Saturday 25 May 2024

2023/24 UEFA Women's Champions League final FC Barcelona Femení (ESP) - Olympique Lyonnais Féminin (FRA) - Referee: Rebecca Welch (ENG) - Discussion

Rebecca Welch in charge of 2023/24 UEFA Women's Champions League final. Feel free to comment here about her performance. 


25 May 2024, 18:00 CET - Bilbao (Estadio de San Mamés)  
FC Barcelona Femení (ESP) - Olympique Lyonnais Féminin (FRA)
Referee: Rebecca Welch (ENG) 
Assistant Referee 1: Natalie Aspinall (ENG) 
Assistant Referee 2: Emily Carney (ENG) 
Fourth Official: Ivana Martinčić (CRO)
Reserve Assistant Referee: Sanja Rođak-Karšić (CRO)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Katrin Rafalski (GER) 
Video Assistant Referee Support: Katalin Kulcsár (HUN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Dagmar Damková (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Maria Mifsud (MLT) 

20 comments:

  1. Other finals today:

    (Australia) Central Coast vs. Melbourne V.
    Ref: Alex King; Var: Shaun Evans

    (England) Manchester United vs. Manchester City
    Ref: Andy Madley; Var: Michael Oliver

    (Scotland) Celtic vs. Rangers
    Ref: Nick Walsh; Var: John Beaton

    (Asian CL) Yokohama FM vs. Al-Ain
    Ref: Ilgiz Tantashev; Var: Fu Ming

    (Germany) Kaiserslautern vs. B. Leverkusen
    Ref: Bastian Dankert; Var: Harm Osmers

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    1. To add!

      (CAF CL) Al-Ahly Cairo vs. Esperance Tunis
      Ref: Jean-Jacques Ndala; Var: Lahlou Benbraham

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    2. Then I will add three others!

      (France) Ol. Lyonnais vs. Paris Saint-Germain
      Ref: François Letexier; Var: Bastien Dechepy

      (Greece) Panathinaikos vs. Aris
      Ref: Stephanie Frappart; Var: Hamid Guenaoui

      Tomorrow:

      (Portugal) Porto - Sporting CP
      Ref: Fábio Veríssimo; Var: João Pinheiro

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    3. King and Madley were excellent

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    4. Madley was good, indeed. Players behaved well in general, though. Several rightly rejected penalty appeals. A pity the overall image was tarnished a little bit by a total blackout in 21' - missed offensive foul, missed blatant undermining and astonishing no YC for reckless/SPA tackle to 20MUN. Some other challenges perhaps deserved to be cautioned but he decided to stay in the background, what is surely something expected in England ('s FA Cup final).

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  2. Second YC by Dankert in German Cup final, the only player who got two yellow cards so far in first half (don't know about the first card, but maynbe this one could have been even a straight RC?):
    https://streamin.me/v/c32edad3

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    1. First card was clear SPA.
      And yes, this one was borderline to Red, but I think, YC supportable, because ball was played first and the intensity wasn't very high.
      BTW, new adidas kit on display.

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  3. Wow,what happened in Greece?

    Frappart was in charge.

    3 red cards, plenty yellows and lots of controversies.

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    1. And crucial goal in 90'+7 WOW, it must be watched!

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    2. Technically all 3 RC's were correct. But Frappart lost it a bit on foul detection (too inconsistent) and players became too agitated. Then she tried to keep the match by issuing YC's. Unfortunately, she couldn't.

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  4. Any footage of the Greek Cup Final?

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  5. Red cards issued by Frappart:

    51': https://streambug.org/cv/d00f1f
    65': https://streambug.org/cv/670739
    71': https://streambug.org/cv/35b124

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    1. 3 good decisions all made in real time. Whilst criticism of game management may be merited it's important to acknowledge KMIs being correctly dealt with

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    2. "Correctly dealt with."

      The bar is so low that it's hard to even find it.

      51' is, I suppose, fine. It's not a stamp on the foot but it's a pretty strong kick and I can see the SPA arguments given the attacker is ready to flick the ball on with his right foot. I can accept the 2CT here, but we must not kid ourselves. Even without any context, it looks and feels like a soft 2CT, particularly for a cup final. The opposing team immediately pressuring her only helps give that feel.

      65'... I don't even know what to say. First, she doesn't have it in real time. She's not going to card him. Even if you think the end result is correct, to argue this is "correctly dealt with" and "a good decision made in real time" is not supported by the evidence. Also, I'm sorry, but that's not a good card. The green player is flailing around on the ground and gets his leg in the way, where studs end up catching him. I hate this new idea that all studs are cards. It's robotic refereeing. What misconduct did the yellow player commit? A player, on the floor, throws his leg around (we used to consider this PIADM--and often still do) and the opponent gets sent off because players crowd the referee and pressure her. If you think this is good and correct, then we have a very different opinion of what those words mean.

      71' is an accurate VC card. But the management is poor. And the entire scene gives off the sense that the match was not managed well to that point.

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    3. I'm not sure why you're getting so worked up about "correctly dealt with". Making correctly decisions is not a low bar. Getting 3 KMIs correct is not "a low bar".

      The second incident is perhaps slightly softer but there is a follow-through onto the leg of the yellow

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    4. It's an extraordinarily low bar.

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  6. Women are really funny at men's matches, as Ms. Fraparte confirms game after game.

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  7. Why is Stegemann whistling Japanese match?

    Is this some derby or something else?

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