MD3 at Olympics, referee appointments.
Men's tournament
Matchday 3
New Zealand - France
Katia Garcia MEXSandra Ramirez MEX
Karen Diaz Medina MEX
Anahi Fernandez URU
Carlos Del Cerro Grande ESP
Sivakor Pu-Udom THA
Shamirah Nabaddah UGA
USA - Guinea
Tess Olofsson SWE
Almira Spahic SWE
Francesca Di Monte ITA
Frida Klarlund DEN
Paolo Valeri ITA
Kate Jacewicz AUSUkraine - Argentina
Dahane Beida MTN
Jerson Dos Santos ANG
Stephen Yiembe KENShamirah Nabaddah UGA
Rob Dieperink NED
Leodan Gonzalez URU
Elvis Noupue CMR
Liban Ahmed DJI
Kim Yujeong KOR
Morocco - Iraq
Ramon Abatti BRA
Rafael Alves BRA
Guilherme Camilo BRA
Veronika Bernatskaia KGZ
Ivan Bebek CRO
Guillermo Pacheco MEX
Dominican Republic - Uzbekistan
Mahmoud Ismail SUDElvis Noupue CMR
Liban Ahmed DJI
Kim Yujeong KOR
Rodrigo Carvajal CHI
Daiane Muniz BRA
Spain - Egypt
Drew Fischer CAN
Michael Barwegen CAN
Lyes Arfa CAN
Jelena Cvetković SRBTatiana Guzman NCA
Daneon Parchment JAM
Colombia - Canada
Rebecca Welch ENG
Emily Carney ENG
Franca Overtoom NED
Veronika Bernatskaia KGZ
Israel - Japan
Said Martinez HON
Walter Lopez HON
Christian Ramirez HON
Odette Hamilton JAM
David Coote ENG
Ovidiu Hategan ROU
Paraguay - Mali
Ilgiz Tantashev UZBAndrey Tsapenko UZB
Timur Gaynullin UZB
Glenn Nyberg SWE
Jerome Brisard FRA
Khamis Al Marri QAT
Women's tournament
Matchday 3
Rebecca Welch ENG
Emily Carney ENG
Franca Overtoom NED
Veronika Bernatskaia KGZ
Paolo Valeri ITA
David Coote ENG
New Zealand - France
Edina Alves BRANeuza Back BRA
Fabrini Costa BRA
Shamirah Nabadda UGA
Daiane Muniz BRA
Leodan Gonzalez URU
Isaak Bashevkin NOR
Australia - USA
François Letexier FRA
Cyril Mugnier FRA
Mehdi Rahmouni FRA
Anahi Fernandez URU
Jerome Brisard FRA
Carlos Del Cerro Grande
Zambia - Germany
Yoshimi Yamashita JPN
Makoto Bozono JPN
Naomu Teshirogi JPN
Frida Klarlund DEN
Ivan Bebek CRO
Mahmoud Ashour EGY
Brazil - Spain
Espen Eskas NOR
Jan Erik Engan NORIsaak Bashevkin NOR
Jelena Cvetković SRB
Rob Dieperink NED
Rodrigo Carvajal CHI
Japan - Nigeria
Emikar Calderas VEN
Migdalia Rodrigurez VEN
Mary Blanco COL
Odette Hamilton JAM
Tatiana Guzman NCA
Guillermo Pacheco MEX
Interesting, that there is no second game for Letexier and Eskas, who probably will get women's games on MD3 followed by male KO games.
ReplyDeleteAlso it looks like confederation neutrality needs to be broken for BRA-ESP given the remaining referees with only one game. I guess, Eskas or Letexier will get it.
On the other hand, the male QF are only two days after female MD3. That makes it more tricky regarding Eskas and Letexier...
DeleteYes, Letexier is a tricky one particularly given France will advance on the men's side. If you want to use him again on the men's side, you almost have to do so in the QF to be safe.
ReplyDeleteI suppose it is possible that FIFA wants to use Letexier on the women's side. It would "prove," so to speak, that even the most elite referees can crossover and given a Brazilian and Argentine already went, politically a French refereeing going seems like it is equitable. But Eskas does seem more certain.
On the men's side, I would say Abatti, Nyberg, Falcon and Penso are certain for KO games. Figuring out who else is a challenge. Beida, probably, if the matches line up. But confederational neutrality will play a big role.
I also think it's highly likely that Collina is looking for a way to get Penso on a men's medal match...
... and Collina is right to use Penso in that way. The final I think will go to Nyberg, deservedly so.
DeleteConfederational neutrality has not been broken on the men's side of the tournament for the gold medal game since it became the official FIFA U23 event in 1992. So if a European team goes through, I doubt it. I also doubt that Nyberg would see Argentina again, so the options for him to have the final seem very limited. I expect he'll get the biggest possible QF game (or saved for a semi where a UEFA team cannot qualify, if that's viable). But the final seems quite a difficult assignment for him.
DeleteConfederational neutrality hasn't been broken on a KO match at all this century, in fact. I haven't done all the research, but I suspect that's true going back to 1992 and might even be true for the group stage as well. With the breakdown of teams and officials at the Olympics, it's both easier to do and more understandable than at a World Cup.
DeleteWell, i was quite sure that Katia Garcia Would be one in the list here, and mabye Tess Olofsson, But i was wrong on all parts about Dahane Beida in ArgUkr. I think it will be a very difficult game to manage id Argentina don’t close the match early. I must admit that i know nothing about Beida. What kind of style does he have?
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think about this penalty awarded by Drew Fischer in Israel-Paraguay?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.streambug.io/cv/0bb4d4
VAR was Bebek. Overall Fischer did a sound job in an enjoyable/normal-difficulty match, even if I wouldn't describe his style as necessarily 'my cup of tea'.
I don't love it, because it's not a foul of no consequence and it's won by just sticking the leg in front of the defender--not to control the ball or actually win it.
DeleteBut I think once Bebek sends him to the monitor, at a FIFA event Fischer can't really say "no." It's a careless kicking foul per the LOTG, so what else can he do?
I do think, in an MLS match, this likely does not get send down or maybe gets rejected at the monitor. There's a little (lot?) more leeway and subjectivity on what is a clear and obvious foul.
Completely agree usaref! Exactly my view too (+ trading MLS for UEFA match).
DeleteI would describe this one as the classic "Italian penalty", with attacker creating the contact by putting a leg for the scope and the defender hitting him but without any careless action. Still, it can be penalty because clear contact, nevertheless at a certain point one should also try to understand how a contact is created. But, as I said, this kind of penalty is becoming more and more the standard for calling the referee at monitor in Italian serie A, and to be honest I don't like this trend. All VAR, for being consistent, should call such situations, otherwise it stays as very random decision. This penalty is the result of a simple reasoning: "No ball, opponent hit, penalty..." Without adding more. The argument by peopl defendinge such penalties is that an attacker has all the rights to take a position before defender...
DeleteThis is no penalty, the attack was so late to challenge for the ball he actually wasn't even sure he was going to get the ball
DeleteActually that should have been a free kick against that attack for careless play
PGMOL on Twitter has anticipated the appointment of Rebecca Welch in Colombia - Canada on Wednesday.
ReplyDeleteYes
DeleteWhere do the referees stay during the Olynpics? Are they in the Olympic village or in another city?
ReplyDeleteSo, as expected, Yamashita in Women's MD3, as well as Letexier.
ReplyDeleteThe game for the French is a very good one, among two best teams and important for qualification. But I think he would have got a Men's game without the missed red card. Second game for Calderas as well, and this was definitely in doubt. In all cases, it will be the last one. Making a comparison between how Collina makes appointments and Rosett/ UEFA, one can say that with Collina the technical argument is always first important thing...
There were 42 group stage matches and 21 referees. Confederational neutrality was maintained in all matches. And two male CONMEBOL and two male UEFA referees crossed over to the women's side.
DeleteI have close to zero doubt that every single match was sketched out before the tournament started. Yamashita's mistake didn't matter. Letexier's OFR didn't matter. Almost nothing mattered.
Confederation neutrality was broken in BRA-ESP.
DeleteCould have been avoided by e.g. swapping Eskas and Tantashev.
But yes, two games for everyone was very expected.
Fair enough on the specific factual point. But I think that actually supports the argument that it was all laid out. Eskas moving over to the women's game as a UEFA referee just makes more sense to me. It's very clear FIFA wanted trusted referees who would they felt would be able to adjust and with minimal fuss. Also, politically, if a Brazilian and Argentinian were crossing over, I imagine "fairness" means the other big confederation would also have two cross over.
DeletePut a little more impolitely, I don't think FIFA necessarily trusts Tantashev with what could always have been a delicate MD3 assignment when he probably never referees women's matches in his life.
What will be interesting now is whether or not any men crossover into the women's KO bracket. If Penso moves in one direction, you've got to think someone will move in the other. It might be Nyberg.
Situation in group A is definitely incredible, Canada got 6 points deduction, but they can still qualify after MD3... for this reason a Women's big name like Welch
ReplyDeleteAmerican women get a male referee for every group game! Any reason, or is it just coincidence?
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, FIFA refereeing is one big bullsh*t. Analysing it is waste of time. All these gender-PR moves and favouring USA/ARG is disgusting.
DeleteDominican Republic - Uzbekistan, OFR: https://dubz.co/c/938f48
ReplyDeleteSo France v Argentina KO game. Would Collina really put Penso there?
ReplyDeleteVAR appointments so far
ReplyDelete(men VAR / women VAR / men AVAR / women AVAR)
Bebek: 3/2/0/1
Valeri: 3/2/0/0
del Cerro Grande: 3/1/0/1
Brisard: 2/2/1/1
Dieperink: 2/2/1/1
Puudom: 2/0/1/1
Guzman: 1/3/2/0
Muniz: 1/2/2/0
Gonzalez: 1/1/2/1
Al Marri: 1/1/2/0
Coote: 1/1/1/1
Pacheco: 1/0/2/1
Hategan: 1/0/2/0
Carvajal: 1/0/1/2
Benbraham: 1/0/0/1
Jacewicz: 0/1/2/0
Paletta: 0/0/2/1
Ashour: 0/0/1/2
Kulcsar: 0/0/1/2
Parchment: 0/0/1/2
QF predictions
ReplyDeleteMAR-USA: Tantashev (UZB) - Calderas (VEN) - Brisard (FRA), Coote (ENG)
JPN-ESP: Falcon (ARG) - Abatti (BRA) - Carvajal (CHI), Muniz (BRA)
EGY-PAR: Nyberg (SWE) - Martinez (HON) - del Cerro Grande (ESP), Kulcsar (HUN)
FRA-ARG: Fischer (CAN) - Karboubi (MAR) - Guzman (NCA), Pacheco (MEX)
Paraguay - Mali 90' + 11' mass confrontation.
ReplyDeleteI didn't like how Tantashev managed it: both ref and AR1 in the riot without a full control, then he pointed at his ear to signal VAR check and finally he cautioned two players. In my opinion ref from Uzbekistan was doubtful about identities and waited for VAR input.
I watched most of the game... if with Irmatov Uzbekistan reached the top, honestly the contrary must be said for Tantashev... definitely not a referee worhy of wearing a FIFA badge and overall it shows us the current situation of AFC. Mikael was again right... and this one between Paraguay and Mali was not a so challenging or heated game, can't imagine the same referee in other contexts...
DeleteHow did Fischer do in his game? I didn't get to see any of it.
ReplyDeleteI watched both his games and to be honest he was pretty good. I'd define him a safe pair of hands even though he is not my favourite kind of referee. I mean he is an experienced and solid old-style referee rather than a talented modern style one (e.g. Letexier).
DeleteExcellent red card decision without hesitation by Eskas.
ReplyDeletehttps://dubz.co/c/6357cc
16 minutes of added time in Brazil - Spain :)
ReplyDeleteBrazil down to 9 players (red card and injury), just went down 2-0 17 minutes into 16 of second half stoppage time, and they still play on. They wound up playing 20, on top of 10 in the first half.
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, I love it. Too many referees would want to stop it just because they feel like it, but the game isn’t over until it’s over. It’s wayyyyy better than the horrible timekeeping we saw in the Copa America or EURO final, or what we see in the Premier League on a weekly basis, where timewasting is encouraged because so many minutes mysteriously disappear.
If referees aren’t going to properly keep track of time on their own (and why would they? It’s often against their own self-interest to take that “risk”), then competitions should consider mandating an ultra-strict obligation as Collina has chosen to do with FIFA. If this becomes commonplace around the world, timewasting tactics will decline.
As I often said in past on the blog, I agree with you. At moment, without effective time, which seems impossible for a sport like football, this is the only possible solution that recovers all the wasted time. Yes, we have something like extra times in some cases, like today with more than 16 minutes, but if they were not played before, there shouldn't be too much astonishment. All the other ways can never help in recovering the lost time. A team losing time on purpose, will always win.
DeleteGreat confusion in AUS v USA. USA have scored, but there are questions about an offside. Seems like Letexier has trouble communicating via mic and headset, after over six minutes he is now conducting an OFR...
ReplyDeleteUpdate: Goal has been confirmed, but utter pandemonium.
ReplyDeletehttps://ibb.co/wYWBGt0 :)
DeleteThere was a possible passive offside I think but OK to allow the goal.
Yamashita with a not convincing "no more" warning to a Zambian player who was already booked, in the sixth minute of added time in first half.
ReplyDeleteGood offside by the AR2 ZAM vs GER I think 70'
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