October 2017 at 22:08

      The Kassai story is rather complicated at the moment.

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    3. Soham17 October 2017 at 22:11

      Indeed so... Can you share more on it??

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    4. referee observer17 October 2017 at 22:40

      I can't say much but he is in danger even for demotion.......

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    5. Chefren17 October 2017 at 22:58

      A demotion after last KO stage wouldn't have been a scandal, I would say. However, we can't talk about such important decision only due to one game, even though really poor managed. The problem with Kassai is that also in the past he had some periods of "black out".
      That's my humble opinion: I think he should work hard on motivations, because in the past years he showed to be a top class referee, without any doubt.
      Another real problem was that he got everything (WC Semifinal, CL final) definitely too early... how many years have passed? That's surely to be taken into account, as well. However, I wish the best for his future. It will be interesting to know how FIFA will treat him, differently (or not) from UEFA?

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    6. referee observer17 October 2017 at 23:10

      Kassai has a huge issue domestically and not with UEFA.

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    7. Soham17 October 2017 at 23:29

      What exactly is the matter?? @anonymous

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    8. referee observer18 October 2017 at 15:20

      I can't say, Soham.

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  22. Referee analyst17 October 2017 at 22:01

    55’ : nightmare night for Mazic assistant... offside missed prior to 1-2 from Besiktas. Offside missed after first kick on goal...

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    1. Mlacko17 October 2017 at 22:08

      It was onside.

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    2. DutchRedREF17 October 2017 at 22:10


      https://streamable.com/dpsy5
      If you stop the video at the moment the player shot, you see Babel #8 staying offside.

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    3. Soham17 October 2017 at 22:11

      Well some top contenders for WC aren't covering themselves in glory it seems... Mazic had potential crucial mistake in Roma - Atlético Madrid and now Team Mazic struggling in Monaco as well... Not a very convenient time to lose form as a team I'm afraid :(

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    4. Mlacko17 October 2017 at 22:22

      He not even losing form. He was very good in Roma - Atletico. Also didnt saw first dissallowed goal but this one is hard to spot since you have 2 players infront.

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    5. Soham17 October 2017 at 22:25

      I remember Chefren reporting one missed handball penalty and another potential missed penalty in Roma - Atlético Madrid... I didn't see the match but highly esteemed comments from other members clearly suggests it's a crucial mistake by Mazic as the match ended 0-0...

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    6. Mlacko17 October 2017 at 22:26

      First one was for handball and i think he made mistake there but his position in that situation was bad, second appeal for good decision..

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    7. Chefren17 October 2017 at 22:32

      Yes, watching the video, at the moment of the shot the player looks in offside. Not 100% sure, I guess there are other replays, but very likely offside.

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    8. fudbaler17 October 2017 at 23:28

      Reflection?

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    9. referee observer18 October 2017 at 15:23

      Mazic had 2 crucial mistakes at Roma - Atletico.

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  23. Chefren17 October 2017 at 22:09

    64': Mateu Lahoz correctly rejected a penalty appeal by Napoli.
    It looked like a handball by a defender without keeper behind (so in case, RC) but the ball touched only the body.

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  24. Soham17 October 2017 at 22:13

    Well Marciniak has been a bit off colour today... Lots of errors here and there in relation to corner, goal kick decisions... A couple of wrong offside decisions from ARs as well but not game changing... We have seen better performances from the Polish crew overall

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    1. RayHD17 October 2017 at 22:45

      Unfortunately, I agree. One of the weakest if not the weakest Marciniak's CL game. It was surely no good day of Polish officials: one crucial mistake and several other weaknesses, also from assistant referees.

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    2. Freekick17 October 2017 at 22:46

      Agree!
      Tottenham goal was off side - very tight
      Madrid penalty - was there any contact? First slow replay angle shows no contact - second angle from behind goal is more doubtful.
      Ronaldo got YC for Unsporting behaviour in the first half. Off ball incident. RC for VC an option?

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    3. Chefren17 October 2017 at 22:48

      Waiting eagerly for some videos...

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    4. Stake17 October 2017 at 23:34

      Two major incidents already discussed here in Marciniak's game:

      Penalty appeal Tottenham
      https://streamable.com/b8e0b

      Penalty given to real
      https://streamable.com/vllks

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    5. Chefren18 October 2017 at 00:08

      In my opinion both incidents are really difficult to assess. Starting from the penalty appeal: I watched and rewatched the video, but I can't understand whether Real Madrid player touched at first the ball (even though slightly) and then the opponent. In case, this would maybe be a reason to back referee. However, AAR2, immediately after the incident had a strange posture and gesture, like waiting for a call by Marciniak. In case, I wouldn't then understand why this didn't happen.
      Penalty to Real: I'm not 100% fully convinced. Was the contact really significant? Was the player already about to fall down before it? The answer to second question is very likely positive. However, referee can be backed in this case.

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  25. DutchRedREF17 October 2017 at 22:17

    "72 Good penalty call by Lahoz

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  26. Chefren17 October 2017 at 22:17

    Second penalty whistled by Mateu Lahoz and again absolutely clear.
    This time he waited a few instants before deciding: possible AAR1 intervention, at least for a confirmation. However, given the position where the foul occurred, it was something to be detected exclusively by Mateu. So far, I must say an excellent performance, really good.

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  27. DutchRedREF17 October 2017 at 22:19

    "75 RC given by Unidano Mallenco, 2nd YC given to a shaktar player for SPA/Holding. Right decision of the spanish.

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  28. Chefren17 October 2017 at 22:20

    75': disallowed goal scored by Manchester City, AR2.
    Correct decision. The Spanish crew is at moment in a very top form, I must say. Mateu and his assistant referees deserve at moment a ticket for Russia.

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  29. Chefren17 October 2017 at 22:36

    Kulbakov with a very challenging and tense game, I can deduce it from the fact that he issued several cards in a few minutes.
    However, I didn't expect such outcome and maybe the same thought was shared by committee. This game so far is definitely crucial for qualification, with both teams still with only 1 point.

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  30. DutchRedREF17 October 2017 at 22:40

    Chefren, I think we saw today 2 good spanish teams, Undiano Mallenco and Lahoz. Good management and a lot of correct decisions in critical situations. We see often in Spain a lot of mistakes but today a great performance.

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    1. Chefren17 October 2017 at 22:47

      I agree, I watched only Mateu, he was excellent this evening.

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  31. DutchRef18 October 2017 at 01:41

    With a word of gratitude to RayHD for providing the moments and minutes, find the most interesting situations of the Real Madrid vs. Tottenham Hotspur match (Szymon Marciniak) below:

    20' Penalty appeal TOT
    https://streamable.com/bslkt

    28' Own goal RMA - offside?
    https://streamable.com/x744m

    32' YC Cristiano Ronaldo - UB
    https://streamable.com/ytpvt

    42' Penalty RMA
    https://streamable.com/el6l9

    53' Onside - offside
    https://streamable.com/ijcas

    54' Onside - offside
    https://streamable.com/x1fvw

    68' Goal kick - corner kick
    https://streamable.com/xrtun

    70' Goal kick - corner kick
    https://streamable.com/wc8hk

    75' Onside - offside
    https://streamable.com/uuo5p

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    1. Mikael W18 October 2017 at 06:46

      Agreed with Soham, on the whole it was no disasterous night for the Polish team but also no satisfactory one either.

      20' Surely Musial actually has a zero angle at all to see the situation, everything is happening on the other side to him. I would guess he shouts sth to Marciniak like- "this is your call", although it is right next to AAR2 I don't think he can perceive the contact.
      Marciniak's position as Ray said made him look only at the tackle from a poor angle, he must only see the ball move and the actual contact is impossible to decide from that angle. With AAR is it illogical to stand in this position for a cross to my mind.
      I am not even sure it will be a crucial mistake, but the Polish team couldn't decide thanks to luck (Musial) and not feeling what was to happen next (Marciniak) in positioning.

      42' Even if RMA was trying to fall because he was about to be tackled, the contact by TOT was definitely enough for a Penalty in my opinion. Delayed YC to TOT#3 also, Marciniak surely lost the player and (A)AR1 told him.

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    2. Soham18 October 2017 at 07:48

      @Mikael Why the situation at 20' is not a crucial mistake? Thought it was an absolute stonewaller missed and would've impacted the game in a different way surely!!

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    3. Mlacko18 October 2017 at 08:48

      20' no penalty for me. Casemiro hitted the ball first then almost slipped and hitted players feet, for me play-on.

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    4. Gitzlo18 October 2017 at 12:18

      20' clear penalty imo.

      About 42': At least an acceptable if not even correct penalty whistle. But what about his positioning? First, he has to avoid a ball contact, then he's quite far away, whistling a penalty from ~10m outside of the box. He has to bank on his assistants - this is always a queasy feeling for a referee.

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    5. Gitzlo18 October 2017 at 12:21

      I want to add, it's not the first time Marciniak has problems with movement/positioning - and the situation in 20' isn't a promo for his positioning as well...

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    6. RayHD18 October 2017 at 13:43

      The YC at penalty in 42' is wrong, imo. The tackle is not reckless, there is no DOGSO. SPA in penalty area should not be booked anymore.

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    7. Soham18 October 2017 at 14:26

      It was a very late YC as well... Marciniak dished the YC out some time after whistling the penalty

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    8. Shearer19 October 2017 at 14:31

      In case someone reads it...
      2 crucial mistakes. PK should have been awarded to TOT and no PK for RM

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  32. DutchRef18 October 2017 at 12:21

    Some highlights of AS Monaco - Besiktas (Milorad Mazic):

    7' Disallowed goal Babel
    https://streamable.com/4cgy8

    16' YC Pepe; SPA - DOGSO
    https://streamable.com/hbbvp

    26' careless - reckless; player management
    https://streamable.com/zft7y

    36' YC Arslan; card showing procedure
    https://streamable.com/b58cu

    54' Goal BES; onside - offside
    https://streamable.com/71p2u

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    1. Chefren18 October 2017 at 12:30

      DutchRef, of course you are welcome on this new blog and I want to thank you again for your work.

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    2. RayHD18 October 2017 at 16:56

      7' - onside
      16' - grey area, but SPA is preferable nowadays (doubts + foul is an attempt to play the ball)
      26' - careless, SPA-like, strong verbal warning is enough
      36' - SPA-like, no eye-contact
      54' - offside

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    3. Chefren18 October 2017 at 17:13

      7': onside
      16': in my opinion this must be a RC. Without the foul, player would have had the chance to run alone and then shot on goal without any doubt there, in addition please see Pepe's reaction, he is more than happy to get "only" YC and he is worried about the possible complaints by opponent...
      26': also in this case, I think YC should have been the best solution, and again please notice player's reaction, who thanks Mazic for the choice, I really don't like that attitude, but this is his style!
      36': Very weird, showing the card and looking elsewhere, not the best procedure, but of course I wont question too much about that, YC is mandatory there.
      54': clear offside

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    4. Ryan18 October 2017 at 20:27

      For the careless-reckless challenge in the 26th minute, what do you think the referee would have said to the player?

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    5. Shearer19 October 2017 at 14:42

      2 crucial mistakes by team Mazic, wrongly disallowed goal in 7' and wrongla allowed goal in 54'

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  33. DutchRef18 October 2017 at 13:07

    And some of the Feyenoord - Shakhtar highlights (Alberto Undiano Mallenco):

    24' Goal SHA; onside AR2
    https://streamable.com/aqdjw

    48'- 74' Both YC's Rakitskiy (SHA)
    https://streamable.com/n0i94
    https://streamable.com/a3fp4

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    1. Chefren18 October 2017 at 16:59

      Both YC absolutely correct, in the first case action was close to RC for SFP.

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  34. DutchRef18 October 2017 at 17:56

    And finally some moments in Manchester City - Napoli (Antonio Mateu Lahoz):

    4' Foul De Bruyne before chance MCI
    https://streamable.com/wc9c7

    37' Penalty NAP and YC Walker (MCI); holding
    https://streamable.com/lnhsz

    65' Handball penalty appeal NAP
    https://streamable.com/zt88j

    72' Penalty NAP and YC Fernandinho; tripping
    https://streamable.com/blyru

    75' Disallowed goal MCI; offside
    https://streamable.com/ljj9g

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  35. Nis18 October 2017 at 18:20

    Rb Leipzing:fc Porto.Goal for 1:0.Ofside or not?

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    1. Chefren18 October 2017 at 20:34

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6khDTXVahaQ
      Indeed it looks like offside, but a very particular and difficult situation to read.
      The player who tries the shot before the author of the goal misses the ball, so the "offside" is still active as there was only a double attempt to make a save by keeper.

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    2. Philipp S20 October 2017 at 11:35

      But was the second touch by the keeper a save or deliberate play - I would say no save, because he does not block a shot. Difficult situation indeed

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