This is the list of selected officials for 2021 Under 21 Championship Group Stage, to be played in Hungary and Slovenia from 24 to 31 March 2021.
Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Íñigo Prieto López de Ceráin (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: José Enrique Naranjo Pérez (ESP)
Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Joost van Zuilen (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Johan Balder (NED)
Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Jakub Winkler (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Dawid Igor Golis (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Joost van Zuilen (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Johan Balder (NED)
Referee: Giorgi Kruashvili (GEO)
Assistant Referee 1: Levan Varamishvili (GEO)
Assistant Referee 2: Zaza Pipia (GEO)
Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Referee : Cyril Mugnier (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Mehdi Rahmouni (FRA)
Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alberto Tegoni (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Daniele Bindoni (ITA)
Referee : Halil Umut Meler (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Ibrahim Çağlar Uyarcanm (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Mustafa Emre Eyisoy (TUR)
Referee: Glenn Nyberg (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Mahbod Beigi (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Andreas Soderkvist (SWE)
Referee: Harm Osmers (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Eduard Beitinger (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Dominik Schaal (GER)
Referee: Irfan Peljto (BIH)
Assistant Referee 1: Davor Beljo (BIH)
Assistant Referee 2: Senad Ibrišimbegović (BIH)
Referee: Sandro Schärer (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Stephane de Almeida (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Bekim Zogaj (SUI)
Referee: Lawrence Visser (BEL)
Assistant Referee 1: Thibaud Nijssen (BEL)
Assistant Referee 2: Rien Vanyzere (BEL)
Fourth Officials (4):
Horațiu Feșnic (ROU)
Ádám Farkas (HUN)
Espen Eskås (NOR)
Ádám Farkas (HUN)
Espen Eskås (NOR)
Observers (4):
Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
Hugh Dallas (SCO)
Vladimir Šajn (SVN)
Marc Batta (FRA)
Hugh Dallas (SCO)
Vladimir Šajn (SVN)
Marc Batta (FRA)
Hope Schärer injury is nit that serious, as he had to be replaced by the 4th official this weekend at half-time
ReplyDeleteIt was said that he was feeling unwell. If that‘s true (hopefully) he only was kind of ill.
DeleteSo far, the info are only about the main referees. Don't know about the rest, including assistant referees, fourth officials, VAR and so on. We will see.
ReplyDeleteInteresting mix between referees, who already had their CL debut and referees without EL experience.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the idea is to use some of them also for the KO stage later this year?
4th: obrenovic, hosnic, farkas, eskas
ReplyDeleteSorry fesnic*
ReplyDeleteConfirmed info or personal prediction?
DeleteConfirmed
DeleteWhere is Nikola Dabanovic MNE????
ReplyDeleteLawrence Visser is assisted at the European Championship by his permanent team.
ReplyDeleteAssistant referees Thibaud Nijssen and Rien Vanyzere.
https://www.rbfa.be/nl/nieuws/team-lawrence-visser-geselecteerd-voor-ek-u21
Nice to see Frankowski and Mariani, but I dont understand Why De Burgos Bengoetxea is there, he is one of the worst spanish referee, and he shouldnt be fifa referee
ReplyDeleteI don't agree. De Burgos Bengoetxea is a great referee, perhaps not elite level, but he has chances to be promoted to the first group.
DeleteTotalmente de acuerdo. Árbitro mediocre
DeleteKNVB has released the AR names a few weeks back: Johan Balder and Joost van Zuilen, both officiating with Serdar Gozubuyuk in recent games.
ReplyDeleteStrange list in my opinion. Is too 'diverse' on referees' level and experience, mixing First and Second category referees...
ReplyDeleteI also kind of expected Dabanović, Jović or Rumsas there.
DeleteYes, exactly. Some referees with experience in KO stages and Nation League A, and some with less experience than the ones mentioned.
DeleteAgreed. To be honest, it seems like the criterion for selection was "will this be useful to have in his palmarés for later in his career?".
DeleteIt's not fair to mention names amongst the twelve-strong squad in particular, but if I were the refs that Quilava mentioned, I would be pretty miffed about UEFA's choices.
With that being said - good luck to all the selected match officials!
De Burgos Bengoetxea's ARs for this tournament will be José Enrique Naranjo Pérez (regular AR1 of Alejandro Hernández Hernández) and Íñigo Prieto López de Ceráin (regular AR1 of José Luis Munuera Montero + regular AR2 of José María Sánchez Martínez in UEFA matches)
ReplyDeleteProbably, Francois Letexier will be joined by Mehdi Rahmouni and Cyril Mugnier, his regular FIFA AR.
ReplyDeleteAnd Mariani by Tegoni and Bindoni, probably.
DeletePeljto by Ibrisimbegovic and Beljo
Meler by Sancaktar and Koemourcouglu
Schaerer by De Almeida and Zogaj
https://www.vbox7.com/play:c0254d6c35&start=9 from today derby in BG....What is your opin8on,1st,Nikola Popov show penalty,after that go to forwarder and show YC for simulation...
ReplyDeleteIMO very difficult to assess here. But seems more simulation and YC than PK so good decision by Popov here.
DeletePK clear foul!
DeleteTough and intense PSV - Ajax for Makkelie today, especially the last 15 minutes. Correctly disallowed goal in 78' by VAR (Kamphuis) for handball, difficult penalty situation in 82' (not given), possible RC (SFP) in 86' and penalty given in 90', after which both captains showed unsportsmanlike behavior and had to be held back by other players. Does someone have clips of the situations by any chance?
ReplyDeleteIMO PSV deserved a penalty and Ajax a red card. Penalty to Ajax is really, really soft. Not a good day for Makkelie and Kamphuis.
Delete78. not deliberate handling before a goal: right VAR +
Delete82. foul clear blocking action: penalty -
86. violent act referee was seeing, "brutality": y.c is too little >r.c --
90. brazil-iran game, howard webb r.c, handball player holds his face ;))) goalkeeper there: pk & y.c +
I don't agree on the last one. Where does the defender have to keep his hands otherwise?
DeleteOn ESPN chairman Dick van Egmond just explained in the weekly VAR reportage that all decicions of Makkelie were correct and justified.
ReplyDeleteHe said that:
- that the penalty for Ajax was a clear handball offence. Note: after the match Dumfries admitted he did it on purpose to block the shot
- that the potential red card was a step on foot without brutality or force and therfore a yellow card
- that the disallowed goal of PSV was correct for an attacking handball immediately leading to a goal scored
The second point is really weird. It is stamp on the leg and he does it on purpose. Crystal clear RC
DeleteYou may consider it weird, but the LOTG demand brutality. Yes, it was on purpose. No, it was not the leg, it was on the foot. No, there was no high intensity nor brutality. That’s why the Dutch Head of Refereeing clearly said this is deemed a YC.
DeleteI for me think it’s weird you consider the handball penalty soft. Arm is far out from the body and arm moves to the ball. An ultimate attempt to stop ansjovis on goal. Actually it’s so clear that the defender involved admitted it was a penalty.
ansjovis is nice to have on my pizza, of course I meant ‘a shot on goal’ :)
DeleteAnonymous - your statement may be correct en praxis with current instructions, but is an incorrect reading of the laws.
Delete"Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force OR brutality against an opponent".
Surely, it's rather reasonable to assess deliberately stamping on an opponent with play stopped in a more than negligible manner as an "excessive" amount of force.
In my personal opinion, for what it matters, 86' should be a (clear) RC.
IMO it is a soft penalty, because he can put his hands nowhere else. You CAN give it, but then you must be consistent and give a penalty on the other side minutes earlier too
DeleteThat may be your interpretation of the Law, and of course you’re entitled to that opinion.
DeleteA little peculiar though that you say “my statement IS an incorrect reading of the Laws”. Again that can be your opinion, but I think you weren’t involved in making the Laws.
Then, according to your explanation, every deliberate physical action (e.g. a push, a holding) against an opponent when not challenging for the ball and with more than negligible force should be assessed as a violent conduct, as when there’s no ball involved, no force whatsoever is needed/appropriate. In my view that’s not what the definition of violent conduct is aimed for.
The Laws are always up to interpretation to some
extent and concerning violent conduct your interpretation obviously differs from mine and the Dutch FA’s. Perfectly okay, but implying me incorrectly reading the Laws I strongly reject.
@bingo11 I don’t see what comparing a handball situation and a challenge has to do with consistency.
DeleteAnonymous - I agree with everything you said.
DeleteDecisions such as the RC given in the United States - Czechoslovakia game at WC 1990 are really not desirable, especially at the top level.
My point was a technical / lexical one, the LotG doesn't demand "brutality", it requires "brutality OR excessive force". KNVB (and UEFA / FIFA) is whom demands brutality!
@Mikael
DeleteAnonymous put all his efforts in defending his / FIFA / UEFA vision of refereeing that he spent three passages on it and simply didn't get a point :D
Ay, my apologies to Anonymous 00:31, I forgot that only the true hardliners, the knights of the refereeing of the past, the defenders of the red card as a form of art are allowed to offer their opinions here. Your contribution to this topic is close to non-existent, only trying to ridiculise me or my opinion. Instead you could have participated in the discussion, a shame for that one passage you spoiled your time on :)
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DeleteThe whole discussion actually, I think, resulted from a misunderstanding. My point was merely that, according to the LotG, a violent conduct call on the grounds, not of "brutality", but "excessive force", would still be a sound one in the sense of the laws.
DeletePractical considerations are, of course, much more relevant to us. Nobody (myself included) wants to see a dystopic situation as outlined in the second paragraph of the 23:16 post. I don't really think that's the crux of the point though.
For me, we are on the wrong track if situations such as 86' are not assessed as violent conduct. The stamp even in normal play would be considered at least reckless, and is a totally unnecessary action (play has stopped!) which is only targeted at hurting the opponent.
I am really convinced that if a red card was given in this situation, most (non-refereeing) people would have easily accepted it as ‘stupid’ of the offender, and not blamed the match officials (ie. seen the call as simply correct).
Nobody wants to see games with players unfairly sent off. But my feeling is that associations / confederations are trying too hard to find reasons to avoid red cards, and thus keeping games 11 v 11, at any cost.
@Anonymous - both are soft fouls, so if you don't whistle it on one side you must do the same at the other side
DeletePeljto or schärer will get the final
ReplyDeleteThese are only the officials for the group stages. I expect different officials listed for the knock outs in May-June.
DeleteSo if a referee has a excellent 2/3 games they wont referee in the knockout stages? Disagree with you there
DeleteYesterday in Villarreal-Atlético de Madrid (referee Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea, VAR José Luis Munuera Montero)
ReplyDeleteYC for reckless elbow given after OFR (VAR suggested RC for SFP/VC)
https://streamable.com/t5104s
Intersting clip. I find it hard to judge, when a player want to go past the opponent and lifts the arm like that.
DeleteIMO hard to come to a final conclusion, but I'm okay with a YC here.
DeleteElite referee Deniz Aytekin has his season debut tonight in the Hamburg derby.
ReplyDeleteSo he could be available for EL R16 (less likely) and WC qualifiers in March.
Hes a awful referee never is he an elite level
DeleteDeniz Aytekin (UEFA Elite Category) has his first match of the season today after a long injury.
ReplyDeleteHe is going to referee tonight's important Hamburg city derby between FC St. Pauli vs. Hamburger SV in 2nd division.
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ReplyDeleteAlan Snoddy (NIR) has resigned from the Greek referee Committee.
Any other foreigners in Greek refereeing besides Clattenburg and Snoddy?
DeleteI don't know if Fernández Marín continues in Greek refereeing
DeleteFernande Marin stopped in Aug 20 when Snodij started in this role. These are two fantastic persons and Greek football needs them. Klattenberg is creating a bad image for our referees. Too many foreigners for our games.
Delete@Anonymous
DeleteNow that Snoddy has resigned, he is replaced by former FIFA AR Jake Collin.
The 3rd foreigner on the Greek Referee Committee is Joao Capela (in charge of VAR). Fernandez Marin stopped in September 2020.
Was Collin an AR in Clattenburg's team?
DeleteHe appears in some games with him. But no experience in this tough work. Maybe just brings his friend for some HFF money.
DeleteYes, Collin was part of Clattenburg's team on 2016 Euro. He was also with him in Saudi Arabia. Now he will help Clattenburg with the appointments on SL1 and SL2.
DeleteBut honestly I don't know his this will happen since Collin doesn't know any referee (perhaps except the FIFA ones) and surely he doesn't know the referees and AR's on SL2.
Until now Snoddy was in charge of the appointments in SL1.
Busacca-Navarro, Clattenburg-Collin,...
DeleteDutch appointments: Makkelie on Friday, which would make an international game likely, but Blom has a game as VAR in the Netherlands on the 9th of March, so not sure.
ReplyDeleteDifferently from 2019 edition, no VAR in this tournament. The circumstances didn't help.
ReplyDeleteOT
ReplyDeletePortugal Cup
FC Porto-SC Braga
https://streamable.com/rbu4y4
Opinions...
Ref: Artur Soares Dias [VAR: Joao Pinheiro]
Correct VAR intervention.
DeleteGood intervention, imo
DeleteIMO correct decision and good intervention
DeleteIMO correct PK by Sánchez Martínez in Copa del Rey SF 2nd leg Barcelona-Sevilla.
ReplyDeleteNo 2YC for FCB27 was also better decision for me.
Correct 2YC for SEV25 in 90+1'...
DeleteBut unfortunately Barcelona scored in the last minute and there's extra time.
Possibke mistake not awarding Sevilla pemalty in ET.
DeleteYup, it would be nice to discuss about it, honestly I'm not sure anymore about those deliberate/not-deliberate handballs.
DeleteWhat a game for 'Manolete', though! :D A pity that it had to go to ET after Piqué's goal in 90+3'.
What about the penalty situation in 19th minute (no penalty awarded to Barcelona)? It looked like a trip.
DeleteIMO, no handball is the better decision - nothing clear and obvious in any case. It's surely not deliberate: The player wants to and does play the ball with his chest and tries to pull the arm away. Whether the arm is in a natural position or not can be discussed, but then there is also the touch with his own chest, which is an argument against the penalty.
Delete19' looks quite suspicious - the replays I saw are not completely clear, but it looks like tripping.
I have always had the impression that Messi really respects Sánchez Martínez, he talks and interacts quite a lot with him but in a positive way and quite calmly and is something I do not see him doing with other referees such as Gil Manzano, Mateu or Hernández Hernández.
ReplyDeleteI know referees do not have to please superstars but I think is a sign of professional prowess to be respected by the greats of your sport.
A funny aspect is that physically Sánchez Mártinez seems quite fragile and weak (the opposite to Alberola Rojas or even Del Cerro) but he has a hell of a character and almost in every match shouts and make angry gestures to the players, maybe even too much for my taste but I think is a fantastic referee with a great personality and as I said in my comment before I really think footballers and coaches respect him a lot.
Delete+1.
DeleteI may be a bit biased because he's one of my favourite LaLiga referees, but I genuinely hope to see him as the next Spanish Elite referee.
DeleteOf course he can make mistakes and even have really poor performances if he's over-excited (Betis-Barcelona last year), but I like a lot his authority/presence despite being physically rather skinny. Also, he shouts way less to players now compared with his debut season in LaLiga in which he had to play the Rottweiler referee type.
I think it is a question of which kind of referees you like. Personally i am no fan of Sanchez Martinez because of His angry gestures and his kind of authority. i prefer referees like Alberola Rojas that are laughing with the players and so it seems that there are more on one level with the players. But like i said. It is probably a question of which kind of ref you prefer
DeleteI also watched him yesterday and liked his body language and gestures. He looked authentic and looked like he enjoyed being out on the field. Not everyone can shout and make gestures and still be authentic, some referees get angry and too worked up (tension can build up, they get too strict) but he looked always in control.I wouldn't compare him with another style and say it is better or worse - every referee needs to find his style where he can be best IMO.
DeleteI like Sánchez Martínez a lot. Very talented referee, IMO better than Gil Manzano.
DeleteThe best ref is the one with different personalities. Martinez is always and always and always angry. It's a act, of course he is not actually angry. But people think he is. Look at Collina and Pitana, Héber Lopes, they switched personality based on situations.
DeleteOT
ReplyDeleteHFF announced that Sidiropoulos and Papapetrou are appointed to WC Qualifiers on the end of March.
Papapetrou is suspended because of a League match in Greece.
Predictions for next week (aggregate score/VAR in brackets):
ReplyDeleteJUV-POR (1-2): Kovács (Hernández)
DOR-SEV (3-2): Turpin (Letexier)
PAR-BAR (4-1): Orsato (Irrati)
LIV-RBL (2-0, from Budapest): Çakir (Bitigen)
UEL:
MU-MIL: Mateu Lahoz (Martínez Munuera)
DKV-VIL: Hategan (Di Bello)
AJX-YB: Brych (Dankert)
SLP-RAN: Zwayer (Stegemann)
OLY-ARS: del Cerro Grande (Sánchez)
GRA-MOL: Vincic (Irrati)
TOT-DZG: Raczkowski (Gil)
ROM-SHK: Makkelie (Blom)
Mine are
DeleteJUV-POR (1-2): Turpin (Letexier)
DOR-SEV (3-2): Oliver (Kavanagh)
PAR-BAR (4-1): Taylor (Attwell)
LIV-RBL (2-0, from Budapest): Orsato (Guida)
UEL:
MU-MIL: del Cerro Grande (Martinez)
DKV-VIL: Vincic (Irrati)
AJX-YB: Siebert (Fritz)
SLP-RAN: Zwayer (Stegemann)
OLY-ARS: Jovanovic (Dingert)
GRA-MOL: Grinfeeld (Reinshreiber)
TOT-DZG: Kulbakov (Meshkov)
ROM-SHK: Collum (Martins)
I don't think Fritz would be VAR with Ajax in this round.
DeleteMine are
DeleteJUV-POR (1-2): Brych (Dankert)
DOR-SEV (3-2): Turpin (Leitexier)
PAR-BAR (4-1): Orsato (Irrati)
LIV-RBL (2-0, from Budapest): Cakir (Bitigen)
UEL:
MU-MIL: del Cerro Grande (Martinez)
DKV-VIL: Vincic (Guida)
AJX-YB: Zwayer (Stegemann)
SLP-RAN: Frappart (Millot)
OLY-ARS: Lahoz (Gil Manzano)
GRA-MOL: Grinfeeld (Reinshreiber)
TOT-DZG: Kovacs (Hategan)
ROM-SHK: Dias (Martins)
Very unlikely that Kovacs in CL 2nd leg?
DeleteDepends on Hategan's team situation with UEFA...
DeleteI think, Kovacs is possible in CL 2nd leg, especially in Munich (or wherever they will play...).
DeleteAnd IMO, it would not be undeserved to see even both Romanians in this round.
Philipp, it is not about deserving, but rather about the results of the UEFA investigation into Hategan's AR in the UCL incident from Paris.
DeleteHategan's team was not assigned by UEFA a single match since then... only Hategan himself was fourth official.
DeleteIs anyone watching LIV-CHE? There was an incident in penalty area. The ball hit Kante's hand. VAR didn't intervene.
ReplyDeletePenalty for me
DeleteIn new UEFA RAP you can find very similar situation and UEFA identifies that as penalty. Unbelievable what English refs are doing...
DeleteDefinitely, i remembered Handball Offences C3 video (Chelsea - Bayern). It was very similar.
DeleteAs a Chelsea fan and a referee it should have been a penalty. I was genuinely shocked when the VAR Paul Tierney didn't intervene. This is supposed to be one of UEFA's Champions League VAR's.
DeleteLiverpool fan and grassroots referee here and that was a stone cold penalty. If I see that in one of the kids games I'm doing this weekend I'm giving it.
Deleteplease check and make clip Levante - Athletic 28 minute!
ReplyDeleteCouldn’t find any particular incident in 28th minute..
DeleteTrabzonspor-Fenerbahce:
ReplyDelete01.40 - no penalty, studs up for #18 Ekuban for Trabzonspor. Potential YC. This will be his 2nd YC.
02.00 - potential contact is not clear. Support refs play on.
03.10 - Clear penalty - how VAR didn't intervene no idea.
03.30 - No penalty. Attacker fell down very easy. Play on.
IMO very big mistake by ref happens at 01.20 of this video. Ref whistles a foul for that position and potential goal opportunity denied by ref. He should allow position to continue till it finishes and then if he has a doubt about the position, he could request OFR. But he chose easy way and whistled.
Ovidiu Hațegan with his regular ARs (VAR: Kovács) will handle the Al Hilal - Al Raed match this afternoon in Saudi Arabia.
ReplyDeleteTo underline perhaps the most important detail - Octavian Sovre IS at Hațegan's side.
Very good news! Let's hope that UEFA will assign them matches in European competitions.
DeleteMarciniak with Sokolnicki, Listkiewicz has a match in Grecee: PAOK - ARIS on 07.03.2021r.
ReplyDeleteVAR is Gil.
DeleteOT: Del Cerro Grande yesterday handled Copa del Rey SF 2nd leg Levante-Athletic, in which he had this PK incident in 28'.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately he blew the whistle too early as another Athletic player scored, but... is it YC or RC? (Personally I'm fine with a YC but a lot of people asked for RC)
https://streamable.com/3r1cef
Similar to Stieler in Atalanta's match, I think this can be YC and RC again, all up to the referee decision. I would prefer RC here but fine with YC. This case reminds me Irmatov in 2013 FIFA confederations cup Brazil-Italy match. He blew the whistler for a penalty and then Brazil's player scored a goal 1-2 seconds later. Irmatov decided to allow the Brazil's goal and gave no punishment for the Italian defender.
DeleteSo you practically say that you don't care what the referee has given - for you everything is right and supportable and the referee cannot be wrong. That pretty much summerise the attitude inside the referee circle and the genuine believe that we are gods and we can do whatever we want because we are not countable for our mistakes. Just great...
DeleteI am a good fan of Del Cerro Grande but bad whistle and crystal RC IMO....
DeleteIMO it's a red card.
DeleteThe likelyhood that the attacker would have gained a good goal scoring opportunity if the foul wouldn't have happened, is quite big for me.
Thank you Flipp and Referee analyst for the honest opinions. I, contrary to Chefren :), don't think that we are doing good to some collegues when we call their mistakes 'supportable decisions', 'grey area' or when they miss obligatory cards - 'lenient approach'. Only if we honestly point their mistakes we can achieve more consistency because exactly the referees' consistency is the biggest problem for the football people and the fans.
DeleteWell, the question is, what the associations want. If they tell their referees, that such situations are a grey area and it's up to their interpretation (+ maybe game management etc), we can hardly criticize the referees for it.
DeleteOf course, we don't always know the instructions.
But the next indicator could be opinions on the situations. As soon as we see, that opinions (given with arguments) are split among "experts" like us here, we also can hardly describe it as a clear mistake by the referee.
However I generally agree, that it should be a goal to reduce the grey area to get more consistency in decisions. IMO, it would be quite helpful to get public information from the associations as often as possible about what they consider the best decision in debated situations.
On the actual situation: I consider ball control as a quite important factor for DOGSO, therefore I tend towards YC. But I also understand, why you argue for the RC here.
So it's a good example for what I said before: At the moment, I see it as grey zone, but I would be happy to hear an official statement, what the expected decision is - especially as such situations are not that rare.
I agree with you Philipp about the point of the associations'preferences. But, still, they can SLIGHTLY differ - not to such extent. What is happening then in the European competitions when an English team is playing against a Spanish club and the referee is German for example??? Both teams don't know what rules the referee will apply and the fans don't understand what kind of sport they are watching... And, yes, more public info definately could help about the consistency of the decisions. But for some reason the referee unions behave like secret societies and don't give explanations and it is beyond me how the football world is allowing this...
DeleteKralazar
DeleteYou are right of course, but FIFA calculates that people would prefer to watch poorly refereed matches if it is exciting
@ Kralazar Your comment is just ridiculous. I said in this situation, both YC and RC sounds fine for me. Did I ever tell you I do not care what the referee's decision is? I care and that is why I support the referee's decision in this particular case because I think YC is also ok (although I prefer RC). Of course, You can have different opinion on the situation itself, but STOP judging other readers/writers like this.
Deletealso @Kralazar, you commented "for you everything is right and supportable and the referee cannot be wrong". Let me ask you...where is "everything" coming from? where is "referee cannot be wrong" coming from? Did I ever say like this? Unlike you who like misunderstand/change other's viewing, I only give my honest opinion on the incident. I simply said either YC or RC is good for me (although I prefer RC), but I NEVER said referees can't be wrong. I said your comment is ridiculous because you can't understand what other people said and even try to change their meaning.
DeleteIf this is a penalty in Valencia - Villarreal game and the one in Liverpool - Chelsea is not, then I am sorry to say this but I am ashamed by IFAB and by the so called professional referees around the world. A sport with a more than 100-year history is about to be destroyed by a bunch of idiots who don't have a clue about football and don't take risponsibility for their actions.
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/memelenciavcf/status/1367941462336344065 Link to the incident. I don't know how long until it is removed.
DeleteThank you, George.
Deletehttps://streamable.com/y6horj
DeletePenalty is the correct decision IMO - unnaturally increased body surface. One could disuss, whether it is "clear and obvious", especially as it did not seem obvious at all. However it probably was a missed incident, so the OFR was justified anyway.
DeleteAnd yes, the situation from England is also a handball IMO.
Phillip, two people are jumping together in the air. They have pretty serious contact in the air. The attacker is much stronger than the defender. As a result the defender COMPLETELY lost balance and almost falls on his face. While falling he is spinning with his back to the opponent and try to balance with the hand - more than naturally. Even more - at the moment of the shot the defender is with his back to the attacker and there is absolutely no chance that he knows where the ball is.
DeleteFor me, both VAR interventions of the match were wrong. In Spain, we don't have the "missed incident" concept to justify a VAR intervention: it has to be a clear and obvious mistake, and IMO none of them are so.
DeleteIMO it shouldn't be a VAR intervention, however, I think it's rather a PK.
DeleteThe defender has his arm as far away from the body as possible and increases his body surface.
I would say that the defender has to know that his arm position could easily lead to a PK, therefore shouldn't go in the duel this way.
Without the missed incident concept, I also think, that the VAR intervention is wrong, because it is not clear enough.
DeleteAnd yes, the same counts for the second penalty - the contact is rather small and the attacker exaggerates it.
To be honest this "missed incident" concept can be only dangerous in my opinion. It allows too much discretion to VAR, he should ask for every incident, "did you see that?", before making a proper assessment about the incident. I think this is just something more that could be avoided. Intervention needed only in case of very evident mistake, unless referee has seen it or not, it shouldn't be too much important because it can make thigns even more complicated and in my opinion not all the VARs can be consistent in that, even more when they come from different countries than referees in UEFA games, there can be language's barriers.
DeleteMarco Fritz (UEFA Second Category) will handle tonight's Bundesliga top clash ("German Clàsico") Bayern München - Borussia Dortmund.
ReplyDeleteomg...
DeleteWhy "OMG..."?
Delete:)
because imo he's a weak referee whose style suits only to Bundesliga
Deleteand now I know what I can expect from referee's performance in this great game
Bit a weird choice IMO after his performance in the cup Wednesday
DeleteWhat is your problem with his performance on Wednesday? Important decisions were absolutely fine.
DeleteFurthermore he is having a really good season, so a deserved appointment.
DeleteJust a bit surprising, because he had matches on Sunday and Wednesday after a (injury?) break for some weeks.
Felix - The biggest problem was the penalty he gave to Wolfsburg. That wasn't a correct call.
Deletebingo11 Why??
DeleteIMO, Nkunku wasn't really aware of the contact and the contact was not much. In every case, it is not a clear and obvious mistake, so a VAR intervention is ridiculous.
DeleteFritz looked after the ball. Everbody follows the shot in this situation. So we have a missed incident. Then Mbabu shot and Nkunku was too late. I don‘t understand how this can not be a penalty
DeleteAs I said, IMO it's too soft but it seems you have another opinion, which is possible. The penalty he gave to Bayern now is indeed correct, but he had to see it by himself I think.
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DeleteAnd a minute of ten ago, he missed a penalty for Dortmund
Deletegerman TV said that the contact was outside. Would like to see that one again. I also think that it was inside.
DeleteSome situation from the German clash
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How interesting! I read that the clubs will complain the Federation and the Referee Board to FIFA this week.
ReplyDeleteJuventus-Lazio handball situation, no penalty no VAR check.. Can someone tell me why? Ok, the distance is short, BUT am I the only one seeing an obvious reaction and redirection of the wrist ("smashing) towards the ball? I do not blame Massa, but VAR?
ReplyDeleteThis choice by Massa was very likely made because ball came from a deflection of a teammate, so unexpected ball. The reasoning is that defender wouldn't have never liked to send ball in teammate's arm. In all other cases, given the position of arms, it would have been indeed punishable. But I must say that not all the refereess apply this criterion, so it is alwys same problem, no consistentcy for handballs and it will be impossible to find it.
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