Wednesday, 6 November 2019

Champions League 2019/20 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 4 (II)

Wednesday's appointments for 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Matchday 4. 
18:55 CET - Munich (Allianz-Arena)
FC Bayern München (GER) - Olympiakós FC (GRE) | Group B
Referee: Paweł Raczkowski (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Michał Obukowicz (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Radosław Siejka (POL)
Fourth Official: Krzysztof Jakubik (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Frank De Bleeckere (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Luca Zorzi (SUI)

18:55 CET - Moscow (RZhD Arena)
FC Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS) - Juventus FC (ITA) | Group D
Referee: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Guillaume Debart (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Julien Pacelli (FRA)
Fourth Official: Frank Schneider (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Benoît Millot (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kóstas Kapitanís (CYP)
UEFA Delegate: Þórir Þormar Hákonarson (ISL)

21:00 CET - Madrid (Estadio Santiago Bernabéu)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Galatasaray (TUR) | Group A
Referee: Felix Zwayer (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Thorsten Schiffner (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Marco Achmüller (GER)
Fourth Official: Patrick Ittrich (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Daniel Siebert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Eugène Westerink (NED)

21:00 CET - Paris (Parc des Princes)
Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA) - Club Brugge KV (BEL) | Group A
Referee: Robert Madden (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Graeme Stewart (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: David Roome (SCO)
Fourth Official: Nicolas Walsh (SCO)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Rune Pedersen (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Jenni Kennedy (ENG)

21:00 CET - Belgrade (Stadion Rajko Mitić)
FK Crvena zvezda (SRB) - Tottenham Hotspur FC (ENG) | Group B
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yusté Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: José Luis Munuera Montero (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Christian Kofoed (DEN)

21:00 CET - Milan (Stadio Giuseppe Meazza)
Atalanta BC (ITA) - Manchester City FC (ENG) | Group C
Referee: Aliaksiej Kuĺbakoŭ (BLR)
Assistant Referee 1: Dzmitryj Žuk (BLR)
Assistant Referee 2: Alieh Maslianka (BLR)
Fourth Official: Dzianis Ščarbakoŭ (BLR)
Video Assistant Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Amaury Delerue (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Terje Hauge (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Jacob Erel (ISR)

21:00 CET - Zagreb (Stadion Maksimir)
GNK Dinamo (CRO) - FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) | Group C
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Sven Jablonski (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Darko Čeferin (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Artur Azaryan (ARM)

21:00 CET - Leverkusen (BayArena)
Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER) - Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) | Group D
Referee: Damir Skomina (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Robert Vukan (SVN)
Fourth Official: Rade Obrenovič (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Slavko Vinčič (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Levan Paniashvili (GEO)
UEFA Delegate: Jean-Paul Mievis (BEL)

135 comments:

  1. Chefren I don't know what rosseti has seen in Stuart attwell var post...
    Every UCL match day he has been among the selected var officials....either with English ref of Scottish refs...Euro 2020 var post for him sure alongside Antony taylor...

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  2. No Bastien in MD 3 and 4. So I guess the second YC in FK Crvena zvezda - Olympiakós FC was considered as wrong. Not a good sign for the next euro for him at least as main referee.

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    1. I think we should await the UEL appointments - maybe he will appear on thursday. Some of the UEL matches might be even more interesting than some of the UCL matches.

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  3. Why no Cakir?
    Only 1 appointment after Matchday 4?
    I have to say I am a bit disappointed about Mr.Roberto Rosetti.
    Cüneyt Cakir has got a great season in Turkey (last match Saturday) and also international he is more than eight years top elite referee with CL Semifinals on mass...

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    1. Old enough...
      Uefa need new young ref...
      Cakir,kuipers,brych and skomina I am not sure all of them will make euro 2020 again...

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    2. Old enough?????

      That is NOT the question! I like new and young referees like Francois Letexier and many others but these referees cannot handle matches like Cakir,Kuipers,Brych and Skomina!!

      And Cakir with young 43 is in a top form and everybody on the blog say always performance principles should be valid!

      This is not a question of age, it is a question of performance, to handle stress and pressure on the pitch and to communicate with the players in a way that is excellent like Cakir,Kuipers and Skomina!!

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    3. Cakir is the only "big" referee wihout appointement in MD 3 and 4 and Makkelie for exemple with 3 matches already. Did he do something wrong in his first match?

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    4. It is 99,9% that they will go to EURO 2020! It will be their last big tournament!
      Cakir, Skomina, Brych, Kuipers - UEFA OLD SCHOOL of refereeing

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    5. The Chelsea - Valencia match handled by Mister Cüneyt Cakir was a normal game with a solid/good performance by the referee!

      To be honest when blog user @crazy is speaking of 7,4 without any evidence,videos or sth. in this way I AM SPECHLESS!!!!!!

      The YC for Valencia player Coquelin after the nasty challenge against Mount was correct or at least supportable!
      Also long term blogger like Philipp S and Mikael W agreed with Cakir's decision!

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    6. Ref545 - Err no. I like Cakir but it was a mistake to not show the red card and I personally think it was also a mistake for the VAR not to get involved.
      A reminder of the challenge:
      https://streamable.com/wz20x
      Could easily have been a broken leg. So endangered the safety. Hence Serious Foul Play.

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  4. cakir got 7,4 -> Chelsea-Valencia

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    1. Unbelievable...

      Can you explain 7,4??

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    2. I think it is just a guess. Official marks should not be published...

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    3. What criteria was taken into account in this guess that @crazy comes on such a bad and absurd brand?

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    4. if you remember he missed red card for SFP and penalty for chelsea was also wrong.

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    5. Because of this Ali Palaybiyik got his debut

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  5. I have a feeling that Palabıyık was not a planned debut and he just replaced Cakir on previous matchday, since he is out from the whole MATCHDAY 3 and 4.

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    1. Cakir made mistakes in uero qualifier he missed clear red card thqts way he missed in this matches

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  6. If not for an injury, there should be very "strong" reasons behind Cakir absence on MD3 and 4.

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    1. Absolutely Chefren.


      Actually it was reported that Rosetti and Cakir have a blendedes relationship.
      Rosetti also said at the UEFA Super Cup press conference that Cakir received the message from Stephanie Frappart as the first referee, even before Frappart herself!

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    2. Is it maybe possoble that Grinfeld is a replacement for Cakir. That would explain why Grinfeld again in MD4 after MD3 and Deaconu usually observes elite referees so this could be a case...

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    3. Or Makkelie is replacing Cakir in Dortmund. Many possibilities here...
      Is anyone else missing from MD3 and MD4, who normally should get an appointment (except the previously injured Kassai and Kralovec)?

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    4. Rosetti and Cakir ....

      https://imgur.com/a/M6fCcY2

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  7. Also Madden with a 3rd appointment already.
    Besides that and Cakir's absence an expectable set of appointments.
    I would however have considered Lokomotiv-Juve the bigger match in group D and therefore switched Buquet and Skomina, but it's not clear.

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  8. Next match for Raczkowski he had good game in Leverkusen so I hope he will have good game in Munchen

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    1. Nice for him too having Frank de Bleeckere as observer.

      Is he performing better in recent times - I remember it was said that he was having a 'difficult period' for some years?

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  9. Firstly, let me say that I believe this blog as its' best when it maintains an equally critical and objective style for all referees and performances, and cheerleading - as we saw yesterday - works to the detriment of the professionalism and status of the blog.

    On another note - I really do not know what to make of Felix Zwayer handling the Real Madrid - Galatasaray game observed by Marc Batta.

    1) Is the appointment to the RLMGAL game seen as a 'reward' for recent performances? Is it seen as a standard appointment? Or even a 'punishment' for recent performances?

    2) Is Batta there because the game is seen as a test for Zwayer, in either perceived good or bad shape?
    Or to 'monitor' his general progress in a 'normal' game?

    3) Is Zwayer's EURO participation in doubt?
    Or is this a signal that the German is 'reconsidered' for sth bigger?

    I would be interested in other users' thoughts.

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    1. IMO this is a standard appointment. After Real's win in the first leg, the importance is not that high anymore. And e.g. Brych's game is less sonorous, but probably more crucial for the group outcome. The other two possible matches could rather have been seen as a "reward" (CHEAJA) or "punishment" (ATAMCI).
      About Batta, I don't know. Neither a consideration for a final nor danger for his EURO participation seems very likely.

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  10. Well I guess we have our answer. Brych is not injured.

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  11. Last year: Belgrade, 6.11. Red Star-Liverpool, referee Mateu Lahoz.
    This year: Belgrade, 6.11. Red Star-Tottenham, referee Del Cerro Grande.
    So, at the same date, at home, Red Star will play again against English team who was also runner-up (as Liverpool a year before), and we will have again referee from Spain. Everything is the same, and I hope the result will be the same (2-0 for home side :)))).

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  12. About appointment in Belgrade, I think it is interesting to underline that we will have a very trusted Elite referee, while 2 weeks ago in London for the same game we had a Category 1 at his debut.
    A matchday after and more clear standings are for sure main reason, but mostly I think that this choice is based on the fact that Serbian side is by far more and more good team at home than away games. Indeed we know the amazing atmosphere in Belgrade. Differently, in London game was very easy for referee and there weren't troubles. As committee was able to "read the game" and give a suitable appointment 15 days ago, again, it was very wise to appoint an Elite referee in this case.

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  13. For me Cakir, Kuipers, Skomina, big names, big refs. I like Kuipers and Cakir. And big compliment for Rosetti, Dallas. They gave young refs chances. I like also the VAR project, Roberto is the best in this, and good that we have more VAR experts now. So it's nothing special anymore. Next season all games VAR. Good message from UEFA

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  14. WAT
    Referee: Andre Marriner. Assistants: Scott Ledger, Simon Long. Fourth official: Keith Stroud. VAR: Andy Madley. Assistant VAR: Andy Halliday.

    CHE CRY
    Referee: Mike Dean. Assistants: Ian Hussin, Dan Robathan. Fourth official: Andy Madley. VAR: Andre Marriner. Assistant VAR: Andy Halliday.

    BUR WHU
    Referee: Kevin Friend. Assistants: Matthew Wilkes, Simon Beck. Fourth official: Stephen Martin. VAR: Lee Mason. Assistant VAR: Mark Scholes.

    NEW BOU
    Referee: Martin Atkinson. Assistants: Lee Betts, Nick Hopton. Fourth official: Ben Toner. VAR: Peter Bankes. Assistant VAR: Darren Cann.

    SOU EVE
    Referee: Paul Tierney. Assistants: Harry Lennard, Adrian Holmes. Fourth official: Tim Robinson. VAR: Simon Hooper. Assistant VAR: Andy Garratt.

    TOT SHU
    Referee: Graham Scott. Assistants: Neil Davies, Richard West. Fourth official: Darren Bond. VAR: Jonathan Moss. Assistant VAR: Simon Long.

    LEI ARS
    Referee: Chris Kavanagh. Assistants: Daniel Cook, Constantine Hatzidakis. Fourth official: Anthony Taylor. VAR: Stuart Attwell. Assistant VAR: Andy Halliday.

    MUN BHA
    Referee: Jonathan Moss. Assistants: Marc Perry, Eddie Smart. Fourth official: Kevin Friend. VAR: Peter Bankes. Assistant VAR: Neil Davies.

    WOL AVL
    Referee: Anthony Taylor. Assistants: Gary Beswick, Adam Nunn. Fourth official: David Coote. VAR: Chris Kavanagh. Assistant VAR: Sian Massey-Ellis.

    LIV MCI
    Referee: Michael Oliver (pictured). Assistants: Stuart Burt, Simon Bennett. Fourth official: Mike Dean. VAR: Paul Tierney. Assistant VAR: Constantine Hatzidakis




    Interesting appointment for Michael oliver in liv vs mc game....probably the best game of his life....for me I think good appointment for him....also I think pgmol has trust Chris kavanagh in big games...

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    1. The same names every weekend in England...
      Not surprising, that England wasn't represented by referees at last FIFA World Cup:(

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    2. The best game of his life?? Michael Oliver has had many big games like this in his refereeing career for many many years.

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    3. Max Iva - This is a misconception that is rife in the media. The reason England didn't have anyone at the World Cup is because Mark Clattenburg left and he was England's nominee. It simply wouldn't have been fair to all the other referees around the world to replace him last minute with someone who hadn't gone through the world cup selection process.

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  15. By the way, appointments for KO stage in FIFA Under 17, which start tomorrow. They are not released yet?

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    1. http://law5-theref.blogspot.com/2019/11/fifa-under-17-world-cup-brazil-2019.html?m=1

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    1. He had Champions League on MD1 and MD3.
      Next game for him will be either on MD5 or MD6.

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  17. OT

    Mattias Gestranius (UEFA, 1st) will handle the Athens derby between Panathinaikos and AEK. His assistants will be Jan-Peter Aravirta and Mikko Alakare. FO will be Tasis and VAR Diamantopoulos (UEFA, 3rd).

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  18. The second division match between Holstein Kiel and VfL Bochum experienced one of the oddest penalties ever, because an unused substitute caused it. Now, the IFAB says: The procedure should be different in the future.
    In the game between Kiel and Bochum there was a penalty, although Bochum's Silvere Ganvoula clearly missed the goal in the 37th minute - because the Kiel substitute Michael Eberwein kicked the ball to his goalkeeper Ioannis Gelios to allow him to quickly perform the goal kick. The big problem: The ball had not completely left the field.
    The video assistant told referee Timo Gerach that Eberwein had intervened in the game. In accordance with the rules Gerach decided on penalty. The intervention of the VAR initially seemed correct, it was about a penalty situation, and these may be checked by the VAR. Ganvoula strode to the point and scored the 1-1 for Bochum. But then questions came up among the referees and video assistants. Jochen Drees, Project Manager VAR at DFB, therefore asked for an assessment of IFAB.
    And now they say that they no longer want to see such interventions by the video assistant. "According to the rules everything was right," says IFAB CEO Lukas Brud in an interview with sportschau.de. "But the intervention of the VAR should not necessarily have happened, because that contradicts the sense and spirit of the rule."
    Brud talks about a paragraph in Rule 7, according to which the referee must interrupt the game, for example, if a team official or a substitute player intervenes in the game. The game should then be continued with a direct free kick or in the penalty area with a penalty kick, as happened in Kiel. The DFB has actually acted correctly in the situation - but it was wrong.
    "The substitute from Kiel instinctively stopped the ball to make the game fast, and certainly not to change the game situation to the detriment of Bochum," says Brud. There was a gap in the rules in earlier times, which allowed intervention from the outside as a team official or a substitute - punished pretty mildly by a referee ball or an indirect free kick. Only for intentional external interference that changes the game, the rule was introduced in 2016. In the situation in Kiel, therefore, a warning would have been better, said Brud.
    The basis for excluding VARs in such tight but visible scenes in the future, even though this is a penalty situation, is in the details: according to the protocol, the video assistant should only intervene when substitute players or team officials prevent a goal or attack an opponent. A ball stopped for the goalkeeper by a non-active player is therefore not part of it.
    And so it will come in future in these special and scarce situations to no use of the VAR in Germany. "The written specification of IFAB is available, and we will implement it immediately," says Drees in an interview with sportschau.de. At the same time, the head of the German video assistants points out that the substitutes behind the goal line should hold back better in the future. "That is not a license, and if the referee on the field sees such an offense, it can still be a penalty." The risk of causing a penalty remains in these situations, if more obvious than in Kiel.
    Source: https://www.sportschau.de/fussball/allgemein/dfb-ifab-elfmeter-ersatzspieler-regeln-100.html

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    1. Unbelievable news. If you go with "sense and spirit of the rule", everybody is aware that there are no real arguments. We have certain rules that have to be obeyed. VARs should continue to do it as these are clear and obvious penalties by the LOTG.

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  19. Matchweek 11 of the #PL featured 1 VAR review (VAR-only, penalty awarded). Go to the following link to watch a full video of every review, get all information about each of them and get statistics about VAR in the league. https://thefref.weebly.com/var-at-premier-league.html

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  20. 1st minute and 1st mistake from Del Cerro Grande - missed blatant foul in convincing position for Red Star for stamp on Marin's foot.

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  21. VAR in Madrid: Zwayer missed a penalty.

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    1. OFR and penalty, clear decision. However, live I was convinced that it was a dive

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    2. Zwayer took his time to watch the incident, to be honest he didn't look so much convinced. He had left the monitor, but he went again there to watch, typical behavior when a referee is in doubt.
      I wonder: once VAR has assessed it as inside the box (on the line) and in front of such clear foul, what is the reason of a long review?

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    3. I think he didn‘t like that Kroos
      took another step before going down. Did you see and yan you remember the neglected penalty by Zwayer in German cup final in added time a year a go? A very similar scene where the attacker was stamped on his foot but took a step before going down. Zwayer there did not give a penalty after OFR which caused huge controversy

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    4. Sometimes, Zwayer has got some exclusive opinions when he is called for an OFR. However, reading your words, it sounds as he took the correct decision. By the way, Stegemann is one of the very best VARs in Germany.

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    5. Here : https://streamable.com/qq912

      For me is correct Intervention by Stegemann and also penalty to Real Madrid.

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    6. Btw I can imagine that Zwayer went back to the monitor after walking away (as Chefren mentioned) because he forgot to which player he has to show the YC... I cannot imagine that he was not sure and „showed“ that in this obvious way.

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    7. I agree with Jonas, he went back to the monitor to check the number of the player that needed to be carded.

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  22. Now correct Intervention by Turpin. Well done

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  23. In Milan, VAR Turpin changed a penalty whistled by Kulbakov in free kick (foul outside the box). Very difficult situation to read. For sure holding started outside, but in my opinion it ended at least on the line. I would have confirmed penalty but maybe I'm wrong.

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    1. On the subsequent free kick, I think penalty missed by Kulbakov for deliberate handball in the wall. I think punishable.
      Guardiola saw it from the bench, now Kulbakov goes to monitor.

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    2. Inches decision, but looks correct.

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    3. Turpin is doing a great job today

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    4. Missing RC once it is consider outside

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    5. @Marco Neri as it was a holding, inside or outside no difference. If SPA, YC, if DOGSO, RC. In my opinion more SPA than DOGSO.

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    6. Handball : https://streamable.com/hddby

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    7. @Chefren, you’re right, as it was not a genuine attempt to play the ball, there’s no difference.
      To me it’s anyway a RC, even if there are arguments for YC.

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    8. He didn't show the VAR sign when he changed his decision to free kick from penalty.

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  24. Missed RC for DOGSO by Kulbakov. Penalty was given, Turpin intervened as the holding ended before the penalty area. OFR should have taken place.

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    1. In my opinion YC is OK, you can't be sure that attacker would have reached ball. I don't perceive this situation as clear DOGSO.

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    2. The directive is still valid that if you're not 100% sure that the attacker would have reached the ball, you don't issue a red one. So I think you can back the call here. At least I'm not sure if Jesus would have reached the ball before the GK

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    3. Maybe we'll have the video. My first impression was 'clear DOGSO'.

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  25. Watching a bit here and there the games but I would say a solid performance by our colleagues on the pitch this Wednesday so far. Let's hope they continue like that.

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  26. By the way very, very close onside before 1-0 for PSG. VAR confirmed the decision of the AR. Upper body of the attacker seemed rather offside, but we have to trust the VAR and the calibrated lines.

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    1. There was also another thing to analyze, a possible second touch after the original pass.

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    2. True. From the camera behind the goal it didn't seem like there was a second touch.

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  27. A couple of penalty appeals from Brych's game, both play-on decisions were confirmed by Dingert/Fritz:

    => 41' (charging/tugging)
    https://streamable.com/9r64u

    => +46' (tripping)
    https://streamable.com/x157k

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    1. Excellent decision in 46', it is rather attacker looking for penalty. Different situation in 41', if not offside, some arguments in favor of penalty, but for sure not a clear mistake. I agree with VAR in both situations.

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    2. 41' Correct decision to play on. Correct YC. Do not like the 'stand up'-gesture though.
      46' No penalty. Attacker looking for a contact.

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    3. 41' supportable call
      46' fully correct to play on

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    4. I have no issues with either call from Brych. Correct play ons.

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    5. 41 is a very clear foul. He trips him on the back of the foot. However I believe this contact was outside the penalty area. You need to look closely.

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    6. 46 missed yellow card for simulation and missed yellow card for lack of respect for the game by blocking and preventing the GK from playing the ball.

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  28. Missed penalty in Brych match, but possible offside before that.
    No replays.

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  29. Very soft penalty by Madden... VAR should support but for me no penalty.

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    1. Fully agreed. I had the same impression. Let me say that the reviews by Attwell take very long today.

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  30. Skomina shows four yellow card for 2x Leverkusen and 2x Atletico players.

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  31. Some troubles for Skomina in Leverkusen...

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  32. massive confrontation at leverkusen with skomina issuing 4 YC (2 for bayer 2 for atletico)..textbook stuff there by the Slovenian.

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  33. 2 correct 2nd YCs by Brych. Second one was softer than the first one, but also fully supportable.

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  34. 2 2nd yellow cards in Zagreb. Both supportable decisions in my opinion.

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  35. Red Card for Goalkeeper in Milan by Kulbakov

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    1. It’s never a foul. But VAR can’t do anything here :(

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  36. Red Card for Leverkusen by Skomina

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  37. RC for DOGSO by Kulbakov for the goalkeeper. Correct decision for me at first glance.
    Harsh RC for SFP by Skomina.

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    1. After criticism about the relativism yesterday I'm not so unhappy with the red one. Taking into consideration that we wouldn't discuss it if a contact happens here.

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    2. Talking about Skominas Red one if unclear what I'm referring to

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  38. Straight RC by Skomina for SFP, wrong imo

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  39. A lot of work for the referees today. Many sent-offs, some penalties and some more difficult incidents.

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  40. What a game in Zagreb! Penalty in the very last minute. Goalkeeper laying on the ground. Possible violent conduct.
    OFR should take place in my opinion. No penalty.

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    1. Penalty because foul to goalkeeper by Donezk.

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    2. I guess you're referring to the first replay shown? Ellbow quite obvious imo

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    3. Wow, penalty incident before the (wrongly assessed) incident that lead to a penalty. Correct OFR and penalty + YC for elbowing.

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    4. Yes, I'm sorry. I referred to the initial decision. Lots of things going on. 9' additional time.

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    5. Maybe RC for violent conduct wouldn't have been wrong?
      However, closer replay was not shown.

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    6. Here also a good argument to have more transparency about VAR in the stadium. Quite sure ppl still think Brych gave the penalty based on the initial incident

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    7. Yes, Chefren would have been possible. But assessing it as reckless is not wrong for me. Depends on the interpretation. Let me say that today was a crazy matchday.

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    8. Great work by German VARs tonight. For me penalty in Madrid and this one wer correct of course.
      Also right procedure after the wrong call to review the punishable incident before.

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    9. Agree Brych and Team did a great job in a challenging game

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    10. Agreed. I think they did really well. Especially in Zagreb that's the result of much experience in the domestic divisions. Also without the impressions today, I would say that Stegemann and Dingert are the very best VARs in Germany. I don't remember a wrong intervention by both of them since a long time. Honestly speaking, I could not say that about Dankert.

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    11. Video : https://streamable.com/dhbm0

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    12. Once again, I stick to my opinion ;-)
      Clear penalty after OFR. YC is still supportable for me as the force was not excessive.

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    13. Sorry - but how is that YC supportable?

      Even CLEAR violent conduct for an excessive force strike.

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    14. So, I'm sure some here will think I'm crazy, but...

      Based on what I know about VAR procedures and how this went down, I think the following happened:

      1. Brych awards the penalty for the foul by #36 on the wing.

      2. The VAR notices the elbow against the attacking goalkeeper and tells Brych that there was a clear case of violent conduct off-the-ball.

      3. Brych undertakes the OFR, disagrees with the VAR, and decides it is a yellow card.

      That's it.

      The penalty that Brych awarded here was not overturned. It was not "changed" to the other penalty. Now, we KNOW that if he did decide to overturn the penalty he called, the result would have still been a penalty. But we need to be very careful. The VAR did not recommend Brych review and overturn his initial penalty decision. Brych never did an OFR for the initial penalty decision.

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  41. A clip from Skomina's game

    => 84' Red Card for LEV No.11 (Serious Foul Play)
    https://streamja.com/eJgp

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    1. I stick to my opinion. Still supportable but really harsh RC.

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    2. Suggested by FO? For me, very harsh.
      We saw many worse foul punished by YC.
      However, absolutely correct by VAR to support as there are maybe some arguments in favor of this decision.
      Skomina had some troubles in this game, it was very difficult for him to manage the mass confrontation happened earlier.

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    3. For me is very harsh RC and YC was better.

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    4. Watching the full speed replay, I am honestly at a loss as to how you can call this RC wrong.

      Look at the intensity of the tackle...

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  42. As a Croat, I must agree that Brych was great today.My countrymans May be subjective and will say all the wrong things about him, but IMO it was great to watch him today.
    Fully under control in a challenging match.

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    1. Two pk situations in 1st half are maybe supportable, but if there was a stepping from behind in 41' then its a penalty, no "intensity" talks necessary. Also in context of those situations, I think its obvious that initial pk is really bad decision and not elite level IMO. However, looking at earlier incident and elbow, clear penalty for that incident so even possible RC for violent conduct.

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    2. initial pk in 95', of course

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  43. Very good performance by Brych in a challenging match. Good VAR as well.

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  44. My dear friends, I was live at the stadium in Zagreb, but I had my eye on my mobile phone for replays. It was obvious that initialy penalty was not whistled for the foul on the goalkeeper. But after OFR it was obvious that it was a clear penalty. But all in all, great match for Brych in Zagreb tonight.

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    1. You heard what Bjelica said about VAR ?

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    2. Yes, I believe UEFA also heard it, I would not be surprised if they punish him for his statements. Shortly, he said on national television that VAR is bullshit, although if I understood right, he admited that Brych's final decission on that penalty was correct.

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    3. Can you write here his words?

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    4. Bjelica in Polish league past every matches told a lot of about Var. Var is bad, scandalosa etc. :) he told, that he od going working to country,only where not Var :):)

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    5. Bjelica first of all has a grudge that var in similar situations in match once reacts and once not. This is interpretation. He think that in every match is a lot of this situations.

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  45. Some of the incidents from the Wednesday Matches.
    Bayer Leverkusen v Atletico Madrid -
    https://streamable.com/771lt
    Looked like a difficult situation to handle.
    https://streamable.com/6b27s
    I would prefer a yellow card but am not upset at a red card.
    Real Madrid v Galatasaray -
    https://streamable.com/u9mvw
    Lokomotiv Moscow v Juventus -
    https://streamable.com/o7twe
    Paris Saint-Germain v Club Brugge -
    https://streamable.com/4o361
    I'm not quite sure where the contact is.
    Atalanta v Manchester City -
    https://streamable.com/sw1em
    Is this DOGSO or SPA?
    https://streamable.com/2pbqu
    2 VAR interventions in a very short space of time.
    https://streamable.com/5s5wo

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  46. Brazil - Chile (Andris Treikanis).
    Based on only these highlights: https://youtu.be/oUx4QVBcBnk

    7' DFK awarded to BRA just before penalty area for handball. The handball itslef is supportable, but for me it looked like the contact was inside thepenalty area (but no very good replays shown for that). VAR didn't intervene, probably because there were no conclusive evidence; maybe I am wrong and it indeed was outside. Brazil scored, and I think that was good for Treimanis.
    45+2' Clear penalty awarded, missed clear YC for SPA to CHI GK.
    14' Chile goal disallowed due to very, very tight offside after VAR-only review (initial decision - goal).

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    1. No, Treimanis, as you can see lower. Just a spelling mistake. :)

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    2. 45+2' was ball-oriented, therefore no YC for SPA in the penalty area.

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