Friday, 9 December 2022

Michael Oliver in Quarterfinal Croatia - Brazil (discussion)

The English referee kicks off the Quarterfinals of 2022 World Cup, by officiating the tie with Croatia and Brazil, a game that in 2014 edition led Japanese referee Yuichi Nishimura to some troubles.  Let's see how things will turn for him. 



Game 58 - Al Rayyan (16:00 CET)
CROATIA - BRAZIL
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1:Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Gary Beswick (ENG) 
Fourth Official: Mustapha Ghorbal (ALG)
Reserve Assistant Referee: Abdelhak Etchiali (ALG)
Video Assistant Referee: Paulus van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA) 
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Kathryn Nesbitt (USA) 
Support Video Assistant Referee: Juan Soto (VEN) 
Standby Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mokrane Gourari (ALG)

92 comments:

  1. Oliver is over his head here. If Croatia takes a lead he won't be able to control. Like Taylor before him, he thinks he's bigger than game (his double caution/red card on same play like Taylor's ending game on corner kick).

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    1. It does seem like a higher match than he might get in CL, but he does get top matches in PL, so let's see.

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    2. Nothing like a bit of support before a game!

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  2. John M, as someone who knows Michael, I can tell you, you cannot be further from the truth

    He is very humble, aware of his role but confident in his own abilities

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    1. He is doing very well until now

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    2. really? watch the game Croatia x Brazil he and the others referees couldn't make worst decisions. That was a bizarre job made by them

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  3. 24' A little harsher contact with studs to face and YC becomes RC for SFP.

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  4. Indirect free kick missed?

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    1. A pass with the knee or thigh is not a kick. Kick is with the foot or ankle.

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  5. Istvan Kocavs already sent home, his Girlfriend confirm on Insta Story post about Hublot watch Limited World Cup 2022 Edition which is Referees watch for this Tournament same as WC 2018 Russia

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    1. What is her IG username?

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    2. @fazakasdenisa is her IG

      Kovacs IG is @Tisza23 (deactivated) since World Cup 2022 start.
      focus on Tournament

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  6. Bad positioning and no clear signaling so far. I hope a little bit more of Oliver by that I already read here.

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  7. 43' Oliver stopped the match to check on leg/foot injury of Brazilian player when Crotia in possession and about to begin attack. Might have blown whistle too fast.

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  8. This could be one of the most boring first halves I have seen.

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  9. Oliver quite decent so far, but not really helping to keep the pace in the game with some petty retakes, being (over)precise.

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  10. Good half from Oliver, game has been quite tetchy but under control so far. Very good decision to award a YC and not a RC for the high boot.

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    1. Good performance for me as well, game is under full control, no major issues IMO. Oliver with his usual style, it ensures a good grip over the proceedings. I agree with you about the YC/RC situation.

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  11. Missing PK for Brazil at 47'

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    1. The big question is, which offside was called and whether that was correct. If this happened before the handball, the rest becomes irrelevant.
      If not, the arm position was indeed not fully natural...

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    2. Hand seems to be in natural position but enlarging body. I am more on penalty side because of the Ball is not from close renge. More reckless body control.

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    3. IMO a clear penalty to be whistled. Ball came from a long distance, hit the lower arm which was too far away from the body, arm even slightly moved to the ball and the ball was not headed onto the arm by the defender himself.
      The offside offence came only after the handball, so had no effect on the assessment of the handball by video match officials.
      Wrong decision by Oliver as well as VAR in my book.

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    4. For me its a wrong Collina's decisions assigned a dutch on VAR for this match. The Netherlands can be the future opponent for the winner of this game on SFs

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  12. I don't know you, but I'm not exactly a fan of Oliver's refereeing style

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    1. It's without energy and bad whistle technique and body language.

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  13. Correct decision for no OFR for handball. Common sense prevails

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  14. I feel like he's been a bit too close to the play a few times, but otherwise he's been fine. Has the game under full control for now.

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  15. I hope the ARG game is not as boring as this one

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  16. 61' Looked like clear push on Modric missed.

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  17. The alleged offside at 48' is one of the worst affirmative offside decisions I've seen at a WC since the 3/4 playoff match in 1990. I cannot even fathom what Burt thought he was calling.

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    1. Nevermind. I understand it now. Very hard to piece together but credit to Burt. Player in OSP off the first ball, Neymar challenges but never touches the ball, then the ball hits the arm of the Croatian defender, so there is no recent.

      Truly an amazing call. So amazing that I thought it was poor!

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    2. Well explained and he did it in a split second. Wow

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    3. do you have wideo form that?

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    4. Indeed, i was puzzled for a while too but ignored the obvious!. Very good awareness.

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  18. IMO a plainly wrong caution to Casemiro in 68. Just an accidental contact, no reckless play or SPA involved. Oliver misled by the Kramaric shouting

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  19. Great no call in 73" for apparent obstruction but not there in replay.

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  20. https://streamable.com/8v718n
    First handball/offside decision

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    1. How this is not a penalty is beyond me… The defender even twists his arm and moves it to the ball.

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    2. So offside is correct (as long as the handball is not considered deliberate), but the handball happens before.

      IMO there are some strong arguments for penalty. While he clearly doesn't want to play the ball, it is an expected ball and his arms are far away from the body. The question is, whether there is a justification (stabilizing?) for that or not. Also his arm moves towards the ball slightly after missing the header, which could be a reflex movement (or a complete accident).
      Also considering other comment, it seems to be in the grey area though, so no intervention appears to be right.

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  21. I'm usually not a fan of Oliver and his style, but I feel it suits the match well today and he's handling things really nicely so far.

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    1. +1 seems well respected by both teams

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    2. Fully agree, and to be respected by Neymar means something.

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  22. Sorry but this is a clear penalty before the offside (correct to consider the handball as deflection and not deliberate play, but it is a punishable handball and a milestone penalty!).

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    1. That's what I'm seeing as well - trying hard to find arguments against the penalty here - the defender's arms are very far from his body and the ball is not unexpected - I wonder why this didn't go to review

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  23. 91' Contact on back of leg and push in back missed by Oliver.

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  24. I'm surprised Van Boekel didn't ask Oliver to go to the screen as we have seen those given!

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  25. 92' Missed YC for Croatian hand to throat pushing playing down with force. I think no foul called.

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  26. Missed foul on BRA19 at 93'. For me so clear. Assistant fail

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  27. 2 blatant fouls missed and one YC from Oliver at the start of OT. Very bad start. Then missed YC for Neymar. He is losing

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    1. He's not losing - please!!
      IMO he's done well up to now

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  28. 94' Neymar's two kicks to player's legs missed YC, said commentator.

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    1. I fear PL's more lenient style may get one into trouble in these more heated international matches.

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    2. For me perfect. Let them play Oliver is doing great. I am a fan

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  29. Good reffing . No fouls 3 times actong from Brazil Antony has to watch himself.
    He will get a YC soon

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  30. Hand in the face missed but apart from that I'm loving this reffing style, really helps with the flow. Good job Oliver

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  31. Missed YC for Perisic and Raphinha at 104'

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    1. Nonsense. Just an argument nothing more. Oliver calmed it perfectly. Drop the agenda

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    2. Agree @Ross some people just want to find fault!

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    3. What game are you watching? there's been a spark between the two of you for a while

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    4. What game are you watching more to the point?

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  32. Wonderful advantage from Oliver before Croatia goal. Top refereeing

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  33. Excellent advantage by Oliver for the 1-1.
    Very good performance in my view - the only thing I am not convinced about is the offside/handball situation.

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    1. Which although he waves away in real time, it looks from the high angle as though he hasn't got the clearest view of it, and therefore needs some guidance for a review/overturn

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    2. Agreed - I don't think it's an easy call to make in real time from his position. Let it be said that Oliver is trying to get the best angles: he is very fit and it shows.

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    3. what about this foul that was right before the play which was responsible by the croatia goal

      https://streamable.com/ti5v2x

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  34. Superb officiating. Top referee

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  35. I would have liked YC at 120' for hard foul in back of Brazillian player's leg. Good overall but missing too many things to make it very good performance, IMO.

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    1. Maybe it's a matter of opinion: whether one likes Brych's more lenient style or Cakir's more strict style. Seeing where it got Cakir, more people seem to prefer the former.

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  36. I think overall Oliver should be very pleased with his tournament. He had a good game today. However, I think this is where his journey finishes.

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  37. And...Now? LOL
    Orsato with Croatia? Breaking the rule?

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  38. 3 matches for Oliver, and 3 very good performances. Even if England don't progress tomorrow, I don't think he will get the appointment for the final. Well done to him and his ARs

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  39. Excellent Oliver tonight. Very calm and respected from both teams.

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  40. Excellent performance by Oliver. Maybe one or two missed YCs, but overall great performance

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  41. For me just median performance. Nothing special, sometimes a little bit confused in signaling, sometimes with wrong positioning in following the moves, missing some clear fouls, extremely rigorous for correct position to give the ball on game again, a little too lenient in disciplinar aspect (specially btw Anthony and Perisic, in several moments), but overall he is OK, discreet and with good management of the match. Good, but honestely I dont believe to see him in charge of any other game in this WC!

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    1. This is nice comment after your different comments during the match. Almost praise. Close to agree that this World Cup quarter final was good performance (with some areas to improve)

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  42. Now I see the whole situation when there was handling in Croatian PK area, but offside was whistled. It was 100% wrong decision! The player that was offside had 0 effect on the play, he was not it the ball playing area. It was clear penalty and enormous error from Oliver who was very close and VAR team with both Van Boekel nand Irrati. Just incredible mistake! That had to be penalty, we had lot of this kind VAR penalties, we had it even here on WC so it is really incredible.

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  43. Analysis

    Key Match Incidents:

    48’ - https://streamable.com/e7tqg5
    Penalty area incident: handball. The offside call by Stuart Burt is excellent - to keep the player in an offside position in mind, determine that he was active later and delay the call was masterclass indeed. But the handball occurred before the offside offence so it should be assessed isolatedly and, in case of punishable handball, a penalty had to be given.
    We can find strong arguments pro penalty: fully expected ball played from a very long distance and an arm making the body bigger.
    But there are also some arguments against it: arm used for balance, player focused on playing the ball with his head.
    In the end, I think a commonsensical decision has been taken by Michael Oliver (and Pol van Boekel) - no offence. The CRO player didn’t intend to play the ball with his hand nor to gain an unsporting advantage by using his arm in the way he did. Although deliberateness is not needed anymore in the LotG, so by the book penalty would've been correct as well…

    94’ - https://streamable.com/3s08cm
    Possible red card for violent conduct. Shortly after Oliver and Beswick missed illegal use of arm by 19CRO, 10BRA broke up Croatia action by committing a careless tripping offence against 11CRO. The problem is with another kicking movement by 10BRA that ends up on an - already falling opponent - ’s knee. One can say: deliberate!, the other will say: he tried to kick the ball! OK, but at least a yellow card should have been issued by the referee whose reaction was really weak in this scene.

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    1. Overview:

      Michael Oliver’s quiet and empathic approach worked generally well in this game, helping to earn respect from the players, although one may ask whether he was really in control in the last 15’ of second half and in the first half of extra-time. Not much blame on the referee as FIFA obviously want the games ending with 22 players on the pitch what already led to some overly lenient performances and lost control in other games…

      It wasn’t a faultless performance but mainly due to above-mentioned FIFA’s expectations. We already knew that delaying the restart by blatantly kicking the ball away after whistle (26’, 100’) and dissenting behaviour by players and benches (26’, 27’, 28’, 41’, 75’, 87’, 93’, 98’) is simply ignored at this tournament. Apart from those, Oliver chose the right moments to caution players for reckless kick by 2BRA in 24’, LoR holding by 11CRO in 31’, off-the-ball kicking by 5BRA in 68’ (very harsh), SPA holding by 4BRA in 77’. Others - especially the ones for simulation of 19BRA in 74’, SPA step on foot by 10CRO in 90+3’, the above-mentioned UB/VC kick by 10BRA in 94’ and illegal use of arm + SPA impeding by 19CRO in 93’ and 94’ respectively - could / should have followed but the referee either didn’t spot them or thought they wouldn’t be valuable for the game.

      All in all, the Englishman succeeded in delivering this QF game. No penalty and no red card may be supported, add to that the excellent advantage prior to Croatia's equalizer. Disciplinary control: too lenient but in line with tournament’s standards. Despite some dissents, both sets of players rather respected his unobtrusive attitude and didn’t make the game a war. However, one can have doubts whether such a laidback approach would work in a hot clash with players focused on fouling opponents. Rather not, but today it was enough.

      Marks:
      Michael Oliver - 7
      Stuart Burt - 7
      Gary Beswick - 7
      Pol van Boekel - III

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    2. Excellent analysis, I concur with it completely (but take my opinion with a grain of salt as I'm Croatian).

      I would argue that the YCs in 90+3' and 94' were rather mandatory and definitely should have been given (one for each side). Yes, we can find arguments for Neymar's kick in 94' to be deemed VC, but I strongly believe such a decision would have been absolutely out of line and spirit of this particular game. However, a YC was a must there, at least for my taste. As for the potential handball penalty, my opinion is the same as yours.

      Lastly, I have to say I liked Oliver's style yesterday. Yes, it was certainly lenient regarding disciplinary line, however he was fully accepted and respected, ensured full control over the match and delivered a performance which was just enough for this particular game. Whether he could have adapted if things got out of hand is another question, but not an important one in the end.

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