Third game for French Clément Turpin, in charge of the last quarterfinal of the tournament, Netherlands - Turkey.
Game 47, Quarterfinals
Berlin, 6 July 2024 21:00 CET
Berlin, 6 July 2024 21:00 CET
NETHERLANDS - TURKEY
Referee: Clément Turpin FRA
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos FRA
Assistant Referee 2: Benjamin Pagès FRA
Fourth Official: Felix Zwayer GER
Reserve Assistant Referee: Marco Achmüller GER
Assistant Referee 2: Benjamin Pagès FRA
Fourth Official: Felix Zwayer GER
Reserve Assistant Referee: Marco Achmüller GER
Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard FRA
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Willy Delajod FRA
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Marco Fritz GER
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Marco Fritz GER
UEFA Referee Observer: Tomasz Mikulski POL
UEFA Delegate: Filip Popovski MKD
I'll be happy to be proven wrong but I'd be surprised if this match is as easy as Oliver and Orstato's QFs.
ReplyDeleteHow are Zwayers chances for Semifinale (now where Germany is out)?
ReplyDeleteHe should be the first (and only?) alternative to Marciniak & Vincic, who are expected by most, because most of the other realistic candidates were reported to be home.
DeleteBut I think a German referee at moment definitely can't handle Spain after what happened. So in case to me only the other semifinal is possible, waiting for England's opponents.
DeleteIn case of final, should be the same, Spain must be eliminated by France in semifinal to allow Zwayer in final.
Could Bellingham’s presence mean anything with regards to Zwayer’s chances for a next appointment?
DeleteOh damn, you are right. Its Spain in semifinale 1 and Bellingham in semifinale 2, so unfortunately there is no chance for Zwayer, which is really sad for him
DeleteOrsato was allowed to referee SUI, after they eliminated ITA in R16, so Zwayer for ESP should not really be a problem.
DeleteMaybe even more problematic to appoint him for ENG due to Taylor...
So the best option for Zwayer is to wait for France - Switzerland in final, only possible appointment for him.
DeleteIndeed, Rosetti and the committee are very careful with such choices, at first there shouldn't be any controversy before kick off on he field... then, also during and after, but that's of course more difficult to ensure ;)
Well, we would have Siebert as other option for a semifinal, but I can't predict him, given how he was called for this tournament (fully unexpected).
@Philipp, Spain would immediately question a German referee for their game, 100%. It is different from normal previous games, something very big happened. But indeed, it's also true what you say about England, Taylor's country, with a possible German appointment.
DeleteNo way that Zwayer will be in the final.
DeleteDefinition of an orange card there. Think yc or rc would both be supported
ReplyDeleteMinute 30 and a very hard intervention and a yellow card but it could have been red
ReplyDeleteI might be biased but imo Simons YC min 30 is very borderline. It can be a red card.
ReplyDeleteRC would have been accepted by VAR, YC mandatory.
ReplyDeleteGood spot for YC, this was mot seen by many in live play
ReplyDeleteChefren, can we see that position again?
ReplyDeleteAgree with other people here,orange card and Simmons should be lucky that he is on the pitch.
ReplyDeleteWhat's baffling to me is that he's complaining that he didn't even commit foul.
Context of match, level of intensity, the fact his foot rolled off ball - plenty of mitigation
ReplyDeleteYC for me
+1
DeleteClearly a YC for UEFA
ReplyDeletehttps://streambug.org/cv/0a3939
In my opinion, this is ALSO an unlucky incident, because the NED player can never think he will be about to step on opponent foot in this way.
DeleteThere is a movement by fouled player, allowing the contact to be more serious. Don't misunderstand me, but that's for sure a criterion one must consider. The same challenge, made with full awareness by fouling player going to step into opponent, would have been for sure RC without discussion. Having said that, for sure VAR would have supported a RC, if issued by Turpin.
I disagree with the other argument reported by Ex Eng Ref, we shouldn't care about the context and the moment of the game, for assessing that, making always this process and trying to understand how much a player is guilty exclusively or not, about a so bad challenge.
IMO its red for seriuos foul play
DeleteIf this foul had been made by a Turkish player, he would definitely have been shown a red card.
DeleteTurpin very often shows this face like he is quite disgusted of what he is doing on the pitch, don't know if that's something related to his mental approach to game. Check about 44:55 - 45:00.
ReplyDeleteI prefer when he’s smiling but I think this is more about staying focus in the game than his real feeling.
DeleteVery nice from Turpin this first half
ReplyDeleteFor me, excellent performance by Turpin in first half. All decision were spot on, perfect body language, suitable for the match. Hope he continues like that.
ReplyDeleteMin 50 missed YC for #11 NED
ReplyDeleteWas hard to assess live. Initially wondered if it was a foul at all
ReplyDeleteWhy can referees fail to spot such blatant corners
ReplyDeleteNow a good YC shown to #6 NED
DeleteMin 54 missed corner by AR1.
ReplyDeleteYC correct for Ake, covering defender alongside
ReplyDeleteAlmost RC,but YC good decision.
ReplyDeleteVery good YC for #4 NED min 63
ReplyDeleteBased on that last angle wasnt there contact with the studs on the knee? Or did I totally misjudge it?
ReplyDeleteTurpin seems to be missing fouls by Turkey
ReplyDeleteTurpin has always been viewed well from English media. Spain v England final could be his. Orsato shouldn’t get England 3 times in 5 games.
ReplyDeleteTurpin has had enough poor England games to rule him out! Also after Germany-Scotland it would be a farce
DeleteTurpin has never been on my top ten, But today he is in full controll of the game. Top performance so far!
ReplyDeletein difference with Taylor with a similar hated match
DeleteMissed YC at least
ReplyDeleteAs an English man I'd take either German over Vincic, likewise happy to have the Polish crew too
ReplyDeleteNow missed clear YC in 79'
ReplyDeletePossible YC for Van Der Ven? Reckless
ReplyDeleteBoth attempted to play ball; as Christina Unkel explained both "entitled to challenge" and didn't go "through player"
ReplyDeleteShe has been a breath of fresh air on ITVs coverage
Attempted yes but for me only one of them got to it
DeleteAgreed! Much better than Mike Dean on sky and Peter on BT.
DeleteIn the min. 79 was a wrong call not to give a YC (it looks like the same mistake with the no YC in GER-SPA min 3)
ReplyDeleteIt was a very good performance by Turpin in a rather challenging game, but for me not the same level of difficulty seen in Spain - Germany. Correct assessment of potentially crucial incidents, like the YC in first half, and NO PENALTY in second half (this time the French was not deceived).
ReplyDeleteThe French has regained some credit after the crazy opener that definitely cost him something important in the middle of the tournament.
I think for meritocracy purposes, his tournament should be rather over, but then there is also France as another argument against him, so easy to say this was his last game. To me, still not possible to see him in final after Germany - Scotland.
Predictions:
ENG - NED Marciniak
ESP - FRA Vincic
Who is the option for the final then? Zwayer? Dias?
DeleteNothing has changed. It's almost certainty Orsato.
DeleteOrsato seems more and more unlikely though with already 4 games and possibly 3 times England out of 5 games
DeleteIn my oppinion Turpin had a great match.
ReplyDeleteIt was a very challenging match ... but he was always there to make the calls (i think more than 90% correct).
He was not afraid to make all the calls (popular or not)!
If he gets the final, it will be vell deserved!
Good job Turpin and co!
Very good performance by Turpin, full control in a heated match. One missed YC and one missed corner to be mentioned. Turpin can be satisfied.
ReplyDeleteGreat to see a red card for such aggressive actions by the Turkish substitute.
ReplyDeleteTurpin combining a challenging game with a very good performance. Personally feel that should France be knocked out he would deserve the final
My prediction :
ReplyDeleteENG - NED Vinčić
FRA - ESP Marciniak
FINAL Orsato
Well, satisfying performance by Turpin. Very good decision by UEFA RefCom to give him this game. As Chefren mentioned, his torunamet should be over. Now, my prediciton for semifinals:
ReplyDeleteEng-Ned: Vincic/Tello(surprise)
Spain-France: Marciniak
And to said, top performances,congrats to officials that have games in quarterfinals!
ReplyDeleteGood point! In the quarterfinals we saw the best referees doing a great job. Hoppe for the semifinals, will be the same!
DeleteTello would be a huge surprise as he is back in South America
ReplyDeleteVery very good game from Turpin Greg management as always good control tonight in a challenging game miss maybe some foul but overall a great game.
ReplyDeleteSurely the end of his tournament due to france in semis but maybe final if France loose.
Great*
DeleteIt had to be Vincic and Marciniak in some order
ReplyDeleteIf indeed only the 8 referees appointed in QF + Vincic are still in Germany, it is also nearly clear that the 4O spots in the SF have to go to a German and Kruzliak. Probably with Kruzliak in SF2 to avoid repetition.
ReplyDeleteAnd 4O in the final then either the other German or one of the SF referees - at least if it is FRA-ENG, otherwise Oliver or Turpin are also possible there.
VAR teams could be Kwiatkowski, Frankowski, Irrati for Marciniak and German VARs for Vincic, if Kajtazovic has indeed left.
Too bad for Turpin France is still in. His tournament must be over now, but I think he has been the best referee this tournament.
ReplyDeleteIn my eyes there are two options for appointments the last matches.
1) Vincic and Zwayer for semi finals, Marciniak for final. I'd say Zwayer for ESP - FRA, Vincic ENG - NED.
2) Marciniak and Vincic for semi's. Orsato for final. In that case it should be Marcinial for ESP - FRA, Vincic ENG - NED.
I think the RefCom messed up this tournament and I really hope it will be my first option. IMO it should be really unfair to appoint Orsato to 5 matches. A final for him would be undeserved. His tournament was satisfactory, but nothing more than that. But seeing the strategy of the RefCom this tournament I'm afraid it will be option 2.
Turpin was the best ref with his performance in Germany-Scotland?
DeleteYes, I think so.
DeleteGermany - Scotland was also a good performance, except for 1 major mistake. Every big name had made a major mistake so far, so that can't be an argument IMO. Turpin has had some challenging matches and convinced me the most.
It's okay for you have another opinion, that's how opinions work 😉
GG by Turpin! Unfortunate that his national team are still in (again). And I’m glad that the Dutch have learned how to behave. ;)
ReplyDeleteMy preference in FRANCE v SPAIN is Szymon Marciniak, however with the lost World Cup final still fresh in the French minds and given how Marciniak is “mobbed”, I predict we will see the political assignment (Vinčić) there. Which would be a big joke, after just a MD1 + MD2 game. This has nothing to do with meritocracy.
Hope I’m very wrong though.
Why keep Vincic and not use him on anything? Are we sure he is still there?
ReplyDeleteFrom this angle, we can see that the second goal of the Netherlands was a clear foul..
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/r0wb8t
You're arguing the white player is fouled? Really?!
DeleteI didn't see that angle before and I believe it is a foul. If NED player doesn't tackle TUR player, he wouldn't score own gol. @Ex Eng Ref why are you surprised?
DeleteWith a slight delay, I'd say this was a good performance by Turpin overall, in a game which certainly presented many challenges.
ReplyDeleteTurpin's foul detection has been generally good IMO, thus contributing to a very nice and dynamic match. He managed to stay in the background as much as he could (especially in the 1H), but also stepped out to prevent/solve any possible problems in a timely manner, even in the challenging moments near the end of the 2H. A number of good play ons in borderline situations (e.g. 10', 17') clearly established Turpin's line for fouls, which was IMO optimal for this specific match. It has to be noted he definitely missed a CK for NED in 54', but, on the other hand, a goal kick instead of a CK for TUR in 90+2' was an excellent decision, taken in good cooperation with AR2, which shows that the whole team managed to stay focused in those critical moments towards the end of the match.
In terms of disciplinary control/management, Turpin again had some strong moments and this aspect was mostly on a good level, however I do think he certainly missed one YC, potentially even two. Six cautions issued in this match were all correct for my taste: 30' (NED7, very reckless step on ankle), 54 (NED 5, SPA), 64' (NED4, SPA), 90+3' (TUR9, protest/dissent), 90+4' (TUR coach, protest/dissent), 90+6' (NED9, probably DtR). 30' and 54' YCs deserve some special attention: I'm certain that UEFA clearly prefers a YC for a step on ankle by Simmons in 30', in lack of a straight leg and stronger force applied and with the whole issue being somewhat unlucky, with the fouled player's movement making this contact even more serious. However, I'd still argue a RC for SFP was definitely possible here, and I don't think VAR would have intervened in case it had been shown. As for the 54' SPA decision, I think it was the only correct solution, with the possible intervention by De Vrij making potential DOGSO implausible for me. The number of cautions during the ending minutes clearly shows that Turpin had to adapt to the heated and more intense situations and clamp down on protests and/or unsporting behaviour, which he IMO did very well. The only RC of the match was issued in these moments, to TUR26 on the bench, and it served to stop the now excessive amount and intensity of dissent from the Turkish bench. Some may say protesting never actually stopped, but I think it was enough to identify the most problematic individual and expel him in order to contain this issue enough to end the match in a fair manner. On the other hand, I think Turpin missed a rather mandatory YC to NED11, for a clear step on foot in 49'. What's more, I would have strongly preferred if he had cautioned NED15 for what I deem a late and hard studs tackle hitting the lower leg of the opponent, just below the knee. On the other hand, this whole situation can also be viewed as an unfortunate collision, with both players going for the ball, but I think the TUR player was quicker and reached the ball first, thus making the whole action of NED15 late (of course, I may have misread the situation completely). Two more YCs were possible (45+1', 90'), but I'd argue both were rejected correctly.
In terms of PAI's, Turpin delivered a sound performance IMO, with 3 potential penalties correctly rejected: 44' (no handball penalty for NED), 65' (no penalty for TUR, with Weghorst clearing the ball and subsequent studs contact with the opponent's thigh being a result of inertia/collision IMO), 86' (no handball penalty for TUR).
Both ARs performed on a very good level IMO, with a number of correct onside/offside decisions (7', 15', 20', 40', 90+5'). It is possible that AR1 missed a very tight offside of NED in 51', but I'd argue he was perfectly right in allowing play to continue in such a tight and dubious situation.
All in all, it was a good performance by Turpin in a dynamic and sometimes pretty challenging game. I'd say it was a pleasure to watch.
People say Taylor officiated a bad match because he didn't give 1 penalty. But people say Turpin officiated a good match despite 1 potential red card and 1 fouled goal. That's interesting.
DeleteApart from the penalty issue, people were bothered by Taylor’s inappropriate dealing with the German fury in the first stages of the match ánd the inconsistency that arose in his disciplinary management as a result.
DeleteTurpin was in full control (and more) where Taylor struggled to keep just that.
Exactly, Taylor's performance surely could be seen as below average even if you accept the no penalty decision.
DeleteI'm not a person who likes Taylor in general. I'm saying that Taylor made one big mistake that affected the result and everyone criticised him. But Turpin made 3 important mistakes and everyone liked him a lot, this situation seems ridiculous to me.
DeleteAnd I tried to explain to you that the criticism regarding Taylor isn’t only because of the penalty decision, but mainly because troubles with keeping control and inconsistent use of cards. It’s not separate mistakes, it’s below par game and player management.
DeleteApart from that you started saying Turpin had 1 potential Rc and a fouled goal and in the last post you refer to 3 mistakes. Don’t get that to be fair.
Finally, if you see anything in the added clip of the Dutch goal, you could also see it as a tripping by the Turkish defender. Imo it’s just a coming together of two feet, and you cannot blame the attacker. He made no additional movement and didn’t act in a careless manner.
I throughly enjoyed this review of his performance. Felt like you have got everything spot on here.
DeleteWish others would also be willing to do the same for other referees whether they are favourites or non-favourites. Allows a much better understanding of the performance than just a one off comment or one without context (foul with no time given)
Here's another position. Why isn't that a foul, why isn't that a red card?
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/sushs7
And here, instead of posting only this angle, also consider the replay which CLEARLY showed BOTH players were holding each other in this situation.
DeleteClear foul & RC
DeleteAgree with foul, please check the left leg of NED player how he obstructed TUR player to stand, disagree with RC but should be a YC as the ball is not under control of any player...
DeleteToday when I rewatched full 90 mins, I realised that not Turpin but VAR failed to intervene with 2nd goal of NED. It might be difficult for Turpin to detect the tackle of NED #11 live, however it is VAR s duty to check it. Imo it is clear foul. Also for the incident around 90th min between Calhanoglu and Dumfries was a very easy foul. There is no holding or tackle when Calhanoglu s hand comes to arm of Dumfries he immediately threw himself. Also in first instance I thought that card of NED #7 at 30th min is a borderline but now I am more on RC as it is more than reckless. Anyway Euro 2024 is both over for Turkey and Turpin.
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