Referee appointments for 2021-22 FIFA WC European Qualifiers Matchday 2, games to be played on 27 March 2021.
15:00 CET - Podgorica (Gradski Stadion)
MONTENEGRO - GIBRALTAR
Referee: Manuel Schüttengruber (AUT)
Assistant Referee 1: Roland Brandner (AUT)
Assistant Referee 2: Andreas Witschnigg (AUT)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Gishamer (AUT)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Adrian Azzopardi (MLT)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Miroslaw Ryszka (POL)
Group H
15:00 CET - Sochi (Fisht Stadium)
RUSSIA - SLOVENIA
Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Costanzo (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Matteo Passeri (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Karen Nalbandyan (ARM)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Mark Bos (NED)
18:00 CET - Minsk (National Olympic Stadium Dinamo)
BELARUS - ESTONIA
Referee: Robert Hennessy (IRL)
Assistant Referee 1: Allen Lynch (IRL)
Assistant Referee 2: Emmett Dynan (IRL)
Fourth Official: Robert Harvey (IRL)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Gevorg Hovhannisyan (ARM)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Bakar Jordania (GEO)
18:00 CET - Amsterdam (Johan Cruijff ArenA)
NETHERLANDS - LATVIA
Referee: Stéphanie Frappart (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Guillaume Debart (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Mikael Berchebru (FRA)
Fourth Official: Jérémie Pignard (FRA)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Frank De Bleeckere (BEL)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Charles Schaack (LUX)
18:00 CET - Malaga (La Rosaleda)
NORWAY - TURKEY
Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Teodoro Sobrino Magán (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Raúl Cabañero Martínez (ESP)
Fourth Official: José Luis Munuera Montero (ESP)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Gylfi Þór Orrason (ISL)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Kurt Zuppinger (SUI)
18:00 CET - Rijeka (Stadion HNK Rijeka )
CROATIA - CYPRUS
Referee: Kristo Tohver (EST)
Assistant Referee 1: Silver Koiv (EST)
Assistant Referee 2: Sten Klaasen (EST)
Fourth Official: Juri Frischer (EST)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Georgi Yordanov (BUL)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Aurel Ionescu (ROU)
20:45 CET - Belgrade (Stadion Rajko Mitić)
SERBIA - PORTUGAL
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Mario Dks (NED)
Fourth Official: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Martin Hansson (SWE)
FIFA Match Commissioner: István Huszár (HUN)
20:45 CET - Dublin (Dublin Arena)
REPUBLIC OF IRELAND - LUXEMBOURG
Referee: Fran Jović (CRO)
Assistant Referee 1: Borut Križarić (CRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Luka Pušic (CRO)
Fourth Official: Mario Zebec (CRO)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Michael Thomas Ross (NIR)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Michael O'Brien (ENG)
Group E
20:45 CET - Prague (Eden Arena)
CZECH REPUBLIC - BELGIUM
Referee: William Collum (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Francis Connor (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: David McGeachie (SCO)
Fourth Official: Kevin Clancy (SCO)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Alain Hamer (LUX)
Group H
20:45 CET - Trnava (Štadión Antona Malatinského)
SLOVAKIA - MALTA
Referee: Harald Lechner (AUT)
Assistant Referee 1: Andreas Heidenreich (AUT)
Assistant Referee 2: Markus Gutschi (AUT)
Fourth Official: Christian-Petru Ciochirca (AUT)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
Friendly
18:00 CET - Debrecen (Nagyerdei Stadion)
QATAR - AZERBAIJAN
Referee: Ivan Kružliak (SVK)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaš Somolani (SVK)
Assistant Referee 2: Branislav Hancko (SVK)
Fourth Official: Peter Kralović (SVK)
Fourth Official: Mario Zebec (CRO)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Michael Thomas Ross (NIR)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Michael O'Brien (ENG)
20:45 CET - Prague (Eden Arena)
CZECH REPUBLIC - BELGIUM
Referee: William Collum (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Francis Connor (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: David McGeachie (SCO)
Fourth Official: Kevin Clancy (SCO)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Alain Hamer (LUX)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Claude Runavot (FRA)
20:45 CET - Trnava (Štadión Antona Malatinského)
SLOVAKIA - MALTA
Referee: Harald Lechner (AUT)
Assistant Referee 1: Andreas Heidenreich (AUT)
Assistant Referee 2: Markus Gutschi (AUT)
Fourth Official: Christian-Petru Ciochirca (AUT)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Haris Gvozden (BIH)
18:00 CET - Debrecen (Nagyerdei Stadion)
QATAR - AZERBAIJAN
Referee: Ivan Kružliak (SVK)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaš Somolani (SVK)
Assistant Referee 2: Branislav Hancko (SVK)
Fourth Official: Peter Kralović (SVK)
Not so great appointments for the two Austrian First group referees.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, Hernandez and di Bello get matches were I expected a referee from a higher category.
Interesting idea with Kruzliak to give him some international match fitness during his domestic punishment.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but i think Di bello Guido e.a. only get these appointments because they are Italian and UEFA/FIFA is desperate to create a New Italian elite ref...... I dont see the performances internationally that warrant these choices... But maybe thats just my biased opinion.
DeleteI am also surprised since the game could be high intensive considering also that both teams won first games.
DeleteChefren what is your view on this decision and appoint Di Bello to this game?
DeleteI would indeed have expected a Category 1 (at least) in this match, very sonorous between two important national teams, but we can't know, maye he is a replacement for another referee. In any case, I would say, his season so far, including last game Roma - Napoli on Sunday, has been more than excellent, so I'm sure he will be absolutely good in the game. However, taking into account the context (big game and Category 2 referee) is surely a very particular choice. I don't know more, maybe another referee was planned to be there... but be sure, he will do well.
Deletethank you for your thoughts; i believe that he will do his best
DeleteMontenegro - Gibraltar had a change on the appointment. It was originally Christofi from Cyprus who was appointed but got changed due to COVID reasons.
ReplyDeleteCan you say more about the Covid reasons? Is he positive or something else?
DeleteHe tested positive
DeleteCompletely undeserved appointment for Di Bello, really too obvious considering other appointments for different categories.
ReplyDeleteWatching Italy competition this season he got 8 big matches all refereed very well.
DeleteYes but he wasnt appointed for Nations legue, or CL quals and he had only one international game this season, so my question is how he can get such an important appointment so suddenly, if not last minute substitution?
DeleteThis season, Di Bello has refereed practically every top clash in Serie A with outstanding performances. He's having an extraordinary season as he managed to overcome a serious family problem that deeply affected his performance on the pitch in the last years. IMO it is absolutely deserved to give room to one of the best referees among Europe's top leagues right now. However, we all know he won't have great chance to officiate regularly in EL or CL due to his age, late UEFA badge nominees in Italian federation and all the problems we know...
DeleteThe ridiculous problem with Italian referees is that, since the two groups of Serie A and Serie B were foolishly split in 2010, Italian referees have been promoted to Serie A at the age of 35-40. It goes without saying that becoming UEFA at 38yo doesn't allow to start a proper international career. That's why among the best Serie A referees (Doveri, Mariani, Valeri, Di Bello, Orsato), Orsato is the only one who has reached CL as he managed to be promoted to Serie A Group before the crazy splitting in 2010. The other referees are regularly offering excellent performances in domestic leagues with more than 150 matches, but were never able to start an international career. Let's take Mariani, who is a very talented referee: he became a referee at 16yo, was promoted to Serie A at 33yo and became UEFA at 37yo. It is clear that this system does not work... and that's why the Italian federation finally decided to unite again the two groups of Serie A and Serie B after 10 years. And has it happened for the splitting in 2010, we will be observing the benefits of this reunification only in 2030, when Italy will be having again 30-35yo UEFA referees
DeleteAre you afraid that Di Bello and HDZ HDZ are not ready to referee these matches ? If there is a mistake it is that the Commission did not let them do them earlier. In their countries they referee matches that are two or three times more difficult than today's matches. They are not to blame. UEFA, being European, must send referees from all European countries to referee these matches. And it forces excellent Spanish and Italian referees to a very low rotation. But I assure you that Di Bello and HDZ HDZ are better than some current elites
DeleteThis time, I fully agree with Pita Falta :)
Delete@Forlan, it looks that you speak only based on names. Have you watched a single game Di Bello whistled this season? I doubt it
DeleteI agree
DeleteI disagree with people criticizing Forlan here. Actually I agree with him. It’s not a debate about the qualities of Di Bello, it’s about the appointment of a Cat2 referee to this match, which obviously is beyond what Cat2 referees are usually appointed for.
DeleteUEFA does not consider domestic performances / form nor do they take domestic promotion/relegation systematics into account. If Italy chooses to use the current promotion/relegation system they are responsible and accountable for the consequences to their referees. With this appointment Rosetti cs (again) give the impression to be very generous to the Italian referees.
Having said that I’m happy that Di Bello did a good job, because again, my statement (and Forlan’s I’m quite sure) does not relate to him personally.
Well said Anonymous 20:22, totally agree.
DeleteAnd we don't know that Di Bello wasn't a late replacement for this game (Russia not the easiest place to get a visa (for refs) etc).
Yes, let’s keep an odd referees management instead of evaluating performances...
Delete“UEFA does not consider domestic performances” THIS IS AN ISSUE, not something to be proud of and follow blindly
Any idea on who the officials are for the two Friendlies on the 27th March are please?
ReplyDeleteWales V Mexico
Bosnia V Costa Rica
Wales V Mexico McNab ( N Ireland)
Delete100th international match for Makkelie
ReplyDeleteA match to remember... terrible mistake his AR made!!!
DeletePaul McLaughlin has replaced Robert Harvey on the Belarus - Estonia match.
ReplyDeleteSource: https://www.fai.ie/domestic/news/hennessy-to-lead-irish-team-for-world-cup-qualifier
UEFA still reports Robert Harvey as fourth official.
DeleteRobert Harvey take the place of Mr. Mclaughlin at small notice
DeleteDoes anybody know the referee for Wales-Mexico?
ReplyDeleteWAL-MEX: McNabb, Eakin, Donaldson (all NIR), Owen (WAL)
DeleteBIH-CRC: Kajtazovic, Vidali, Kasapovic (all SVN), Bilbija (BIH)
GRE-HON: Schnyder, Zürcher, Köbeli (all SUI), Skoulas (GRE)
NIR-USA: Jenkins, Beckett, Bryant, Foster (all WAL)
Someone wrote Ian McNabb from NIrl above in the comments.
DeleteBosnia-Costarica : Nejc Kajtazovič (Slo)
Schüttengruber whistled penalty to Gibraltar while ball was entering the net and the goal scored couldn't stand.
ReplyDeleteClear mistake at this level, to miss such an easy advantage.
https://streamja.com/9jmL3
I must say quite a pleasant piece of officiating by Marco Di Bello in Sochi. Three cautions given, all three of them correct. Di Bello is highly accepted on the pitch due to his balanced personality: he finds the right moments to connect with the players (by having little chats and giving them little smiles) but is also quite firm when necessary in his gestures and mimics (see the caution issued at 43'). Good stuff so far IMO, Di Bello totally justifies his appointment!
ReplyDeleteSecond half continued on this level. Perhaps a missing caution for an illegal use of arms (around 60'ish), but for the rest, Di Bello confirmed the very positive image displayed in the first half.
DeleteWell done to the Italian crew!
Easy 1st half for Di Bello.
ReplyDeleteVery good management in the 1st half for Di Bello. Very pleasant on the pitch. As Pita Falta and others wrote before, if you can referee almost all top clashes in Serie A with sonorous performances, you can (and actually should) whistle such matches much earlier
ReplyDeleteNothing to report about the 2nd half. Good match, despite not deserving it for someone here :)
DeleteVery happy to read that Di Bello is doing well.
ReplyDeleteThis season he has been phenomenal in serie A, while until last season his performances had been not good (unluckily he had serious personal problems and maybe this contributed to that) and in the crucial moment he missed internationally the chance of a promotion from Category 2 to Category 1. Really a pity, he had a great potential, after Massa and Guida he was the one to follow, but for the reasons I mentioned Mariani took his place.
1981 born, I don't know whether he has still chances for a promotion.
Almost faultless performance by Di Bello this afternoon.
DeletePhantom penalty by Hennessy in Belarus vs Estonia on 44th minute for Belarus.
ReplyDeleteFrappart missed a clear RC for SFP in 51th minute of NEDLVA
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/8kcd58
DeleteSFP. In my opinion not easy to see the exact point of impact and this made the difference between YC (wrong) and RC (to be issued). VAR would have intervened. We have also an interesting management by Frappart after the foul, I liked how she did, she was aware.
DeleteRC with VAR. Very difficult to detect at first. Furthermore, no injury for the victim involved. But agree with Chefren about the good management after.
DeleteOverall very good performance by female French referee in this match.
DeleteTerrible foul and clear RC
DeleteClear RC.100%
DeleteA good first half and a sub-par second half with inconsistencies in foul selection.
Delete@Referee analyst It would do you good if you would be as forgiving and nuanced for other referees than only the French in similar situations.
I didn't watch the game but I'm actually not convinced at all on how she dealt with the situation. Besides the (forgiveable on expectation-perception-recognition) missed RC, she delays too much the showing of the card while ordering ad nauseam the Latvian player to 'come here', I think that a quick procedure issuing the card could have avoided the confrontation to escalate (thus avoiding the YC for Dutch player). Also, she should have asked the player if he needed medical assistance for such a rough tackle...
DeleteWhat a brutal contact is that ! I am very sorry to see this clip.
DeleteNot easy to detect live, but a big mistake.
Delete@Anonymous i said clear red card with VAR. Overall a good performance unless this big mistake. However, player wasn’t injured and I have to say to Quilava that Frappart had already her yellow card on her hand. But clearly with replays a cristal RC. But no influence on score and good players acceptance.
DeleteI'd like to think that Frappart would have correctly assessed the incident if she had run more rightwards (sth of a zero angle from the ref's position).
DeleteAnd one has to be honest - eventually, football's goodwill will surely run out for this absurd tokenism.
Absurd tokenism, Mikael? Maybe I misunderstand you. But I got to say that when I watched the game (and I watched most of it, except that I was unlucky to go for coffee when this moment happened...) and I was actually convinced by her, by her body language and her decisions.
DeleteWhy tokenism?
Rik - everyone can have their view of course!
DeleteFrappart is appointed because she is a woman. I don't blame anyone for not, but I guess nobody took the time to watch her Malta - Latvia game last year. If you did, you'd have seen a referee really out of their depth. Her performance in Molde - Hoffenheim was really not a strong resume for a EURO place at all - but she'll be likely be there regardless.
And when you are familiar with referees from smaller nations, who get good marks in their games, but don't get the opportunities their performances merit, it becomes very hard to accept egregious mistakes like this one.
This is a refereeing blog, so I don't want to say too much, but I really detest the view that we can overcome discrimination by... more discrimination.
Again this is just my view - when you see posts from people who (quite understandably!) don't follow refereeing closely, celebrating Frappart / Monzul / Alves Batista appointments, they assume that they took the same path to those games as their male colleagues.
In my view, it is our 'job' as a blog, to explain that these appointments for those aforementioned referees are not 'gender blind', they are specifically discriminatory in their nature.
Writing "absurd" was probably too much (though that remains my personal view), but we would have failed as a blog IMO if we don't point out these appointments for what they are - tokenism.
I think you are too harsh here Mikael. And if i follow your reasoning the same can be said for all Italian refs who get matches way above their uefa categorisation right this moment just because they are Italian (di bello, mariani, guida et al) Indeed Frappart got her kickstart because she is a woman. But from what i saw today she convinces me way more when i compare her to
Deletefor example Guida yesterday and Mariani, who is screwing up right now in NL-GER U21 IMO.
Following every french international matches closely, I agree whith every word Mikael.
DeleteMikael - thank you for your long and solid response. However, if I look at qualification matches equal to NED - LTV I see:
DeleteEST - NED: Bojko (UKR)
NED - BLR: Massa (ITA)
NED - LUX (2017): Frankowski (POL)
NED - LTV: Liany (ISR)
SMR - NED: Evans (WAL)
NED - SMR: Liany (ISR)
My point is: I don't think Frappart is less far in her development than these referees were at the moment they got a game like this.
I agree with you of course, that MLT - LTV or NED - LTV are hardly games that mean a ticket to EURO. An EL or CL appointment neither. I think we agree on that. Frappart has time enough, and I think that EURO 2024 would be much better.
But we can't really say that another FIFA referee from France would not get appointed for NED - LTV after joining the FIFA list. They start in the 2nd group, and that should qualify for a match like this.
So I think we agree that the way Frappart got the Super Cup (which she did well I think) and the CL match (which she also did fine) were mainly because she's a woman. But MLT - LTV or NED - LTV should not be seen as that I think - I think they are pretty standard appointments for a French FIFA referee.
And I keep my point: in this match, she did convince me. Positioning, body language, decision taking were all fine and good and she was a respected authority on the pitch.
So if you link the word 'absurd tokenism' or even 'tokenism' to this match, I disagree.
We should also remember, that for a woman to reach this levels is not easier than for a man. I am honestly sure she faced a lot of troubles to get there. Once she was there, she got appointments above the standard for a just starting referee, and I disagreed to that, even if I liked it for her and for women in refereeing. But this game is not an example of that, for me.
But I am really curious to how you feel about this.
A couple of things:
Delete1) First of all, we can all agree this was a clear missed SFP.
2) I mostly agree with Mikael, though I'm not so pessimistic about Frappart's performances so far. I haven't watched all of them (I didn't watch Malta-Latvia or today's match), but I've watched some halves here or there of her club games, and she's looked fine in them; nothing spectacular, nothing particularly bad. Until this mistake, of course, but let's not overreact, because even the best refs miss some.
3) I agree that female referees should follow the same path to the top as male referees. Unfortunately, this is pretty objectively not the case right now.
4) I agree that it bothers me seeing people celebrating these "achievements" when they are not really earned through the same criteria. I also am bothered when I see people blindly praising her, or scared to criticize her for mistakes such as this one. Had it not been for this blog, I would not have been aware of anything related to her performance beyond the familiar, patronizing chorus of "Great job Stephanie!" "Very good performance!" "See how good she is?"
Like I said, I don't think Frappart is a bad referee for men's games; I think she's capable of this level. But, from what I've seen, she definitely hasn't done enough to earn a spot at the EUROs. She's at about the same level as a bunch of mid-tier UEFA refs, in my opinion.
I'd only make two points here.
DeleteFirst, I don't think it's difficult at all to detect that point of contact. Anyone--from me, to you to the top referee in the world--can see something incorrectly or maybe not believe their own eyes. So I don't condemn Frappart for the miss. But this idea that "oh it was difficult, but VAR would have caught it" is dangerous. VAR is supposed to be an insurance against bad mistakes. But they are still bad mistakes. This was a clear red card.
Second, to the idea of "tokenism." I have no strong opinion on whether or not Frappart is at the level needed for Netherlands-Latvia. That's debatable. But if she's being pushed into these matches in order to justify a EURO 2020 appointment, then that is definitely "tokenism." By no objective standard is she ready for that call. We shall see soon if she gets it anyway.
Perfect RC by A. Hernandez.
ReplyDeletei think so
Delete81st min faultless performance by him. Only one doubtful office decision by AR1.
ReplyDelete79' IMO excellent RC given by Hernández Hernández to NOR21 (SFP)
ReplyDeleteEXCELLENT RC for SFP given by Hernández Hernández. Nice to see that referees willing to punish them still exist.
ReplyDeleteClip: https://streamable.com/y6td3p
DeleteExcellent HDZ HDZ !!
ReplyDeletePenalty for Qatar by Kruzliak was very soft - possibly wrong, but replays weren't good enough to be sure IMO.
ReplyDeletePenalty for Azerbaijan fully justified.
Hdez Hdez and Di Bello, very talented referees.
ReplyDeletehe refereed 5 or 6 real - barca and derby of madrid and for UEFA he deserves norway-turkey ? there is something wrong. Same thing for Di Bello.
ReplyDeleteNorway-Turkey is not an easy clash. I agree he deserves more high profile games.
DeleteI would also say, that NOR-TUR is a quite good game for a referee from First Group without CL experience and only 2 EL matches so far. On paper, it's quite open and the duel for the second place in the group.
DeleteBut in Every El Clasico he made a mistake :) IMO he doesnt deserve more high profile
DeleteIs he better than Mateu lahoz?
DeleteSRB-POR
ReplyDeleteFirst half
Makkelie very good in Belgrade, as we expected. Always a big pleasure to watch him. AR1 with two good offside calls.
Many complains from Czech players against William Collum who whistles at half-time without additionnal time while the players are in possession of the ball in the offensive phase and they have a possible scoring opportunity.
ReplyDeleteSRB-POR
ReplyDeleteWhat a decision by AR1 before 3rd goal (goal for 1-2)! Excellent!
https://ibb.co/stYWn6m
Very, very good night for Dutch ARs in Belgrade.
ReplyDeleter u serious?
DeleteI wrote this in minute 78. AR2 made big mistake in 90+3
DeleteSo, look at the momment when I posted my comment (22:18).
Delete:)
I think supportable RC for Milenkovic in 90+1'
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely
DeleteI disagree, the contact was with "trailing" leg, YC would be more appropriate IMO
DeleteI dont think so. Yellow for me
DeleteI think, it's a harsh, but supportable RC. Leg was on the floor and contact made with the foot, however the intensity was quite high and therefore the tackle was dangerous for the opponent.
DeleteAgree with Philipp S. VAR would support RC, but for me it's YC.
DeleteWow what an end in Belgrade!
ReplyDeleteI think that the ball crossed the line though
Agree
DeleteI agree, replay suggests it was inside.
DeleteAbsolutely unacceptable to play WC qualifiers without GLT.
ReplyDeleteThis is the second major incident in a few days. FIFA and UEFA must do something. We are talking about games that decide the teams that will go to WC.
Can you blame the officials here?
We can't have this problem in 2021!
Ok, but you seem to ignore the fact that many leagues dont have GLT, even if they use VAR.
DeleteClear goal not given to Portugal.
ReplyDeleteI think we saw in these days that VAR is needed in every international match.
Danny Makkelie/Mario Diks - 🤭🤭. I can't believe! 🙊 No VAR, no Danny. That's clear!!!
ReplyDeleteThat is not his mistake. This is the sole responsibility of the AR2.
DeletePlease, everyone who is "informed" very well knows that Danny Makkelie without VAR - average referee. Björn is unreachable for Danny. ☝️
DeleteSandor, where did you get that from? I don't have numbers, but Kuipers is one of the referees in the Netherlands that's at the VAR screen most often.
DeleteRobbie (Rosetti) knows that, and Pierluigi read it a long time ago. Björn is the best referee - Danny is a "pale copy". Only pale copy!
DeletePeople, don’t take Mr Sandor Puhl too serious. Obviously a personal thing against Danny Makkelie since Hungary vs Portugal years ago.
DeleteJust wait and see @Sandor Puhl what plans Mr. Rosetti has with Danny Makkelie. Tell me, how many times have you seen Makkelie at the VAR-screen in his European matches since the introduction of the system? The answer will prove you wrong ;)
Sorry but that is really low level talk. This is a page for support by analysis, not for written fan shouting...
DeleteAnd that the styles of Kuipers - who is for sure one of the best refs of history - and Makkelie are different is visible for everyone with open eyes.
Makkelie hardly gets called to the screen. This is such blatant nonsense...
DeleteARs rely too much on VAR to correct their wrong decisions. I'd say they've become "lazy" as to be on the right spot to have the best perspective of all the incidents of the match.
DeletePerfect Makellie. From the other side, blameful for Uefa And Fifa,not for referees is the fact that they not have even Glt on this games. Referees are insane in this situation. I repeat, perfect Makellie.
ReplyDeleteYou can blame FIFA,UEFA but you can't say perfect game when there is such a mistake...
DeleteLook, I can not thrown away all game and perfect decisions, because of oragnisational mistake. Sorry, it's not sense of officiating.
DeleteSorry, It was huge mistake Makkelie, but it should be GLT
DeleteCome on. You destroyed Frappart for a wrong judgement and view about one foul WITHOUT any influence on score but Makkelie is perfect when his crew didn’t see a clear goal ? Unfair...
DeleteWhen I comment Frappart on this blog. Sorry you wrong. Still perfect Makkelie. This or next year Cl final for him. Cheers.
DeleteI agree with Nathan, you can't say this is perfect after a big error like that. The call was impossibly difficult though, I can't really blame the AR for saying no goal here. No human could have known for sure whether or not the ball was in. I can hardly count it against them for missing this one (but "perfect" is still the wrong word).
DeleteIt's perplexing that UEFA does not have VAR for these games, especially after the huge controversies in the playoffs 4 years ago. I understand they maybe don't see the value in GLT given its prohibitive costs, but VAR should definitely be here for these situations.
I hope that FIFA and UEFA are awake. GLT is required
ReplyDelete100% Agree !
DeleteVAR is enough, I don't think GLT is necessary for this competition. VAR on its own will correct 95% of these close goal-line situations; there's no need for UEFA to pay the exorbitant prices for GLT in every single stadium in Europe in which these games might be played.
Delete... I'm not a UEFA business executive but I don't think millions and million of dollars on GLT are worth it for correcting one or two extra goals each year (that VAR wouldn't be able to correct on its own).
DeleteThere is no 100% proof. It could be somethink like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ng8VIfq9s4&ab_channel=Bam
ReplyDeleteNo, clear goal.
DeleteAre you serious? Clear goal for sure
Deletehttps://ibb.co/bBDhQ42
ReplyDeleteSRB-POR
90+3 goal situation
IMO, that is no proof of the goal - especially considering the optical illusion presented in Bartek's video.
DeleteAnd even if it is a goal - I don't see how any AR could be sure enough about that and give the goal.
I found better angle. Big mistake.
Deletehttps://ibb.co/3W9Ch3v
Yes, you can see the player's rigth leg is not in the same position between the two pictures.
DeleteHuge mistake by Makkelie, he had good 93 minutes, but This decision was disorted score of match ;(
ReplyDeleteI hope you will now criticize Makkelie worka as you do with Marciniak, sorry
ReplyDeleteI m sorry, if Marciniak Makes the same mistake, I will write the same :) but could you relax ? I think Makkelie is one of the best referee in Europe, but Today he made huge mistake and it is clear :)
DeleteMaybe I'm not a fan of Makkelie, but when I read the blog, you criticize Marciniak for everything... Good night All
DeleteSorry, What are you talking? No me, I dont criticize for evrything
DeleteI see here a lot of complaints about lack of GLT and i agree but it is not reason to abolish AR from this huge mistake. AR knows that he doesn't have technology at disposal and has to be alert in these situations. It is AR's fault and that's it.
ReplyDeleteEverybody who is bashing makkelie/diks here and who says it is a huge mistake by them should be bashing uefa/fifa instead for not making the use of GLT mandatory. It looks like a goal i agree, but I think Diks/Makkelie couldnt be 100 percent sure. It is not as clear as Ronaldo and some people here claim it is.
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DeleteI made this srceenshot from the TV live broadcast
Yep. Unlucky but very crucial mistake by AR2.
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DeleteSo, is not fake. You can rewatch this.
The video : https://twitter.com/i/status/1375929905402277890
ReplyDeleteAny thoughts on collum?
ReplyDeleteCollum: Overall good refereeing in a normal match without much difficulty. Only one thing and I have already mentioned it, an inopportune whistle for half-time of the match without additionnal time while the Czech team was in possession of the ball in the attacking phase near the penalty area with a real possibility of a goal opportunity, hence a lot of protests from the players. My personal note; 8.3/8.4.
DeleteThanks, would have watched myself but I was watching Madden in a domestic match
DeleteCollum had an excellent game in Praha and if his watch says half time half time it is, do you want him to play on until Czech team score
DeleteOk guys, looking at the picture, the goal is a goal but I have to admit, it is very difficult for AR to detect this. I really DO NOT understand why people are criticizing AR. It is a 100% fault of the missing of GLT.
ReplyDeleteWould you say the same if it was per exemple title deciding match in some league that doesn't have GLT nor VAR? Having GLT is great for everyone but when it is not in use refs have to be at full alert, be ready and take decisions about ball crossing the line if they have to and take full responsibility for those decisions
DeleteI see your point, but I still have no idea how we can expect AR to see this in a fully comprehensive way. The goal is the goal but from what I saw in the picture, it was very close to the line. As Nole mentioned below, it is reasonable that AR could not see because of the post. Again, do not have GLT is a shame in FIFA-related matches, I do not blame AR because I understand that it was extremely hard to tell whether a goal or not from his angle. The fault is from GLT, not from AR
DeleteI think ARs lost their feeling and awareness for goal line (goal or no goal) decisions.
ReplyDeleteVAR and GLT taught referees (especially ARs) that in doubt better solution is to wait and not to make decision.
Overtime, this way of thinking become a habit.
About Makkelie: 1. I remember that I read on this blog lot of times, great number of times when you justified YCs in incidents like in Belgrade: trailing leg, low point of contact no matter of intensity... Now I read that many people justify RC just because it was Makkelie’s decision.... 2. About goal: AR2 was just late to have proper angle to see whether it was a goal. Probably he couldn’t see that because of the post. The ball is in, but only few centimeters (not even close as Ronaldo showed with his hands). Interesting is that exactly at that goal in the history referees failed to see that it was a goal I’m much clearer situation when the ball was half a meter or more inside, in much more important international matches.
ReplyDeleteThis tackle was not only a trailing leg tackle, achilles tendon was hit with the studs as well. Together with the high speed and Milenkovic jumping in with no contact to the ground when initiating the tackle the RC is supportable at the very least.
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Have to agree that a lot of ARs probably lose their feel for these goal/no goal situations. Not a coincidence the officials in both incidents this week are from countries with GLT.
ReplyDeleteOn the flipside I very rarely see officials get these decisions wrong in Scotland where there is no GLT
Actually there’s no GLT in the Netherlands, only VAR.
DeleteAnd your comparison seems quite opportunistic. I do believe that Scottish officials rarely get these decisions wrong, but actually Dutch, English, and German officials don’t either. Simply because these kind of situations are quite rare in the first place. Your conclusion based on these last two incidents is not very valid IMO, let’s make this comparison again after the entire WC qualifying stage has finished.
I'm going to play the devil's advocate re: goal-line decision in the Portugal game. It's impossible to say whether that ball is over the line UNLESS you have a camera directly overhead.
ReplyDeleteThe ball is a sphere, there can still be "green in between the ball and the line" in the angles we're seeing in the pictures even if the ball is not over the line.
I refuse to pass judgement on the AR until I see an angle that definitively shows the ball over the line.
Well said, Joe. I completely agree with you. People should understand that AR can not see everything clearly because of positioning and angel problem. It is very unfair to blame AR, and more importantly, it is ridiculous that GLT is not available. Lampard's goal was disallowed in 2010 World Cup due to the lack of GLT. 11 years later, GLT is still not available. What a joke...
DeleteAgreed totally. PRO went through this with visual examples last season after a goal wasn't given but the camera angle wasn't perfect. The showed various situations to illustrate the point that a ball can look several inches to a foot over a line when the angle is like that yet still be in touch with the line.
DeleteI am shocked people say this is a clear goal. It illustrates a lack of competency in geometry.
It might have been a goal. It might not have. It was really close.
Please... it is clear as day....
DeleteI have the feeling that whatever Makkelie does he will always be the best European referee for some people here. Yes he is currently one of the best referees in Europe, but this ball is clearly in the goal, sorry guys, and that’s a huge mistake, but it happens to every ref !
DeleteYou make a good point here, the discusion is getting personal as to who the referee is rather than is the decision correct. the English Premiership has an excellent system where their watch bleeps if the ball in over the goal line. Being neutral regarding which referee is involved, I thought the camera proved the ball was over the line
Delete@WCReferee Very remarkable post again... What does yesterday’s incident has to do with ‘some people considering Makkelie the best European referee’? Why are you bringing up this in relation to a mistake which Makkelie is not to blame for? What is the agenda? Yes, it was a goal. Yes, the AR made an incorrect evaluation. Yes, the mistake has crucial influence. But no, Makkelie couldn’t have prevented that. Indin’t see what this has to do with Makkelies qualities.
DeleteDanny yesterday like Kassai. But he is GOOD ref.
ReplyDeleteYesterday I forgot to mention excellent decision by AR1 (Steegstra) before the Serbia's second goal. He had excellent decision before their first goal too. Besides this two decisions, he had 3-4 good offside calls. Without dilema 8.6 for him.
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