Referee appointments at 2021 CONCACAF Gold Cup.
Miami, FL – The Concacaf Referee Committee has announced the match officials who will be in charge of the 2021 Gold Cup Quarterfinal matches to be played on Saturday, July 24, 2021.
Match: | Qatar vs El Salvador |
Referee: | Fernando HERNANDEZ (Mexico) |
Assistant Referee 1: | Michel MORALES (Mexico) |
Assistant Referee 2: | Henri PUPIRO (Nicaragua) |
Fourth Official: | Fernando GUERRERO (Mexico) |
VAR: | Arturo CRUZ (Mexico) |
AVAR: | Juan RANGEL (Mexico) |
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Match: | Mexico vs Honduras |
Referee: | Mario ESCOBAR (Guatemala) |
Assistant Referee 1: | Caleb WALES (Trinidad and Tobago) |
Assistant Referee 2: | Logan BROWN (USA) |
Fourth Official: | Oshane NATION (Jamaica) |
VAR: | Allen CHAPMAN (USA) |
AVAR: | Tatiana GUZMAN (Nicaragua) |
Miami, FL – The Concacaf Referee Committee has announced the match officials who will be in charge of the 2021 Gold Cup Semifinal matches to be played on Thursday, July 29, 2021.
Match: | Qatar vs USA |
Referee: | Juan Gabriel CALDERON (Costa Rica) |
Assistant Referee 1: | Juan Carlos MORA (Costa Rica) |
Assistant Referee 2: | Djibril CAMARA (Senegal)* |
Fourth Official: | Selvin BROWN (Honduras) |
VAR: | Barkary GASSAMA (Gambia)* |
AVAR: | Arturo CRUZ (Mexico) |
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Match: | Mexico vs Canada |
Referee: | Daneon PARCHMENT (Jamaica) |
Assistant Referee 1: | Caleb WALES (Trinidad and Tobago) |
Assistant Referee 2: | Jassett KERR (Jamaica) |
Fourth Official: | Oshane NATION (Jamaica) |
VAR: | Allen CHAPMAN (USA) |
AVAR: | Armando VILLARREAL (USA) |
Anecdotic question : Do you know what is the kind of whistle that Kuipers has ?
ReplyDeletegrey Molten Valkeen
DeleteThanks a lot !
DeleteFor the good of the game and the physical wellbeing of the players.
ReplyDeleteI truly hope that it's the FIFA Club World Cup version of Escobar that steps on the pitch tonight. Not the CONCACAF version of Escobar. I have no interest in watching a dirty lawless encounter.
Enough with the "Brian Hall Way" nonsense!
+1
DeleteI think Escobar could well face a very challenging game in this one.
Interesting appointment for Fernando Hernández too - it seems he 'beat' his three higher-ranked (though perhaps not in my estimation) compatriots at this tournament.
Escobar definitely needs to clamp down on tactical fouling early if starts to become a problem. If not, things can definitely spiral spiral quickly.
DeleteIn regards to Mr. Hernandez. IMO, he's in direct competition with Adonai Escobedo. Out of the two, Hernandez seems to be the referee that is able adapt and adjust his approach as needed. Escobedo at the moment isn't highly trusted within Liga MX. While Hernandez has already been assigned to a couple "BIG" matches and a Finals Series.
On the other hand, in the eyes CONCACAF and FMF Ref Comm's. Ramos and Guerrero are still favored. Ramos will remain Mexico's #1 (I don't agree) and Guerrero because of his age will not accomplish much more than he already has.
Gold Cup Quarterfinal matches to be played on Sunday, July 25, 2021.
ReplyDeleteMatch: COSTA RICA vs CANADA
Referee: Jair MARRUFO (USA)
Assistant Referee 1: Frank ANDERSON (USA)
Assistant Referee 2: Kathryn NESBITT (USA)
Fourth Official: Armando VILLARREAL (USA)
VAR: Bakary GASSAMA (Gambia)
AVAR: Tim FORD (USA)
Match: USA vs JAMAICA
Referee: Cesar RAMOS (Mexico)
Assistant Referee 1: Alberto MORIN (Mexico)
Assistant Referee 2: Miguel HERNANDEZ (Mexico)
Fourth Official: Selvin BROWN (Honduras)
VAR: Angel MONROY (Mexico)
AVAR: Leon BARAJAS (Mexico)
*PREDICTIONS*
ReplyDelete29 July 2021 Semi-Finals
QATAR vs USA = Bakary Gassama
MEXICO vs CANADA = Daneon Parchment
1 August 2021 Final
QATAR/USA vs MEXICO/CANADA = Said Martinez
USA – Mexique
DeleteArbitre : Said Martinez (HON)
Arbitre assistant 1 : Walter Lopez (HON)
Arbitre assistant 2 : Henri Pupiro (NCA)
Quatrième officiel : Mario Escobar (GUA)
VAR : Drew Fischer (CAN)
I watched the Qatar vs. El Salvador game yesterday afternoon. Some clips:
ReplyDelete10' - Challenge incident
https://streamable.com/gfuoh4
11' - Accidental vs. VC?
https://streamable.com/e61w52
48' - Potential SYC (challenge)
https://streamable.com/t3o5zm
53' - Penalty given to Qatar (handling) + YC (SPA)
https://streamable.com/8e1s5y
62' - Penalty area incident (charging)
https://streamable.com/gw27q0
66' - Fair challenge before goal?
https://streamable.com/v46s0y
71' - Challenge incident
https://streamable.com/0iwsop
74' - Penalty area incident (tripping)
https://streamable.com/68a0u1
88' - Penalty area incident (handling)
https://streamable.com/f1szkc
-> Mexico DOES have a high class international referee: his name is Fernando Hernández. I was very impressed by his performance and way of refereeing - player interactions with some clear warnings were really satisfying, tactical approach was spot on.
The difference between often-insufferable Ramos, Guerrero, Ortíz and Escobedo, is absolutely night and day. Finally - it does seem that FMF have their man. One can ponder more in hope than expectation; any chance for WC 2022?
Overall Hernandez was pretty good in match that was fairly easy going in the beginning only to end up exciting in the end. I personally didn't like that at times he seemed frantic and unsure. Some of his "late" whistles on fouls also caused the players to become anxious. Nothing major though.
DeleteHowever, the BIG issue I had with Hernandez. Was the way he allowed the Qatari players to at times belittle and scold him with no disciplinary consequences. But, I am fully aware that in this "modern" referee world. Referees are expected to stand there and simply take it in a docile manner.
As far as 2022 goes. I don't see him there barring a MAJOR melt down by Cesar Ramos. And even then, Guerrero may get nod. Yes, I know, I don't like it either.
To be honest, Hernández was more-often-than-not the winner when the players challenged his authority. Natural authority, manner count for so much in this regard when your hands are tied (eg. no dissent card at 88' is just absurd, even if the ref still 'won' the scene) and that is clearly a strength of this referee.
DeleteGenuinely because it is the first example that comes to my head - if you see how César Ramos interacted with the players, was (not) accepted at the two penalty calls in Qatar vs. Panama, the difference is, again, night and day between the (two) Mexicans.
In general, I thought he responded well to a game where the referee had to be always alert and indeed got more challenging for quite a few minutes c. the 3-2* goal. Sure, his presence was a bit hectic (for UEFA, say), but I think it was appropriate / effective this time.
I keenly watch Fernando Hernández's progress in the future :)
Very well stated Mikael. Hernandez has definitely positioned himself ahead of Escobedo and Marco Ortiz, who actually attended the 2019 Gold Cup, but not this one.
DeleteRamos' problem IMO is his dismissive, smug and arrogant attitude that he portrays towards the players. While Hernandez comes off more personable and inviting to the player.
I understand referees "hands are tied" in regards to dealing with dissent by word or action. But seeing it openly tolerated throughout the word, doesn't make it any easier to stomach.
In yesterdays USA v Jamaica match. After being whistled for a foul. A USA player picked up the ball and literally punted it into the stands. And Ramos did nothing. What a great example they're setting for the masses.
Gold Cup Semifinal matches to be played on Thursday, July 29, 2021.
ReplyDeleteMatch: QATAR v USA
Referee: Juan Gabriel CALDERON (Costa Rica)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos MORA (Costa Rica)
Assistant Referee 2: Djibril CAMARA (Senegal)
Fourth Official: Selvin BROWN (Honduras)
VAR: Barkary GASSAMA (Gambia)
AVAR: Arturo CRUZ (Mexico)
Match: MEXICO v CANADA
Referee: Daneon PARCHMENT (Jamaica)
Assistant Referee 1: Caleb WALES (Trinidad and Tobago)
Assistant Referee 2: Jassett KERR (Jamaica)
Fourth Official: Oshane NATION (Jamaica)
VAR: Allen CHAPMAN (USA)
AVAR: Armando VILLARREAL (USA)
Well I predicted 1 out of 2 correctly. I must say though that I am disappointed for Gassama. In 2019, Al Jassim got a Semi-Final, and I fully expected Gassama to do the same. His performances have also been good enough to deserve a Semi-Final.
DeleteWith that said. I'm not sure how I feel about Calderon. He's definitely been somewhat better during this tournament. But I've also seen him go ultra mega "Brian Hall style" in the not so distant past. And have some simply brutally unacceptable performances.
Parchment's assignment further proves that he's surpassed Nation in the pecking order. And it cements his spot as the best referee in the Caribbean. He for sure has the Ref Comm's full trust at the moment.
Also congratulations to Ms./Mrs. Kerr for her very much deserved assignment. It's good to see diversification in action.
Regardless of the outcomes. I'm sticking with Said Martinez (HON) as my candidate for the Final.
Lastly, based on assignments so far. It's clear that the Ref Comm found Montero's performance in the opening match (Mexico v Trinidad & Tobago) unacceptable. It didn't help his case that The Mexican Football Federation submitted a written complaint asking for his tournament termination. Sadly, Montero was simply trying to work the match in the ridiculous manner that's demanded by the CONCACAF Ref Comm. In the end, he takes the fall and the ones who have instructed him and the VAR's to perform in that manner carry on as usual.
I disagree with your assessment of Gassama’s performances as deserving of a semifinal. His first game really was kind of a poor performance; his management style didn’t connect to the players at all (ok maybe that’s not so much his fault) and his decisions were not-very-inspiring. In the second game his management style actually *was* very successful and contributed to one of the most exciting games of the tournament, but you can’t ignore the wealth of technical inaccuracies in and around the penalty area that were the subject of 3 video reviews.
DeleteAs for the final, my first prediction would be Mario Escobar. It is not absurd for Concacaf to award a referee with back-to-back finals (Joel Aguilar had three straight 2011-2015), and I think Escobar is pretty clearly the top non-Mexican-or-American referee in Concacaf at the moment (maybe Barton is now, but if course he’s away in Tokyo and unavailable for this match). Furthermore, the Gold Cup Final referee usually (but not always) has a quarterfinal match, which Martinez (sadly) did not get. (I could hypothesize scenarios for this where he is planned for the final: ie if hall wanted to get a look at both Mexicans and Marrufo in knockout games, that had to be in the QF sage, and if he didn’t want to leave Escobar empty handed…) Anyways, Martinez is my second choice but my main prediction right now is Escobar.
Disappointed in Concacaf’s handling of Montero, I think he is a really talented referee who could grow into a fantastic career, but concacaf seems to have left him by the wayside in the past few years in favor of Barton, Martinez, even Parchment (!) etc.
And you doubted me in regards to Montero. You doubted the "weight" Mexico carries within CONCACAF. You went as far as accusing me of having "an agenda". I see the reality and understand how CONCACAF "works" and that actions have consequences. Lets not forget that the tournament lost one of if not the biggest star (Hirving Lozano) playing in the tournament. I'll add that the referee's made a noticeable change to their styles after the first two days of the tournament. And this change was for the good of the game and the physical wellbeing of the players.
DeleteI agree in regards to Escobar based on the Aguilar effect. But I prefer allowing new names and faces (who have earned it of course) be given the opportunity on the biggest stage.
The letter had nothing to do with it.
DeleteIt is very obvious that CONCACAF were finished with Walter López, Pittí and Montero:
- Guatemalan had a subpar performance at GC 2019, out from top level games
- Pittí was sacrificed on the NL final; Hall knows he is experienced enough for a USAMEX match, and not selected for GC, they could just quietly discard him afterwards
- Montero's poor performance in the opener (even besides one situation) is the perfect pretense to get rid of him, Hall prefers Calderón, I am 99% sure we will never see Montero at GC again
CONCACAF were very brutal after WC 2018 in pushing a new group of referees, and that meant there was no place for the old ones who couldn't really adapt to new instructions.
The same happened between WC 2010 and WC 2014 - the three very good AFC referees for example, simply couldn't adapt to 'Busaccaism', and one-by-one they failed.
Sad because López and Montero especially had their merits IMO, but top level refereeing is a hard business indeed.
I begrudgingly have to agree with your points Mikael... it does seem like, for now at least, these 3 referees are sadly looking like there isn't much of a way forward for them in Concacaf. I'm still holding out hope that Pitti and Montero will continue forward (especially Montero: he's still just 35!), but you're right. The newer referees are clearly Hall's favorites right now.
DeleteAnd Arbiter, I have to admit you were right. My idealism turned out to be wrong.
I have to say I really think they've mismanaged these referees. In Montero in Pitti, you have two referees who were fourth officials at Russia 2018, and, armed with that experience, would have been in a great position to develop their skills towards Qatar 2022 (much in the same way that Faghani developed from a 4th official in 2014 to being perhaps the best referee at Russia 2018). Instead, Concacaf discarded these two referees (plus the referee who, at the time, was their best non-USA-or-Mexico referee) in favor of this young contingent of Escobar, Calderon, Barton, Martinez, etc... who one day might develop to be as good, but right now, just over a year away from the World Cup, are frankly nowhere close.
Weird management with Gassama assistant referee in the middle but with a CONCACAF referee, looks quite strange to me. I guess the Gambian was not liked by committee but they wanted to appoint somebody from the guest trio for a semifinal! It would have been different in all other confederations.
ReplyDeleteAs I stated above, I feel disappointed for Gassama.
DeleteHowever, if the expected Final (Mexico v USA) comes to fruition. Gassama will 100% be the VAR for that match. As neither Mexican nor American VAR's will be assigned.
The only question left is, who will be the AVAR?
The only non Mexican or American VAR's are David Gantar and Tatiana Guzmán. Mexico would likely reject Gantar for his role and inaction in the the opening match. Drew Fischer I believe has VAR experience. But if I was Mexico, I would reject him also. As a "PRO" referee, his connection to US Soccer is too close for comfort. So that would leave Tatiana Guzmán as the choice IMO.
So what happens if Gassama has a very bad mistake as VAR in the semifinal (assuming Mexico and the US make it through)? Drew Fischer VAR with Tatiana Guzman AVAR?
DeleteI don’t think concacaf will have an issue appointing Drew Fischer as VAR for this game. He’s reffed the US before in the gold cup (best we forget about that game however…), and more recently he was the VAR for the nations league final between the same two countries (and his appointments haven’t suffered so I presume concacaf accepts his decisions on that night).
Indeed, I agree with Smala017 remarks, more generally, what would have happened if Gassam hadn't been invited to this tournament?
DeleteNo VAR for the final? I think that CONCACAF already thought about that before the start of tournament, even without a guest referee from another confederation to be appointed in that role.
To leave themselves that short handed with viable candidates. Goes to show how poorly the CONCACAF Referee Committee has handled the implementation of the system and the necessary training required to properly use it.
DeleteCONCACAF has mishandled VAR from the beginning, yes. Anyone can see that.
ReplyDeleteBut it's also pretty clear they had a plan coming into this tournament and that was to use the Mexican and PRO VARs who have the experience on the matches. I mean, there have been American VARs in the US's group and Mexican VARs in Mexico's group. This also happened at Nations League. This isn't a surprise.
If it's US v Mexico, either Gantar or Fischer will be VAR. Gantar had strange misses early in this tournament, but I think that's down to CONCACAF instruction on intervention. If you were privy to Gantar's work in the VOR in MLS, you'd know how skilled he is at the role. But, of course, it seems easier to just throw rhetorical bombs and say silly things on this message board.
The idea that Tatiana Guzman, who has almost zero VAR experience, would be on the Final is ridiculous. Just utterly ridiculous. You want people who know what they are doing. Fischer and Gantar do. I would even suggest the idea of Gassama being VAR on the final is very far-fetched; though he has trained at the FIFA level, his practical use of VAR is limited. Gantar and Fischer probably have about 250-300 VAR matches under their belts combined. But we've got a suggestion here that a Gassama-Guzman pairing makes more sense. C'mon.
And, just to repeat, NO, that does not mean I like how CONCACAF handled all this. It's been a joke. But it's a joke that we all saw coming and we know where things stand right now. And it doesn't stand with Tatiana Guzman acting as a VMO on the Gold Cup Final.
Also, I'm not convinced we do get US v Mexico Sunday, so this could all be a moot point. If Mexico loses, you get Mexican VARs. If the US loses, you get American VARs. The most interesting question, honstly, might be who does Canada v Qatar. Probably a split Mexico/US VAR tandem, just a question of who sits in which chair.
Hard to see if the U.S. defender did touch the ball in the VAR pk call reversal at 58 minutes. If yes, then no pk, but if no, then good reversal. But a YC just prior to that for the U.S. player should have been to the Qatar player holding the U.S. player's shirt, unless YCs were given to both players and I missed it.
ReplyDeleteBoth players were cautioned. The Qatar player for SPA and the USA player for "lashing out" towards the Qatari player who fouled him. But yellows cards were then "cancelled" by the referee after the OFR which resulted in PK.
DeleteThanks for the update. I was doing a couple of other things and had the volume down.
DeleteThe SPA YC should be cancelled, but the other yellow card should totally stay...
DeleteIf Calderon correctly whistles the PK, neither of those cards are shown. As such, both deserve to be cancelled.
DeleteThat is incorrect, Arbiter. Only cards for SPA or DOGSO are to be wiped away after video review (because any attack that was stopped could never have led to anything). All other disciplinary sanctions are supposed to remain.
DeleteFrom the VAR protocol, section 1:
"If play continues after an incident which is then reviewed, any disciplinary action taken/required during the post-incident period is not cancelled, even if the original decision is changed (except a caution/sending-off for stopping or interfering with a promising attack or DOGSO)."
Yeah I understand. But IMO, that goes against the spirit of the game. The only cards I would leave would be Red Cards for VC. But that's just me.
DeleteVery good VAR intervention by Gassama.
ReplyDeleteCalderon was is a great position but he totally missed the contact. The US player clearly makes contact with the Qatari's knee before making any miniscule/irrelevant touch on the ball.
Well done Gassama, not bad for an "inexperienced" VAR. I guess there's no need for him to have worked "a million" matches as VAR to be able to make the right decision.
Didn't see good replays, but no pk call for foul on U.S. player in the penalty box just before goal in 87th minute looked very close, and also possible foul on Qatar player in the penalty box just before goal.
ReplyDeleteCan you imagine the situation where that was a clear foul in the build-up to the goal but it was also a penalty kick before that?
DeleteYes, interesting that there wasn't VAR intervention on the no pk call. Must not have seen clear error, but the thing everyone looks for in refereeing is consistency, and there doesn't seem to be enough consistency across different tournaments and confederations in VAR for people to gain enough faith in it to trust it.
DeleteOnce the goal is scored then the VAR will not go back to intervene with the penalty kick. But it would be somewhat similar to an incident in MLS recently where you probably had a dog so and penalty kick but before the VAR could intervene the offended team scored a goal. You can see this at around 5:30 into this video.
Deletehttps://youtu.be/BihJqEeUdq0
Thanks so much for that clip and very interesting to hear VAR audio. I used to watch the Week in Review before PRO came into being and didn't know they are still reviewing referee decisions, so I will subscribe to the channel. And if anyone else knows of more online referee instruction, please post links.
DeleteAs much as people on this blog have said things against the US and Canadian referees of pro, I think the week in review is something that almost any league in the world can learn a lot from. It adds a level of transparency and humanity to referees that is probably much needed in the largest leagues in the world
DeleteYeah, I find their review of real life game situations very helpful, and that they put the benefit of helping referees learn over not wanting to show their referees' mistakes is a sign of humility on PRO's part.
DeleteDid see replay just now, and looks like foul on Qatar player in penalty box was missed.
ReplyDeleteNot a fan of this Calderon performance really. Disciplinary control is way too lax and he is being very pedantic the location of the ball on restarts. Plus a technical error in rescinding the non-SPA yellow card after the video review.
ReplyDeleteI used to be pedantic about ball location for restarts, too. What is the unwritten rule about ball placement? Within one meter or yard of foul is ok?
DeleteIn the attacking area, where a direct shot can or will be taken on goal. Then yeah okay, spot the ball where it has to be and give little to leeway.
DeleteBut in the defending third (where Calderon was being pedantic), in the general vicinity is cool with me. Of course I'm not going to allow 5+ yards to be gained. But less than that in that area. Set it and lets go.
His pedantic approach also caused the already frustrated Qatari players to become more triggered.
Ok, that makes sense to be more careful with ball placement in the attacking area. Thanks for the tip.
ReplyDelete10’ in MEX-CAN SEMO and already a mass confrontation for Parchment and his team to deal with!
ReplyDelete*semifinal
DeleteVery tough game for Parchment to officiate. Mexico very aggressively physically and have committed numerous hard fouls already. I would expect quite a few cards by the end of this match. So far, the Jamaican referee seems mostly spot on with his foul detection, although I believe he missed a clear holding foul near the touch line somewhere around 25’
ReplyDeleteOther than the multiple fouls being committed by both teams causing the match to be stopped continuously. Parchment is going to have to be aware of the stalling and tactical time wasting tactics by the Canadian team.
DeleteSignificant, significant mass confrontation on the bench side touch line as Mexico is mobbing Parchment after a PK no call. Waiting for replay and potential VAR intervention
ReplyDeleteCompletely ridiculous the amount of dissent allowed by Parchment there just prior to the mass confrontation, even if he did miss an occupied penalty.
DeleteCommentators saying lack of YCs earlier led to scrum towards end of first half.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with their reasoning, no clear YC’s missed IMO, but Parchment *had* to issue either a YC for dissent to Mexico after the no-call or sanctions for the mass confrontation. Sets a terrible example for what behavior is “allowable”. Now the next confrontation could even result in a player injury, IMO.
DeleteThey're right.
DeleteFrom a game management perspective I agree, but I don’t think it’s because of KMI mistakes (clear missed YC’s) but rather his lack of ability to manage more minor incidents with escalating warnings followed by YC’s if warnings aren’t respected
DeleteOn the topic of dissent, in stoppage time of the first half we see similar (albeit not as severe) visible dissent repeated by Canada’s #2… amazing how that happens when one dissent isn’t punished, who could have seen that coming?
DeleteWarnings? What warnings? He whistles and then scatters as far away as fast as possible from the foul. Some of those fouls clearly being reckless. Not to mention the Persistent Infringement by several Canadian players in tactically fouling Corona.
DeleteNo wonder the players have shown zero respect. Constantly getting in his face gesturing.
That’s exactly what I said :) he’s had a lack of the appropriate hierarchy of warnings. Not communicating well at all with players, and when they do not respond he then also refuses to show a YC
DeleteConstantly trying to talk your way through a is overrated and overhyped.
DeleteThere is no better way to send a message than by brandishing a well deserved and earned card in accordance with the LoTG.
Parchment overturns his no-call to a PK for what would look to be a foul for contact with the leg. YC issued to Canada for SPA. Surprisingly, looks to be no additional sanctions for the now 2nd mass confrontation of the game. Now +6, and Mexico makes the PK.
ReplyDeleteAll of these problems facing Parchment so far have been are self made. Caused by his distant and dis-attached approach. Other than whistling fouls. He comes off as reluctant to become involved in the match in any other manner.
ReplyDeleteI pretty much agree. The match is a difficult match to be sure, and there would be issues either way, but his approach has only made things worse. I like the word “reluctant,” he is trying ridiculously hard to *not* show any cards.
DeleteHe didn’t establish a natural authority early on, and now that is coming back to bite him
DeleteHe tried to be an "actor" not a referee. But acting like a referee can only get you so far before you crash and burn.
DeleteGood VAR reversal of no pk call at 45th minute.
ReplyDeleteAnother player hacked down. Parchment whistles foul. Leaves it at that.
ReplyDeleteWhile most referee's have correctly moved away from using the "Brian Hall way" in recent matches. Parchment is going all in and using an ultra mega "Brian Hall way" approach. Parchment is going to try to keep the cards in the pocket at all costs. The second half is going to get ugly for the disconnected and distant Jamaican.
ReplyDeleteSecond half will be very challenging. I shink Parchment should show YC at first hard foul to set example, like I think Brych did at Euros after more lenient first half towards one of his last games.
ReplyDeleteProblem is now, his authority is not respected and giving that YC will leave him met with a lot of dissent it would seem. But nevertheless, that is the approach he MUST take
DeleteYes, good point about authority. He may be able to keep control with cards, but after two or three mass confrontations in the first half that weren't sanctioned, I have a bad feeling that one or two RCs might come out of another confrontation.
DeleteThat half was pretty poor in all aspects by Parchment. If he did just a bit more in the 2nd half it would be am improvement.
DeleteHe didn't show any cards in the 1st half yet he was still hounded by dissent from both teams. The least he could do is show the correct and expected cards and deal with the dissent as necessary or as allowed by the Ref Comm. We understand that "modern" Ref Comm's expect "modern" referees to just stand there and take the dissent without reaction like good little referees.
I digress, I don’t think CONCACAF wants the dissent to get to that point. Honestly, when it gets as bad as it has in this match, it looks really bad on the whole league. Really bad optics
DeleteHave you been watching any CONCACAF competitions in the past year or two? The refereeing is at an all time low. The "Brain Hall way" of being overly lenient and permissive has had a disastrous effect on matches players physical well being.
DeleteParchment tried to be an "actor" not a referee on the pitch in the 1st half. He failed.
ReplyDeleteBut that's what CONCACAF Ref Comm wants, likes, expects, and demands.
Now FS1 replays in USA show a Canadian player throwing a full punch at a Mexican player during the 2nd mass confrontation. Would likely have been a RC for violent conduct
ReplyDeleteThere was also a hand around a Canadian throat at one point, possibly another RC (at least a YC)...
DeleteIf only we had some referee who was able to watch these videos and correct this decision during the match!
Big VAR miss...
Agreed. Possible VAR did not review the confrontation at all? Would be surprised
DeleteCORRECT YC to Canada #12 for SPA in the 49’. Very, very important card for Parchment to show.
ReplyDeleteNow a 2nd YC for Dissent to a different Canadian player
DeleteHoilett, who just got that YC for dissent, now made a reckless foul studs to foot; textbook yellow card but Parchment spares him.
DeleteSo Parchment is able do it correctly. He just chose not to in the 1st half.
DeleteCorrect foul on the attacking team now before the attack on goal in 52’. Canada furious with Parchment, but it was a necessary decision
DeleteThe "Brian Hall way". Overly lenient and permissive. 22 start and 22 end. Or else!
DeleteDoes the contact continue into the box in the 54’? Angles are inconclusive, Parchment should be supported IMO until a more conclusive angle is found
ReplyDeleteI think outside was the correct decision by Parchment... wow incidents are happening so fast this second half, very difficult game.
DeleteMissed YC for Canadian player swinging arms repeatedly in Mexican player's face at 52nd minute and then no YC for that Canadian player repeatedly throwing his arms in disgust at Parchment, which was hard to watch.
ReplyDeleteI am okay with no YC for that foul on attacker, but would support referee in case of a card if he chose to do so. Agreed Parchment is too lenient on dissent, but now with the situation on the field if he were to caution every one of those incidences we would have nine or 10 yellow cards very quickly.
DeleteYeah foul (without a card) is ok there
DeleteSo a referee should tolerate abhorrent attitudes just because we don't want to end the game with less players? No thanks!
DeleteAs referee's we don't "GIVE" cards. Players "EARN" them with their actions. And as referee we simply oblige the players by showing the proper cards in accordance with the LoTG.
Yes, I guess the precedent of allowing dissent has already been set.
DeleteTerrible, absolutely terrible. It's sad that Ref Comm's don't realize that the actions allowed by their referees are seen and emulated by the younger generations.
DeleteNow 1-1 and game should continue to get significantly more testy
ReplyDeleteExcellent onside decision by Wales
DeleteAnother close foul near the area in 63’, now VAR check for potential PK
ReplyDeleteFoul was inside area after OFR, now PK awarded for Mexico. Canada mobbing Parchment after decision
DeleteClose?
DeleteThe foul was clearly and obviously inside. Parchment (in a good position) tried and failed to "move" the spot of the foul way outside of the box just to not give a PK.
I'm like c'mon man, you are not going to get away with sketchy tactics like that when there is VAR.
Terrible disciplinary control and he needed 2 VAR interventions to bail him out. A referee performance worthy of Brian Hall and CONCACAF.
ReplyDeleteNow Canadian player injured after hard tackle by Mexican player in 67’, I believe YC should have been issued, but Parchment chooses not to issue a card
ReplyDeleteParchment might have issued a card after all. Wasn’t shown originally on replay
DeleteI concur, studs to foot once again... even higher perhaps, side of the ankle.
DeleteFox just showed a replay of #14 getting cautioned, so it looks like Parchment caught this one, eventually.
He did. But it took him going over to look at the Canadian player on the ground to realize, "oh that was worthy of a yellow".
DeletePossible SPA 76'? I thought so.
ReplyDeleteSupportable for no SPA IMO, but it crossed my mind as well
DeleteCorrect YC to Mexico #23 in 79’ for SPA
ReplyDeleteParchment seems to be doing better in the second half overall, issuing 3rd or 4th YC of half in the 79th minute, and the match has calmed down perhaps as a result of the cards.
ReplyDeleteI agree, it's definitely been better and he's slowly regained control thanks to the better disciplinary control. Still, "better" is relative to a pretty bad first half, definitely not a good game overall for him.
DeleteI agree. I do feel if this match goes to ET that it will pick up in intensity once again, though
Delete+1
DeleteHow properly and timely shown cards in place of empty verbal warnings help that happen. Imagine that.
Yes, and VAR has shown its merits, leading to two PK calls for missed call (?) and placement of foul inside the penalty box.
DeleteAppreciate the sarcasm, Arbiter ; ).
DeleteLaw 5 Commenter, based on reading many of your posts. I get the feeling that we may share a few similar idea of how refereeing should be done.
DeleteJust saw your reply. Good to find a kindred refereeing spirit.
DeleteI agree Smala017, Parchment was so bad in the first half. That even the most minuscule improvement in the 2nd half is an upgrade.
ReplyDeleteIt's more than a miniscule improvement I think, he's regained control by showing cards to players who deserve them on *many* occasions. That's significant. Still, we have a missed penalty (corrected by OFR) and a missed second yellow card, so...
DeleteNo I agree. I merely said that he was so bad in the first half that even the slightest improvement would be a positive and better than the 1st half
DeleteNow a stoppage in 88’ for offensive chants in the stands or potentially something thrown on the field?
ReplyDeleteIt's for a chant the fans did. It's the second time they said it during the match. After the first time, a warning was played in the stadium threatening the fans that the match could be suspended and then possibly terminated if the chant continued.
DeleteParchment is following FIFA guidelines for offensive chants... if situation is not solved, players will be sent to locker room for 10 minutes.... +7 given by FO and game will now restart
DeleteCommentators show rules for dealing with offensive chants:
ReplyDelete1. Referee brings players to center circle.
2. Referee brings players to locker rooms for 10 minutes.
3. Referee abandons match if chants continue.
I like the idea of having strict rules but wonder if unruly fans could take advantage of them to get match suspended when their team is losing.
Delete^ I agree with this sentiment @ Law 5
DeleteTime wasting by Canadians in ‘93 after corner given, Parchment warns for potential future sanction
ReplyDeleteKeep wasting time Canada.
ReplyDeleteNow 2-1 GOAL for Mexico in 90+9’ after Canadian injury
ReplyDeleteNow huge mass confrontation (3rd of game) in 90+11’
ReplyDeletePunches being thrown. May be multiple RC
DeleteYC Mexico #16 for UB in 90+12’
DeleteThird and most violent mass confrontation. Punches have been thrown. What starts bad, ends bad. Bravo and thank you Parchment!
ReplyDeletePunching a player = Only a Yellow Card in CONCACAF. GREAT! AMAZING!
ReplyDeleteVAR? Chapman? Missing in action.
How there is not an OFR or longer VAR check after that confrontation is beyond me
ReplyDeleteWhy are you surprised? It's the Brian Hall way.
Delete22 start, 22 end. No matter what. Or else!
What starts bad, ends bad.
ReplyDeleteParchment brought this upon himself.
He caused this.
Need I say more?
After the Mexico goal, there were two balls on the field and Mexico through them *both* off to waste time, which kicked off the mass confrontation which saw only(!!) the Canadian goalkeeper booked...
ReplyDelete110 minutes of hell finally comes to an end for Parchment.
ReplyDeleteNeedless to say the disciplinary control (especially in the first 50-55 minutes of the match) was terrible, it sounds harsh but there's no other word for it. He was avoiding cards like the plague in the first half and it led to a really terrible atmosphere for him to try to referee the rest of the match in. There's way too many for me to write in one comment (or even remember off the top of my head); I'd like to highlight in particular, the dissent after the PK foul was completely ridiculous and clearly deserved a card, the ensuing mass confrontation had at least one clear red card offense (for a punch to the face!) but so no disciplinary sanction at all even after the OFR, the challenge by #10 Canada moments after being booked warranted a second yellow card, etc etc etc.
Of course, there were also two missed penalty kicks that had to be corrected by OFR, the first of which was very obvious and is a bad miss by Parchment.
In the second half he managed to salvage a little bit of disciplinary control with a number of correct yellow cards, but still was too lenient on other incidents.
Well, in summary: I had been interested to see how far Concacaf would be able to push Parchment... He seems like a reliable pair of hands on the less volatile Concacaf games, but this was clearly a bridge too far for him.
In regards to the dissent incident you mention. If I am not mistaken, Mexican player Funes Mori actually made physical with Parchment. The player ran up Parchment's back and nudges/chest bumped the referee.
Delete*contact
DeleteKMI/Disciplinary Review:
ReplyDelete10’ - 1st mass confrontation. Relatively minor compared to others. No obvious missed YC/RC, okay to deal with issue and move on
42’ - Originally a no-call, Parchment goes to OFR and awards a PK to Mexico. Correct YC then given to Canadian player for SPA. To me not a critical mistake, contact was extremely tough to see in live motion due to the speed of the play and the initial ball touch before the foul. Right call to overturn by Parchment, good procedure. BUT, Mexican players mobbed the referee and chased him down the field after the initial no-call. Parchment HAD to show a YC for dissent to at least one of those players but did not. Here, I felt it was poor player management.
~ 43’ - 2nd mass confrontation. Would like to have seen disciplinary action here from Parchment. Confrontation was near the benches and was significantly more physical than the first. As a matter of game control, sanctions to the aggressors were needed here IMO. Ref and FO need to work together with AR’s to determine who is given a sanction. At halftime, FS1 replays show multiple instances of VC by both teams within the confrontation. If VAR reviewed the incident and did not see both the punch and the potential hand around the throat, then it would likely be considered a CRITICAL MISTAKE.
49’ - Correct YC to Canada #12 for SPA. Was a necessary decision given match temperature and also was a clear SPA foul, Parchment makes the correct call here.
52’ - Canadian attacker commits a foul against the head of the defender. Parchment calls a foul, but does not issue a card. YC was not mandatory IMO with relatively minor contact, but I think it would have been supportable had he issued a booking here.
54’ - Foul just outside the area. NOT a PK, correct call to put the ball outside the area.
63’ - Foul originally called outside the area, after OFR correctly ruled a PK (inside box) by Parchment. I think Parchment probably should have seen the location of this foul live, but can’t say for sure what angle he had.
67’ - Correct YC to Mexican player for very reckless tackle against the Canadian player. Not enough of a “stomp” on the full foot for RC consideration, but certainly a YC in any case.
~75’ - Supportable no card (just foul) for potential SPA offense.
79’ - Correct YC for SPA to Mexico #23
88’ - Parchment correctly stops game and follows FIFA guidelines for offensive chants after issue with Mexico fans in the stands. While game is still stopped, +7 is shown for added time
90 + 3’ - Good warning to Canada for time wasting, proper procedure, although a stern warning maybe could better have been used earlier in the game
90+9’ - Mexico scores 2-1. Followed immediately by massive on-field confrontation (3rd of game). Mexico GK #16 is cautioned for UB, but no other sanctions given. Looked like VAR took a quick look at it, but once again I saw punches thrown live that seemed to go unpunished. Not sure what their procedure was here, but was surprised no other cards were given.
Game finally ended at around 90+14’. Overall, a not great first half was followed up by a better second half for Parchment. Did not feel like she communicated with players well overall, and he probably could have used his cards better in the first half. But he managed to find a tighter line in the second half and kept some potential incidents under control. Would have to say though, I still think it was a somewhat below average performance from what I saw. AR’s did a great job, specifically AR with the onside call on the 1-1 equalizer.
49’ - Canada #10 cautioned for dissent after teammate was given card for SPA.
Delete~51’ - Canada #10 again with a possible reckless tackle and potential for 2nd YC (RC), but Parchment decided not to issue a card and went simply with a foul
Predictions for the final?
ReplyDeleteI would love to see a new name and face like Said Martinez (HON).
DeleteBut I think we get a repeat of the Final 2 years ago. Same teams (Mexico v USA) and same the referee, Mario Escobar (GUA).
Can we get Kakir for the final? These CONCACAF refs outside of a very few stink. Sunday is going to be a war after the Nations League Final
DeleteIt's not the referees fault though. When the CONCACAF Referee Committee forces them to go out onto the pitch with an idiotic and ridiculous approach.
DeleteIt's obvious that they are instructed by the CONCACAF Referee Committee to be overly lenient and dangerously permissive. And to at all costs keep the cards in the pocket as long as possible, no matter what.
22 start, and 22 finish. OR ELSE!
Said Martinez of Honduras has been appointed as he referee for the final.
ReplyDeleteSource?
DeleteI must ask for the source as well, otherwise we can't publish the news on the blog.
Deletehttps://twitter.com/desigarbitrales/status/1421142842672615431?s=21
DeleteSoccer Canada (@CanadaSoccerEN) tweeted Gantar is final VAR.
ReplyDeleteEr Fischer not Gantar. Doh.
DeleteIf true. It's a nice consolation (thanks for coming) prize from the Referee Committee to Fischer. Because on the pre-tournament referee lists. He was on the referee list, not the VAR list. But all he's done is work as a VAR. He was the only referee (listed as a referee) who was not assigned as a main referee.
DeleteFisher got the Zitouni treatment.
DeleteFischer had a nightmare in his prelim game (even besides KMIs) and CONCACAF were correct not to appoint him again.
DeleteThe referee who was ridiculously treated at GC was Cornejo - no game in prelims, only a dead rubber GS match. I think he is one of the better referees at CONCACAF's disposal too.
Maybe he should check the international dialing code for Romania, he and a fellow referee could quite justifiably have a good rant about the way they were unfairly managed this summer :)
Kovács?
DeleteOn the bright side, both of them were at least given the opportunity to blow the whistle in a match.
FIFA can't even be bothered to give Zitouni that same level of consideration.
According to "Refereeing World" and multiple Honduran Media Outlets.
ReplyDelete2021 CONCACAF Gold Cup Final
USA vs MEXICO
Referee: Said Martinez (HON)
Assistant Referee 1: Walter Lopez (HON)
Assistant Referee 2: Henri Pupiro (NCA)
Fourth Official: Mario Escobar (GUA)
VAR: Drew Fischer (CAN)
AVAR: Tatiana Guzman (NCA)
I should try and participate in your referee predictor game. I'm not bad at it. Correct in 2 out of the last 3 matches! LOL
ReplyDeleteGreat to see a new names and faces get the opportunity on the biggest stage.
Fully deserved by Martinez who has had a great tournament up to this point. To include an expertly handled (potentially fiery) El Salvador v Mexico group stage match clash.
As reported previously, it'll be Fischer at VAR. The CONCACAF Referee Committee showed that they didn't trust/like him on the pitch and chose to keep him behind a monitor. Personally, I'm not surprised based on what I've seen of Fischer in MLS and in various previous CONCACAF events. He's just not that good. But he's definitely the better Cnadian option than Gantar. Needless to say, Canadian refereeing doesn't find itself in a great spot at the moment.
Lastly, I'll leave these right here. They were said by a fellow poster no too long ago.
"The idea that Tatiana Guzman, who has almost zero VAR experience, would be on the Final is ridiculous. Just utterly ridiculous."
So, yeah ;) LOL
"And it doesn't stand with Tatiana Guzman acting as a VMO on the Gold Cup Final."
CONFIRMED!!!
ReplyDeleteBy CONCACAF on their webpage.
https://www.concacaf.com/gold-cup/article/match-officials-appointed-for-2021-gold-cup-final-1/