Tuesday, 12 March 2019

Champions League 2018/19 - Referee Appointments - Round of 16 (Second Leg, III)

Referee appointments for second legs of 2018-19 UEFA Champions League Round of 16. Games to be played on Tuesday 12  March. Thank to Kronikasedziowska.
12 March 2019, 21:00 CET - Manchester (Etihad Stadium)
Manchester City FC (ENG) - FC Schalke 04 (GER)
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Nicolas Rainville (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Tomasz Mikulski (POL)
UEFA Delegate: Zoran Cvrk (CRO)

12 March 2019, 21:00 CET - Turin (Juventus Stadium)
Juventus FC (ITA) - Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP)
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Dennis Higler (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stefan Messner (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Michał Listkiewicz (POL)

133 comments:

  1. So Turpin for Manchester, important appointment for this game, as I expected Turpin in Bayern - Liverpool. This means that UEFA doesn't want to take any risk and they are right, even in such games.
    For Wednesday, we should have Marciniak for sure, and then an Italian or Spanish? Maybe Marciniak in Munchen.

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    1. Probably a problem for Turpin was, that he had Bayern on MD6 and sent Müller off (who is still banned).
      However after the issues in the first leg, it is probably not a bad idea to send a big name to Manchester anyway. And Turpin should still have chances for something bigger in the next rounds.
      For Wednesday I agree: Either Marciniak in Munich and Orsato in Barcelona or Mateu in Munich and Marciniak in Barcelona.

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    2. I expected something bigger for Turpin since IMO it is the less sonorous clash of the round of 16.

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    3. Turpin had 4 R16 teams on MD5&6, then there are 2 French teams and Atletico - all 7 in different matches and all unlikely/impossible for Turpin to get. Therefore only Schalke-Manchester remained somehow - a bit unlucky for him.

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    4. Without French teams he has full chances for a CL semifinal...

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    5. I think Turpin should have gotten the game in Turin and Kuipers in Munich.

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  2. So I guess Marciniak should be appointed for Bayern-Liverpool. My guess for Barcelona-Lyon is Kralovec. Since someone earlier stated that there is VAR in Czech league. IMO, taht is why Vassaras observed him in EL, to inform Rosetti if Kralovec is ready for CL appointment.

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  3. Makkelie everywhere, every week. Why not give UEFA all of games to Makkelie? I dont understand.

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    1. Because he is an excellent referee and an excellent VAR.

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    2. Haha I feel some jealousy here mister Szanto :-p

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    3. Hungary-Portugal in September 2017 with Makkelie in the middle still hurts Márk?

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    4. Hungary - Portugla, what happened there?

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    5. Red card for Hungary for violent conduct.

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    6. Makkelie is best VAR. My opinion ;)

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    7. I dont have problem with Makkelie. But in my opinion this is unfair with other UEFA Elit referees.For example: Zwayer VS Makkelie.
      Makkelie: 12.02 Referee: Roma-Porto, 19.02 VAR Lyon-Barcelona, 05.03 Referee: Dortmund-Tottenham, 12.03 VAR Juventus-Atlético.
      Zwayer: 20.02 Referee: Atlético-Juventus.
      Zwayer and Makkelie made his promotion in same year, in Germany and Netherlands use VAR, and they are the top VAR specialist in UEFA, and they are both top referee. This is why I dont understand why need give match to Makkelie everyweek. ( BTW I agree that he is a very talented referee and a VAR specialist)

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  4. Hopefully not Marciniak in Munich. Wasn’t impressed with him in PSG v Liverpool, missed a clear Paris RC and wasn’t going to award Liverpool a clear penalty until AAR intervention.

    My thoughts are Kuipers would have been ideal for this fixture but as Spanish can’t do Juve-Atlético, then Spanish for this match - Undiano Mallenco? If not, Mateu.

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  5. Another option would be Undiano in Munchen as CL farewell game for him.
    Do you think this could be too much? Do you see this as possible?
    In that case, Marciniak in Barcelona.

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    1. Too much with only 1 GS match and considering that there are good arguments to call this the biggest game of the round (two semifinalists from last year, completely open after first leg).
      I think, even Rocchi is more likely than Undiano there.

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    2. Do we know if Marciniak is back, he was injured if I am not wrong. Maybe Marciniak in Barcelona and Lahoz in Munchen? As I said earlier, I would not exclude Kralovec as a possibility in Barcelona. With all due respect to both teams, but I do not expect to difficult match there.

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    3. After what happened this week I think committee won't take any risk even in Barcelona.

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    4. Marciniak handled an Ekstraklasa game on Friday with Sokolnicki and Listkiewicz (+ Gil as VAR), so I would expect him to be appointed.

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  6. With all the respect for Higler, maybe Blom would have been a better option as fourth official there.

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    1. Van Boekel would make more sense, since he is very experienced. Makkelie and Blom are a good team.
      But I don't remember any match in which Kuipers and Blom worked together.

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    2. Would not Gözübüyük be the most logical option, as Dutch with the best appointments (besides Kuipers and Makkelie) currently?
      Unless he has EL, of course..

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    3. If that's the criterium, yes. But Gozobuyuk isn't known as a great teammember. And for Kuipers and Gozobuyuk counts the same: they don't work together a lot.

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  7. Marriner is a legend! I am sorry but he is League 5 referee level. What a blatant foul on Liverpool GK he missed, that is really incredible! The goal from corner kick that could decide the title. Premier League refs are disgrace, most of them. Hey, you have Mike Dean in 50 years refereeing the most important clashes... And marriner is 48! That means that there are no quality refs in England at all!

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    1. Yes, clear foul. Unacceptable.

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    2. Mike Dean is a showbiz, he makes higher rating.

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    3. There should be some sort of age limit like in other European leagues. Then we have overweight and immobile refs like Jon Moss refereeing big games.

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    4. The Problem is at the top with Mike Riley in that he promotes referees e.g. Coote and Hooper and they will be lucky to have 10 prem games this season, same happened with Kavanagh, Attwell and Tierney. You have A Madley and Robert Jones refereeing in the championship when they are head and shoulders better than most referees on the select group. Its just bizarre as Oliver who is a future CL final ref needs the likes of Kavanagh, Madley and Jones to give him competition in the future but Riley goes with loyalty over quality. Need someone like Halsey to take over as he sees the problem that there is no progression planning and the quality of refereeing since Webb retired and then Clattenburg left has significantly reduced

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  8. and then where do the Portuguese referees come in?

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  9. Is there a video where we can see the problem betwwen Brych and his assistants?

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    1. No, that happenend "behind the scenes" (whatever exactly).
      You could watch Leipzig-Hoffenheim from MD23, if you want to see their last Bundesliga match together.

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    2. In the highlights of this match they show only FIFA matches, poor clickbait.
      It was interesting to see that Aytekin changes his assistants almost every match.

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  10. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x73wbvv
    Clear foul missed by Marriner. VAR would have helped.
    I must say, England should do something to improve refeereing at high level.

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    1. Something different from VAR?

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    2. People say "we need VAR". I say something else: firstly, we need decent referees. This foul on Allison is obvious. Any decent referee should see it.
      VAR is asked by so many people because the number of mistakes is too big. Why is too big ? Because he have referees like Marriner or Tierney (who allowed yesterday the goal of Sterling, who was in clear offside).

      The level is low not only in England. We saw mistakes even in Champions League. VAR corrected big mistakes in the games from last 16 (Zwayer, Skomina, Del Cerro Grande).

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    3. Unacceptable not to detect and to whistle.
      LoTG: Goalkeeper may not be touched by an opponent inside his goal area !!

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    4. Jaak, just to clarify: you are kidding, right?

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    5. Another one from Chelsea- Wolves. When Hazard scored the equalizer for Chelsea, it seems that Rudiger is in offside position. The problem is that he interfered with the gk's view.
      In Italy this situation would have been OFR for sure. Very probably a disallowed goal (like goal of Okaka in Torino- Udinese).

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    6. No this is actually not true he clearly didn't make any move or even attempts towards the ball.. What did u expect rufiger to do just disappear into thin air.. u can't call that offside offence the goalie had no qualms he was beaten by a quality strike

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    7. As far as I know ,the last point (could the GK prevent the goal or not) is not relevant, when judging an offside position.

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    8. Don't think Rudiger was offside, I think there was a Wolves player on the other side of the pitch playing him on. Tight one though.

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  11. Very interesting situation in LEV-VIL in LaLiga (30'): goal disallowed for offside. If anybody has a video, it will be interesting to watch the situation.

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  12. Another very soft and probably nonexistent penalty in Arsenal Man Utd match. PL referees and especially Jon Moss are some of the worst top flight refs in Europe.

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    1. In all fairness to Jon moss when you stick out a leg like dat u tend to give away a penalty especially when u did not make contact with d ball. Will VAR have supported the decision. Most certainly

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    2. His leg did not make any contact with the Arsenal player though. Not sure how you came up with this explanation.

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  13. Val - RMA match. Referee wanted to check some incident but there wasnt anyone in VAR room????? Can some spanish readers explain?

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    1. TV broadcaster showed the wrong VOR which was, obviously, empty. That's all.

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  14. Results of poll for the best officiating in CL Round of 16 - Week III:
    Felix Brych (REA- AJA) 93 votes 53%
    Danny Makkelie (BOR - TOT) 37 votes 21%
    Damir Skomina (PSG - UTD) 30 votes 17%
    Cüneyt Çakır (POR - ROM) 15 votes 9%

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  15. I don't share your enthusiasm in terms of C. Turpin. I believe this appointment doesn't mean UEFA sends one of their best even for this game, but I believe he can be lucky he got a R16 at all.

    His season has been good, he is clearly progressing. But Ajax-Bayern was not meeting expectations in many Areas. Missed red card close to 4th official, amateurish blackout at the last Goal (2m offside missed, easy situation). Not fully in control always.

    So, in my opinion he can be happy that UEFA gave his team a KO game nonetheless. Clearly he was never an option for Bayern-Liverpool or Juventus-Atlético with such a last group stage performance (even if 2 good penalties, 2 good/easy reds).

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    1. Maybe the first RC was easy but I saw the day before in Liverpool Skomina give a YC for the same type of fault.
      What is the minute of the missed red card? I completely missed it :D

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    2. I don't remember the minute, but it was stud-foul on Muller, AR1 did not even signal foul. Yellow was given I think but not sure

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    3. Or was it Goretzka? I think Goretzka, sorry.

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    4. What on earth are you are talking about mate?!??
      Turpin gave two penalties, both correct.
      Gave two red cards, both correct, all in the same game.
      What more do you want from him?
      I watched the game and can't remember a missed red card. The only thing I saw wrong was a possible offside. I still have the clips from that game:
      https://streamable.com/4khmq
      https://streamable.com/471mx
      https://streamable.com/vhyho
      https://streamable.com/jspxq
      https://streamable.com/eoqmn

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    5. What I am talking about? MINUTE 66:30. I found it, but I don't know how to make clip. Foul on Goretzka. Screenshot: https://imgur.com/Gt7lqVN

      For the offside it was almost 3 metres and a clear deflection. Clear blackout by ref/AR2/AAR2. Should not happen at this level. Why you call this a possible offside?

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    6. Uhm, a red card was given here... It’s this situation in Jackson’s clips:
      https://streamable.com/vhyho

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    7. Actually, Turpin gave a straight RC in the action you say.

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  16. MLS Highlights Week 2:

    Chicago vs Orlando (Referee: Robert Sibiga)
    SPA vs. DOGSO:
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/03/09/video-review-review-confirms-jorge-corrales-sent-dogso?autoplay=true

    New England vs Columbus (Referee: Dave Gantar [FIFA])
    Illegal Use of Arm RC v YC: https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/03/09/video-review-referee-overturns-red-card-brandon-bye?autoplay=true

    Dallas vs. Los Angeles Galaxy (Referee Armando Villareal [FIFA])
    PK: https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/03/09/penalty-kick-diego-polenta-kicks-matt-hedges-box?autoplay=true\

    Salt Lake vs. Vancouver (Referee: Drew Fischer [FIFA])
    PK: https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/03/09/pk-foul-jake-nerwinski-brings-down-corey-baird-box?autoplay=true

    San Jose vs. Minnesota (Referee: Marcos De Oliveira)
    PK: https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/03/09/pk-foul-penalty-awarded-minnesota-after-vr-confirms-lopez-handball?autoplay=true

    Kansas City vs. Philadelphia (Referee: Christopher Penso)
    PK: https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/03/10/penalty-auston-trusty-concedes-early-penalty?autoplay=true
    PK: https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/03/10/penalty-seth-sinovic-handles-inside-penalty-area?autoplay=true
    RC: https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/03/10/red-card-maro-fabian-shown-straight-red?autoplay=true

    Los Angeles FC vs. Portland (Referee: Jair Marrufo [FIFA])
    RC (2nd YC): https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/03/10/red-card-diego-chara-sent-his-second-yellow?autoplay=true

    All decisions correct IMO except Fischer's penalty. I see no contact made there, and am quite surprised there was no OFR...

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  17. OT
    Some news from China

    Mazic in China series
    CSL Matchday 2 Shenzhen vs Tianjin
    88' RC to Tianjin player for denying a goal by hands on goal line (Suarez style). No video unfortunately.
    Btw, Shenzhen achieved a comeback win by scoring the PK and a goal in the last minute.

    Fu Ming Controversies
    Fu Ming, if you remember him from the Asian Cup, is now in big trouble this week.

    It starts with CSL Matchday 2 Shandong vs Henan. Two controversial penalty decisions after OFR. He awarded Henan a PK for handling and shortly after that he denied a PK for Shandong in the last few minutes.
    PK for handling https://streamable.com/hhnr7
    Denied PK https://streamable.com/v33si

    Again I didn't watch the game so I won't comment on Fu Ming's performance.
    As you can imagine, the fans and the team of Shandong wouldn't be very happy about these decisions. Protests prevailed in social media, claiming he is corrupted and received bribery (in Chinese there's a word "black whistle").
    In the next day, someone dug out a paper Fu Ming published in 2014 (maybe during his master degree). The paper was put in some anti-plagiarism software and found out 54.84% of similarity, which is basically plagiarism. Another storm in social media prevailed.
    Now, no official statements from CFA but they started to examine Fu Ming's decisions. The university stated they are investigating the plagiarism claim. Some people question the conclusion of plagiarism because of the software and the settings used (there are good and bad anti-plagiarism softwares).

    If there's any progress about this incident, I will post it asap.

    The only thing I want to say is, it's damn hard to be a good referee in China (probably around the world as well).

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    1. Thanks for the update Ligo!

      => Regarding Fu Ming:

      * 78' This is NEVER a penalty in my opinion. I managed to view it on frame-by-frame and the ball even hits the defenders head before going off the arm. I assume it was give from the advice of Ma Ji AR1, but I am partly at a loss to find an explanation here. Even worse, that it was confirmed after an On-Field Review. Absolutely shocking, I'm sorry.

      * 86' I agree with the assessment on the pitch, not enough for a penalty here. Good that Fu remained strong even having been called for an OFR, after the first penalty, he took the correct decision.

      I found a further interesting situation reported in the media:

      https://youtu.be/DUlQW7ixqdo?t=8530

      * +95' Decisive winning goal for Shandong disallowed for a push.
      This is a real nightmare for the referee...
      If you look at the sequence of events (in the link above) corner awarded is much contested by the Henan players; it is wrong. I am certain that Fu immediately decided to whistle a defensive freekick before the corner was taken, in order to absolve himself from controversy of 'deciding' the match by a wrong decision. I would be lying to say that I never used this tactic in my games before. The fact that he blows virtually as soon as the ball is kicked also points towards that verdict. The problem is, of course that Shandong score what would have been a winning goal (in England we have a saying for this, "Sod's Law"). The irony being that having taken evaluated three crucial situations against Shandong, two wrongly, he has merely increased the controversy against his name.

      I wait to see what will happen in the plagiarism case, making no comments.

      => I found the Milorad Mažić situation, in case anyone is interested
      https://youtu.be/uwd1S8Dxeu4?t=231

      => I watched the Guangzhou Evergrande - Tianjin Teda match handled by Ma Ning. Good performance in my opinion. I was much more impressed with Ma than in Qatar - Lebanon, his prevention and management were so much better compared to his Asian Cup exploits. I see why AFC gave him a CL Final. My feeling is that other names like Makhadmah, Al-Jassim, Taqi or Al-Kaf are ahead of him on the road to WC 2022 though, but a lot can happen between now and then, especially at the U17/U20 WCs later this year.

      => Do you know the place where the full appointments for Chinese Super League are revealed? I was looking for ages and couldn't find it.

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    2. Thank you very much about the analysis, Mikael.

      Unfortunately, it seem the CFA doesn't publish the referee appointments in advance until shortly before the game. I know a Weibo account (basically Chinese version of Twitter) that publish referee appointment, but it would be very difficult if you don't understand Chinese.

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    3. @Mikael W, Ligo I watched the whole game Shenzhen vs Tianjin. Mazic was perfect. Stronge personality, superb positioning, impeccable fitness, excellent body language and man management. It was a pleasure to watch Milorad Mažić. I am very happy! Big gains for CFU and Chinese football. Referees in China have the opportunity to learn a lot, looking one of the best referees in the world. IMO, Björn and Milorad are the best referees in the world, in this moment. The first game was the adjustment, the time difference, adaptation, problem with communication, but the players always trust him. Well done Björn and Milorad!

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    4. "Trio Grande": Mazic, Clatts and Bjorn. 👌

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  18. Correct decision by Kuipers to whistle a foul against Juventus and then to disallow a goal scored after that. In my opinion Cristiano Ronaldo touched the ball when Oblask had alreade the possession.
    Makkelie took a long time to analyze but he did well. Very, very important

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    1. Thought the whistle was blown before the goal was scored so not much to do either way.

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  19. Has Kuipers whistled before the ball entered the goal? If so, that should (IMO) be classified as a crucial mistake nowadays. Mind you, it SHOULD, not that it is.

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    1. I didn't notice that, so in that case VAR was not allowed to analyze the situation.

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    2. Spanish TV commentators said so... and it was my impression also. However, I would need to check again. It was close, that's for sure. This opens a question: does VAR have the audio in the replays? Because it is necessary in these situations.

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    3. It would be a big mistake by UEFA, if they had no audio. In the early time of VAR in Bundesliga, there was a similar situation, where audio was missing, which led to a wrong decision. Afterwards it was added to their feed.

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  20. Goal correctly disallowed by Kuipers.

    But, I wouldn't have just stood and ask players to calm down...

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  21. Very soft penalty whistled by Turpin, it will be interesting to see whether VAR will confirm it...

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    1. Too soft imho. Here we see the limitation oft VAR. Sometimes no clear definition of "clear errors" possible.

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    2. ... but of course no one promised that.

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  22. 2-0 by Manchester City: long review because possible offside.
    Goal confirmed.

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    1. I don‘t watch the game but Schalke fans say it was offside via social media. Was it? I normally don‘t trust fans of one team that is involved...

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    2. No he was level with the right back on the other side of the pitch, that's probably why it took so long

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    3. Good :) Because „clear“ decisions like offside shouldn‘t be comtroversial so I wondered why there‘s a big discussion and why Video review took so long

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    4. Was a very tight situation, therefore it took some time. The lines were shown some minutes later during the broadcast.

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  23. Chiellini's got blood on his shirt, Kuipers didn't realize.

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  24. Wow, goal confirmed by GLT.

    Excellent, I didn't notice it live.

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  25. Morata should have been booked there.

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    1. Indeed. I've also counted at least 4 fouls by Morata in this game. I was thinking that next foul should be persistent infringement and then he pushed Chiellini. Should have been a card. Game is starting to heat up.

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  26. Not YC for either Morata ir Chiellini???
    There is leniency, but this is too much...

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  27. And now SPA from Juve player not punished.
    Atletico's players gave every right to protest.

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  28. From my point of view, very soft PK...but Atlético player didn't complain.

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  29. Go ahead and try to sell the false and misguided narrative that this PK was different than the one Roma didn't get last week.

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    1. Well, if it's 50/50 they should support the decision.

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    2. 50/50, you don't make the call. Unsure, you don't make the call. And Kuipers was indeed unsure. As he didn't he didn't whistle right away.

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    3. IMO it was not a PK for Roma, and neither tonight

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  30. Live, the penalty looked quite blatant. Replay maybe gives a different idea, but I think correct by VAR to support it. Not a genuine SPA inside the box, YC.

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  31. The commentators and players all acted like it was a stonewall penalty but in replays I dont really see the contact. Was this really a penalty? At the very least I expected an OFR. Very weird...

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  32. The inconsistency amongst UEFA referee's is painfully obvious. Similar plays are conveniently interpreted and The Law's of the Game are bent and twisted.

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  33. I'm sorry but that is a clear push in the back in the box. It's definitely a pen. Just because its not a very hard push, it's still a foul and when the player is running like that even a slight touch will make him lose his balance. Almost no complaints by Atletico players tells the story as well. You could even see on the broadcast when Godin halfheartedly tried to mount a protest, Kuipers said something and you saw Godin smile.

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  34. I think it is not a penalty, but I did not expect an OFR. There is contact and in the replays (slow-motion) it looks soft. But the referee saw it live and decided. It cannot be a clear mistake nor a missed incident, so...


    BTW, possible penalty for Atlético in the final minutes. Chiellini blocks Correa without any intention to play the ball, which was already in control of Szczęsny. Not clear enough for an OFR, though.

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  35. Only one thing: thank you, Mr. Kuipers ! Best referee in the world.

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  36. One week, oh too soft Roma, didn't merit a PK.
    Following week, yeah it's soft, but fully deserved.
    Consistency? Meh, never heard of it.

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    1. I think that the possible penalty for Roma was a different situation, but maybe I'm missing something... today Kuipers clearly punished the push.

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    2. In both cases there was an oh so ever slightest of contacts. Whether it was the clipping of Roma's players ankle or the the push into the Juventus players back. In both cases contact existed. In both it was soft. Yet one is whistled while one is not. Where is the consistency in that?

      This is a blog full of "pundits" posing as referee's expressing opinions that are typically not backed by The Laws of the Game.

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  37. VAR is senseless. The protocol is bad. In 2 similar situations we can have different decisions. For example: if Cakir whistled PK for Roma, VAR wouldn't react. But he didn't and VAR didn't react also! The same was tonight. If Kuipers didn't whistle PK, VAR wouldn't react. Decision on pitch, if it is not 100% wrong - stays. That is not normal. VAR in many occasions made real mess. VAR is not only for referees, it is for audience, too. For everyone should be clear why is one decision brought. And I believe that most of people do not understand it. That makes VAR abnormal. We should have challenge, like in tennis, American football, voleyball - that is fair thing. This kind of VAR is not!

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    1. I was just thinking the same. If Kuipers would have said play on, nearly 100% sure there wouldn't be OFR and VAR would have supported the original decision.
      However I don't get it if we have possibility to use OFR why it is not used in such cases. I mean at least the ref could have his own exact perception, not only the one moment what he saw in live.
      For me that's not a penalty, but it's only my opinion on this incident.

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    2. The idea of VAR is not to re-assess every crucial decision. The idea is
      a) to remove most of the crucial mistakes
      b) help the referee in situations, which he did not see

      If there is a problem here, then it is, that we have too much grey area, so that in many situations both decisions are supportable. But that is independent from VAR.
      Without VAR, nothing in those two situations would have been different.

      A challenge system would give no improvement. Even if the referees were forced to take an OFR, it is quite possible, that they would not change their decision.

      OFRs in every doubtful situation would be a quite different approach to VAR. One would have even more stoppages. The question is, whether the usefulness of the additional OFRs would justify this effort - given, that the probability of a changed decision is lower than for the OFRs, that are already done today. But certainly worth a discussion.

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  38. Regardless of the penalty, i thought Kuipers managed the game well and prevented it from boiling over. Yes, more cards could have been given but he managed to keep the game flowing with all 22 players on the pitch. Overall, his experience showed and thats why he is one of the best.

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  39. Football is a sport of contact, don’t forget that... The qualification cannot possibly be decided on such a slight push in the back...
    BTW, we see Juve player making a foul on himself (legs), which shows the absence of foul and the unsportive behaviour.
    At the very very least it should have been an OFR, especially for such a crucial decision... at min 85.........

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  40. I'm just not seeing what you people are seeing. It is a clear push in the back.
    https://streamable.com/uwmjk
    Ignore the commentators and look at Godin's reaction (he's smiling), look at Correa's reaction, dread because he knows what he did is stupid.
    Dot point 4 under direct free kick offences; pushes.
    It was a penalty.

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    1. It's a clear push. At a certain speed that (more or less soft) push makes you fall. You should play football by yourself in order to understand this kind of fouls. Otherwise, you say "soft push"...

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    2. Maybe if some peple disagree with "clear penalty" at least they should agree that this is never a clear mistake, as you have this push on the back with the player running at that speed. Enough for making attacker fall down, enough to whistle a penalty.
      In case of play on by Kuipers, it would have been a more difficult task for VAR to understand what to do, but in my opinion the decision could have been backed as well.
      For those who are writing that VAR is a nosense because you have such situations in which referee has the final decision, the classic "grey areas". This is impossible to change, because another referee can have a dfferent idea and what for me is a penalty, for you it is not... even if coaches will call VAR instead of referees themselves, the final decision will be always taken by referees. You just have to accept that.

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    3. I am fine with the penalty, never a mistake anyway. The defender should never take the risk of pushing an opponent from behind in the penalty area.

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    4. The player fell because he tripped on his own leg where he was not touched. If you think this happened because of the push then fine it's a penalty. Otherwise it's play on.

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    5. I am fine with that - referee should always take final decision. But, only the ref on the pitch. Not the ref in the studio! If there is challenge and manager ask for an OFR, I would be fine with any referee decision - he would be the only one who takes the full responsibility for his final decision! What do we have today? The responsibility is split among ref on the pitch and VAR ref and we only argue if the protocol is respected. If so, then we conclude there is no mistake. But, this is not the truth! It is wrong! We already have numerous obvious mistakes that are not annulled by the VAR, we are all witnesses. The ref in the middle should be called for OFR in all important, doubtful situations. Grey area? Yes, fine, it will exist always, but let the ref to make the best final decision by allowing him to re-watch on the screen crucial incident.

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    6. Nothing new to add but I agree with the penalty. Defender gave Kuipers every reason to call this by his unnecessary action. No OFR needed as Kuipers saw it and contact existed making it at least not a clear mistake. Also I cant compare this with Roma penalty at all, so I dont understand the frustration by some readers. Two really different situations.

      But overall surprisingly lenient performance by Kuipers indeed.

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  41. Mr Petschovschi , we laugh your comments.

    First thing is, probably you are writing all this because of you are one of the best fan for Juventus :)

    Second thing is surely, we have watched different games tonight. Mr Kuipers didnt give more then 5 “ black and white “ yellow cards for both team.

    Beside all this things, even baby referees doesnt do that what he did in last seconds.
    I am very sorry about his performance tonight.

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    1. Sorry because he got right call for penalty? LMAO

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    2. After Marciniak, Cakir, Oliver, Zwayer I just hoped for a decent performance of the referee. I wanted Kuipers for this game because he is the referee that I trust most. I already wrote that in some previous thread.
      For me, the performance of Kuipers tonight was, at least, decent. Without big mistakes, good control etc. This wasn't an easy game, this game was very difficult to whistle. Kuipers did his job.
      Once again, thank you Mr. Kuipers !

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    3. What a difference a year makes. One year ago, Oliver was public enemy number one to you for his PK call against Real Madrid. Yet one later the call goes in your favor and you bow down and worship Kuipers. The Law's of the Game don't have favorite teams, players or referee's.

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    4. That's not true.
      My complain was about the difference of interpretation of similar situation. In 1st leg cakir didn't whistle a clear penalty for juventus in the last second, in 2nd leg oliver whistled a (doubtful) penalty in last minut.
      Thinking at that penalty not given by Cakir in 1st leg (and it wasn't only that penalty), I said that would have been better if Oliver would have not whistle that penalty. Similar situations deserve same decisions.

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    5. Penalty whistled by Oliver was more penalty than this one. If the same thing happened on the other side of the pitch, you would spam this entire blog. Maybe you should not react when you are watching Juventus because you are clearly biased.

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    7. ... and the penalty not given by Cakir in last second of Juventus- Real was more penalty than both of them (more than that, in Juventus- Real, another penalty for a handball of Varane could have been whistled in last minutes of 1st half)

      If you are unable to understand, I repeat. This discussion was about the late penalties from both legs of Juventus- Real. One not given by Cakir (very clear), one given by Oliver (doubtful).
      I didn't compare the penalty made by Correa yesterday (clear push with the hand) with the penalty made by Benatia. But at least Benatia argued with the referee, Correa not ...

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    8. This is what I mean. You react to emotional when it is about Juventus. I never say anything about Cakir because simple I feel like I would be biased. Therefore I would like to keep my opinion to myself. On the other hand, you always make everything personal and try to justify your view by bringing up things that happened in the past. I refuse to be a part of this.

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    9. No one asked you to enter in this conversation. You decided by yourself. You're free to go out from conversation. Anyway, from now on, please ignore me. I will do the same. I'm pissed off by all these allegations that I'm biased.

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    10. Your actions and words speak for themselves. And you try to act like the victim. You were fortunate yesterday, the call went in favor of YOUR team. But I'll say it again, The Laws of the Game do not and should not have favorite teams, players and/or referee's. Nor should any serious referee allow favoritism cloud his judgement in order to see things in a way that suits him/her.

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  42. Well tonight again Kuipers proved to me why I'm not his fan.

    I cant remember that I have seen more lenient performance than his tonight.
    I mean he forgave atlest 4-5 clear YC,some for SPA,some for confrontation and complaining.
    I get it,that is his style,but too much is too much.

    He was lucky that Atletico players didn't behave even worse,because we saw when decisions and criterium is not going well for them they lose their cool and their "Simeone spirit" start to kick in.
    Best example is Copa Del Rey against Barca some years ago,or even CL when Torres got sent off.

    Penalty was correct IMO,but again,level of leniency and allowing players to escape without booking is unacceptable,especially Morata and Chiellini.

    But then again,no crucial mistake and for sure he will get more big matches in near future.

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    1. “He was lucky that Atletico players didn’t behave even worse....”
      Was he lucky or was it his own merit, managing the players? For me the answer is clear.
      And you can disagree on the lenient approach, fair enough, but tonight it was shown that you don’t necessarily need cards to maintain a calm and controlled match.

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    2. God forbid if only the most experienced referee right now in UEFA Champions league couldn't handle the heat of a KO match with only the necessary YCs. Come on, you may like or dilsike his approach but these matches are '' boy toys'' for him.

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    3. Just because he smiles and giggles throughout his matches it glosses over his shortcomings for most. All while bending, twisting or straight up trampling The Laws of the Game.

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  43. With Juventus qualification, it will be interesting to see the choices by committee. Indeed most of the referees allowed to handle in this KO stage for some reasons, seem to be not available.
    Marciniak can't handle Juventus again after past seasons (for me, there wouldn't be problem but committee will avoid that), Cakir has been highly criticized by Italian press and media, Brych had the situation with Cristiano Ronaldo in group stage.
    We have then only: Turpin, Skomina, Makkelie, Mateu. The latter possible if Juventus wont meet, in case, Barcelona.
    But if Juventus will play all the remaining 5 games, there will be for sure some "forced" choices.

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