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Great initiative to have such a post, I'll start off here then.ARSENAL FC - MANCHESTER UNITEDFA Cup, Fourth RoundReferee: Craig Pawson (England)Generally, I was quite pleased with the performance of the refereeing crew who were clearly prepared and always focused and in full control of the match, which turned at some moments into a hotter atmosphere on the pitch. Some clips to underline this.Disciplinary control=> https://streamable.com/szd5m=> https://streamable.com/vz1ak=> https://streamable.com/5moaq=> https://streamable.com/wwmlwI must say that I have been absolutely impressed by the assistant referees, Eddie Smart and Constantine Hatzidakis who made three EXCELLENT onside decisions, each before a goal was scored. Really well done by the assistants, hats off!=> https://streamable.com/hvv7z=> https://streamable.com/5x9fz=> https://streamable.com/m7bn6There was one situation, which occurred in the beginning of the game: would you suggest that this kick was accidental or deliberate? No sanction was taken by Craig Pawson here.=> https://streamable.com/3t686And finally, the moment where the game could have boiled over: mass-confrontation that in my view has been really well managed by Craig Pawson and Eddie Smart, who was helping him out there. It ended in two bookings (Kolasinac and Rashford), a decision that has also been confirmed by VAR Chris Kavanagh. I'm fine with that decision, I don't think that a straight RC was needed there.=> https://streamable.com/ax0jv
World class decisions, first situation is very,very difficult.AR's view was obstructed, he saw only two players.He didn't see Sanchez because of the defender closest to him.
To our Spanish readers I read on this blog that in Spain assistant referee are "thrown into the fridge" with regards to the number of decision changed/corrected by VAR i want to ask are the same done to main referee and if no why and can fifa referees be demoted to the segunda division
About your first question, it seems so. It was reported by former FIFA ref Eduardo Iturralde González that Mateu's AR2, de Francisco Grijalba, had been suspended because of that (5 corrections in the first matchdays). He said so in an interview with Mateu Lahoz himself, who didn't deny the info. I didn't notice it on the appointments, however. I presume the same would be done to a referee with a similar amount of interventions. Regarding demotions of FIFA referees to Segunda, it has not happened for a while, if ever. Not since I follow the ranks. However, that might change from this year onwards, with Velasco Carballo's arrival to the chair of CTA. It is very difficult, though. However, if MARCA ranking (made by journalists) should be trusted (clue: it should not), the demoted referees this year so far would be Gil Manzano and Estrada Fernández (https://www.marca.com/futbol/primera-division/guruceta.html).
To demote an elite referee is close impossible if u ask me even if it is deserved
Incentive based demotions and promotions. I like it. A little added pressure to perform never hurt anyone. Be up to par or step aside and make room for those who are better than you.
Just to make myself clear: I don't know if, with Velasco, it will be possible to demote a FIFA referee. I just meant that, with a new boss in the office, things could change with respect to the previous situation, not that they will.
Today in Milan - Napoli occurred a very particular incident that you can describe as the worst situation you can have because you can't apply VAR for a clear and obvious mistake.Video:https://streamable.com/c5btzSecond YC shown for an alleged deliberate handball (it was a touch by chest, as replay shows). This can't be corrected by VAR because "only" YC, but very obvious. Very unlucky circumstances.
Probably after situations like this VAR will be used for second yellow cards as well. I think they should be. Maybe in the future.
I have no words for German VAR. I'm sorry but both Fröhlich and Drees should be sacked for such garbage offered week in, week out. It seems they both live in an alternative world!Yellow cardhttps://twitter.com/pawel2322/status/1088887934005202944No penaltyhttps://twitter.com/marcfriq7/status/1089183023369801732
For both situations, there aren't explanations.
This day will go down in history. As the day that Chefren made absolutely no attempt to excuse and/or justify a referee's decision(s). No use of those cute keywords "grey area", "acceptable", "referee can be backed" and/or "not a black and white incident".
You’re really starting to annoy me Mr. Sheriff Castrilli. The fact that you again and again and again and again try to impose your opinion on everybody on this blog I can cope with, although copying the same message and posting it under different posts doesn’t really serve a purpose, but okay...Making fun of the moderator of this blog however, only because he doesn’t share your oversimplified view of matter and unsubtle way of commenting irritates me immensely.Probably now I will be the next being made fun of, but totally okay. Just wanted to express my annoyance about this way of commenting and express my appreciation for the work Chefren puts into this blog.
Agreed. Criticizes other referees but can't take it when people point out Mexican referee Cesar Ramos's terrible performances earned him a an undeserved semi-final.
Appointments from today in Saudi Arabia (Ref, ARs, 4th - VAR)Al Fateh - Al Quadisiya, 13:20 CETKevin Blom (Netherlands), Djibril Camara, El Hadji Samba (both, Senegal), Nenad Đokić (Serbia) - Tomasz Adam Musiał (Poland)Al Feiha - Al Hilal, 16:20 CETMohammed Al-Hawish, Badr Al-Shamrani, Khalaf Al-Shammari, Faisal Al-Balawi (all, Saudi Arabia) - Simon Lee Evans (Wales)According to Transfermarkt, this is the first local referee appointed in the Pro League this season! At last, Mr Clattenburg. This makes me particularly satisfied, against the background of Turki Al-Khudair's excellent exploits in the Asian Cup, and his domestic competition now hopefully won't count against him in international competitions. If as a local referee, you were starting to get excited, you would then see the cosmopolitan referee team for the early game, and you would be brought back to reality. But still, a good day for Saudi refereeing.If I may remind everyone, if you are interested to watch games either live or on full match record from KSA, then you can do so for free in full quality on the website:www.dawriplus.com
I managed to mix the appointments up :-DAl Fateh - Al Quadisiya will be handled by Mohammed Al-Hawish, while Kevin Blom will whistle Al Feiha - Al Hilal.
Thanks for the video link. If more Saudi referee's were assigned I'd be more interested. I already see enough of the at times overrated EURO referee's. I'm much more interested in the lesser knowns who are just trying to make it.
Interesting situation from ItalyGoal was dissallowed after VAR call.https://streamable.com/jgcdp
Imo I feel it is d correct decision the ball had not left the penalty box before the player got into the box.... standing on the line can be regarded as in the box
Brrr ... refereeing with microscope. Referee needs +/- 2 minutes to decide. Referee is obviously not convinced of his ultimate decision. VAR puts the referee in a very difficult position.
I understand your point but integrity and correct and accurate calls supersedes every other thing in football dats y VAR was brought in the first place .... on a Normal day if the refs sees dat he disallows it and takes 2minutes to ensure to get the right decision as long as he gets it right am satisfied I may not like it but
I am not convinced that the VAR should intervene here by the protocol, because the defending team clearly is in control of the ball after the infringement (the attacking phase only starts, when the goalscorer gets the ball).
Kelvin friend is having a wonderful game today in Crystal palace vs totteham
Two 2nd YC actions in LaLigaGonzález Fuertes in Girona-Barcelona.https://streamable.com/jzgcsSánchez Martínez (FIFA 2nd) in Valladolid-Celtahttps://streamable.com/m4cvgYour thoughts? I have doubt about Sánchez Martínez's one as footage is not of good quality, but IMO González Fuertes' 2nd YC is wrong. Do you think challenge is careless or reckless?
Sánchez Martínez's is supportable. González Fuerte's is wrong, IMO.
IMO excellent RC for SFP issued by Estrada Fernández in Athletic-Betis, I hope I can find good footage of the challenge asap.
Excellent RC by Xavi……EF. Good.
Unbelievable no red card in PSG- Rennes after OFR (Niang, min 35). A decision that speaks about the level of actual referees...
You can give referee's any and all technology that's available in this world. Buy said technology can only do so much to mask or cover an already terrible referee.
I rarely agree with you, petschovschi, but that no RC decision is absolutely shocking! More shocking actually that referee Karim Abed did NOT change his decision (YC) after having been called over by VAR. He assessed it as a reckless tackle, instead of SFP. Shocking decision.Having said that, not the first time that Abed is at the centre of controversy...
https://twitter.com/anton75_/status/1089623939725357056?s=21That was the situation...
Absolutely uncomprehensible indeed...
I have no explanation, blatant RC...
Especially (those who follow French football a bit will know) because Abed has previously sent off players for much less than that...
Unacceptable decision to keep the YC there.
Why do we even act surprised? Are we not all aware that this is the new, expected and preached "modern style" of officiating?
I don't know what is wrong with refereeing nowadays. No more care about players' safety, no more jumping in when needed. The teams prefer anarchy and injuries instead of nice football which its clue is to play the ball, not opponent's legs. Strange times...
Furthermore, a chaotic management of additional time!First half: 4 minutes of stoppage time, referee blows whistle 10 seconds before.Second half: 3 minutes of stoppage time, referee whistles 40 seconds before the end of added time.
Shocking. Such a mistake should lead to a suspension.
Another deliberate, off-the-ball stamping incident in LaLiga today (a few minutes ago in Espanyol - Real Madrid, Vinicius was the offender)… and again no VAR intervention. Seems like CTA doesn't consider that as a VC and just UB... which is completely wrong, IMO. I'll post a video if I find one. Minute was between 50' and 58', if anyone wants to look at it.
Now IMO correct RC for DOGSO issued by Gil Manzano to Varane in Espanyol-Real Madrid. Contact is quite soft as Varane tries to avoid it, but he didn't even complain.https://streamable.com/yh5e2
Yes, fully correct RC. Would have also been red inside the penalty area.
Regarding my previous post on Vinicius' VC, it was minute 54. Still have not found any video.
If there was contact, the RC would absolutely correct. But I really can't tell if there was any contact from replay.
Yes, the contact is on the heel. Look closely a few instants before Espanyol's player's legs touch each other.
Ok I finally see it, thanks George. Varane was really unlucky.
https://youtu.be/NVxYUhzrONIMin 1.17 sek.Red or yellow 😕
We need another angle here because I'm not sure for the penalty. Was a late decision I think.if is penalty here red card for holding dogso for me.
Karim Abed quote via AFP:"I lacked lucidity and recoil in the heat and I should have excluded the rennes player. Even if one works to avoid an error, it can exist. Fortunately Thilo Kehrer did not come out injured. I made two mistakes. First on my first decision by only giving a warning, then a second time by viewing the images."
After his rather controversial performance in PSG vs. Rennes yesterday, you can read the full report of Karim Abed's performance on Kronika sedziowska (including video footage):=> https://kronikasedziowska.blogspot.com/p/championship-ligue-1-conforama-france.htmlThank you Vlad for letting me contribute to the blog.
https://streamable.com/pff5pThis incident is from serie A game Torino - Inter. Referee sent off a player for an insult. According to some sources, the player said to referee something like "you are poor". In my opinion RC is fully justified, but what you read on mass media and newspapers is that referee was too much touchy. I really don't like this argument and I strongly encourage all the (especially young) referees who read this blog, to take the appropriate disciplinary measure when you receive an insult like this. Players must respect referees, because referees respect players. If you keep your eyes close and you don't send off a player, you allow him to treat you as he wants. I really don't like that. However, I must add that in serie A there are only a few referees who don't hesitate to send off players: Maresca (the referee in the video) is among them. Most of the other officials don't show cards and I would even dare to say that they hear but they bear all the words against them by players. This is for me unacceptable. I will like more a referee who doesn't look at teams, players and so on but just officiates the game and when he has to send off a player, he does that without problem. One could say that a referee with such attitude is a referee with more personality, and I would agree. But first of all, is a referee interested in refereeing, without thinking to "external factors". I just wanted to highlight that.
Why Mariani was chosen over Maresca to join the FIFA list?
Mazzoleni in some of his games this season showed also zero tolerance,I think that he leads Serie A in red card department.
Fully agree with you ChefrenLet's say that in Italian language "you are very poor" become an offensive statement, using the superlative adjective. It's really said to despise people in front of you with an arrogant tone and without any respect.Any news from Elite Uefa gathering in Portugal ?
@VladMany people here in Italy share this question, I think that the answer is a mix of the following arguments: Mariani is a bit younger than Maresca, he was considered as "promising" and he attended CORE. When AIA puts trust and expectations on a name, it is very rare that they change idea in any case. This is very sad to say, but it is the true, we had other examples in past. In addition, as official ranking of last season was published due to Gavillucci's affair, it resulted that Mariani was ahead of Maresca, with the latter just one position below. This was very unlucky for him. However, if we look at performances, Mariani has never reached the level of Maresca, he has still to show everything, but he has got the badge as "perspective referee". What I don't like, I repeat myself, is that attitude to bet on a referee and then to follow him in any case, despite of performance, due to age matters and maybe nothing more. Said with all the respect, of course. @F it is indeed difficult to translate in English what it is reported, "very poor" can give the idea but in Italian it sounds more aggressive "sei scarso". Having said that, still no news from Portugal. Let's wait, maybe there will be something on uefa.com.
Thanks for explanation. I watched Maresca a couple of times and I had the feeling he is a very brave, almost complete referee. Therefore, I was surprised he wasn't chosen as the next FIFA referee. I didn't watch Mariani though.
Well, now a video published by CTA-RFEF!http://www.rfef.es/noticias/velasco-carballo-liderar-var-europa-es-motivo-orgullo-trabajo-rfefThe piece of news also state what was already known: Martínez Munuera and Hernández Hernández will act as VARs in UCL.
Crazy finale for Estrada Fernández in Valencia-Getafe. It's a pity that he had a crucial mistake for a wrong 2nd YC.
In a game where we had 12 yc's and 1 red we can always expect challenging match,which was the case this night.He was dishing out cards very easily.I didnt see that crucial mistake,I watched some parts of the game so I cant be the judge of his performance .
At the end a very serious mass confrontation happened. Estrada was just standing with the RC on the hand, couldn't watch more. Lots of policemen and security members had to intervene between the players. I'm curious to see what Estrada will write on the match report.
Live I saw a foul by Djene which, considering the line previously set by Estrada, could be also YC (2nd). However, if you say it was a crucial mistake, I'll rewatch it.I must say, however, that mass confrontations were not caused by him, nor he lost control. There was a huge rivalry between both teams after the first leg (I posted here a possible VC) and the coaches had been heating the game. It was likely to happen.
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After watching the replay, I have to disagree with you, Quilava. I don't think it can be considered a crucial mistake because it is a very grey situation. First, there is debate about who commits the foul. I think Estrada's interpretation is completely valid: Mina's leg is in front of Djene's and is the latter who hits from behind. Another possible interpretation is that Mina puts the leg to force the foul... but that doesn't prevent it from being so. If you think it is a tripping from Mina, I can understand, but I don't share that vision. Then, the second part is the caution. As I said, given the referee's line previously during the match, it is not wrong. Might be soft, might not be mandatory and tactically unwise, but not completely wrong. However, it is an interesting situation to discuss.https://www.marca.com/futbol/copa-rey/2019/01/30/5c50e184ca4741c1268b4625.html
I managed to cut the full sequence, video is below.https://streamable.com/onzt1Very, very tricky... George describes it really well above. I got to watch the full game. Very rigorous approach by Estrada, which led to many cards, but it was fully justified and actually the correct approach for this match. All of the cautions (give or take 62') were coherent with his line. I liked his way of managing players, it was successful. Besides one YC missed for dissent by action (66'), I was really happy with his performance. I agree with George, "it wasn't his fault" all what happened afterwards, and he had always the control (yes some small riots, but certainly the control) on the pitch. Very good performance in my opinion, well done!
DFB (Jochen Drees) has published their opinion on some of the discussed situations from the Bundesliga weekend involving VAR1) Two goals were ruled due to marginal offside by the VAR. There were several critical voices, whether those would not be "too close to call" afterwards - also because the decisions took around 2 minutes each.Drees praised that two irregular goals were avoided and emphasized that "clear and obvious" is not relevant for factual decisions like offside. Of course, he is right, but those situations however increased the criticism on VAR in Germany.https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx2dxWhX0AMT9ED.jpghttps://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36338730/Abseits.jpg2) https://media.giphy.com/media/3kC2FUFaIQIiOFNUOX/giphy.gifDecision: Play onClear and obvious mistake, therefore a VAR intervention was required. The explanation, why it did not happen, is that none of the officials recoqnized the potential foul and therefore the situation was not checked. There were also no protests on the pitch, which could have indicated something. A plausible explanation, but surely something, which should not happen and is a clear mistake by the VAR (and the referee).
3) Then there were a lot of discussions about this goal, which was allowed (without OFR):https://www.goalsarena.org/en/video/germany-bundesliga/26-01-2019-borussia-monchengladbach-2-0-augsburg.html (03:20)Drees says, it is an active offside position, because the player tries to play the ball and is challenging the GK for it. Also he is in the line of vision for the last defender. I think, it is good, that they give a clear situation for this, because it decreases the grey area.But he also states that there were reasons for allowing the goal. Nevertheless he was missing a VAR intervention, saying that a detailled analysis could have solved the situation correctly. This does not fit to the normally strict interpretation of "clear and obvious" in my opinion. 4) https://twitter.com/pawel2322/status/1088887934005202944Drees: "For the VAR it is decisive, whether the referee had a perception of the situation? If yes, the bar for an intervention is extremely high. Then very serious, graphically verifiable arguments, why that decision was wrong, are required.So, just a general statement and no discussion if the particular incident.
5) Then we had an interesting match with several debatable handball situations, but no official statementsa) https://i.ibb.co/p499698/Hasebe-Hsmall.gifDecision: Play onb) https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36339077/ezgif.com-video-to-gif387.gifDecision: play onFor me both situations are grey area, but rather correct and surely no VAR relevance1) Ref: Dankert, VAR: Fritz and Ref: Zwayer, VAR: Dingert2) Ref: Gräfe, VAR: Siebert3) Ref: Osmers, VAR: Jablonski4) Ref: Brych, VAR: Perl5) Ref: Schmidt, VAR: Storks
1) You are right that both situations are tight, however they are fully correct and great decisions. It is correct that both managers of the teams at disadvantages used the tightness of the situations and the VAR using two lines to proof it as an excuse for their loss. Some journalists did not understand the two line - principle either. That's not the problem of VAR I believe. Giving these (mostly dumb) voices too much room and calling this an increasing criticism on VAR in Germany goes too far and should not be done on the blog IMO. The majority of fans will be happy that missed offside positions don't decide games and championships anymore (which they did in the past!).2) Indeed this is interesting in Germany. If you check everything, the media will call you a detective. If you suspect nothing in an incident because noone in a stadium of 80.000 people wants anything, then you have done a clear mistake. Difficult balance.3) I think one must take into account that Drees, by going transparent and public, also risks to lose credit among his former fellow referees. He cannot blame them too much in the media, so I think mentioning that there are also some arguments for not stepping in was mostly due to that.4) Indeed, clear and obvious mistake in my opinion. 5) Nothing for VAR indeed, and for the 2nd one Maybe there even was an offside in the build up. Luckily VARs not only look at slowmos but also at the attacking phase.
Betis-Espanyol (Copa del Rey QF, 2nd leg) is heading to ET. De Burgos Bengoetxea (FIFA 2nd) is the referee, IMO good-expected level until now, lots of cards issued including a 2nd YC (dark YC) in 90+5. Let's see.And also now there's Barcelona-Sevilla, officiated by Sánchez Martínez (FIFA 2nd).
IMO correct (and stupid) PK called by Sánchez Martínez at 12' to Barcelona. Barcelona needs a goal to draw.
Another (IMO) soft-but-supportable PK by Sánchez Martínez, confirmed by VAR.
GIF of 1st PK.https://media.giphy.com/media/9r1n4MhlaaxdeTsh5q/giphy.gif
Overall I thought Sánchez Martínez performed very well in quite a challenging match. Many key match incidents in which he can be packed (penalties in 12' and 24') + penalty appeals (17' and 67'). Furthermore very good player management (confrontation in 30' fastly solved by cautioning both players involved), very firm and confident impression. I really like this type of refereeing displayed yesterday.However, in terms of added time (but that seems to be a general problem in Spain): +1 in 1st half and +3 in second half seem not enough IMO, as the VAR checks were quite long.
Frank Schneider stopped game in 9th minute of Nantes vs St Ettiene match to pay tribute to Emiliano Sala. Really emotional moment for home coach, players and fans. Nice gesture by referee.
Gianluca Manganiello sent of Edin Dzeko for spitting him in Fiorentina vs Roma. He should be banned for months in my opinion, really disgusting.
According to some reports from the stadium, it seems as Dzeko made the gesture like spitting, but it wasn't a real spit. I will inform you soon again with the decisions taken against him.
Agree. Unbelievable act by Dzeko. Should be banned for months i hope !
OT:Sanchez Martinez so far very good.To me a bit soft 1st PK but supportable.
Very strange incident from the Saudi league. Looks like Clattenburg is violating VAR protocol as outlined in LOTG: https://streamable.com/hd0ai
Clattenburg does what he wants there...
His body language still the best in the world, though :)
What a crazy situation. Looks like he was trying to stop the crowd and the benches from revolting.
The spectators and teams in the Saudi league clearly have zero trust in referees even when they bring in foreign 'European experts'and have VAR.
That was a pure display of comedy. Very entertaining refereeing. Chaotic and funny.
What a clown Clatts is. Making a total mockery of the VAR process. A clear example of when a person is given way too much power.
Andre Marriner with a second yellow card for Dissent (sarcastic clapping) to Zaha.https://streamable.com/wadwq
Correct decision but he missed the free kick.
I was looking for some news about the Elite gathering in Portugal on UEFA website, but I didn't get any feedback. Have you some notes ?
Inter- Lazio (Coppa Italia)~ 100' no penalty after a small push of Milinkovic-Savic against Icardi (after a cross from the right part of the pitch). After silent-check the referee maintained his decision (GREY AREA SITUATION)117' red card for Asamoah for a very ugly foul. Unfortunately the referee changed his decision after OFR. He changed the card from red to yellow. For me it was a clear red card, for this kind of fouls a red card it's a must imo (in any case it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake, so VAR should not have intervened) BIG MISTAKE120' penalty for Inter after silent-check. Initially, the referee whistled a free kick outside the area. The contact was clearly inside the area, the correction provided by VAR was necessary. But I'm not sure it was really a foul (OFR should have been a smart choice). For my taste it's not foul, but I'm sure that for many of you say this is grey area. MISTAKEMy conclusion: even with VAR we have mistakes. Like I said many times: we need good referees, not VAR. Unfortunately VAR is the normal consequence of the poor level of actual referees.
I checked the scenes you mentioned:- 100': I don't know why this situation was even checked, there was absolutely no contact at all. This is not even a grey area situation, there is nothing at all, so I don't understand why this situation has been checked for so long before the corner kick was taken.- 117': Very difficult situation for me. Watching it with replays, I tend to say reckless tackle and YC would have been enough, but I can live with red here. It's not a studs-up tackle (that's what the referee might have thought, also because of the point of contact). However, the question remains: is it a clear and obvious mistake? I'm not sure, that remains a question of interpretation. In real time, it looks like a studs-up tackle, therefore I understand the original decision of the referee. And given your strong words "very ugly foul", I expected actually more (sth like the surreal non-RC in PSG-Rennes). - 120': decision to intervene by VAR is correct, foul happens inside the area, difficult to spot it live. No OFR needed here, because it was a classic "black-or-white" decision (inside or outside). However, I can't believe that you say that this is not a foul: in the second-last replay, you can definitely see how the Lazio player deliberately keeps his shoulder out (see the movement he makes). Clear foul and a yellow card at least should have been given here. The way he keeps his shoulder out, the speed he's coming at, that's reckless at least! Not grey area, clear foul!If anyone could provide clips, that'd be great.
@Stake-100' there is contact for sure. It's a soft push with both hands made by Milinkovic-Savic. The re-play from behind the goal is very clear (TV camera is place somewhere in the upper part of the "curva")- 117' for me a red card in this kind of ugly fouls is always mandatory. I will argue with anyone in this matter.- 120' I said for my taste it's no foul, but I can accept any other opinion. I can tell you one thing: I'm not the only person who consider the penalty as a mistake (immediatly after the game I saw few tweets of some italian journalists about this penalty)
P.S. I will try to watch again the penalty from 120'. My impression during the game was the a too soft penalty.
90+4' - play-on call after late tackle (SPA vs DOGSO?; Lazio coach was dismissed for protesting against the decision after the final whistle)https://streamable.com/zqp4c97' - penalty incident, little push in the back, no penalty after long consultation with VARhttps://streamable.com/qc4c1105' - strike in the face/head (violent conduct)?https://streamable.com/0t1rz116' - red card for serious foul play changed to yellow card for reckless tackle after an on-field review (most likely VAR asked referee what he sent the player off for and recommended an on-field review after confirming that Abisso made a mistake on perception level)https://streamable.com/0tmcb120+2' - Free kick changed to penalty kick after VAR intervention (clear reckless foul for me)https://streamable.com/wk56i
Am I the only one not seeing a foul on 90+4'?
Nope. I rewatched it carefully and it's a defender who played the ball and the subsequent contact was minimal. Good (not late, as I wrote yesterday) tackle! Well done, Mr Abisso!
It wasn't a spit by Dzeko to Manganiello but only verbal abuse.He got a ban of two matchdays.
Italian Seria A assignmnetATALANTA – SPAL MASSA VAR: FABBRIBOLOGNA – GENOA ROCCHI VAR: DOVERI CHIEVO – ROMA ABISSO VAR: PAIRETTO FIORENTINA – NAPOLI CALVARESE VAR: PASQUA LAZIO – EMPOLI CHIFFI VAR: ORSATO MILAN – CAGLIARI LA PENNA VAR: MANGANIELLO PARMA – INTER IRRATI VAR: VALERI SAMPDORIA – FROSINONE MARINELLI VAR: GIACOMELLI SASSUOLO – JUVENTUS MAZZOLENI VAR: MARESCA TORINO – UDINESE GUIDA VAR: AURELIANO Top clash Fiorentina-Napoli to Calvarese. Rocchi will act on Sunday, while Orsato today only as VAR. What can we say aboyut next CL and EL appointments ?
Orsato has been appointed as VAR for a game to be played this evening (Lazio - Empoli). This could mean CL on next week for him. Irrati, who has chances to be appointed as main VAR for Orsato games in CL, has a match on Saturday (Parma - Inter).So, everything would suit there.
OT: Ligue 1 Conforama (Matchday 24)08.02 (Friday)Dijon - Marseille, 20:45 CETReferee: Thomas LeonardVAR: Jérôme Miguelgorry09.02 (Saturday)PSG - Bordeaux, 17:00 CET Referee: Ruddy BuquetVAR: Antony GautierAmiens - Caen, 20:00 CETReferee: Eric WattellierVAR: Jérôme BrisardStrasbourg - Angers, 20:00 CETReferee: Amaury DelerueVAR: Alexandre Castro10.02 (Sunday)Nantes- Nîmes, 15:00 CETReferee: Clément TurpinVAR: Florent BattaToulouse - Reims, 15:00 CETReferee: Karim AbedVAR: Antony GautierMontpellier - Monaco, 15:00 CETReferee: Frank SchneiderVAR: Wilfried BienRennes - ASSE, 17:00 CETReferee: Johan HamelVAR: Bruno CoueGuingamp - Lille, 17:00 CETReferee: Benoît BastienVAR: Benoît MillotNice - Lyon, 21:00 CETReferee: Mikael LesageVAR: Jérôme Brisard
Spanish appointments:http://cdn1.sefutbol.com/sites/default/files/images19/1a_-_jornada_23ok.pdfWith this and considering UCL, the main candidate for an appointment is Mateu Lahoz, as Del Cerro has a match on Sunday (20:45), although he could be possible on Wednesday. Gil Manzano isn't appointed, but Edward (I think) said he will be in Greece, and he wasn't in Málaga this week, so unlikely. Undiano will not be appointed, as he has a match on Monday.
Gil Manzano has the Greek derby PAOK - Olympiakos on Sunday night (18:30 CET).
Handballs are always an interesting topic.Sidiropoulos waived play-on on that scene tonight.https://streamable.com/xbycxPlus he awarded a penalty on that scene.https://streamable.com/qpuefThoughts?
Thanks Edward.For me they are two black-white errors. Did you, Xristos Bramis or any other readers, manage to watch any Cup Quarterfinals this week? I was interested to but didn't find the time.If anyone is interested, below there is refereeing highlights from the AEK Athens - PAOK Thessaloniki game handled by Michael Tykgaard (UEFA 2nd Category) from Denmark.https://streamable.com/epurb
Papapetrou, Skoulas(newly FIFA listed), Diamantopoulos (newly FIFA listed) were in charge of the other 3 greek cup quarter finals, with no problems. I'll link the video HL of all 4 matches.Lamia - Olympiacos (SKOULAS): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhtMTJEVcJMPanionios - Paok (DIAMANTOPOULOS) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROctrFSCyHkErgotelis - Asteras Tripolis (PAPAPETROU) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2WkJV3rJ7UAtromitos - AEK Athens (SIDIROPOULOS) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDSE-9e2CXQ&t=514s
Thank you for the AEK-PAOK highlights, Michael. It was the worst performance from a foreign referee so far in Superleague.I watched only Atromitos - AEK. Plus there is a video with an AR's (huge) mistake from Ergotelis - Asteras Tripolis.Here: https://streamable.com/46ydq
Edvard - kan you put more words on Tykgaards performance? It looks like there was a potential penalty kick and also possible VC...
OT: Aleksander Čeferin has been re-elected as UEFA President in its congress, and has revealed that only 5 out of 16 UCL club managers have attended the VAR meeting with Rosetti
He was really critical at the interview on Slovenian TV with some strong words that Rosseti prepare great overview and clarification for managers, but the majority of them ignore it. He said that no complains after it are relevant now.
That's a shame ! Rosetti and Uefa have prepared a good explanation to club on how VAR will work on Cl matches, and they have ignored it. Arrogance by clubs
Rather than "arrogance", I would say "ignorance".There is the same problem here in Italy, there are very often some meetings between serie A referees and clubs but in most of them there are only a few representatives of clubs. It seems they are not interested, but then when it comes to question a decision on the pitch they release interviews and they blame referees. This is for sure something unacceptable. Refereeing's culture and respect should be inside teams and coaches, they see this world still as very different. But this is the most important part of football.UEFA has made big efforts to ensure VAR starting from this phase of CL. All clubs should be grateful for that.
Why? Especially for clubs that already have VAR in their domestic competition, I think it's pretty sensible to send an assistent-manager or someone else other than the manager. They can see whether there are any differences compared to the VAR in their domestic competition and report so. You can't expect from all managers to come when they are all already familiarized with VAR.
Tonight in Copa del Rey SF 1st leg, VAR Estrada Fernández and referee Del Cerro Grande have broken the record of the fastest VAR review since technology was established in LaLiga. 16 seconds since an olympic goal happened until Del Cerro Grande confirmed it after VAR advice.https://streamable.com/y3950
There is no goal line technology in Copa del Rey?
There's no goal technology in Spain. According to Liga and RFEF it was too expensive and VAR is enough if you put a camera in the correct angle and position, like you can see at the end of the video.
In my opinion VAR cameras are not enough to solve this problem.GLT should have been introduced as well.
GLT decision should be faster as well than VAR but They did a great job there!
Great job by the VAR Estrada Fernánde !!Correct decision.
Any UCL predictions for next week?
Manchester-PSG: Cakir (VARs: Göcek, Simsek)Roma-Porto: Mateu (VARs: del Cerro, Martinez)Tottenham-Dortmund: Hategan (VARs: Raczkowski, Gil)Ajax-Real: Sidiropoulos (VARs: Irrati, Guida)
I dont think Cakir will get manchester/old trafford. That Nani syndrome still exists i think! When was the last time Cakir officiated at old trafford anyway?
He has not refereed Manchester United since that incident. But nearly 6 years should really be enough passed time...Who would be your choice for this match?
I think I would go with an Italian crew for the first leg. Either Orsato or Rocchi for me. (Not sure if they have any games this weekend). Both have alot of experience with VAR along with Irrati upstairs. Should be a safe appointment for the first "big" CL match with VAR.
As I wrote above in this discussion, Orsato is candidate in my opinion for CL on next week, he was VAR yesterday in a serie A game. Irrati will officiate on Saturday, so possible to see him as VAR with Orsato. The only thing against a Tuesday's assignment is Manganelli (in Orsato trio) appointed on Sunday in serie A. He should have then two games in two days, this doesn't happen.
Rocchi is appointed on Sunday in Serie A, but Orsato is indeed a choice, that I would like for Manchester. His ARs were not in Malaga this week though, but maybe they are just experienced enough with VAR.
We can expect Makkelie as VAR. He has a match with Kamphuis as AVAR this weekend. Usually, the AVAR should be an assistant referee, this time it is Kamphuis, which means they are training together and will do a match.Conclusion: maybe Kuipers with Makkelie as VAR, or otherwise an Italian referee with Makkelie as VAR.
I think we could see Orsato Wednesday in the Spurs Dortmund game.
It will be also interesting to see the choices about fourth official.After a very long time, a fourth official in CL KO stage will be a referee, are Category 2 officials OK for this role?
I don't think it is a problem, because there were also teams, where the highest ranked AAR was cat. 2 (e.g. Brych - Dankert, Fritz), who were appointed in CL KO stage. So, there was also no better replacement available.I assume, mostly the AAR1 from the "old teams" will be used as 4th, when he is available.
League Cup Final between Manchester City and Chelsea!Referee: Jon MossAssistant Referees: Andy Halliday and Marc PerryFourth Official: Paul TierneyReserve Assistant Referee: Constantine HatzidakisVAR: Martin Atkinson AVAR: Steve Child
Big news from saudi arabia Clattunberg left saudi arabia and almirdasi is innocent
Interesting info, but like we did 8 months ago, we should be careful in treating this news.I have read here and there on google, twitter and so on, and indeed it is reported that after 8 months of jail he is free and now he is at home with his family. However, it is not clearly stated that he has been declared "innocent". The same happened when he was accused of being "guilty". We can only say that things were never clear and what really happened will be unknown.If you want to read more, just write فهد المرداسي (Fahad Al Mirdasi in Arabic) on google, you will find many articles.Here the picture of the former FIFA referee back home:https://i.postimg.cc/qvWSbKSJ/6.jpg
I won't comment on Al-Mirdasi's situation.I will however comment in regards to Clattenburg. If it is indeed true that Clatt's is leaving the Kingdom. I say, "BRAVO, it's about damn time!" The Saudi referee committee can finally get pack to developing home grown talent. Something that Clatt's made non existent with his constant hiring of foreign "mercenaries" (referee's) and his shunning of Saudi referee's.
It‘s official the former saudi referee Khalil Jalal will replace him
Al-Ghamdi? Wow! :)Also Saudis finally are getting games in the Pro League. Muhammad Al-Huwaish, Khalid At-Trais, Shukri Al-Hanfoush were appointed last matchdays.
I hope to see mark again in PL
will the Champions League designations always be announced on Sunday and Monday?
Miedź Legnica - Jagiellonia BiałystokReferee: Bartosz Frankowski (2nd Cat)VAR: Krzysztof Jakubik (3rd Cat)15' - Goal or offside?https://streamable.com/lysm944' - Penalty - SPA/DOGSOhttps://streamable.com/mxqor64' - Red card for DOGSO and possible foul when gaining possession of the ballhttps://streamable.com/a0gzk76' - Possible 2nd YC - deliberate handling - SPA?https://streamable.com/s4vbf80' - Penalty incident - trailing leg tackle? - player severely injured, most likely cruciate ligament were tornhttps://streamable.com/ml7h788' - Possible 2nd YC - SPA?https://streamable.com/qi4si
Lech Poznań - Zagłębie LubinReferee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (non-FIFA)VAR: Piotr Lasyk (non-FIFA)60' - Goal / No-Goalhttps://streamable.com/hu1gi63' - Penalty incident - illegal use of armhttps://streamable.com/ysw6r80' - Penalty incident - trip?https://streamable.com/ds5g084' - Penalty for careless kick awarded after an on-field reviewhttps://streamable.com/jtzhy
You can find refereeing highlights of two very challenging top clashes in Belgium's Pro League, handled by young UEFA Third Category referees.Club Brugge - KAA Gent, Bram Van Driessche (33 yrs)1Hhttps://streamable.com/mjq0c2Hhttps://streamable.com/ukmcoStandard Liège - RSC Anderlecht, Lawrence Visser (29 yrs)1Hhttps://streamable.com/spj222Hhttps://streamable.com/m36gz
Completely unacceptable behaviour from Preud'homme.By the way, VAR should have also warned referee about the "doigt d'honneur of Carcela".
I think Visser did a decent job. Maybe one or two missed yellow cards, and maybe a bit more pro-active refereeing, but for sure a decent job in the hottest derby of Belgium.
Both games seems very challenging.Van Driessche missed 2-3 yellow cards in the first half for sure. In the 90th minute I think VAR should have intervened, it was a penalty. It was tough to build up a good disciplinary control in this match. Visser could give also a few more cards as well. Good VAR intervention to disallow the goal. But the whole procedure is a disaster. Nearly the whole team stand behind Visser and they could see the screen. Not the best placement of the screen which is causing the trouble. After the decision I would also prefer at least one caution, unnacceptable mobbing around Visser. No words for Preud'homme's and the technical staff's behaviour. One person also pulls agressively the fourth official's arm... It was the minimum to send Preud'homme to the stands. They put incredible pressure there on Visser. But overall he stayed calm and the overall picture is positive. I could see Visser in few years at least in Category1. Btw I would like to see some clear regulations about VAR screen placement. I would make a sort of technical area which could even enter to the field and nobody would come into area while decisionmaking is happening. Seems impossible to make decisions in such circumstances and hard to sell the decision then.
Foul before 1-1 in ATM-RMA? 25'
I don't think so.VAR checked a possible offside but I think Ramos breaks it.
There is contact and the player didn't play the ball; clear foul for me especially considering the line Estrada has used so far. (Yellow card to Vazquez for example and this was worse than that)
Now a PK, quite difficult to determine if inside/outside the box. VAR supported Estrada's PK initial decision.
Sigh... I think LaLiga VARs want to find any way to support the initial decision like they are trying so hard to avoid possibly overruling the referee. When was the last OFR?
For me, also no foul before 1-1, for me a "shoulder against shoulder" challenge. Very tight onside before the goal. Also on the penalty, almost impossible to determine whether it was inside or outside. VAR was right to support the initial decision in my view.Considering Estrada’s disciplinary line, I can’t really determine one. The first 2 bookings were quite soft and not necessary IMO, and in 6’ he missed a YC for a clear stamp. However, he manages players quite well, most remarkable for me when Ramos tried to complain, however Estrada makes it quite clear who’s the boss on the pitch (38’)Quite a number of penalty appeals also correctly rejected (30’, 45’).However, two minutes of stoppage time is not enohgh with two long VAR reviews.
https://twitter.com/goldenarzisse/status/1094261744271347712?s=21“Shoulder to shoulder” more like hip and leg to hip and leg.
Another tight onside/offside... VAR upholds on-field decision; wish they showed the shot with the offside line...
Now another tough offside decision. This time VAR supported AR2's offside decision.
Now interesting penalty situation. Estrada gave a foul against ATM (I think) and VAR supported the decision. Personally, I thought there was a foul before the possible penalty so...
Agree. Estrada is issuing lots of YC, very challenging game.
Yup! The game has gotten very challenging... The last ~20 mins are going to be tough!
Now a 2nd YC by Estrada. Dark YC.
Clear penalty, perfect first decision for Xavi !!!!
Not that clear. Tough decision, but IMO he made the right one.
What an excellent refereeing by Estrada Fernandez!!!
Now correct second yellow for ATM. One of the best referee performances of the season in La Liga.
Agree with you
Then you have not seen many matches this season. Extra time was not good. Card line was not clear. Foul detection was sometimes inconsistent. Difficult match? Yes. KMI decisions all supportable? Yes. But that does not mean it is one of the best referee performances of the season in LaLiga.
Well. Today both Atlético de Madrid (Estrada Fernandez) and Celta (González Fuertes) have oficially complained because of today's refereeings. :/
Celta's main complaints: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H194DrWe1Tkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ5QoU0l1RYBoth are very soft decisions when compared to attitudes of other teams players' in the pitch, specially regarding dissent.
Both correct for me. The player isn't looking at the ball at all, only focused on ramming his opponent. We don't know what the player said, but based on the very angry reaction by the referee, I can't have too nice. If that's not in line with his usual treatment of dissent, it's not good though.
According to match report, the player who got 2 consecutive YC received the first one for "normal" dissent and the second one for ironically clapping (disrespect)
Ah, thanks for the translation I had read it as "dissent" and then "dissent through applauding". Then it is rather clear.
Most interesting Bundesliga situation from the weekend:https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36351550/ezgif.com-video-to-gif404.gifhttps://media.giphy.com/media/1ynCGQ8krPoa31HUPH/giphy.gifThe first decision was goal, after OFR it was changed to offside (Ref: Brych, VAR: Perl). The question is, whether red #23 is active or not. Opinions?
New UEFA guidelines are that if the player are inside the area close to the goal close to the keeper you are considered as intefering in the paly
It's excatly as referee wrote.
There were large complaints, because the GK would have no chance to save the ball anyway (and because it would have been a last-minute winner). But this is indeed not relevant.DFB explains, that there are even two points: Influencing the GK and interfering with the line of vision of the defender behind him. The influence on the GK is active, because there even is contact. The possibility of reaching the ball for the defending players is not important.There were also claims, that it was a foul on the red #23 (who then only got active, because of a push), but this is wrong, because it was only normal behaviour and surely no infringement of Law 12.
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