The second set of referee assignments for EURO 2020 Quarterfinals, to be played on Saturday 3 July 2021.
CZECH REPUBLIC - DENMARK
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin E. J. Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Sergei Karasev (RUS)
Fifth Official: Igor Demeshko (RUS)
ideo Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Filippo Meli (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 3: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nikolai Levnikov (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Irakli Nakaidze (GEO)
Quarterfinal
Rome, 3 July 2021 21:00 CET
UKRAINE - ENGLAND
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Fifth Official: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 3: Bastian Dankert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Angelo Chetcuti (MLT)
Ok, this will be extremely interesting match for Kuipers. If he passed it, surely he will be in final. If not, three other names are Rapallini, Cakir and Vincic.
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ReplyDeleteHahahahahahahahahahaha.
ReplyDeleteUnbelievable; and we told ourselves that performances matter at this EURO!
Sorry, but that is absolutely shameful from Rosetti.
I sense the spirit of anonymous readers entering our moderators :O
DeleteHopefully even Mikael will now open his eyes and realise Rosetti has favourites.
DeletePlease show some more respect
DeleteEven if you say that you completely disagree with something, you should continue to be objective. On the one hand, for the sake of the quality of the blog, on the other hand, to underline the seriousness of your statement. Moderators should be a role model in this respect.
DeleteWhat exactly did Mikael say that was wrong??? Please stop with the Guilt trip narrative that moderators should be role models, he said nothing wrong aside from expressing his opinion without insulting anyone,,,, or am I missing something
DeleteI know Mikael W as someone who delivers very pointed but also objective analyses based on arguments, which I really enjoy reading. In contrast, I found his comment above rather polemicising. No arguments (ok, admittedly, those have already been sufficiently explained) but a lot of cynicism and more or less a personal attack against the head of the UEFA Referees Committee. And I found that a pity, because I really like this blog because of its factual discussions and analyses and not because you can exchange your personal anger in the form of comments. Of course, I'm not in a position to tell others what to do, so in that respect my comment went a bit over the top.
DeleteI don't agree with Mikael here
DeleteWell... I really don't know what to say...
ReplyDeleteYou are absolutely right. This is not something that we expect.
ReplyDelete*Mikael W
DeleteStill somebody think UEFA was unhappy with Brych in Bel-Por?
ReplyDeleteI believe Brych is still final candidate referee, goid luck to him.
Be a blind fanboy somewhere else.
DeleteThree games in KO stage is impossible, I think this was a comprimise for appointing him again, given that indeed he was big candidate for final and without Germany he could have really handled it, but he pays in this way (very likely) the previous performance. Still very unexpected, though.
DeleteOne can just notice that he didn't need VAR and maybe this is enough for committee...
Yes, Brych didn't need VAR in three matches, it means no crucial mistakes, other referees made big mistakes and they needed VAR help.
DeleteWell, I expect Bjorn Will have some troubles in his next game...
Pitana in last WC had also 5 matches, right? And it is true he seemed to be tired in the final...
DeleteYes, Pitana got 3 KO games: R16, QF and finał. It is a question that was a plan..
DeleteI'm shocked and really p*ssed off!
ReplyDeleteMateu Lahoz expelled for one mistake and otherwise excellent performances while Brych is rewarded for the worst performance of the tournament (and being very poor in his second game).
Giving Kuipers sh*tty games to have him for the final at all cost, sending Mateu home for ONE mistake, Kovács and Hațegan treated like idiots or second category people, now Brych - the most shocking appointment in UEFA ever...
Well done, Mr. Rosetti! You proved you're a politician, not a refereeing man. You proved that pleasing some people is more important than being fair to the whole community. You proved you have no idea about values UEFA share. You should quit immediately!
Really you said "sh..ty game" about a regular QF on Euro? Where is your respect for Denmark and Czech national team?
DeleteYou behave like you don't know the reality and looking at your comments praising Brych's performances it might be the case!
DeleteRayHD: Sorry, this comment was not about refeering, i asked you why you have no respect for Denmark and Czech Republic. It is a normal QF, not a bad match.
DeleteWhat I think Ray (nice to see you again!) means is that it is the less sonorous game of the QF, with two teams that were somehow unexpected to make it so far. That could of course make the match more challenging, but it won't get as much media attention as the rest of the matches from the "bigger" countries, so it seems like they are "protecting" Kuipers for the final
DeleteGeorge, I understand, but if you use a term "sh..ty game", it's full of disrespect for both national teams...
DeleteSo... these things are happening at the highest level, so what do we expect from lower levels?
ReplyDeleteIt's a pity what have done Rosetti here.
Wow... surprised Del Cerro Grande didn't get a game. Yes, his performance was not perfect, but it surely was better than Brych's in the previous round. Reputation and status based on achievements before this tournament apparently still count.
ReplyDeleteI think Brych was planned for a semi-final, but after his performance in Sevilla he was 'demoted' to a quarterfinal. Surely, this will be his last match. Del Cerro Grande must be finished too.
Kuipers obviously prepared for the final. I think we can also write down Cakir for a semi. For the second semi it will depend on England. If they get in the semi's I think it will go to Makkelie. If Ukraine gets there, I would say Taylor gets it.
+1, good analysis
DeleteSpanish referees without KO stage games is surely something remarkable so far.
ReplyDeleteOk, so if the argument that it must ve a Spanish in QF fell, than why remain Hategan with 2 games only. The unexperienced AR Ghinguleac can't be enought if we consider Makkelie team. Anyway, both assignments are shocking. Eng defeated Ger previously and now Brych, Cze defeated Ned and now Kuipers. At least a swap between them. The fans could talk about that.
ReplyDeleteBut, De Vries has been part of the team for years and been with Makkelie for very long. Already in the 5th/6th official time, De Vries was always there as 4th official.
DeleteIn Holland, and also internationally, De Vries always stepped in.
Indeed, from that aspect it would have been more logical to swap their games.
ReplyDeleteI have to say that, honestly, I have more trust in Brych than CDCG, regardless of the last 2 games. If there was no Ukraine-Russia conflict, I would prefer Karasev, and if Hategan is fairly treated I would of course prefer him, but in this net of politics and compromise...
ReplyDeleteAnd for Kuipers, expected, because the committee counts that neither of the teams will enter the final.
Well, I think good appointments. Brych did well in Holland - Ukraine and I don't think he was that bad in Belgium - Portugal. Not for a final, maybe, but for sure for a QF.
ReplyDeleteDel Cerro convinced me much less. So I'm not so negative.
Yes, for Kuipers we can say he's over his peak - obviously. Last season he was better. But that's to be expected. This will be a good match for him to prove.
Lots of better options than Brych for ENG-UKR based on performances so far in this tournament. Too much politics here.
ReplyDeleteWell, I'm not surprised, I had a feeling that Brych would be used if UEFA felt here were no clear and obvious errors that affected the game!
ReplyDeleteThis is how a poor management is shaping poor referees. What kind of message have received now the guys like Siebert, Hategan - 'you shoud referee like Brych to go further'? It is another topic but giving the fact that the VAR project is also not going well I think that Mr Rosetti has discredited himself enough. Time for a change?
ReplyDeleteSo many Brych's fans on here. He can be happy today! He and Rosetti spat in other referees' faces. You are doing the same.
ReplyDeleteShow me another referee with no big mistakes and without VAR intervention, please.
DeleteShow me another referee who presented total lack of control in his game. I will answer: only Ekberg.
DeleteLots of hates on Ekberg was also unnecessary: he had some problems, but still not bad performance by him ať all.
DeleteWell, "total lack of control" fits for another kind of refeering than Brych's in this game.
"He and Rosetti spat in other referees' faces. You are doing the same"
DeleteJesus, calm down and stop beeing hysterical.
Yes, they spat in other referees' faces. Exactly like that. And I don't need your advices, thanks.
DeleteI think it's hilarious that you're surprised by this appointment. Everyone in their right mind knew before the tournament started that Kuipers, Brych and Makellie (plus Lahoz) were the top 5 Refs in UEFA. One of them was always gonna get the final. One "bad" game where he still had no impact on the outcome of the match was NEVER gonna disqualify him from further assignments.
DeleteSpoiler for you: If Kuipers doesn't screw up big time, he's gonna get the final.
What I'm actually surprised by most is that UEFA appoint a German referee to an England match one round after they knocked out Germany. In 2016, they appointed Rizzoli to the German SF right after they knocked out Italy in the QF. It gained quite some attention in Germany and some of the media were quite upset after the game despite Rizzoli not making any big mistakes.
ReplyDeleteI would have expected UEFA to learn from this. It would have easily been avoidable by switching Kuipers and Brych.
This appointment of Brych is really amazing, totally unexpected and above all absolutely undeserved. For me, this is thé surprise appointment of the whole tournament. Conclusion : no selection on basis of merits/achievements and I fear that, given this situation, Cakir will not have a SF anymore. This appointment of Brych is not serious anymore, but that is also the case, sometimes, in real life...
ReplyDeleteAnd this is the problem when you evaluate your referees like if you were MARCA (for citing just one) instead of UEFA Refereeing Committee. What this tells the referees is: make as many mistakes as you want, lose control, don't take the approach that best suits the game and the teams, do whatever you want as long as it doesn't happen inside the penalty area and you do not appear as a possible cause of a team's elimination.
ReplyDeleteBecause if the "media" criteria was so important for them that made them send the 2 referees of this season club competitions finals home (and I can find at least 2 names who have performed worse and surprise, they are together appointed in the QF), Brych should be home as well. Even though he might not have appeared in the news the following day (which I don't really know), his weak performance was noted live by the public and the commentators (at least in Spain).
So the word that comes to my mind is "unfair".
+1... Just to add that not only the word 'unfair' came to my mind :)
DeleteRight, my thoughts regarding the appointments.
ReplyDeleteKuipers:
I guess expected appointment. Even though I don't agree at all with the path committee has chosen for him (3 "easy" games, no "top" matches involing "big" teams) + his performances haven't been that impressive, it's quite clear that he'll get the final now. I think it would have been better to test him in a "big" match in this tournament before getting the final but what can we do about it... Or maybe I'm completely wrong and it's his last game and he only gets this match because he didn't impress committee recently as a farewell :D
Brych:
Well... I'm German, so obviously biased, but Brych definitely didn't deserve another game! I praised Rosetti for applying performance principle in this tournament but with this appointment, it's clear he doesn't care... If committee thought his performance in BEL-POR was good enough, surely he should get a SF. But he got a QF instead, so they thought, like everyone else, his performance wasn't good enough. I don't know if it's some type of farewell gift as he probably was planned for a SF, especially with Germany out, maybe even the final but this appointment is disrespectful towards every other referee in this tournament who performed well.
And I think it's not the best that both referees now have teams involved that knocked their country out in R16 (CZE beat NED, ENG beat GER)...
Look, some of us were clearly saying that Brych's performance in Bel vs Por was EXCELLENT, but they were bashed here by almost everyone.
ReplyDeleteIn that Bel vs Por game, the only clear error Brych made was a missed YC for a foul on Lukaku, which was very understandable, because the referee was unsighted. Furthermore, this missed YC was NOT even a big deal because it didn't actually stop Lukaku from playing the ball. Overall, that missed YC did NOT seriously affect Brych's performance, as it was EXCELLENT.
A KO game between Bel and Por, is always going to be intense, and it's part of what makes football interesting. UEFA does NOT want referees to kill the passion and the intense nature of football. And in that game, Brych did not kill the passion by issuing unnecessary YCs or RCs, and he NEVER lost control, even though there were a couple of normal KO flashpoints.
Now, I hope we can all learn to respect other people's opinions about a refereeing performance even when it's different from that of the majority.
By the way, very very good QF appointments. I'm happy for Messrs Kuipers and Brych.
Idiot or troll?
DeleteAfter a few days of reading him, I'm leaning towards troll.
Delete@Unknown
DeleteYou should be ashamed at yourself for this comment. This type of disrespectful comment should never be permitted on a blog like this.
@George
DeleteReally?
Listen, I am NOT a troll at all. I'm just giving my opinion like everyone else. Many people said that we would not see Brych anymore in this Euros, but I disagreed.
And I was correct.
PS: I just however hope that my ban on this blog will be lifted.
@Lawaj
DeleteI think you have some valid points. The issue I had with Brych was his foul detection which was really poor at this level and lead to his management being tested and at times he was poor with that.
However, there were no clear and obvious errors that affected the outcome of the game - And that's how UEFA see's it too I imagine.
The other issue was that other referees have performed better than Brych overall (Karasev/Rapallini), so, should he deserve a KO game in the middle?
You are right Lawaj. Felix Brych didn't do much wrong in that game. People were just unnecessarily concluding and writing him off.
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DeleteI see your point too. Indeed Karasev and Rapallini have been excellent so far, and they deserve at least one more game at this Euros.
The only risk is that if Rapallini or Karasev make a game changing mistake in a SF, many people will critisize UEFA more for appointing them in the first place, rather than going with a safe and high profile referee choice like Orsato, Makkiele, Kuipers etc
So UEFA are trying to play it safe by appointing very experienced refs that have not yet made big mistakes on the competition so far.
I agree @Lawaj that is the logical conclusion for the appointment of Brych
Delete@Gozie Joe
DeleteExactly!!!
Usually, KO games between 2 top teams with a 1-0 scoreline tend to get hot at the closing stages because one team is desperately chasing an equalizer, and it is easy for one to get carried away by thinking that this 'hotness' is the referee's fault.
@Alfie75
DeleteYeah.
I was expecting 2 big names at second part of qf. But i was expecting Cakir more than Brych. Now we can talk about Brych will not get SF definitely. He can finish the tournament after this game or get the final. Kuipers is the most powerful candidate for the final IMO. But if you ask who deserved more i would say definitely Cakir based on performance. We can see this politic decisions one more time.
ReplyDeleteActually appointments started very well deserved based on performance at the beginning. Then same scenario started after some time passes. I am really disappointed at committee.
Cakir will not get the final no matter how well he performs, that’s the beauty of politics
DeleteIn regards to semi's
ReplyDeleteCakir is for sure involved.
As I said yesterday, If Kuipers comes through and is saved for the final, I just can't see another dutchman involved as referee in the other semi.
So the choice I would imagine would be either Orsato or Taylor.
Cakir has been the best referee at this tournament in in terms of performance but obviously he won’t get the final for political reasons, I hope he gets at least the semi final
DeleteRizolli refereed Argentina 3 times during WC 2014
ReplyDeleteLet me say I am amazed with Brych’s appointment. However, my impression is that he would have been a final or semi-final candidate with the elimination of Germany, although this QF appointment could be a clear signal that committee is dissatisfied with his last performance. Probably because Brych will stop after this Euro this QF will mainly be based on appreciation for his career. Somewhere we also have to understand and respect that. Compared to Lahoz, we don't know what went on behind the scenes. Kuipers is very clearly brought to the final with low profile matches. Not entirely fair because if you want to be the best you have to be able to handle the big and difficult matches too. But this route seems already predetermined.
ReplyDeleteSF: Makkelie, Cakir / Makkelie, Taylor
F: Kuipers, 4th Brych
Agreed
Delete+1 excellent evaluation, agreed entirely.
DeleteIf Vincic passed Bel-Ita, he still should be strongest final candidate than Kuipers.
ReplyDeleteKuipers had two not difficult matches with one big mistake. It is not enough for the final. Kuipers final nomination would be only political decission. I know, that Rosetti makes political decisions, it is obvious.
Show me one tournament within the last 20 years where the final was not officiated by one of the top 5 Refs (standing before the tournament). No matter how could your tournament is, you won"t get the final if you're not a big name.
DeleteMost predicted referees for QFs played on 3rd July:
ReplyDeleteCZE-DEN: 1. KUIPERS (41 votes / 23%), 2. Hategan (30 votes / 16,9%), 3. Vinčić (28 votes / 15,7%)
UKR-ENG: 1. DEL CERRO GRANDE (64 votes / 36,2%), 2. Kuipers (30 votes / 16,9%), 3. Hategan (26 votes / 14,7%)
UEFA assigns Brych or Kuipers to easy matches to use in the final
ReplyDeleteI read a lot of angry reactions about the so called political appointments. Let me be clear, I think Brych´s performance in the Belgium-Portugal was very unconvincing and there would be have been better options for this game.
ReplyDeleteBut when we talk about planning referees for certain later stage games I wonder, what is so bad about that? Is it bad to think before tournament which referees could be the best options for final and semi-finals? Kuipers and Brych were definitely the safest hands for the biggest UCL clashes in the previous seasons. They are very reliable and they have a good reputation for a reason.
Of course, if they very clearly make mistakes or don't manage games well (like Turpin, Lahoz and for me also Brych and Orsato) you can make other decisions (like I think happened now because Brych was surely planned for more than a QF), but a bit of planning and dividing your best and most reliable referees over the biggest games, I just don't get why that is so bad? It can also be seen as proper management, especially when you're transparant about it to the referees themselves...
Well, I think it is a bad and unfair management if you decide before the tournament who should get the semifinals and the final... Because fair to all referees would be if they would reward based on actual form and performances, not based on political issues and big name from last years.
DeleteI am not surprised. I have been going on about the politics behind Rosetti for months, all with criticism
ReplyDeleteGuys, Cakir was never an option due to politics. Of all options for the final, Turpin, Lahoz, Orsato and Brych all didn’t convince, so they are out, which means only Kuipers and Taylor are left. Since England is still in, they HAVE to give Kuipers an easy route, since they won’t have an option otherwise. I’m convinced that if Brych had been excellent in Belgium - Portugal, we would have seen Kuipers in Italy - Belgium, but that is not an option anymore. It sucks that we have the political situation regarding Cakir, but otherwise it is completely logical to ‘save’ your last option for the final.
ReplyDeleteThat is probably why the appointment took more time as well, they had to change it last-minute. Also, the public expects a name that is widely known for the final of the EUROs, so a good performing referee like Karasev is probably not an option due to that criterium alone.
DeleteWhat a mess since Holland and Germany eliminated so early lol
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ReplyDeleteIt’s funny to see some bashing of Makkelie. His season started with EL final, he did 7 CL matches including R16 - QF - SF and we were all talking about Makkelie or Lahoz for the CL final. He did the SF Club World Cup. Then during EURO he got the opening match Italy vs Turkey, the sensitive match Russia vs Finland and in R16 England vs Germany (masterclass performance). And still nobody thinks he is a final candidate?
ReplyDeleteDavid, I agree that Makkelie did a good job but considering his age, I think this EURO final will go to some more "experienced" names, such as Cakir and Kuipers. I definitely see Makkelie as a possible final candidate in next EURO, but for sure, everything is performance based.
DeleteMakkelie will have at least 4 more tournaments in his career before he retires, the same cannot be said for Cakir and certainly Kuipers.
DeleteI believe that, based on the performance principle, Makkelie now seems stronger than Kuipers for the final. The fact that Rosetti was out there observing Makkelie speaks volumes, I guess.
DeleteThe problem with Makkelie is that if there is a Dutch candidate for the final, it will be Kuipers. Makkelie is 10 years younger than Kuipers and will be one of UEFA and FIFA's top referees for the next decade of tournaments. I would say he is almost certain for a major final if he keeps refereeing like he is now. Typically, you don't see referees do more than one major international final, and UEFA has a string of several officials in their mid-40s who have not had one and on paper deserve it.
DeleteI'll say this again, I just can't see 2 dutchmen refereeing 2 of the last 3 matches. I'd eat my hat if that happens!
DeleteIf Kuipers has a good QF and is set for the final, then the best I think Makkelie can get is a 4th official appointment in the semi's. That's a great showing!!
Thanks UEFA ! Felix is back
ReplyDeleteMany here said that it's finish. No.
CdC 4th official : good choice. No more !
Brych and Kuipers, good appointments
1. Brych's appointment is totally undeserved, IMO he should not get any other games after R16.
ReplyDelete2. IMO no matter how Brych performs in QF, he will not get games in SF and F
3. We can see committee always love surprising us
4. If Kuipers performs well in QF, I would consider he is very likely to get the final, otherwise, it should be Cakir
You were one the people that said the same thing after the R16 game. I told you then what I tell you now: If you're a big name you can have a below average game and still proceed because the committee knows what you're capable of. If Brych has a magnificent game, everything will be possible (unless Kuipers has a great game as well - in that case the final is his)
DeleteThat's why I said the committee love surprising us. I still see Kuipers is the most possible final candidates at this point, unless he is terrible in QF.
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4to: Eber Aquino (PAR)
VAR: Ricardo de Burgos (ESP)
AVAR 1: Jose Luis Munuera (ESP)
AVAR 2: Milciades Saldivar (PAR)
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ReplyDeleteThere has only been one case so far, where a team had two different referees from the same country throughout the tournament (France with the Spanish referees).
And two such games in a row were completely avoided.
Maybe it's just coincidence, but if UEFA indeeed looks at that, it would be another explanation why Kuipers and Brych are not swapped.
I read on this blog the delay in the ITABEL appointment may have had something to do with a complaint by one of the teams regarding the designated officials.
ReplyDeleteAssuming teams have their say in who is appointed in this stage of the tournament, would Bjorn Kuipers be accepted as referee by a team facing Belgium in the final? Knowing they speak the same language and knowing there has been quite a long cooperation between Belgian and Dutch FA refereeing departments, where Belgian refs took charge of games in Dutch league and vice versa.
Off course that all should make no difference, but in the eyes of the public it may be a reason to withold the final from Kuipers if Belgium were to be involved.
And as a sidenote: based on performance, there should be only 1 candidate for the finale: Cakir.
Also Rapallini and Vincic.
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As per Turkish Media, Cakir and other 6 refereeing teams are invited to London. Do you have any further information?
ReplyDeleteI suppose that referees are next: Cakir, Vincic, Kuipers, Makellie, Rappalini. Other two for me are still in question.
DeleteI would guess: Cakir, Taylor, Vincic, Kuipers, Makkelie, Karasev, Orsato.
DeleteSiebert surely is among them. You can't let this young gun go home after strong performance. I expect 4th official duty for him in semifinal. Then, with the rest, I agree with Joe Hartless minus Taylor.
DeleteIf that's true, then I'd generally agree with Joe Hartless - they only 1 that may not have gone would be Karasev and Oliver replaces (purely on the QF appointment and nothing else). I can see the logic in bringing Karasev however!
DeleteI'm hearing that Orsato is out, in which case I believe Rapallini is the other name. Oliver is highly unlikely IMO, especially with England still in the tournament and Taylor already there. Rosetti's positive comments about Taylor after the group stage means he is surely in the last group.
DeleteVincic, Rapallini, and Karasev, for all intents and purposes, are only there as 4th officials.
This is an incredibly hostile and emotional comment section considering some/many of us are referee fans and referees ourselves – where we are normally the calm heads in stressful situations. The behaviour shown by many in these comments is exactly the type of behaviour we shake our head at when we see it from fans and pundits on social media.
ReplyDeleteMikael, I'm looking at you in particular, as an admin of the blog, your entirely unprofessional comment near the top has allowed this to turn into an incredibly judgmental and negative comment section.
Regarding the appointment: I am convinced, at this point, the blog would have gone into meltdown no matter who the referee was. Del Cerro? "Horrible group stage, no way." Orsato? LOL. Karasev no, because of Ukraine. Makkelie no, because ENG-GER. Kuipers/Vincic/Oliver already have games. Taylor no, England. Siebert no, "Too young." Hategan? "UEFA wants this game to end 10v10 then." Cakir? "What about semifinal?!" Rapallini? "Can't be given favouritism because he's from South America."
There is no one who you guys would have accepted for this game. Stop whining and trying to perform UEFA's job for them. It's absolutely embarrassing.
Joe full of respect for you, but you shold know that everybody of us strngly belive that England will be in SF, so both Engleshmans are done with championship. Karasev was very solid,also as Hategan but they are not (based on merit better than Rapallini). Orsato has been sented home. So, in according with that, guys that stay are : Kuipers, Makellie,Cakir,Vincic,Rapallini. Im almost sure for this 5 guys. Two names are lets say still unknown. And one more thing, when one confedration like UEFA call the referee from opther confederation (now it is Conmebol), be sure that Uefa make all referees equall, and gave them chance based on merit. Thats how I see it. Cheers, man!!!
DeleteChapeau Joe, I couldn't have said it better. I also want to share my disappointment with the level of emotionality in todays blog messages. Chefren, please take action.
DeleteI ADMIRE (!) the work of the blog administrators. But today it went over the top. It became obvious that certain users (MikaelW, RayHD, some others) felt personally involved by reading todays appointments. This seems to stem from the belief UEFA would really care what's written here.
I went through all comments: majority were confrontative, insultive, personally opinioned, no discussion about facts and arguments. Just strong adjectives, but no strong arguments.
Please respect the career of the top referees we are following. So: congrats to Felix and Bjorn for top appointments! Please respect the technical and political challenges refereeing managers face during a tournament - if you have never been in responsibility for a referee group it's easy to say "shame on you, referee officer!". Respect for Mr Rosetti and his team. We all know not only performance counted, but compared to last competitions, it counted more than under Mr Collina.
You are so wrong and unfair mate. Read the other quarter final appointment Page about bel-ita and spa-swi. Everybody appreciate the appointments of vincic and Oliver. İt would be the same if they appoint siebert or karasev or hategan or cakir or rapallini for this match. But they appoonted felix brych just to make german federation happy after his scandalous performance in bel-por match. He is out of form and its unfair to other referees, just that we are concerned.
DeleteAgain. "you are so wrong and unfair". Personal confrontation instead of exchange of arguments, that's what I mean.
DeleteWhy I have this strange feeling that many of the people here who protect so desperately the decisions of the Committee are actually some of the Committee's members? Because there is absolutely no other explanation which could justify the new appointment of Brych or the ongoig tolerating and pushing of Kuipers. Now this guys have turned also against the Admins after so many years of good and honest work by Mikael and Chefren.
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DeleteYour comment is frankly laughable, and incredibly ironic. How about the "so many years of good and honest work" by BRYCH and KUIPERS? Does that count for nothing?
For your information, I am a 25 year old referee from Canada. Supporting the referees at this tournament, no matter which match they are whistling, is what we should all be doing.
And, quite honestly, I think the Committee has better things to do than argue with people on an online forum.
Joe Hartless, first of all I wish you a long and successful career. Last time when I checked the definition of the word "blog" it says: blog is a discussion or informational website published on the World Wide Web consisting of discrete, often informal diary-style text entries (posts). That's what I use it for - to share my opinion freely without insulting the other members of the conversation. I don't know why you think that you are entitled to qualify my honest opinion and even more to explain to me what I should do. Your proposal to support the referees and the committee at any cost I find completely double faced, cynical and in a staring contrast with my education. As a free person I am entitled to express my opinion every time when I have one and the desire to share it.
DeleteThe argument is one and so obvious: Brych's performance was one of the worst at the EURO and he was, unfairly to others, rewarded with a QF.
DeleteIt's puzzling that you deliberately(?) skipped this FACT only to blindly defend your idols using pretentious and arrogant tone .
You also deliberately(?) skipped the fact that Brych and Kuipers were oddly kept away from spotlight while other equally experienced referee, Mateu Lahoz, got two very hot and expectedly very challenging clashes (ENG-SCO, FRA-POR). Could you explain why UEFA Referee Committee treated Mateu Lahoz differently to Brych and Kuipers?
So if you don't see arguments (that you didn't offerred too!), you don't want to see them and I don't even want to know why and what is the purpose of your comments, Joe Hartless and ron_referee.
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Delete"I don't know why you think that you are entitled to qualify my honest opinion and even more to explain to me what I should do. Your proposal to support the referees and the committee at any cost I find completely double faced, cynical and in a staring contrast with my education."
Well said!!! I fully agree with you!
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DeleteI said nothing about you as a person, I have no idea who you are. I expressed disagreement about your comment, which is also my right to do so. I never said anything about protecting the committee at any cost – I support the REFEREES at any cost. I wish them the best on the pitch, no matter their identity.
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I'm "deliberately (?)" skipping over the fact as I am not a Committee member and am not in a position to critique their decision-making. I cannot tell you with certainty why Kuipers was given lower-profile matches so far. Brych has had one big match, Lahoz had two.
That said, for me, and this applies in all areas of life, for those who have built up more credibility and have greater experience in any skill, I will give them greater latitude when they make mistakes.
Brych for sure fid not have his best day in BEL/POR match. But talking about a "scandalous" performance is absolutely absurd and can only be understood knowing that exactly some of those guys accusing Rosetti and UEFA comission having political reasons are using their comments in a way, that is nothing else than political, too.
ReplyDeleteWhy does nearly Noone here praise the fact that according to the performances we have seen by the refs this was definitely the best tournament ever???
So, gents, keep on playing the smoking gun instead of trying to Analyse objectively. If you did, you would find out that there was NOT ANY SCANDAL at the EURO and nearly no crucial mistakes.
The from the most here requested pure performance principle cannot stand, too. Performances at this EURO are important (if not, Brych would have got a HF or the final for sure), but even long experience and the performances in the season before are important factors for the decisions of the comittee. If not and we would only give matches according to the tournament performances ignoring all the other factors then Siebert, Taylor and Cakir would be the only possible choice.
Well. I still go for Cakir, knowing that Kuipers is the favorite. But if you ask me, I would really say that according all aspects of refereeing Cakir, the cool grandseigneur and communicator on the field would deserve the final as nobody else.
Just an observation
ReplyDeleteCould we have the final team on the CZE v DEN qf in Kuipers/Karasev/Van Boekel?
Obviously if they perform!
whoops not sure why that has happened 3 times, can 2 be deleted please (sorry)
ReplyDeleteIMO Rosetti has purposefully given Brych and Kuipers teams that knocked out their own respective countries to set them up. If they mess up we all know what scrutiny they will get from the press and media and ultimately UEFA themselves.
ReplyDeleteThis is the only way Rosetti can make sure his countryman Orsato gets the final.
Orsato goes home!!! He is not anymore at Euro, I suppose. I read that info somewhere at this blog.
DeleteSource- Italian newspapers
DeleteNot too sure how reliable these sources are
DeleteLots of publicity crictising the decision of brych in England Ukraine after England knocking Germany out and the rilvary between the 2 nations
ReplyDeleteI’m sure felix will be fair as usual
Yes. The more I think about it, the (even) funnier the whole thing gets.
DeleteIf you wanted to appoint Kuipers and Brych for Saturday together, the logical thing would be the Dutchman for UKRENG and CZEDEN for Brych, given that the football results in the R16.
However, UEFA really don't care about throwing Brych under the media bus, putting him under so unnecessary pressure by giving him England - so long as they minimise the risk that Kuipers won't make a mistake which could rule him out of the final!(!)
You actually couldn't make it up! The whole joke would be so much funnier if it wasn't actually reality - which of course it actually is.
I completely agree with you Mikael but I am just waaiting for the funniest part - Kuipers is in such a bad form that he is fully capable of failing big in CZEDEN. I didn't believe that I would be happy if ANY referee fails but I have never expected so much undeserved tolerating to somebody. Maybe just my sense for justice is speaking...
DeleteWow... disgusting comment @3303, hoping that a referee will fail. Come on, we should be supportive to referees on this blog, whether we agree with the appointment or not.
DeleteMarco I Should be entitled t have my own opinion. I am not obliged to support blindly anybody. And I am wandering if you always support the referees how can you give an objective opinion? This is a blog where we freely express our true thoughts. If you want to be a cheerleader you can create your own blog. If I don't point a mistake or what is not right for me I don't see how I can be useful. Blindly supporting and approving everything wrong for me is double faced and cynical. You tell me what helps more.
DeleteI agree with Mikael but I you have to remember Czech knocked out the Dutch also.
Delete@3303 I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you, but I think you misunderstood my message. Ofcourse we can express our opinions about referee decisions and be critical here. I do that as well myself and I certainly do not support every decision.
DeleteBut what you did in this previous message was not criticising a referee for a specific decision he made, but expressing your hope he will fail in the future. I just can't imagine that, but that might me my love for the game itself...
It is pretty clear that Rosetti has a majour sympathy for Brych. Yes, he is a very good referee, I think in Top 3 in Europe, but it is second time this year when absolutely no one would guess he will get a specific match. The other moment was when he got the UEL semi, second leg, after a UCL semi first leg. And it was not even a potentially very difficult match after the first leg result. It was a huge surprise and so is now. The problem now is that his last performance was consideres bybmost of the people under the average. But when Rosetti likes you blindely...
ReplyDeleteYes Orsato and his team are return in Italy yesterday
ReplyDeleteSo which referees are left? Kuipers, Cakir, Brych and Makkelie, am I missing anyone?
Deletehategan, del cerro , taylor, Vincic ,Karasev , Rapallini
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ReplyDeleteFrom start 2021/22 season 1st League in Poland with VAR! (League after Ekstraklasa)
I know from experience (being 'Rosetti' in another sport) that when one gets to final stages of an event, it becomes a dilemma for the assignments (generally and for specific games): should I go with less experienced referees who have shown great form in this event, or should I go with very experienced referees who have been great in the past but have made some unusual mistake(s) this time? If a game gets mediocre refereeing, the teams may say "at least they gave us a top referee"; but if they got a newer referee they will say "why did they decide to experiment in our game? I think UEFA/Rosetti has had a good balance this time, giving chances to Vincic, Oliver, Karasev, Siebert beyond what was expected. In cases like Brych and Kuipers who have rescued UEFA (and FIFA) on many occasions in the past, I think they are right in not throwing them out in an inhumane way; the QF jobs tomorrow are OK and if Kuipers does fine, then he could get more; by contrast I think Brych's stumbles this time means QF should be the end; I am very happy to see Cakir back in form so I support him!
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