Christopher Beath (AUS) has been selected by FIFA to officiate the final of 2021 FIFA Club World Cup.
Final
12 February 2022, 17:30 CET
Chelsea FC (ENG) - Sociedade Esportiva Palmeiras (BRA)
Referee: Christopher Beath (AUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Anton Shchetinin (AUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Ashley Beecham (AUS)
Fourth Official: Mustapha Ghorbal (ALG)
Reserve Assistant Referee: Abdelhak Etchiali (ALG)
VAR: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
AVAR1: Nicolas Gallo (COL)
AVAR2: Mokrane Gourari (ALG)
Referee: Christopher Beath (AUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Anton Shchetinin (AUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Ashley Beecham (AUS)
Fourth Official: Mustapha Ghorbal (ALG)
Reserve Assistant Referee: Abdelhak Etchiali (ALG)
VAR: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
AVAR1: Nicolas Gallo (COL)
AVAR2: Mokrane Gourari (ALG)
AVAR3: Ammar Aljeneibi (UAE)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Valentin Valentinovič Ivanov (RUS)Third Place Game
12 February 2022, 14:00 CET
Al Hilal SFC (KSA) - Al Ahly SC (EGY)
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: César Ramos (MEX)
Reserve Assistant Referee: Diego Bonfá (ARG)
VAR: Willy Delajod (FRA)
AVAR1: Pol van Boekel (NED)
AVAR2: Juan Pablo Belatti (ARG)
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: César Ramos (MEX)
Reserve Assistant Referee: Diego Bonfá (ARG)
VAR: Willy Delajod (FRA)
AVAR1: Pol van Boekel (NED)
AVAR2: Juan Pablo Belatti (ARG)
AVAR3: Drew Fischer (CAN)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Óscar Julián Ruiz Acosta (COL)
Beath* :D
ReplyDeleteAcredito ser uma aposta da FIFA. Geralmente são europeus ou da América do Sul ou da Concacaf. Parabéns ao blog pela imediata divulgação da escala. Aliás, sou leitor assíduo do Blog aqui no Brasil
ReplyDeletePredictable
ReplyDeleteCongrats to Beathy. Well deserved. He joins his colleague Alireza Faghani in refereeing both the Olympic Final and the Club World Cup Final.
ReplyDeleteQuite sure that Orsato has a CL game on Tuesday or Wednesday, he has been appointed as VAR for a game on Saturday while his assistant referees are both appointed in another game the same day. In addition, Doveri who can work as fourth official to Orsato in CL is referee for Napoli - Inter, big match of the day.
ReplyDeleteAtalanta - Juventus goes to Mariani, and Guida gets another quite important game, Sassuolo - Roma, after the Milan's derby, this means that he has got a quite positive assessment for the performance.
I think it is possible that Orsato is referee for PSG - Real Madrid, but I wouldn't exclude one of the other games of the week because at moment he is not in the best form (poor Fiorentina - Lazio as last game and more generally a below expectation season so far).
Orsato has refereed maybe five Serie A matches this season, between injuries, Covid, FIFA/UEFA rallies and Rocchi's choices: for example, Fiorentina-Lazio was the only match in the last two months. It's not a season below expectation, it's a season where he doesn't take the field!
DeleteSo either Taylor or Orsato will officiate the PSG-RMA game 1st leg.
Delete@ Chefren: do you expect that the committee will choose to NOT appoint potential CL final referees to the biggest KO-games "on paper"?
@Unknown Yes, I think so. Big candidates could stay away from potentially "dangerous" games.
DeleteWe will see starting from next week.
This year final candidate is the most predictable: Makkelie
Delete@ Sam: don't underestimate Ajax ;)
DeleteIf Makkelie or Turpin are suddenly appointed to EL games, then we know what time it is. It is going to be interesting to see who gets the "weakest" appointments (unless committee has a different appointment strategy this year...)
Somehow, I also don't completely rule out Carlos DCG. He was the 4th official in last years CL Final and also at the EURO 2020 final. That could either be a nice gesture to someone at the end of his carreer or something 'bigger'.
I would also not rule out Marciniak. He certainly has enough experience, also in top games. He just needs to be in form and deliver a convincing KO stage.
Delete@ Unknown and Philipp, fair to point out these candidates
DeleteWe should agree that Ajax will have very limited chance to reach the final. Turpin is indeed my second choice, but I think Makkelie has a better season than him. Also Turpin is still relatively young so he is the strongest candidate next season if he performs well.
I have no idea for CDG and I do not understand why he "usually" gets big games. I would not say that he never convinces me, but IMO he is not in the top referees list. He made much more "clear" mistake than other top referees over last few seasons in CL and EURO 2021.
For Marciniak, indeed he is an experienced referee but he is out of the big stage for not a short time. He has been excellent recently, but I do not expect he will be a candidate for this year CL final. My predictions are:
CL final: Makkelie
EL final: Hategan / Karasev
To be clear: I also see Makkelie as favourite for the final at the moment, followed by Turpin.
DeleteAnd for EL, I agree with Hategan and Karasev as candidates, but would also here add Marciniak and dCG, and also Vincic.
How about Siebert as a candidate for EL final?
DeleteInteresting VAR choice for the final. The AFC VAR Aljeneibi didn't work as first VAR all tournament, so he probably is not considered ready. But Fischer would have been a good alternative from a neutral confederation (+ speaks the same language as the referee).
ReplyDeleteWe know how much FIFA love Irrati as a VAR. Plus he was also VAR in Beath's other match.
Deletehttps://www.uefa.com/returntoplay/news/0272-14691bd70f85-1cb9a4240d37-1000--referees-asked-to-protect-football-s-image/
ReplyDeleteArticle about Winter Course, held online.
It seems as Velasco will take a special role as VAR expert inside committee, as one could have guessed.
"take firm action against over-reaction by players to innocuous fouls, attempts by players to pressure referees into giving opponents red or yellow cards, and efforts to deceive the referee through acts of simulation."
DeleteGreat. Hope to see more YC's for dissent, theatre and exaggerated reactions. The ref should always be respected.
I do not forget the outrageous refereeing by Mr. Velasco Carballo in Brazil-Colombia. We can only hope that he won't teach now what he practiced back then. Yes, it's been a very long time. But I still remember.
DeleteOh wow I remember that too. It was one of the most terrible refereeing performance in WC history
DeleteBut a consequence of the terrible rules that Busacca set...
DeleteGestranius (UEFA 1st) will retire from international and domestic football in March (source FA of Finland)
ReplyDeleteGestranius was not invited to the last Advanced Course for Top Referees - I fear that will exclude him from a farewell match in the Champions League, the Europa League or the Conference League ...
DeletePeter/Vienna
A great referee that really has set the standards in Finland. Qualitywise nobody has been close to him.
DeleteHe will apparently start to work for the Finnish FA, as head of the top referees.
Orel Grinfeld appointed for Olympiakos - AEK according to Israelian media. Ziv Adler will be VAR.
ReplyDeleteAppointments will be released tomorrow.
DeleteI remember a case 2-3 years ago when Pereira changed the referee because his FA (Finland IIRC) leaked the name of the referee.
Let's see if Clattenburg keeps the appointment....
Atalanta - Fiorentina, coppa Italia:
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This penalty has been given after OFR, very particular incident, but at the end, we can classify it as step on foot.
In my opinion it is strange because it is mostly Fiorentina's attacker putting his foot under the defender, who is very unlucky.
In any case, should be correct VAR intervention, I think.
Correct VAR intervention imo. I think as a referee, in this situation, you can`t pretend nothing happened, you are obliged to whistle. But indeed, particular incident, bad luck for Atalanta`s defender. Marco Guida is VAR, right? I heard his name in commentary.
DeleteYes Fabbri referee, Guida VAR.
DeleteA little bit OT but, how do you guys expect to be this KO stage season for Szymon Marciniak? Many people, including me, see a "duel" for the last UEFA spot in Qatar between Marciniak and Cakir. I think it`s very difficult for us to appreciate the level of trust he has now from Rosetti, I really don`t know what to expect. Definetely he is in upper Elite, but I see him under Vincic, Hategan or Karasev in this moment. However, he was chosed to take part in Arab Cup, so...? Only time will tell, I guess.
ReplyDeleteIMO Marciniak will not be likely to get his place to attend WC unless he performs extremely well in the rest of this season or some unexpected happen (another referee injure, etc.). I expect him to get big games in CL KO, but I agree with you that he is under so many names. It will not be easy to get his ticket to WC.
DeleteIf you only compare him with Cakir, I would say, Marciniak is ahead at the moment, i.e. would win this duel.
DeleteHowever, it looks like the 9-10 referees will be picked from currently 12 very good candidates. If they restrict on 1 referee per country this could mean:
del Cerro Grande or Mateu, Siebert, Hategan, Marciniak, Oliver or Taylor, Turpin, Karasev, Vincic, Orsato, Makkelie.
So in case of only 9 places, one of those needed to be left out (I assume, a support referee spot would go to a younger ref). If there are 10 places, all of them could go (except the second choice in ENG and ESP).
Anyway, the play-off appointments and performance probably will tell us more.
Do not forget Marciniak's issues with added time at the Arab Cup... he may be getting good appointments in UEFA, but FIFA will not easily forget what happened last December in Qatar...
DeleteKwiatkowski said in an interview that FIFA was very satisfied with how Marciniak dealt with additional time in that game. Shortly before this game, the referees were told to add appropriate amount of time after some referees failed to do that in previous games.
DeleteConsidering that Cakir already refereed 2 times a semi-final in World Cups (2014/2018), in 2016 and 2021 (euro) at least got a quarter final), and Marciniak had none off this, the coiche should be clear for me
DeleteThis is the first time I hear that FIFA was pleased with that. Euro Soccer Ref, could you please provide a link where we could read that statement by Kwiatkowski?
Deletehttps://www.meczyki.pl/newsy/polski-sedzia-z-szansami-na-mundial-ta-druzyna-to-najwyzszy-poziom-mobbingu-nasz-wywiad/181592-n
DeleteMakkelie will referee ucl final this year and hategan will referee El final
ReplyDeleteThank you for this information Mr Rosetti!
DeleteYou are laughing or what did you mean
DeleteAt least he got the names right this time.
DeleteMohamed, you should have mentioned if this is your prediction or if you have a sourse.
DeleteDaniel Siebert is appointed for World Cup Final 2022, and Rappalini and Beath referee the semi-finals, Victor Gomes will handle the game for 3/4 place
Delete@ Eric: your prediction?
DeleteI like Siebert, but if I'm not mistaken: all UEFA referees that officiated the WC final this century had at least a CL-final under their belt.
I tried with giving my appointments for world cup final to show the useless thing such as my own, either finals for Champions league.... how can you make appointments already for Makkelie refereeing the final, while Ajax is stil playing Champions League and the finals not even started yet, doesn't make any sence, same like my post this time:-)
DeleteWhat will happen with Rapallini after he unluckily missed CWC? Will FIFA switch their focus to Tello, who attended the Arab Cup, or will consider Rapallini's Euro as enough proof that he is ready for a World Cup? There are no other FIFA tournaments between now and the WC in Qatar...
ReplyDeleteI hope Rapallini will be in good health and speedy recovery to compete with tello for who will represent Argentina whistle in wc in Qatar
ReplyDeleteTello just got assigned the CONMEBOL Supercup.
DeleteInteresting situation in Wolves v Arsenal. Michael Oliver plays advantage and the Arsenal player then commits another offence so he shows 2 yellow cards at once
ReplyDeletePerfect decision
DeleteHow so it’s never 2 yellow cards how can you even give an advantage when the ball is out of play it should of been a yellow for stopping the the throw in then the 2nd wouldn’t of happened
DeleteExcellent officiating from Oliver.
DeleteThe same thing happened with Chris Baird in NIR-HUN with Cakir being the referee. https://youtu.be/RY0DD120slk
@ MCPridz, I do not understand your logic, are you saying the second yellow will not be happened if the advantage is not given? This is not guaranteed. The second yellow can happen no matter there is an advantage or not. Well done by Oliver. I love seeing this kind of quality and effective refereeing
DeleteAlso, if you see carefully, the ball was already in play if Oliver made a call for the first foul. Wolves quickly make a transition into an attacking opportunity. Oliver made a brilliant decision of giving an advantage.
DeleteHackett said that if Olivier was going to book Martinelli for the first then he shouldn’t of awarded the advantage play should of been stopped a yellow issued, then Martinelli wouldn’t of commuted the 2nd offence how can you issue a 2nd yellow before issuing the 1st
DeleteSo what Hackett is saying is that you should never play advantage when there is a yellow card to be awarded. He's absolutely wrong on this, I'm sorry
DeleteYou can’t give a 2nd yellow before issuing the first though how was Martinelli to know he was getting booked
DeleteI think Oliver made the wrong decision. Not because he gave 2 yellows in the same sequence, I think that is within the LOTG.
DeleteHowever, refer to Law 15, ‘ An opponent who unfairly distracts or impedes the thrower (including moving closer than 2 m (2 yds) to the place where the throw-in is to be taken) is cautioned for unsporting behaviour and if the throw-in has been taken an indirect free kick is awarded.’
There is no provision within law 15 that allows for the playing of advantage when it comes to not respecting distance during throw ins. If Oliver wishes to give a yellow for the throw in disruption, he must award an indirect free kick. Either he could have 1) given the yellow for the SPA, and FK at SPA position or 2) yellow for throw in offence and indirect FK at throw in sport. At least that is how I understand the points under law 15.
To clarify Hackett's view, he too makes reference to the above: 'because the re-start of the game was incorrect action should have been taken immediately. There are times when advantage can be played on a yellow card offence. This was not one of them in my opinion'
DeleteSource: https://twitter.com/HACKETTREF/status/1491924645926289409?cxt=HHwWgoCygfPjsLQpAAAA
@Tk if a IDFK is to be awarded if the throw-in is taken, then what is stopping advantage being played?
DeleteTK, you are wrong. They only write that so you know how to restart play if the offence happens when the throw-in has been taken AND you blow the whistle. If you give an advantage it’s an advantage just like any foul during play. Nothing unusual.
DeleteVery controversial performance by José Luis Munuera Montero in Athletic-Valencia.
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ReplyDeleteYou can find Greek Superleague appointments on our domestic appointments page, in the comments section:
https://law5-theref.blogspot.com/p/domestic-competitions-appointments_18.html
So, drawing some conclusions about this tournament we can't say so many things about the real preferences by FIFA committee. In this situation of emergency, without two referees, Rapallini and David Yareboinen, appointments were almost forced. The confederations unwritten rule has been always respected, let's also add that maybe when they made the early appointments, the issues for Rapallini were not still happened (that's only an assumption) so I would say impossible to go in a deeper analysis. Good for Beath to get another FIFA final, however I think that in "normal conditions" Ghorbal could have had a chance.
ReplyDeleteTrying also to answer to a question above, I think that Rapallini will go to WC, a game or two can't make a real difference in terms of selecting or not him. Surely unlucky circumstances.
If I can add sth - the only game shown so far on television here was Ramos SF, and while I was pleased to note from other users that the Mexican was in a run of good performances, I can’t say that he really impressed me in this game.
DeleteThe match wasn’t too challenging, but what stood out to me was Mr Ramos’ lack of security in his decisions - many quite basic calls, restart and freekick situations, were taken after visible delay and some uncertainty on Ramos’ part (eg. 4’, 9’, 28’, 48’, 61’, 80’).
In addition, I saw quite an isolated leader on the FoP, unable to really connect with other actors, and his disciplinary control basically didn’t take control of the players actions; it was more by luck than judgement that this game didn’t slide away from him (eg. 12’, 34’, 52’, 72’, 80’, 83’/84’, 85’, +91’).
To add - there was an interesting penalty appeal at 55’ (think Kuipers in Barcelona 11/12), a not-given foul as a SPA vs. DOGSO holding incident (80’) and the ARs were very good, besides one understandable Hernández mistake (42’).
In a sum, I think César Ramos is a solid enough referee, and I think he will be selected for the next WC. However, for me that says more about the level of his compatriots whom FIFA visibly tried to test in this cycle, than a personal compliment to Mr Ramos himself.
I do not think it is lack of security; it is his new style of delaying his whistle in case there is an advantage. He does that in every match on purpose.
DeleteIt is true that he does not really connect with players, but he is able to make correct decisions in important situations, which IMO matters the most.
To tell you the truth, that is Ramos style for many years. I have watched him more here in CONCACAF competitions and he presents himself quite strong with the players. His performance was good in the CWC but not the the same standard as in the CAN-USA WCQ on January 27. Ramos was very strong and many experts in the region including a large number of supporters said that it was probably the best refereeing performance if the CONCACAF WCQ 3rd Rd. His experience in LigaMX and within CONCACAF Champions League has helped him improve drastically in the last 5 years. He is the top referee in CONCACAF at the moment with a few nipping at his feels (Elfath, Fischer) but agreed he will be selected to the World Cup in 2022.
DeleteI do not watch Ramos since Asian Cup 2019. He was terrible in the Asian Cup and it was ridiculous to appoint him in the KO stage. His performance in WC 2018 was not good either. He missed so many cards in Brazil-Switzerland. Best of luck to him in WC this year, which Indeed he will certainly be selected
DeleteI think, he was alright in 2018. In BRA-SUI, a big controversial decision, but otherwise solid. A good performance in POL-COL.
DeleteAnd then a difficult R16 match URU-POR, not without mistakes, but kept under control with the expected lenient disciplinary line.
Ramos's refereeing seems to bring up a variety of differing opinions. I think one notable quality about him is that he has some games where he is very very lenient about his yellow cards. (I actually disagree with this point in the Brazil - Switzerland game: he, perhaps uncharacteristically, showed all the cards he could in that game, but the Swiss team was happy to keep taking them so there was nothing more he could do). URU-POR and CAN-USA are great examples of his usual style - very energetic, moving around all over the place and being very present, but declining to show yellow cards in almost all situations. In both those games, particularly URU-POR, in my opinion this was a bad thing for his performance. URU-POR kind of got away from him as a result, because players could get away with too much.
DeletePinheiro with one of the toughest matches to handle that I have seen in recent times.
ReplyDeleteMatch is Porto vs Sporting, very important title race match and lot of passion in 1st half from both teams.
5 bookings and much more incidents and confrontations.
And a big confrontation at the end with several RCs shown into the crowd of players and team officials.
DeleteBefore the last set piece of the match, already some issues with an injured player, who re-entered the field to hold the game for his treatment and then refused to leave. Clear YC missed there (if I saw correctly).
And then that set piece lead to a possible penalty for Porto. Certainly dangerous play (i.e. a missed IFK IMO), but unclear whether there was contact. Referee ended the game and VAR didn't intervene.
After that, pure chaos...
Does anyone know where to find CAF Champions League referee appointments? CAF Online, CAF Media and CAF CL websites don't even release referee appointments for their competitions. Unless I am looking in the wrong places? Thank you kindly
ReplyDeleteMamelodi Sundowns - Al-Hilal Omdurman
DeleteREF: Joshua Bondo (BOT)
AR1: Souru Phatsoane (LES)
AR2: Arsénio Chadreque Marengula (MOZ)
4OF: Celso Armindo Alvação (MOZ)
Etoile du Sahel - Belouizdad
REF: Ibrahim Ali Said Nur Ad-Din (EGY)
AR1: Yusif Wahid Yusif Al-Busaiti (EGY)
AR2: Samir Jamal Sa'ad Muhammad (EGY)
4OF: Ahmad Al-Ghandur (EGY)
Wydad Athletic Club - GD Sagrada Esperança
REF: Daniel Nii Ayi Laryea (GHA)
AR1: Habib Judicael Oumar Sanou (BFA)
AR2: Kwasi Acheampong Brobbey (GHA)
4OF: Jean Ouattara (BFA)
I already didn't understand why the KNVB chose Kooij for the FIFA list, but after his performance yesterday in De Graafschap-Dordrecht (Dutch 2nd division), it's even a bigger riddle. Completely crazy penalty decision.
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/ESPNnl/status/1492260879282417665
@Uwknown: this is a better camera position. Light contact on the leg. I prefer play-on though.
Deletehttps://twitter.com/KevintenDolle/status/1492269934042357761?s=20&t=FgpDYodzTInjx9wRX4wnDw
Not a totally wrong penalty, but rather extremely soft. No VAR stuff but in my view as observer, mistake by referee on the pitch.
DeleteThe reason KNVB put Kooij on the list might be because he has a relationship with the daughter of Frank de Boer.... I dont see any argument of putting him on the UEFA list other then this one. He is the absolute worst the KNVB has to offer, together with S. Mulder, who I havent seen on the eredivisie pitch for a long time. And I really hope he stays away. These two screw up almost every match in which i see them with their arrogant style.... really unpleasant to watch them IMO.
Deleteblaming referees is the most easy thing players and coaches can do, let's compare the amount of mistakes and fouls players make to the descisions the referee does wrong....for this you can give a penalty... yes it's very soft, but iff the player doesn't want a penalty against him i will advise him to not give the referee a chance to give it, keep your leg where it belongs, and the referee doesn't give a penalty! Kooij is young and talented, and wants to make promotion... so you know he will follow the textbook, you should keep that in mind, for me the relationship with doughter of Frank de Boer doesn't have anything to do with Kooij on the Fifa-list... de Boer has no influence on the Dutch referees because De Boer is no observer for referees, Dick Jol (former fifa/championsleague final in 2001) referee also said Joey Kooij is an absolute talented referee, and will be the next nr.1 referee after Makkelie.... and btw when Makkelie and Kuipers where young..... wheren't they also considered arrogant???
Delete@Eric van Marwijk Please provide the source of Jol’s opinion about Kooij? Haven’t seen anything like that in the national media. You have a link?
Deletehttps://www.tubantia.nl/sport/dick-jol-blikt-twintig-jaar-later-terug-op-zijn-champions-league-finale-die-eerste-penalty-zou-ik-nooit-meer-geven~a45e2a64/?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
Deletei made a little mistake: Jol didn't say Kooij will be the next number 1, but said Kooij is an absolute talented referee and has everything to become a topreferee
Delete@Chefren:
DeleteCan you explain your words about the penalty: Not a totally wrong penalty, No VAR stuff... but in your view as observer mistake by the referee on the pitch?????? Think this sounds like politics..... yes, but no, but maybe! It's eather yes or no:-) iff you see it as a mistake by the referee on the pitch... then VAR should be on the line, one thing we must say... in this league there is no VAR... penalty is soft but can be given in my vieuw, so not a mistake by Kooij i think
Now we can see the real Turpin, two red cards in first half ;)
ReplyDeleteFirst one minute 14' SFP directly spotted by him: excellent decision.
Studs extremely up, maybe the intensity of the touch is not severe but mandatory RC to me.
27' second RC: this time after OFR. It was a violent conduct during a corner kick action (deliberately kicking opponent), live I didn't notice anything. No blame at all for the French, absolutely correct intervention. About this intervention, my wish is that in the upcoming UEFA KO stage all referees working as VAR will share this line of intervention, in front of a quite clear action.
Quite dirty play from Saudi team.
Video to follow.
Umm is anyone watching Turpin's game? 2 red cards in the first half. 1st one was for SFP. A brilliant call by Turpin in the 14th minute. The second one was violent conduct behind play so VAR called for an OFR in the 27th minute.
ReplyDeleteThis happend this afternoon in the PL: https://streamgg.com/v/6207c1f188b5a
ReplyDeleteH. Maguire bundles into Broja and then stands on his leg. What are the oppinions on this blog? Should VAR have intervened and if yes, for the bump or the step on the leg?
No VAR intervention? That's shocking.
DeleteThe previous challenge is not VAR stuff, but the step on leg is clearly a punishable offense in all cases. One can "only" have the doubt whether unintentional (and so reckless, YC) or interntional (RC, violent conduct). Given that the defender can go easily to get the ball, I think it would have been stupid for him to commit such an intentional action, so maybe it wasn't done on purpose. But considering it as no foul is really without explanation, who was VAR there?
Jarred Gillett was the VAR here.
DeleteSorry, I don't want to be harsh and I would never say that, but these decisions in Premier League make me think that some referees don't know the LotG. Can we give a different read here? How it is possible to think, step on leg is no foul? Something by far even worse than step on foot. It is shocking, but at least this comes from a VAR who is not used in international competitions, otherwise I would have been even more worried.
DeleteI don't understand how VAR didn't look at Maguire's clear step on Broja's leg. Like Chefren said, it is a punishable offense in all cases either unintentional (YC) or intentional (RC).
DeleteIt's one of those situations where referee(s) deem the stamp as totally accidental and unavoidable -> a player is running in a natural way (the duel is fairly won by him) and it's an opponent who puts the leg into the path of his opponent. While the step is blatant, you can also say that one can understand such interpretation. The most important is to have uniformity in assessing such incidents.
DeleteStrongly disagree, because for the same reason a step on foot could be assessed as totally unintentional and not punishable. Where is the difference? Here you can only expect whistling foul, then discussion about giving a card or not, and the possible color.
DeleteLet me play Devil's Advocate and flip the question on you, Chefren: What about Maguire's actions is careless or reckless?
DeleteAs I wrote before, I wouldn't go for RC in my opinion even careless is OK, but I can't seee NO FOUL...
DeleteNow for my actual opinion: I agree with you that it is careless/reckless. Once could say that it is just unlucky and Maguire's done nothing inherently careless and then the attacker's leg just *happened* to show up right where he was putting his foot. That said, I think this argument is weakened considerably by the fact that it's Maguire who has caused the attacker to fall in the first place.
DeleteTurpin red cards in first half of third place game:
ReplyDelete14'
https://streamable.com/urul6a
Excellent decision directly by Turpin, looking at the replay in my opinion he was not in the best position to see the point of contact, I don't think that FO cooperated because RC was really quick. In case, a bit of intuition by the French. Very good. About the incident, point of contact suggests a clear red card, despite of a maybe not severe intensity (would have been in case even worse).
27'
https://streamable.com/m0fb22
Impossible to spot live in this case, it happened when Turpin was turning his view to players for the new action after the corner.
The interesting thing is that he immediately stopped the game, maybe he has the perception that something had happened, but in this case you can easily say VAR is there exactly for that, and no blame for referee. Also, the intervention is in my opinion a good spot for all the VAR that are about to start UEFA KOo stage. To all of them, please watch and to the same in this kind of incident. This is by far clearer than other situations than very often went unpunished because with a possible small doubt about the intensity.
14': Excellent decision taken live, stonewall SFP, well done. I must add i'm pleased he got this one, because as a Frenchman he got recently quite a few cases of SFP underpunished (domestically). This is the "old" Turpin I like: not afraid to give early red cards, taking brave and correct decisions when needed.
Delete27' Good VAR intervention. IMO there is no simply no room for discussion: purposefully kick your opponent with your leg when the ball is out of play should always be assessed as VC.
Hard stamp by Havertz on boot or even above boot at about 19" looked like it could have warranted YC, but I don't know if Beath saw it.
ReplyDeleteI thought the same, but when I remember FIFA's guidelines on stamps at WC2018, I'm not surprised to see this wasn't cautioned TBH.
DeleteSPA vs DOGSO incident in Bochum - Bayern Munich. What are your thoughts (also regarding potential VAR intervention)?
ReplyDeletehttps://ok.ru/video/3430440372897?fromTime=917
Site asks me to register or log in before DOGSO incident comes up.
DeleteYou should try the fullscreen mode, just after clicking play. You shouldn't be bothered if you stay on fullscreen mode.
DeleteAs for the situation, I have a quite clear preference for DOGSO here but VAR correctly remained silent IMO, as you could still argue about SPA with the ball's trajectory and the attacker not in 100% control of the ball.
I didn't see that the regsiter/log in prompt has a Close button at the bottom. I would say that that potential goal scoring opportunity isn't obvious because of the onrushing Bochum defender on Lewandowski's right side. Even though the defender is behind Lewandowski, he has more pace than him.
DeleteNot if this is just the opinion of a former referee.
ReplyDeleteThis reminds me of a former ref in my country who is issuing rates every week, however IMO he often has a different perception and wrong application of LOTG, is not objective (obviously dislikes some refs) and moreover, he is a strict by the book ref, which is nowadays not the best way to go.
Let’s take those rankings with a big pinch salt.
Good performance by Beath until now in a normal difficulty game, and now a penalty scored after a correct intervention by Irrati for a hard-to-spot handling offence (though YC should also have been issued imo).
ReplyDeleteIrrati showed again why he is the best VAR in the world. Quick and efficient intervention.
DeleteBeath has been good throughout the match so far. No complaints at all so far in his decision making and positioning.
DeleteFIFA found a good referee from a "small football country", which will be an asset when they need neutral referees for UEFA vs CONMEBOL matches.
DeletePK for handling by Silva at about 64'. His hand was in an unnatural position, yes, but the ball just glanced it and it didn't change the course of the ball's movement, as it went straight to a Palmeiras player. But PK is expected call, I guess.
ReplyDeleteInteresting to note, though, is that if Palmeiras player had an opportunity to score, being right in front of the goal, you could argue that that is the advantage and, once given, the foul can't be called later, though it wasn't an intentional advantage given by Beath but him rather not seeing the handling.
DeleteWhere does the idea that, once advantage apllied, the original foul cannot be called comes from? The referee always has 3-5 seconds to penalize the original foul if the advantage did not materialize. Has that changed?
DeleteYes, true, but I would say that's the time between the foul and the advantage being given.
DeleteChelsea - Palmeiras 61', penalty after OFR:
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Three very high class moments from Beath in 1ET:
ReplyDelete97’ - perfect use of presence after a foul call
105’ - game’s opening caution to Palmeiras no.11 after a deliberate SPA-ish foul; this man needed to be shown the line after already two dissenting(-ish) moments before
+106’ - superb firm action against a mobbing Palmeiras player who demanded a balancing caution
Very impressive Mr Beath! :)
Sorry, but refereeing easy parts of the game and missing all 3 KMIs is not impressive at all. I prefer a referee like Ramos, with less charisma, but gets the KMIs right.
DeleteFifa's own YouTube channel signals "handball" after OFR when the offence is "handling"--haha.
ReplyDeleteHandball has been an official term in the LOTG for a few years. There's nothing wrong with this. Especially because not all "handling" is an offense.
DeletePalmeiras wants more extra time but for what reason? Where there delays I missed?
ReplyDeleteBecause of the waiting on the Var intervention on the penalty
DeleteGood job by Beath in very clean game overall.
ReplyDeleteAll important decisions made by VAR not by the referee!
DeleteWas the touch by Havertz prompted by the Palmeiras tackle? As he hit it too far ahead for DOGSO and RC, though if tackle came and then he touched it, RC warranted.
ReplyDeleteClear DOGSO, no excuse for Beath.
DeleteAgreed with anonymous. Both handlings were understandably missed, but this was quite a poor mistake by the Aussie ref. Spoils a bit an overall strong impression, but mgmt has a much higher weighting in assessing performances in the VAR era, in that regard, Beath was (very) good in a normal difficulty final.
DeleteThe penalty in 117':
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Handballs always difficult to spot but maybe in this case more chances for referee to see it. I also think, clear YC for having blocked a shot there.
Red card in 120'+5:
https://streamgg.com/v/620805c50a8c6
Very quick counterattack and difficult assessment, he thought about a fair tackle (no foul whistled). Correct intervention by Irrati, clear DOGSO (no players without foul and free run towards the goal).
Well, with three VAR interventions for the three crucial incidents of the game, the assesment can be never positive... despite of having done all the rest in a excellent way. That's refereeing.
In UEFA this would be assessed with an extremely low mark.
Also unlucky situations, but he had to see something there.
I rewatched the live sequence and Beath actually had zero chance to assess the handling, was on his blind side whatever position he stood. Only AR Ashley Beecham theoretically had any chance to see it, and in a crowd, he had no chance.
DeleteSo of the three interventions, only the one at the very end really counts against the Australian trio IMO.
Clear DOGSO !
DeleteIn such a situation, after the tackle the direction of the ball, which goes straight to the goal line, may help the referee to assess the defender didn't play the ball and the latter was the last defender (apart of the goal keeper)
A top referee may never hesitate when he is following such an action. Frankly speaking, he shoul already have his red card in his mind (hand)when the defender is stopping this promosing attack.
Indeed, in UEFA propably this was your last match of the season.
I've rewatched the clip above, and Havertz touches the ball before the tackle, and the touch is so heavy that the ball is going straight to the goalkeeper, much too far away from Havertz to have any chance at playing it again. There isn't a potential goalscoring opportunity there. YC would have been more appropriate.
DeleteAnd that interpretation is seeing the goalkeeper standing as he is. If Havertz does get past the tackle or the tackle doesn't happen, the goalkeeper would have rushed out and closed the space quickly, meaning Havertz would have even less chance to play the ball.
DeleteI agree with Law 5 Commenter. At least there should be doubts about a DOGSO because of the heavy touch. Maybe it looks like clear DOGSO (last man..) but we should use the law of the game and I'm not convinced Havertz gets there first after that touch. VARint wrong IMO.
DeleteA Football Association investigation into its referees’ department has heard allegations that the most powerful man in English refereeing, David Elleray, bullied staff at the governing body and made inappropriate remarks – disclosures which may force the probe to widen its remit.
ReplyDeleteTelegraph Sport has learned that some startling allegations about the culture of the FA’s referees’ department over which Elleray presided for more than a decade have been made to the law firm instructed by the FA to carry out the investigation. The FA has confirmed for the first time that Elleray will step down this summer, having been the dominant figure in the department for a period understood to stretch back as far as 2005 when he was first elected to the role.
A woman who worked in a senior position at the FA in the referees’ department for many years has told Telegraph Sport on condition of anonymity that she was referred to by Elleray as “the old bag”. When she protested he later called her “the OB”. That woman later left the FA and took it to an employment tribunal on a separate matter.
Another former referee’s department employee who suffered from a genetic eye disorder that required six months away from work, and who is now classified as legally blind, alleges Elleray made light of his condition. Under the proviso of anonymity, the individual told Telegraph Sport that he returned to work in the early part of 2012 to encounter Elleray at his desk in the FA’s Wembley office. The former employee alleged that Elleray made a remark along the lines of: “I would like to say it’s nice to see you, but you can’t”.
At a subsequent Christmas party that same employee was later given a pair of joke shop glasses with eyes on springs as part of a secret Santa gifting game. He later learned that was done by a FA colleague, not Elleray.
The investigation is being undertaken on an independent basis by the solicitor Leigh Barnett of the legal firm Parker Bullen, instructed by the FA. In both cases the individuals in question have told Barnett about these incidents in interviews conducted as part of her investigation.
Barnett’s original remit was to examine the FA’s response to Elleray’s comment to a black referee coach, Rob McCarthy, at St George’s Park in 2014. Elleray has never denied that, in a crowded room, he said to McCarthy words to the effect of “You look rather tanned, have you been down a coal mine?”.
Last year a whistle-blower told the FA chief executive Mark Bullingham that he made an official complaint about the remark at the time that was never acted upon. That complaint should have triggered an investigation of the kind taking place now. Instead, the incident was handled by the FA’s human resources department. Elleray was treated as an FA employee – which he is not – and directed to undertake a diversity training course. Elleray subsequently apologised to McCarthy who has since left the FA.
A third former FA employee, the referees’ coach Martin Cassidy, has waived his anonymity to give details of his own dealings with Elleray that ended in another employment tribunal. In 2013 Cassidy, who now runs a charity, Ref Support UK, helping officials independent of the game’s authorities, was called to a meeting to discuss the reorganisation of coaches. Elleray and his then de facto deputy Neale Barry, formerly head of senior referee development at the FA, raised in the meeting the question of whether the serious illness Cassidy’s wife was battling at the time would affect his capacity to work.
Cassidy was subsequently made redundant and took the FA to an employment tribunal. Once the FA’s legal representatives accepted that the question had been asked, they then required Cassidy to prove that his wife had been ill by providing her medical reports. In a statement to Telegraph Sport, Cassidy said: “I was a diligent and hard-working employee of the FA, I didn’t deserve to be treated that way.”
Very unfortunate to learn, but life imitates art, almost: one of the funniest channels on YouTube is Paddy Power at https://www.youtube.com/c/paddypower (I always laugh hysterically at their fan denial videos), and they have very farcical videos of a VAR team (one accuses them of making a Tik Tok dance video during a match). I recently wondered in a comment if Premiere League referee training isn't at the same standard as other referee training after wathing some inexplicable VAR mistakes in the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmWnct2ITQw, and the unprofessional culture described above leads some credence to that view, though the work culture and referee training aren't necessarily related, the poor form in the former could lead to porm form in the latter.
DeleteSaw a very excellent refereeing from Ricardo De Burgos, with all KMI spotted by the referee and there was a lot of KMI 3 penalties of 2 being hand ball offense very difficult to spot but he spotted all excellently, with a straight red card and 7 goals scored. Although he lacks personality he is indeed coming into himself. On the back of that performance I could say his recent promotion is/was deserved.
ReplyDeleteThe VAR incidents in Beath's match could be a good segway to discussing how VAR has changed not the game but the refereeing. 1. Are referees more likely to not make a potenentially controversial call now, thinking that VAR would catch any mistakes, anyway? 2. Do OFRs change one's perception of a foul? Does seeing a play in slow motion always help, or can it sometimes hinder one's perception of a foul, perhaps magnifying smaller, say, contact in the penalty box that doesn't appear significant during the course of play? 3. It seems that many calls are reversed after OFRs, so does just having a VAR decision put a pressure on a referee to reverse a call, as one may think, "Oh, my peer in the VAR room thinks that there was a potential foul there or something I may have missed." Does that not plant the seed of doubt in a referee's mind that he or she did in fact miss something, a seed which makes it more likely that a call is reversed? Perhaps Beath thought the same as me in the course of live play and that Havertz's touch in the end was too heavy and he had no chance to score, so no DOGSO. But when the VAR room tells him that there is something to look at, then Beath may start to second guess his call, making it more likely to reverse it. I'm not thinking about right vs. wrongs calls here but more want to look at the psychologoy or sociology of refereeing in terms of VAR and how it has possibly changed the mindset of referees.
ReplyDelete1) There isn't an answer that is valid for all referees, of course there are some of them who indeed do what you wrote, being more influenced by VAR and waiting for it. This should be avoided, decisions must be always taken before on the pitch. This was not the case of Beath, though, in my opinion because he simply didn't see what had happened and in almost a case it was impossible. But we could also add that it is possible to improve positioning, try to see what is difficult to see, then we can still say something to referee. There are different nuances of "trying to see" on the pitch, with all skills and efforts.
Delete2) For sure going to rewatch an incident can give a different perception of it to a referee, because the VAR shows an isolated action, apart from the slow motion, in most of cases referee sees for the first time in a very deep way the case that has occurred. For this reason a VAR should show the incident without slow motion, but as it happened. However, the fact that it is taken from the rest of the game can make it different under the eyes of referee, indeed.
3) This is a big point, I already wrote about that, I don't like when referees think about VAR as something that force them to change the decision, and indeed this can create some mental processes. A referee must go to the video, always with the idea of watching the incident in the most neutral possible way, without being influenced by VAR and what he is saying, because his opinion must com first of all. That's why I was quite impressed in a negative way by the audio of Roldan OFRs in Ecuador - Brazil. In my opinion VAR must have a different role.
VAR calls, referee goes to see and then he makes his assessment, having the chance to rewatch what he had missed before on the pitch. But mostly it is a question of character, all referees have different reactions, some of them don't have problems in changing decisions after having watched and noticed that they agree with VAR, others change decision in all cases without thinking (and that's the worst thing) and there are also referees that would never change original decision, but I must say this is becoming very rare. Referees must accept it.
Good analyses, Chefren!
DeleteSmall note from the final - full sequence from the caution to a Palmeiras player for unsporting behaviour before the Chelsea penalty was struck, not really shown by the television images.
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