Tuesday, 16 February 2021

Champions League 2020/21 - Referee Appointments - Round of 16 (First Leg, I)

The first set of referee appointments for 2020-21 UEFA Champions League Round of 16 - First legs. 

16.02.2021, 21:00 CET
Camp Nou, Barcelona (ESP)
FC Barcelona (ESP) - Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA)
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin E. J. Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA) 
UEFA Delegate: Thibault De Gendt (BEL)

16.02.2021, 21:00 CET
Puskás Aréna, Budapest (HUN)
RB Leipzig (GER) - Liverpool FC (ENG)
Referee: Slavko Vinčić (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaž Klančnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2:Andraž Kovačič (SVN)
Fourth Official: Matej Jug (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sándor Piller (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Rudolf Řepka (CZE)

129 comments:

  1. To me, it seems that UEFA appointed observers the wrong way around :)

    Honestly, I don't think Skomina will attend the EURO now.

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    1. Why do you think so about Skomina?

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    2. - All the noises are that his injury is quite long term.

      - Vinčić is refereeing very well at the moment. Eg, he delivered the high risk Inter - Shakhtar game (his Tuesday appointment is well-deserved).

      - UEFA President Čeferin is from Slovenia. For fans who don't follow refereeing closely (>99%), it would seem quite 'suspicious' that such a small country would have two refs at the EURO. If there will be eighteen referees at EURO 2020, I can't imagine Slovenia will have more than one.

      - I don't like Skomina's style nowadays! If you ask me, he's too passive (classic English approach - not enough in UEFA matches). On current form, IMO the performance principle clearly tips in favour of Vinčić over Skomina.

      Skomina of course is a big name, let's see what happens.

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    3. first i thought the same about observers and then i thought: who cares who the observers are :-) 8 of the 16 matches of r16 will be done by hugh dallas and roberto himself probably. if uefa stick to their policy that 65+ year old observers will not be appointed due to saftey-reasons ("risk-group"), then the number of capable and available observers is limited anyways and with restrictions of travel i hardly see any british observer appointed somewhere outside the uk. in the end the experienced readers and writers of this blog all know that only the committee will appoint the euro-candidates and that the observer marks - and that must be said clearly- are not a criteria for appointments

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    4. IMO there is no way Skomina will not attend Euro this year. The only thing that could stop him is the injury, but we don’t know how serious it really is. We must remember that this years tournament is probably the last one for Skomina and he surely wants to end his career with something to remember. We’ll see but if he rules out then it would be a huge miss for the referees environment.

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    5. What your thoughts Chefren, about Skomina’s possible absence at EURO 2020-1?

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    6. Simply said, I can't answer. I asked for info about Skomine but it seems as nothing is known. It depends on the severity of injury, for sure everything will be made for allowing him to attend the tournament, but we must wait and see when he will be back. If you ask me: will he attend tournament in case of return only after the end of KO stage? My answer would be rather yes, but still, everything is up to his physical conditions.

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    7. Skomina will attend EURO 2021, dont worry. He is now in second stage of recovery, he will start to referee again in second part of march.

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    8. When you described his style as ‘too passive’, what did you mean by that?

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  2. Both are sensible and deseved appointments.

    Kuipers with Rosetti observing seems quite weird. Perhaps a 4th final for Kuipers? :)

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  3. Based on the history of Barcelona-PSG matches UEFA probably decided for referees they trust the most. And based on previous appointments and even that movie by UEFA it is obvious that Rosetti has enormous trust in Kuipers. And Rosetti's appointment as observer is not related with Kuipers IMO but with the importance of the match (expecialy considering that Rosetti observed Kuipers only some months ago in EURO qulifieres).

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  4. This Vincic appointment is a surprise for me. I think this is one of 4 biggest R16 matches and there might have been better options. Not a big fan of his style which I think is a bit nervous. On the other hand, he did quite well in that big game Inter - Shakhtar so maybe give him a chance.

    On the observers... Could it be that Rosetti is following Kuipers closely because he is his top candidate for Euro final? Would be well deserved imo after being one of top 3 referees in the world for so long.

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  5. Well, I think that these appointments was expected, safe pair of hands for two very interesting games.

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  6. Vincic for leip-liv a very poor appointment imo! Turpin or makkelie should be the standard for this tie, vincic nowhere near experienced wnough

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    1. In my opinion he deserved to be in this game, even more after Internazionale - Shakhtar on MD6, and there should be always a beginning for some referees, to make a step ahead. Since he is Elite by a quite long time and the game is not 100% big match, I think this appointment is more than reasonable and one could have expected that.

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  7. Vincic has well deserved after Inter - Shakthar for his a great appointment between Leipzig - Liverpool. My opinion !

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  8. 1 for 2 with predictions for Tuesday (Kuipers was the one I got right–wasn't expecting Vinčič at all for RBL-LIV)

    Predictions for Wednesday and Thursday:

    Wed:
    POR-JUV: Mateu Lahoz (Martínez Munuera)
    SEV-DOR: Hategan (Martins)

    Thu:
    OLY-PSV: Oliver (Kavanagh)
    YB-B04: Marciniak (Gil)
    KRA-DZG: Dabanović (Fritz)
    BRA-ROM: Frappart (Letexier)
    SLP-LC: Brych (Dingert)
    CRV-MIL: del Cerro Grande (Munuera Montero)
    RSO-MU: Stieler (Stegemann)
    DKV-BRU: Collum (Attwell)
    WAC-TOT: Ekberg (Kamphuis)
    LIL-AJX: Massa (Guida)
    MAC-SHK: Palabiyik (Bitigen)
    GRA-NAP: Turpin (Bastien)
    MOL-HOF: Veríssimo (Pinheiro)
    SAL-VIL: Grinfeld (Reinshreiber)
    ANT-RAN: Kovács (Hernández)
    BEN-ARS: Karasev (Meshkov)

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  9. BREAKING NEWS: Alfredo Trentalange is the new AIA president, Marcello Nicchi has to retire after 12 (!) years.

    Votes:
    Alfredo Trentalange 193
    Marcello Nicchi 125

    It is possible that former FIFA referee Gianluca Rocchi will get a very important role with the new president.

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    1. Do you know how will this affect Rizzoli and his position in Serie A and B?

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    2. I can't give it for sure, but it is possible that at the end of this season he could be removed as head of serie A and B referees. However, nothing will change until the end of season, time is needed to understand the new roles.

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    3. It was about time for Nicchi to go.
      When Trentalange left his technical leading role, it became clear that he will run for AIA presidency. Good luck to him!

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    4. One curiosity,Chefren:
      who are the voters?

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    5. Mostly, all the presidents of AIA departments all over the country. AIA has 207 refereeing deparments.
      In addition to that some key people called "delegates", inside the same departments.

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  10. RC for Getafe coach again. Is it just me or does he collect one every other game?

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  11. Today's game from World Cup 2010:

    Germany - Spain, Viktor Kassai

    wc10refs.blogspot.com

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  12. Parody of DFB continues - all those red cards forgiven by VAR, but a suspension for not intervening in this penalty call...

    https://youtu.be/Lw_IaKFHG6A?t=100

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    1. Not a suspension. He was only replaced in his match the following day.
      "In the course of Saturday morning, we finally decided on this short-notice reshuffle in order to protect the person concerned after the massive public criticism.
      We have spoken to the person concerned about this reshuffle and the reasons for it. A detailed and necessary reappraisal of the situation on Friday was simply not possible in the period leading up to the match the next day and will be carried out with him in peace. There is no question of sacking or suspending him. There is also no reason for it."

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    2. I don’t understand how they can de-facto suspend him and then claim “there is no question of sacking or suspending him,” unless it was the with the official’s approval to be removed from that match. Whatever you want to call it, he lost his next match over it, that sounds like a suspension to me...

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  13. OT:

    Over the weekend big match was played in Croatia,between Dinamoa and Osijek,top candidates for League title.

    Match was handled by Ivan Bebek and I gotta say that for long I haven't seen such good performance in big matches in Croatia.

    He had full control over the match,tried tio let the game flow and had succes in doing so.

    However,he did show 8 yellow and 1 red card,we can debate 1,but other 7 were completely justified.

    He whistled totally correct penalty but was overuled beacuse of offside.At the end of the match,he had potential penalty to whistle,but correctly rejected it.

    With refereeing crisis in Croatia it is refreshing to see that Bebek is still number 1. in Croatia example to other Croatian refs.

    Penalty that was overuled:

    https://youtu.be/xATCKXHJbKI?t=219

    2nd YC or RC:

    https://youtu.be/xATCKXHJbKI?t=330

    Rejected penalty in 90+minutes:

    https://youtu.be/xATCKXHJbKI?t=361

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  14. Important penalty in Napoli-Juventus match:
    https://t.me/REF_EX/140

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  15. Good, expected level performance by Madden on Panathinaikos - Olympiakos. He controled the match really well, he allowed physical play and whistled only when it was absolutely necessary.

    1 penalty appeal by Olympiakos was correctly waived play-on (supported by VAR) and a 2YC was issued at 90+4 against Olympiakos.

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  16. I have the feeling that Kuipers is a replacement. Why? Normally the Dutch FA appoints a referee who have international duties, the weekend before in the eredivisie. Furthermore, AVAR Higler had to be replaced in his match today. So that could also be a reason why Rosetti is observing.

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    1. I'm not sure about your first argument. Kuipers was appointed for the cup clash between Heerenveen and Feyenoord on Wednesday, so that could be why he had no appointment this weekend. Also, on Thursday it was already clear that Kuipers would not be the referee for the same match, which will be played this Wednesday now, so it was definitely not a last-minute replacement.I'm not sure about your first argument. Kuipers was appointed for the cup clash between Heerenveen and Feyenoord on Wednesday, so that could be why he had no appointment this weekend. Also, on Thursday it was already clear that Kuipers would not be the referee for the same match, which will be played this Wednesday now, so it was definitely not a last-minute replacement.

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    2. And Higler had to cancel his game due to an injury. Moreover, why would Kuipers being reappointed be a reason for Higler to be replaced in today’s eredivisie game?

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  17. Vincic taking no rubbish today. 2 cautions inside 6 minutes.

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    1. But hard to understand, because there were no replays.
      One of them was for a foul, that didn't seem too bad live - but it was difficult to judge the amount and point of contact, so the YC might be justified.
      The reason for the other card was unclear, but I assume it was dissent (about the first YC). At least Vincic seemed quite angry, when issuing the caution.

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    2. Yes I agree, it must be said that the German director wasn’t showing anything against Leipzig at all lol. As for the way he administered the caution, I’m not sure whether it’s good to keep control by giving a few calm warnings first or straight in with cards.

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  18. Love the management by Kuipers in 16th or 17th minute

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  19. I’ve got one question. Why does Kuipers still have the FIFA badge when he is going to turn 48 years in a month? Wasn’t the age restriction 45? Rocco has the same age as Kuipers, but he was forced to retire last season. Can someone explain to me why? Don’t get me wrong, Kuipers is a excellent referee but I don’t understand why he is still referring when he is 47 years old.

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    1. Age limits for FIFA referees have been abolished, there isn't the 45 years-old mandatory stop anymore.

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    1. IMO correct, even if not deliberate, there was a clear contact by PSG20 that made BAR21 trip and fall. Penalty and no card is perfect!

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  21. The penalty to Barca is wrong in my opinion, or to say it better, very soft. I think in this case VAR didn't have evidence that there wasn't contact so they backed Kuipers, but it is absolutely controversial decision.

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    1. The last replay after the penalty was very clear. The PSG defender hit the trailing leg of the Barca player, which caused this trailing leg to hit the front leg of the Barca player. Right call in my view

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    2. Maybe you can post a comment after seeing all the replays and admit it was a clear contact and tripping.

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    3. Though it was controversial, perfect use of VAR here. Tiniest of contact, in my opinion not enough for a penalty, but there still IS contact, though tiny. This goes under the ‘subjective decision’ bracket and therefore a good decision by VAR to not intervene and back up Kuipers.

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  22. Uh, on first look, and probably in live, it looked like clear penalty for Barcelona, but after review I must say it was not that clear. But correct decision by Van Boekel not to intervene IMO...

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  23. Correct penalty. I only saw it in the 4th replay

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  24. Doubtful penalty by Kuipers, no clear contact visible. Looked like tripping in real speed but in the replays it looked differently...

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  25. On the camera angle from behind, you could clearly see De Jong's leg being touched by the defender

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  26. Good call by Kuipers. Clear contact
    https://ibb.co/Z2CLBVM

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    1. https://twitter.com/i/status/1361775420530708492

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  27. Very doubtful decision here...When you know history of refereeing between these two clubs, not a good choice by Kuipers, clearly no evidence of clear foul. Play on may be better choice...

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    1. Perhaps one could better study the replay of the actual foul to determine whether this is a penalty, rather than base decisions on conspiracy theories.

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    2. After seeing this replay behind the action, supportable call and good decision by Kuipers. My mistake.

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    3. I agree, after seeing that last replay, clear penalty...

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    4. Admitting your mistake is never easy, especially in these fact-free times. Respect!

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  28. Good decision by Kuipers. The first replay looked like De Jong tripped over by himself, but on the last replay it was clearly shown that Kurzawa took out De Jong’s leg and that’s why he lost the control and fell over. IMO very good decision by Kuipers and I can’t understand people who say it was wrong to give the penalty!

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  29. Vincic with 2 YC's in 5th min.
    What happened there?

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    1. A YC for reckless challenge and another to punish dissent right after the whistle, from what I saw.

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  30. Well, according to the 'UEFA Summer 2020' doctrine, Kuipers' penalty is a wrong decision. In my personal view however, it's (clearly) the right call.

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    1. Agreed, Mikael, that was the first thing I thought of. In their RAP, UEFA has always tended to be reserved with punishing this kind of tripping (one can hardly say that this was a 'careless' tripping). I'm not sure whether UEFA agrees with the penalty decision by Kuipers.
      Having seen the angle from behind, one could see a contact that caused the attacker's fall. So the decision seems supportable and there was no need to intervene. But from an UEFA point of view doubts will remain.

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  31. By the way excellent decision by AR2 Kovacic to signal that the ball was out prior Liverpool's possible 0-1. Very close decision.

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    1. Extremely tight indeed!

      In any case, Irrati was correct to support the on field call, in UEFA's "CLEAR EVIDENCE" principle.

      Very good delayed whistle by Vinčić, too.

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    2. well in this case "luck" for the var, that this incident occured somewhere around the SSL-GLT cameras. those are by far the best in quality and angle if it comes to spotting outballs on the goalline. good process in delaying the flag! imagine he would have flagged it right away before the ball was in goal. so good teamplay also to whistle first when the situation is finished! however a very risky call by ar2, dont you think? the far side of the goal, the gk and the cb plus the two goalposts in his line of vision... i wonder if this was more luck rather than skill, cause evidently there hardly any chance to spot the position of the ball...that said, the ball even is in the air so there is no line to "help" you...

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  32. Imo, very soft penalty. (Barca penalty) Both player looking to ball. Nobody has ball control,accidental contact from defender. Never penalty for me but of course no need intervention from VAR because of that contact.

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    1. Exactly my view! IMO it would have been different if attacker was in possession of the ball, but now both were still challenging for the ball.

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    2. This is always a penalty. It's the definition of a careless trip. Look at your opponent when running so you don't accidentally trip him...

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    3. I’m not sure where in your Law book you found that “definition”, but it’s not in mine.

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  33. Definitely soft, but correct penalty IMO. The contact is enough to me.

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  34. I saw now the contact, absolutely correct by VAR to support the call, however one could still discuss about it. The contact explains the call, but one can wonder how much defender was guilty of something here, rather than assessing it as accidental contact (given also the movement of attacker). Having said that, for sure good work by VAR but not 100% clear penalty for me.

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  35. Vincic was very angry in the early minutes of Lepzig - Liverpool, but very poor broadcaster, what happened was absolutely unclear.

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  36. Some of you have asked about what happened in 5th minute of RBL-LIV. Here is the answer:

    https://streamable.com/14453t

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    1. Thanks for the video.
      The YC for the foul fully justified, even borderline to SFP. Well detected.
      The YC for dissent looks harsh - or at least unexpected given the circumstances (early in the game, already another YC for the same team). But we don't know what was said, so the caution might have been necessary.

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  37. What a decision by AR1 in Barca-PSG prior to PSG 2nd goal!

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  38. Barcelona-PSG
    Very debatable handball IMO. Very unlucky because the ball goes away from the goal, but for me that handball is too far away from the body and it should have been whistled.

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  39. minute 68 is a textbook red card SFP. Liverpool.

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    1. well, you don't know UEFA!!!

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  40. Possible RC in Budapest, VAR could have intervened for SFP.

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    1. I agree about "possible". But I don't think it was clear enough for a VAR intervention. Vincic had a good view on it and such situations allow some room for interpretation IMO as most classical SFP points are not ticked.

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    2. I agree with Philipp, more YC than RC for me. White player makes an unpredictable swing with his leg as well, so more than supportable call.

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    3. Agreed, YC is the right call.

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  41. The ball comes from very short distance. Defender arm is natural position. He tries to avoid his arm. For sure Play on is right decision. ( barca handball) Never intervention

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    1. Yes, but it is not too close to the body and it makes it unnaturally bigger.

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    2. Screenshot here: https://ibb.co/nPzm37p

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    3. You should’t use screenshots while we are talking handball situations. We are not supporters. We all referees and we need to find right decisions.

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    4. I am not a supporter, I just want to emphasize that for me an arm in that position is a risk by the defender. I am 100% sure that the pk would be supported, but maybe VAR non intervention is correct because Kuipers had clear perception.

      This looked to me like "lets not ruin the game with harsh call" more than clear interpretation of LOTG. But I respect different views, obviously some of you would tolerate these handballs.

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    5. I wanted to be clear. Ofcourse you are not supporter. I just said that you shouldn’t use screenshots like supporters. Because pictures are always makes bigger confusions.

      About situation again, When the attacker kicks the ball, the defender try to close his arm to his body. Unfortunetaly he doesnt have time to do this action because of ball speed. His body is all natural.

      By the way I respect your opinion. Thanks for comment.

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  42. Very aggressive comments from anonymous users this evening.
    Last warning for all of you, we are not so far from disallowing them again. Be careful if you want to keep this opportunity.

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  43. Did Griezmann’s intervention on Mbappé quite similar to PK whistled ? Your thoughts? (78’)

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    1. Both players looking to ball again. Very small contact , accidentally . Never penalty. By the way never intervention.

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    2. Hum. So exactly the same. ^^ Thanks !

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    1. Hehe, I think UEFA won't risk it this time. But I think we could see German referee in Paris (Brych).

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    2. For me the options are Stieler, Gil Manzano and Taylor/Oliver

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    3. Obviously no Manzano, I forgot for a moment the teams

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    4. We have also Leipzig-Liverpool with a 2-0 lead for the favourite, so a similar question, whether a top referee is needed for the second leg. Especially compared to Paris-Barca, it is difficult to say, which match will be harder to referee.
      My prediction at this point would be
      LIV-RBL: Grinfeeld
      PSG-BAR: Cakir
      - but there are also arguments to do it the other way around.

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    5. Uefa can't risk anything in paris; do you remember what happened with Aytekin ? It was supposed that the 1st had already decided the relegation and than we all remember which kind of battle it was. And Aytekin lost the train.... I guess Brych will fit the match

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  45. Excellent Björn Kuipers tonight. Definitely the best manager in Europe. Every crucial decision are correct in my eyes : PK for Barcelona correct, absolutely no handball from Kean (I don’t even understand how this can be discussed).

    I’m curious to see the appointment for the second leg. The score seems to be made, but given what happened 4 years ago...

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  46. I must say, I have been very impressed by Slavko Vinčić tonight! Perfect verbal warning in 2', correct decision to open the cards in 5' (reckless tackle + PERFECT caution for dissent). I can't imagine such a YC given at a FIFA tournament these days, so very refreshing to see this card here! Disciplinary control was consistent throughout the entire game.

    I hope Vinčić gets a CL quarterfinal this season, it would be in line with performance principle if you ask me!

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    1. Totally agree. He's in top form at the moment and deserves to be appointed again to CL QF!

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    2. Bad news for Skomina in Euro 2020 perspective :-)
      Since they need at least 18 referees I would not exclude to have two Slovenians;
      due to the fact that Mateu, Del Cerro, Turpin, Taylor, Oliver, Brych, Orsato, Hategan, Cakir, Marciniak, Makkelie, Kuipers are sure, the remaining 6 could be: Frappart, Soares Dias, Skomina, Zwayer and why not Vincic and Grenfeeld

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  47. In your view gentleman's, who is top candidate for Cl and El final.

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    1. It is too soon to say anything now given that a bad performance can get someone out but my opinion for now...

      For CL I see only Mateu and Makkelie as real options for now. Turpin and maybe Taylor as outsiders. Mateu cause he should have had it last year, but didnt get it cause hes not italian... Orsato did do an ok job last year, but did only get the final cause he was the last italian in a long time who could get it (luckily). Makkelie with mateu for me are the two best refs who havent had the CL yet.
      I hope it will be Mateu.

      EL is really an open race but id like to see Turpin there

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    2. If you give Champions League final to a very young like Makkelie this guy can retire! How to find motivations after that for a so long time? Mateu must be first option.

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    3. Mateu is also the only candidate with previous SF performance, so I agree he is the favourite, if his next games go well and no Spanish team reaches the final.
      And yes, Taylor, Turpin and Makkelie should be the first alternatives. Otherwise, they could get the SF experience this year.

      For EL, I also see Turpin as front-runner, but basically there are the same candidates (except Makkelie), maybe with some chances for Oliver and Hategan, too.

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    4. I also think that the two main candidates are Mateu and Makkelie; the first one will be respectful for his full carrier, the second one maybe is more merit based because makkelie is showing higher performance respect to Mauteu. But appointing Makkelie right now could be too early and really he could loose some motivation. Mateu has, of course, the big "competition" of teams for Spain.
      If I would be Rosetti I would appoint Mateu for CL final and Turpin for EL final

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    5. @Anonymous 09:38 I think that the times in which we had to look at referees age are over. In the context of modern refereeing, with so many possible achievements, I'm sure that Makkelie would consider the appointment for CL final as step in his career and not the "final destination". There are so many competitions like EURO tournament, World Cup. The same Kuipers I think would be very proud of getting EURO final (missing in his palmares). So, looking at the performances shown by the Dutch on the pitch, I would say he will be always an "hungry" referee. So appointing him for CL final in case of deserved choice, would be exclusively made on merit. Nowadays, in my opinion, merit must be the first criterion to consider. So, knowing him from the pitch and his attitude, I wouldn't be so much worried in terms of losing motivations.

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  48. TBH, I think that Vincic is too short fused when dealing with dissent.

    I appreciate that he effectively punishes dissent but he should work on anticipation before it happens, like Sánchez Martínez in Basque derby last year.

    It would be more helpful for match control rather than having to throw away cards because players run to you.

    https://streamable.com/tt04et

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    1. I thought so too! The difference between the two referees last night couldn't have been bigger. Kuipers calm and the greatest manager there is and Vincic so angry. I really feel like he could have solved that situation in the 5th minute with some proper management skills, which apparently he lacks.

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    2. UEFA have given very strong message against dissent to their officials last months, so Slovenian simply followed instructions.

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    3. @Anonymous I know, but one thing is punishing dissent and a slightly different one is PREVENTING it, which I think Vincic doesn't do (an area in which for example Kuipers is a master)

      Referees must punish dissent but I guess that an Elite referee should use his management skills to avoid getting mobbed or surrounded and having to throw away cards which are technically correct but potentially unhelpul for control in the rest of the game.

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    4. How can you avoid dissent if a player already dissents? The incident from Primera you posted is a textbook example of missed disciplinary sanction against clear dissent by words and action. I guess you haven't seen videos at UEFA RefNetwork? They demand disciplinary sanctions for even minor dissenting behaviour nowadays. And finally, the yellow card shown by Slovenian worked perfectly well as there was no further dissent in this game.

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    5. @Anonymous I couldn't disagree more, except with your last sentence.

      1) The ATH-RSO incident is by no means a missed YC because he succeeds in avoiding the need of it before it becomes mandatory. You can see how ATH16 'retracts the wire' immediately when he sees Sánchez Martínez confronting him with and reaching his shorts pocket to shoo him, which makes player's face, gestures and attitude change in less than a second. Also, those kind of holding SPA offences are very, very frustrating for players who receive them, you can expect a player react badly, and not because of the referee. I think that in this clip Sánchez Martínez puts all fires out and in the correct order.

      A YC would have been technically correct? Sure, but you issue a mandatory YC that might be seen as a grievance for the other team because from an SPA incident the outcome of cards is 1-1 for both teams. Mateu Lahoz has a similar problem, he issues a lot of YCs for dissent because he sometimes referees at slow motion, and then you risk having to get into a loop of cards for lack of prevention. Referees are not robots.

      And to make it clear: I'm totally for a strict stance on dissent, I think that we are talking about a slightly different thing.

      2) No, I don't have access to that 'UEFA RefNetwork', sorry >.<

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    6. I agree with you, Quilava

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    7. I don’t know ... We are advised to be strict with disagreement .......

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    8. @Quilava
      +1
      I agree completely, and this situation from Basque derby was indeed a great example.

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