Wednesday, 26 October 2022

Champions League 2022/23 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 5 (II)

Second set of referee appointments for 2022-23 UEFA Champions League Group Stage Matchday 5.


26 October 2022

18:45 CET - Bruges (Jan Breydelstadion)
Club Brugge (BEL) - Porto (POR)  | Group B
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG) 
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Peter Bennett (ENG)
Fourth Official: Andrew Madley (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Pascal Pierre Garibian (FRA) 
UEFA Delegate: Claude Kremer (LUX) 

18:45 CET - Milan (Stadio Giuseppe Meazza) 
FC Internazionale (ITA) - Viktoria Plzeň (CZE)  | Group C
Referee: Andreas Ekberg (SWE) 
Assistant Referee 1: Mehmet Culum (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Niklas Nyberg (SWE)
Fourth Official: Fredrik Klitte (SWE)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Darko Čeferin (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Paul Tompkins (ENG)

21:00 CET - Naples (Stadio Diego Armando Maradona)
SSC Napoli (ITA) - Rangers (SCO)  | Group A
Referee: Halil Umut Meler (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Mustafa Emre Eysoy (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Cevdet Komurcuoglu (TUR)
Fourth Official: Arda Kardeşler (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Abdulkadir Bitigen (TUR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Terje Hauge (NOR) 
UEFA Delegate: Rudolf Repka (CZE)

21:00 CET - Amsterdam (Johan Cruijff ArenA)
Ajax (NED) - Liverpool (ENG)  | Group A
Referee: José María Sánchez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Raúl Cabañero (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Iñigo Prieto (ESP)
Fourth Official: César Soto Grado (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Fedayi San (SUI)
UEFA Referee Observer: Costas Kapitanis (CYP) 
UEFA Delegate: Tormod Larsen (NOR)

21:00 CET - Madrid (Estadio Metropolitano) 
Atlético Madrid (ESP) - Bayer Leverkusen (GER)  | Group B
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA) 
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA) 
Fourth Official: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Tomasz Mikulski (POL) 
UEFA Delegate: Iain Blair (SCO)

21:00 CET - Barcelona (Camp Nou)
Barcelona (ESP) - Bayern München (GER)  | Group C
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG) 
Fourth Official: Robert Jones (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: David Coote (ENG) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Stefan Messner (AUT) 
UEFA Delegate: Edgars Pukinsks (LVA)

21:00 CET - London (Tottenham Hotspur Stadium) 
Tottenham (ENG) -  Sporting CP (POR)  | Group D
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED) 
Fourth Official: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol vanBoekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Itchko Lozev (BUL)
UEFA Delegate: David McDowell (SVN) 

21:00 CET - Frankfurt Am Main (Frankfurt Stadion)
Eintracht Frankfurt (GER) - Olympique de Marseille (FRA)  | Group D
Referee: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Diego Barbero (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Ángel Nevado (ESP)
Fourth Official: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Mike Riley (ENG)
UEFA Delegate: Artur Azaryan (ARM)
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96 comments:

  1. Fortify 24 October 2022 at 09:29

    Ali Palabiyik 2 straight RC last night for Galatasaray. The first one for DOGSO (IMO wrong) brought a lot of protest from Galatasaray side. At the end of the match we can see the atmosphere of the fans with their reactions against referee team.
    31' RC DOGSO https://streamable.com/vp2mf0
    90'+4 RC SFP https://streamable.com/2h4317
    End of the match https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/ybukhd/galatasaray_fans_reaction_to_the_referees_after/

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    1. Cassius24 October 2022 at 10:30

      I would say that a YC would be more sensible but I see arguments for DOGSO there, so no real mistake and certainly not a clear one.
      Second RC is mandatory and well spotted, well done!

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  2. RikB24 October 2022 at 10:17

    Tottenham - Sporting:
    Referee: Makkelie
    AR: Steegstra, De Vries
    4th: Kamphuis
    VAR: Van Boekel
    AVAR: Higler

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  3. RikB24 October 2022 at 10:17

    I think we can expect Lindhout in ECL tomorrow. He had FIFA-AR's this weekend and he's not appointed with Makkelie.

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  4. Anonymous24 October 2022 at 10:23

    Atletico Madrid-Leverkusen could be a very challenging intense match to secure the 3rd place; Porto has everything in its own hands against Brugges, however this is another confirmation that Turpin is "hidden" / away from the spotlight, especially compared to Taylor, Makkelie and Marciniak.

    And one more question: does anyone know why Brisard just works with Turpin and Turpin only - unlike other World Cup VAR's (Dankert/Fritz/Irrati/Valeri/vanBoekel/Millot/Martins/Kwiatkowski etc.), who also work with foreign referees?

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    1. Philipp S24 October 2022 at 10:54

      Interesting observation regarding Brisard. Maybe his English is not good enough? But he hasn't even worked with other French referees in CL, which is indeed strange.

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  5. Philipp S24 October 2022 at 10:52

    Sanchez with a pretty good match, although its importance can be discussed (Must-win for Ajax, but even in case it remains in Liverpool's hands).
    Surprisingly an Elite referee in Napoli.
    Oliver in Brugge seems too much for me, given that the home team already qualified.
    Big name for Atletico makes sense due to the group situation. So I don't think, it's a case of "hiding" Turpin.
    Good appointment for Ekberg, although the game could be meaningless in hindsight, if Bayern wins. But the more normal choice would be swapping him with Meler.
    Taylor was expectable for Barcelonas's last chance.
    Same for Makkelie in London.
    Gil Manzano might look strange given Sanchez in the first leg and two Spaniards on MD4. However still understandable due to lack of options for the referees and the group. And Frankfurt have him in good memory from the EL SF.

    On the VAR side, first CL game of the season for Bitigen and English VARs seem to have regained some trust. Rest quite normal - however with Martinez now doing 3 of 5 Frankfurt games.

    Not many big names left for MD6 (and mostly those with some doubtful performances in this season), so double appointments next week are probably unavoidable. Unless nearly everything gets decided this week (which is possible - if I see it correctly, only in groups B and E decisive games for promotion are guaranteed).

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    1. Anonymous24 October 2022 at 11:18

      Imho the games of Turpin and also Orsato have been less sensitive (high profile) than for instance the assignments of Marciniak, Taylor and Makkelie. In terms of how many media attention it can arouse.

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    2. MARIO24 October 2022 at 11:39

      to me undeserved match for Sanchez Martinez. It's a big clash, important for the 2nd place and it would have been asked for a more reliable and performant referee. No surprise from Napoli, Glasgow, honestly speaking Meler is not an elite, come on.... I'm still convinced that the real elite are only Soares Dias, Mateu, Del Cerro, Turpin, Taylor, Oliver, Makkelie, Marciniak, Orsato, Siebert, Zwayer, Vincic, Jovanovic and Kovacs.
      One question to all of you: is it confirmed the retirement from the FIFA list of Mateu, Del Cerro, Orsato and Hategan at the end of 2022 ?

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  6. Chefren24 October 2022 at 11:55

    The appointment of Umut Meler explains us that under the eyes of committee he has still to make experience, before being considered a full Elite, given the quick promotion (my opinion). One could answer that this assignment is to get a further game after the absence and indeed basically it is, but the game is very poor. Europa League would have been better in terms of challenge, but of course there are clear motivations for getting a CL game than a EL game based on the ranking and categories...
    About the rest, almost all expected big names, good to see at least a Category 1 in Milan, Ekberg has a huge experience and now he is back in a good form. We can consider him very close to Elite if not an Elite. But, as further argument, I could say that the game in Milan would have been better for Umut Meler: committee didn't want to do that. We can reflect on this, Ekberg in Naples would have been more logical according to the categories they belong. So this is another confirmation about what I said before.
    Sanchez Martinez is another quite surprising choice, but well, I think he can handle that game. The one for Gil Manzano seems to be more challenging on paper, because there isn't a big difference of level between the two clubs, at least on paper.
    Finally, a remark about the group involving Atlético: all big names, and that's mostly because of the Spanish presence. It would have been a different appointment if not Atlético at home in that position, and I think also different appointment in Brugge, in that case.

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  7. M24 October 2022 at 18:44

    OT:

    What is it with VAR,penalty and no YC's given this week in Serie A?

    Now we have Maresca's case in Cremonense-Sampdoria match.

    Clear penalty ,clear stamp in opening minutes,gets called by VAR ,issues PK but no booking at all,only one booking for some other player but for protesting the call.

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    1. Chefren24 October 2022 at 21:38

      It's very particular what has happened in this round, indeed very clear YC missed by Maresca for step on foot, one can't believe that after yesterday's many comments about Valeri.
      BTW it is reported the latter will be suspend for a game by Rocchi and he will not see serie A as main referee before the World Cup break. The mistake has been unbelievable, with VAR responsible for having missed the nature of foul's aspect, focusing only on penalty to be called.

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  8. HH24 October 2022 at 19:42

    @chefren why does the committee not trust umut meler for the big games in the champions league and when could umut meler referee big games in the champions league, what is your prognosis, he has already refereed a knockout game

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    1. Chefren24 October 2022 at 21:35

      In my opinion it is a question of development, I think that this management by committee is showing us that they are aware the referee reached the Elite Category a bit too early than the expected time and, most important, than many other experienced referees. So at moment they are giving him this kind of games, and in future he could get more. It will depend on the performance, let's say that so far it is OK. A real development for him can start from the next group stage, if you ask me, trying to impress committee in some Europa League KO matches on early 2023 months.

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  9. Nando26 October 2022 at 05:54

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    1. adrienref26 October 2022 at 14:22

      That is for sure a disgraceful message and you should be suspended as well.

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  10. Chefren26 October 2022 at 19:52

    In my opinion clear violent conduct in penalty area in Oliver's game a few minutes after second half's kick off, Kavanagh called to OFR but Oliver issued onlyYC.
    In first half there had been another possible red card, for SFP, but yellow card was OK in that case.

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    1. Smigol26 October 2022 at 20:33

      agree with you Chefren. RC should have been shown. You can not consider that action as an unsporting behaviour. Big mistake made by Oliver. Clear VC.

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    2. Arbitro Euro26 October 2022 at 20:46

      Of course. Terrible Oliver, Terrible Terrible Turpin, Terrible Siebert, Terrible Soares Dias…. bravo if same choice is made by Marcianiak, Makkelie, Taylor.

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    3. Smigol26 October 2022 at 21:04

      I wouldn´t say terrible, I would say just not correct.

      Simon Marciniak was not fully right neither in the last two games. He missed two SFP (no VAR interventions).
      Antony Taylor, the same... two VAR intervention in POR-LEV.
      Danny Makkelie, had two intervention in ENG-GER (two crystal clear penalties).

      Have they been terrible?. It depends of your angle of vision. From mine, definetely not.

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    4. Arbitro Euro26 October 2022 at 21:08

      For sure there is people who like some referees to fail and the same people have love for other referees. That is not fair

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  11. M26 October 2022 at 19:53

    Strange penalty in Brugge..

    Corner was taken,ball was far away from 16 m box,2 players tangle and Porto player on purpose tackles Brugge players.

    Var check,penalty given and YC.

    Maybe RC missed???

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  12. Chefren26 October 2022 at 19:55

    Observers for MD6 have been already appointed, this means that committee has already made their choices. This doesn't exclude that there could be again referees from this week, but most of them will be different names.
    Two remarkable assignments with committee members: Kuipers in Bayern - Inter and Sajn in Copenhagen - Borussia Dortmund.

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    1. Alfie4626 October 2022 at 20:49

      Can you provide the list of observers please Chefren?

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    2. Euro Soccer Ref26 October 2022 at 21:04

      Porto - Atlético: Michael Thomas Ross (NIR)
      Leverkusen - Brugge: Sokol Jareci (ALB)
      Liverpool - Napoli: Kyros Vassaras (GRE)
      Rangers - Ajax: Neale Barry (ENG)
      Bayern - Inter: Björn Kuipers (NED)
      Plzeň - Barcelona: Matteo Simone Trefoloni (ITA)
      Sporting CP - Frankfurt: Jon Eilif Skjervold (NOR)
      Marseille - Tottenham: Martin Ingversson (SWE)
      ---
      Real Madrid - Celtic: Vlado Svilokos (CRO)
      Shakhtar Donetsk - Leipzig: David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
      Chelsea - Dinamo Zagreb: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
      Milan - Salzburg: Dejan Filipović (SRB)
      Man City - Sevilla: Nuno Castro (POR)
      Copenhagen - Dortmund: Vladimir Šajn (SVN)
      Juventus - Paris: Emil Božinovski (MKD)
      M. Haifa - Benfica: Bernardino González Vázquez (ESP)

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    3. Alfie4626 October 2022 at 21:07

      Thanks very much

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  13. Chefren26 October 2022 at 20:00

    https://streamja.com/WzlEr
    The situation from Oliver game.
    To me, if you decide this is punishable, must be only intentional, otherwise no foul in such situation. YC looks like a weird middle way.

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    1. Arbitro Euro26 October 2022 at 20:49

      Penalty correct and I like YC. Also force needed, this not much force

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    2. Dukat19226 October 2022 at 23:26

      I agree with Chefren here, VC.

      I understand your opinion, Arbitro Euro. Yes, there is a need for excessive force or brutality in order for something to be VC. However, it seems like a practical question about what exactly is excessive force or brutality in such a situation. If you kick someone intentionally, without challenging for the ball, I think any force used is "excessive", in the meaning that there is no need for such force otherwise than hurting the opponent. And that doesn't belong to any sport, IMO, but rather to my everyday job, which is everything besides fair and sportsmanlike. Of course, I can be fully wrong, I'm just trying to explain my reasoning here.

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    3. Arbitro Euro26 October 2022 at 23:47

      I understand your comments. But I agree with mine :)

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    4. Shearer27 October 2022 at 08:19

      IMO Clear PK and clear YC. Of course, very often we have our own opinion on incidents, but if an incident may be placed within the LotG, than it should be easy.

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  14. Unknown26 October 2022 at 20:03

    IMO opinion a wrong OFR and wrong penalty in Bruges. The Bruges player - deliberately or undeliberately - lands on the defender’s foot first, and after that, as a reaction, the defender makes the tripping movement. As in Uefa every step on foot is deemed a foul, it should have been a defensive free kick. Furthermore, but I’m not sure, it seems the most clear footage of the initial step on foot was not shown to Oliver.

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    1. Smigol26 October 2022 at 20:51

      Even if you consider the step on foot as punishable the referee must go to the screen to check the action for a potencial penalty. Then, referee will take the final decision. (PK or DFK). It happened yesterday in the game SEV-COP (push and handball).

      In addition, this situation is a missed incident (Ref or any official aren´t in control), in that case VAR protocol allows to the VAR official to be "more flexible" with the line of intervention. Fully correct intervention and final decision (wrong disciplinary - it had to be RC for violent conduct).

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    2. Unknown26 October 2022 at 21:01

      Yes I agree, you’re probably right with regard to the OFR.
      But you’re final conclusion I disagree. Why punishing the reaction to the step on foot and leave the cause of the reaction unpunished? Especially when Uefa usually tends to punish each and every step on foot…

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    3. Smigol26 October 2022 at 21:11

      Your opinon is absolutely right if you consider the step on foot committed by the attacker as an punishable offence. In that case, DFK for stepping and RC for VC.

      In my opinion is not and offence, is just and accident, but it´s just my opinion ;).

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    4. Arbitro Euro26 October 2022 at 21:44

      The AR should locate the full situation. He is looking direct at situations

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    5. Dukat19226 October 2022 at 23:39

      Well, I tend to agree with Smigol (I've already agreed with Chefren in the previous post). This step really seems like an accident, nothing punishable for me. Then again, we definitely should punish such a reaction IMO. Let's imagine an everyday situation: someone bumps into you or steps on your foot in, e.g., a bar. You react by kicking him intentionally. When the police arrive, you are definitely going to be taken in and, eventually, punished in a court of law. Whether the other person is going to be punished depends on the nature of the bump or step (as confirmed by witnesses). I would use the same reasoning here: if you react in a retaliatory manner by intentionally kicking your opponent, you have to be punished, IMO.

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  15. Corner_426 October 2022 at 20:22

    Can someone tell me where VAR is located in UCL? Are they at the stadium or located in a central room somewhere in Europe (like in national leagues)?
    Wondering that because some VAR's have appointments two days in a row...

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    1. Chefren26 October 2022 at 20:31

      All VARs for Champions League games work in a VAR room operating in Nyon, Switzerland.
      https://www.uefa.com/returntoplay/news/0271-1424d1334220-f33731618d1e-1000--uefa-s-var-remote-centre/

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    2. Corner_426 October 2022 at 22:24

      Thanks

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  16. Ref_170726 October 2022 at 21:47

    IMO excellent intervention by Attwell. Lewandowski was initiating the contact, trying to get the penalty.

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    1. Dondi26 October 2022 at 21:47

      +1

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    2. Smigol26 October 2022 at 21:49

      Clear intervention. Defender plays the ball firstly.

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    3. Smigol26 October 2022 at 21:52

      https://streamable.com/vw1epm

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    4. Dukat19226 October 2022 at 21:54

      Brilliant intervention, I would say. The contact is clear, but the question here is who caused it, and that is clearly Lewandowski (just look at his right leg stretching out into De Ligt's path, trying to cause a contact and win a penalty). I would even argue it was Lewandowski fouling De Ligt here. Absolutely beautiful intervention from Attwell IMO (and finally, if I can say so).

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    5. Ref_170726 October 2022 at 22:02

      @Dukat192, from what I have seen, Attwell had some very good matches in the last weeks. Seems like he is „back“.

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    6. Chefren26 October 2022 at 22:09

      Absolutely great intervention for me as well. However I must say that some people could disagree with this OFR, because they just see the contact thinking that attacker is allowed to put his leg there. This is the "typical" Italian mentality that every contact must be a penalty, no matter how it was caused. I'm reading some opinions about that.

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    7. Dukat19226 October 2022 at 22:11

      Judging by the recent streak of VAR appointments for him, it seems so (if my record is correct). I also watched him in Chelsea - Man Utd last Saturday and he was good IMO (correct penalty for Chelsea IMO, very clumsy holding by McTominay). I can only say: "Welcome back, Stuart."

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    8. Arbitro Euro26 October 2022 at 22:12

      I Am not sure. For me penalty is OK. Thank yes for referee is not some special ones, or this would be terrible mistake :)

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    9. Smigol26 October 2022 at 22:24

      ... it´s indeed :D

      Difficult to spot on in live, but a clear mistake in slow motion. That´s the modern football / refereeing.

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  17. Ref_170726 October 2022 at 22:56

    WOW, OFR after the match, penalty whistled.

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    1. Ref_170726 October 2022 at 23:01

      Incredible scenes in Leverkusen. Turpin stopped the match too early as there was a VAR check going on after a handball in the penalty area. OFR led to the correct handball penalty. Penalty was missed, then it seemed like Turpin ended the match again but it was only a signal that VAR would check the penalty. Goalkeeper was still on the line with one foot, so Turpin could end the match. Wow!

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    2. Ref_170726 October 2022 at 23:01

      Sorry, of course it was in Madrid.

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    3. Euro Soccer Ref26 October 2022 at 23:08

      I think he ended the game when it was appropriate. I don't like the idea of allowing play to continue without a reason just to allow a potential OFR before final whistle. Just end the game when it's time for this and let everybody know the VAR is checking the incident. Absolutely correct procedure by Turpin, imo.

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  18. M26 October 2022 at 23:00

    What an ending in Madrid,shocker!

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  19. pirri26 October 2022 at 23:03

    Wow what a end in Madrid and London. Well clear penalty IMO in Madrid, but was that really offside in London?

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  20. Euro Soccer Ref26 October 2022 at 23:04

    Wow, what a dramatic game in Madrid! I'm so happy I chose this one to watch in full. Turpin allowed very physical play and was lenient as we know him lately. This laid-back approach contributed to a great spectacle though. Of course, correct OFR and PK after the final whistle.

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  21. Al26 October 2022 at 23:08

    How on earth is that offside in Tottenham? The line is drawn from the left side of Emerson's body? Where is the automated offside technology? The decision took 5 minutes and doesn't even look correct.

    https://dubz.co/v/am1n6r

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    1. Smigol26 October 2022 at 23:38

      https://streamable.com/

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    2. Unknown26 October 2022 at 23:47

      Why is the line drawn on the attacker instead of on the ball? The ball isn’t even visible in the graphic. And without the lines all of us can only guess about on- or offside.

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  22. Smigol26 October 2022 at 23:14

    very poor management by Turpin.

    PK - OFR
    https://streamable.com/brsrp8

    The PK had to be retaken.
    https://streamable.com/tvzg21

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    1. Bradley Adams26 October 2022 at 23:20

      what would the retake be for?

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    2. M26 October 2022 at 23:22

      All players were in the box way too early but retaking would cause another mass controversy.

      Maybe someone braver would have done that.

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    3. Smigol26 October 2022 at 23:38

      Agree, It would have been a big mess. But technically, the PK should have been retaken and VAR intervention expected. ;)

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    4. Philipp S26 October 2022 at 23:39

      As the Atletico player got the rebound and no defender was getting an advantage from being in the box too early, it's at least correct by VAR not to intervene.

      Different question: Was it correct to allow the rebound? I mean, the penalty was given after the final whistle, so shouldn't the game have ended with the save by the keeper?

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    5. Fortify 26 October 2022 at 23:59

      With the LoTG you're right
      Additional time is allowed for a penalty kick to be taken and completed at the end of each half of the match or extra time. When additional time is allowed, the penalty kick is completed when, after the kick has been taken, the ball stops moving, goes out of play, is played by any player (including the kicker) other than the defending goalkeeper, or the referee stops play for an offence by the kicker or the kicker’s team. If a defending team player (including the goalkeeper) commits an offence and the penalty is missed/saved, the penalty is retaken.

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    6. Smigol27 October 2022 at 00:05

      I disagree with you, Philipp. According with the VAR protocol and TLOG, the penalty had to be retaken (players of each team entered in the PA before the kick, and one of them is involved in the action directly after the save by the GK). Another thing is the "common sense" ;).

      Your second question is a quite interesting one.

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    7. Bradley Adams27 October 2022 at 01:12

      My understanding of the law is that encroachment isn't an offence unless the player becomes involved in the play. One Atletico and one Leverkusen player encroach the D but only the Atletico player (and indeed subsequently, no Leverkusen player at all) touches the ball, indirect free-kick to Leverkusen would be correct.

      Or in this case full-time given the circumstances

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    8. JR27 October 2022 at 11:24

      We have to discuss two things, as Philipp already mentioned:
      But before that, is the penalty the right decision? I think playing on is here the only right decision, from what I have seen.

      So:
      1. If we are in normal time, Smigol is right.
      2. As even the second touch of a striker of Madrid is a violation against the rules, there can't be an influence. So by law, the penalty is not allowed to be retaken in this case, as the time was already legally over, and the match had to be finished legally. If Madrid would have scored, that would have been, clearly, even a reason to reassign the whole match.

      I am glad for Turpin, that he had this luck. But I would like to know if the committee and his observer is aware of that.

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    9. Philipp S27 October 2022 at 11:48

      I think, the hand of the first defender is an unnatural position, increasing the body surface and even moving in the path of the ball. So a very clear penalty by current interpretation once you are sure about the hand contact itself.

      I still think, the major mistake here is allowing the rebound - unless the rules about that are different than what I believe.

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    10. JR27 October 2022 at 15:46

      I rewatched it and you are right! I missef the first handball, so penalty after OFR is right.

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  23. mancrat26 October 2022 at 23:14

    What do you think about Kane offside. It kinda seems on

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    1. bmb26 October 2022 at 23:52

      He's offside. MM in it but a correct call. Impossible for Danny or Hessel to see in real time. Another masterclass from Danny and his team in my humble opinion. Jan made a couple of excellent calls in the first half as well. Disallowed goal for scoring with hand. Well done Danny & team. Observer will be very happy with that performance

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  24. Smigol26 October 2022 at 23:17

    have it been shown the image of the new offside technology? or just the "human" imagen?

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    1. Philipp S26 October 2022 at 23:41

      I am also wondering, why offside decisions are not really quicker in the Champions League now.
      And especially in this scene, you would expect a well-working technology to bring a quick solution and good graphics to prove it.

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    2. Dukat19226 October 2022 at 23:45

      I am watching a replay on Croatian TV right now and it seems they used the "old" lines to decide whether offside or not. Was the SAOT even working in that match? I've watched Barcelona - Bayern live and it worked perfectly fine there.

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  25. Smigol26 October 2022 at 23:29

    Honestly, with the Goal Line Camera looks like offside, but really really tight. It would have been more reliable to use this camera instead of the 16.5 camera to sell the final decision.

    https://streamable.com/sxw3ce

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    1. Dukat19226 October 2022 at 23:42

      From this angle, it looks like offside, although really tight, but still offside. Or am I missing something?

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  26. Arbitro Euro26 October 2022 at 23:45

    Big problems today. No problems for Italians so it’s problem none :)

    Makkelie - Correct fact decision but scandal

    Turpin - Unbelievable new situation in UEFA

    Oliver - OFR for penalty

    Taylor - Two corrections for team. Again.

    Good for all different matches

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    1. Arbitro Euro27 October 2022 at 00:38

      To media. I said correct. We know UEFA (Rosetti) want easy time

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    2. Anonymous27 October 2022 at 07:40

      So, we are at the point that factual decisions are called a "scandal" by coaches and media? My mind is blown.

      The bigger scandal is that 1) SAOT was not in operation to sell the decision, and 2) that player's still don't know the rules. Nothing a referee team can do about that.

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  27. Smigol26 October 2022 at 23:48

    What about the position of num.7 ATM in the PK?... Turpin must not allow that.

    https://streamable.com/gl9kpv

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    1. Fortify 27 October 2022 at 00:01

      For sure they didn't notice the player standing there. End of the match after an OFR and not the best concentration i think

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    2. Philipp S27 October 2022 at 00:02

      True. Clear lack of awareness.

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  28. Philipp S27 October 2022 at 00:09

    Some early predictions for MD6 (VAR in brackets):
    Rangers - Ajax: Siebert (Fritz)
    Liverpool - Napoli: Stieler (Dingert)
    Porto - Atletico: Vincic (Jug)
    Leverkusen - Brugge: Grinfeeld (di Bello)
    Plzen - Barcelona: Rumsas (Irrati)
    Bayern - Inter: Nyberg (Higler)
    Sporting - Frankfurt: Marciniak (Kwiatkowski)
    Marseille - Tottenham: Kovacs (Valeri)

    Chelsea - Zagreb: del Cerro Grande (Hernandez)
    Milan - Salzburg: Mateu (Martinez)
    Donetsk - Leipzig: Taylor (Attwell)
    Real - Celtic: Letexier (Delajod)
    Copenhagen - Dortmund: Treimanis (Martins)
    ManCity - Sevilla: Frankowski (van Boekel)
    Juventus - Paris: Kruzliak (Dankert)
    Haifa - Benfica: Collum (Tierney)

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    1. diego61227 October 2022 at 00:31

      I'm sure we'll see a couple of debuts.
      The names I use are Jorgji, Tohver and Lechner.
      I would be proud to see them debut.

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    2. Alfie4627 October 2022 at 09:53

      For me I think we will see the following:Some early predictions for MD6 (VAR in brackets):
      Rangers - Ajax: Siebert
      Liverpool - Napoli: Letexier
      Porto - Atletico: Vincic
      Leverkusen - Brugge: Kruzliak
      Plzen - Barcelona: Eskas
      Bayern - Inter: Kovacs
      Sporting - Frankfurt: Grinfeld
      Marseille - Tottenham: Meiler

      Chelsea - Zagreb: Letexier
      Milan - Salzburg: Mateu
      Donetsk - Leipzig: Soares Dias
      Real - Celtic: Rumsas
      Copenhagen - Dortmund: Visser
      ManCity - Sevilla: Gözübüyük 
      Juventus - Paris: Del Grande
      Haifa - Benfica: Steiler

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    3. Average Fans28 October 2022 at 05:27

      Letexier was mentioned twice... But I'd rather give him the Chelsea game

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  29. diego61227 October 2022 at 00:50

    I think most of us think that Kuipers in BAY-INT indicates a Cat.1, but I think that Rosetti will put an Elite here without much experience, specifically Umut Meler.
    It would be a great test for him, with the two teams already qualified in their respective places, and to show that he can become the "new" Çakir
    I insist, it is my opinion, I feel that Umut Meler is the most obvious choice.
    Though it wouldn't bother me at all to see either Letexier or Kruzliak for example.

    Same case in MCI-SEV and COP-DOR, I feel that these two games are presented for referees without debuting yet this season.
    Maybe the MCI-SEV will serve for a Cat.1, but the COP-DOR I am almost 100% sure that we will see a debut in Denmark.
    My predictions:
    MCI-SEV: Kruzliak
    COP-DOR: Lechner

    PLZEN-BAR presents itself for another debut, already with the 2 teams eliminated in this edition.
    If Jorgji does a good job tomorrow, the game is for him.

    This is my analysis, I would like to know your opinion @chefren

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  30. Neil27 October 2022 at 04:23

    I was at the spurs sporting match tonight and thought that Danny Makkelie had an exceptional match. He communicated brilliantly and I think he got nearly every major decision right.
    However can I ask, If a ball comes off a defender does that mean the attacker is no longer offside?

    I know I say this from a Tottenham fans perspective but I am curious as it looked like the cross for Kane's goal came off a defender before kane scored

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    1. Davidcrammond27 October 2022 at 07:44

      Unless the defender makes a genuine attempt to play the ball then no. Deflections arent classed as an attempt to play the ball

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  31. Chefren27 October 2022 at 05:48

    A short comment about the ends of the two games in London and Madrid.
    Reading the words by Conte we can understand how more and more nowadays the refereeing at high level is totally different from the past. Clubs don't want to accept decisions, they would easily violate law of the games to reach their goals. It is simply incredible that you talk about a disallowed goal with VAR as a scandal. As long as you don't have proofs (and you will not have them, of course) about what you are stating, you must accept the decisions taken. Conte feels the pressure on him, typical behavior from our well known coach. He thinks he can lose in Marseille and he is worried. All he said is simply unacceptable.
    Then, about Madrid, things like these can happen only in Atlético Madrid games.. again, the choice of a referee like Turpin was a good guess by committee. A few weeks ago we were discussing that sometimes referees are too worried concerning the form and they try to avoid a VAR call after the final whistle. Well, in this case happened and it was absolutely OK. Then, the drama for home-team.. in such moments if a referee has a lack of concentration and misses something, you can understand why,. Very, very challenging end...

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    1. Holly27 October 2022 at 08:00

      Chefren, prediction for MD6?

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    2. JR27 October 2022 at 11:31

      In terms of Turpin, you are definitely right. The committee knew that Turpin is able to handle those games. But we must criticise his lack of concentration regarding the penalty itself. UEFA can be lucky, Athletico didn't score with the second shot as it would have resulted in a protest and a, imo and in knowledge of the legal system in sport and the statues, rematch.

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  32. jleekens27 October 2022 at 14:01

    I wouldn't blame Turpin too much for whistling before the penalty check: the initial protests were very calm and he whistled immediately after it happened, so no time for VAR to communicate with him. However, he made a severe mistake by allowing the rebound and this is also why UEFA has to intervene and improve so whistling before OFR doesn't happen again, as this poses a clear disadvantage to the team impacted by the foul: Atlético were "robbed" off their opportunity of a rebound because Turpin whistled too early (the offence happened in regular time, so Atlético should be given the regular options of a PK). Either a rule change needs to be made, or there need to be better guidelines for ending a game / half - it cannot be the case that committing an offence right before the end can give your team an advantage compared to an offence 3 minutes before that (which is why this won't be a big issue for Turpin as well, as those who don't know the rules will see this as the fair way of dealing with it)

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  33. Smigol27 October 2022 at 22:32

    In fact there is a protocol at the end of the game. Referee can not blew the final whistle until the VAR confirms that they are not checking anything. In case that ball remains in play and the time is over, referee will stop the game immediately and he will put his finger to the ear and extends his arm (VAR check in progress signal). Therefore, players will know that the game is finished but VAR is still checking the last action.

    Immediately, once the referee will receive the input from the VAR about the last check, the referee will finished the game (3 whistles) or he will go to the screen for OFR.

    Turpin didn´t follow this procedure, so the consequence is a big mess at the end of the game.

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