Referees in charge of the 2022 FIFA World Cup UEFA Play-Offs.
29.03.22 20:45 CET
POLAND - SWEDEN
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Fourth Official: Davide Massa (ITA)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Fourth Official: Davide Massa (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Vladimir Šajn (SVN)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Rotem Kamer (ISR)
29.03.22 20:45 CET
Estádio do Dragão, Porto (POR)
PORTUGAL - NORTH MACEDONIA
PORTUGAL - NORTH MACEDONIA
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Christoper Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Thibault De Gendt (BEL)
Reading this, the postponed/abandoned matches were probably for Vincic, Makkelie, and a Spaniard.
ReplyDeleteQuite sure we will see indeed Makkelie and a Spanish on June, but don't forget that Karasev was forced to stay out. Quite clearly, he could have handled a game in case of "normal situation" without postponed and annulled matches.
DeleteOliver being a 4th official with Taylor suggests he was a replacement for Karasev in Swe-Cze.
DeleteVague assumption!!! Russia was at the other side of the draw, the winner of the draw would have faced Russia probably !! I do not think Karrassev was. Going to be appointed for the semi finals.
DeleteFor Cakir, more likely. Karasev wouldn't have been in the B Path since Russia was also in that path.
DeleteExpected appointments with Taylor kept away from spotlights for being assigned to this game. Committee expected a possible Portugal - Italy, as we discussed.
ReplyDeleteAbout Orsato, appointment reported before by Polish media, there was a leak. A remark can be made about his assistant referees in such games: very often Preti is replaced by Giallatini, so in my opinion it is not 100% sure that Preti and Giallatini will be his team at WC, chances for Carbone as well. Italy should have managed at least two referees at WC for rewarding all the best assistant referees we have, but of course it is absolutely fair to see only Orsato (I write that before being attacked...). I dare to say that Italian assistant referees are really good.
:):)
DeleteGiven his physical shape i dont see an Elite in Orsato any more since Euro 2021, however skill wise he is still really good and he will be in Quatar unless he will get injured.
DeleteGuys, I don’t understand why Italian refs are so much attacked in this blog. Undeserved IMO. Italy has ‘just’ two Elites. Come on! Thats not a lot if you compare to other top countries. Germany f.e. has 4 while only 1 performs on top elite level. I also don’t think that Italian referees are getting more matches than Spanish or Germans.
DeleteGood point regarding the AR’s. I want to say something about AR’s in general;
they deserve more credits. They do halve of the work by advising and communicating for 90 min. Flawless assistents can make a mediocre referee look very good. For this reason I totally understand why Massa and Guida are appointed to KO-matches. It’s all about teamwork :) Italy also has well-trained VAR’s. Not unimportant as well.
Its actually sad that a great AR is not selected for WC while being better than some of the AR’s that will be selected.
Quite normal to see 4 elite from Germany and Spain but just two at top level? Extremely funny to attack only italian refs.
DeleteJuan, I don’t know if Massa is better because I don’t watch a lot Italian football, but he is clearly more experienced and challenged. You can’t compare Serie A with the domestic leagues of Ekberg and Treimanis. Bigger stadiums and interests.
DeleteAlso the well-trained AR’s and VAR’s are a big plus to me, so I totally understand the promotion.
Some big countries should consider the option to relegate though.
What about elite ref from many years ago without top match? I think Italy will has soon Guida Élite too.
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Delete"Some big countries should consider the option to relegate though."
In case of Germany, the problem is that both 1st div referees (Osmers, Stegemann) are not exactly elite material either. Relegating Stieler for one of them would be pretty much zero sum. I think the best strategy would be to keep Aytekins retirement slot (age limit) for one of Jablonski/Schlager, whoever develops faster.
Svein Odvar Moen is 4.Official
ReplyDeleteMy list of Elite referees:
ReplyDeleteTurpin, Letexier, Siebert, Zwayer, Orsato, Massa, Jovanovic, Schaerer, Oliver, Taylor, Makkelie, Marciniak, Hategan, Kovacs, Karasyov, Vincic, DC Grande, Gil Manzano, Lahoz, Cakir.
To a frequent Bundesliga viewer, ranking Zwayer above Aytekin sounds borderline insane. But it's probably just what it is, that under current UEFA leadership, one controversial Barca-PSG game is weighted higher than 20 years of your career.
DeleteMy list of elite referees
DeleteOliver, Taylor, Orsato, Massa, Del Cerro Grande, Gil manzano, Lahoz, Cakir, Halil Umut meler, Makkelie, Hategan, Kovacs, Vincic, Marchinak, Siebert, Zwayer, Turpin, Bastien, Schaerer, Karasev, Jovanovic
@Kaer: I think the problem with Aytekin is the same problem as with Gräfe. There style just doesnt fit in international matches, were I believe, a more "statesman" referee is required. I'm not saying Zwayer is that kind of referee, just explaining why Aytekin is not as relevant in UEFA as he's in Bundesliga. Might also be the reason why Brych was a top 3 referee in UEFA for years, though it never seemed to me he had the same standing (with players and DFL officials) in Bundesliga as international. Of course a big reason for Brych not getting highclass Bundesliga matches often, was that as a Munich native, he wasnt allowed to handle Bayern games.
DeleteOne could possibly argue about the 'physical' of Orsato, but frankly speaking I can count on one hand the UEFA Elite referees with a top personality and who dare to make unpopular correct decisions e.g. against the home club.
ReplyDeleteMay I ask who? :)
DeleteFor those who are interested, AIA made a press conference yesterday mostly to explain what had happened in Torino - Inter, the game with the famous mistake by VAR Massa, who didn't invite referee Guida to OFR for a clear penalty to be whistled.
ReplyDeleteVideo:
https://streamable.com/4n2h9f
After the incident, Guida asked repeatedly: "Did he play ball?". Massa answered: "Let me check, wait [...]. Yes, he played ball! Let's go on. I can confirm he played ball, AT FIRST BALL, THEN FOOT."
According to Rocchi, Massa did this mistake for two reasons: he took a decision bein too much superficial and maybe a nit influenced by the assessment of Guida, then Rocchi also explained that in his opinion, Massa acted too much like he was on the pitch and not in front of a monitor to help the referee. If Guida could miss the incident, still according to Rocchi's statement, Massa was definitely not allowed to do that. In any case, they don't want to "lose" two of the best Italian referees, so they will return soon. As reported, the mistake by VAR has been assessed as definitely more serious. Guida should return in serie B after the break on next week-end, while Massa still out for a round and then he should be back in serie B the matchday after.
My personal conclusion is that Massa did an extremely significant mistake, even more worse than what Rocchi said, but of course the latter couldn't be so harsh in the press conference against him. Indeed, saying something like "at first ball, then foot", looking at the video, is quite shocking. He didn't watch the video at all, one could say, being influenced by referee and his questions from the pitch and maybe feeling to be in the same condition... I can't find other arguments!
This is why it is important to have specialized VARs rather than the same referees doing both roles.
DeleteCan anyone imagine Taylor getting CL final this season anymore? He has now officiated both Nations league and World cup playoff final this season
ReplyDeleteI agree with this observation, even before this appointment for WC Play Off final, the big assignments for him had been remarkable, we can also include UEFA Super Cup in 2020.
DeleteHe has been rewarded by committe, also because one can be aware that very often there will be English teams in CL final.
He can still keep a hope for the future, I don't know how long he will stay, as there aren't age limits, but on next years the first opportunity of a final without English teams will see him as favorite if he keeps the status.
I said a few weeks back on Rate the Ref that the next time there is a UCL final with no English team in, Taylor will referee.
DeleteI don't see it this year though as I think at least one English team will be in the final
Is he an option if there are two though? Although he has done Chelsea vs Liverpool twice already this season and is likely to do Man City vs Liverpool at Wembley or Etihad.
I don't think, those two finals are a strong argument against Taylor. If there is no English team and if he seems to be the best candidate after QF and SF, he could still get it, I think. If he and someone else are considered equal, it might be a tiebreaker though.
DeleteHaving him referee a final with two English teams would be very unusual as this has never happened (even in normal KO rounds) as far as I know. But maybe we need to expect the unexpected...
The most important thing for Taylor is a good performance on Tuesday though. If it went very wrong, there would be a compatriot ready to take over as England's No 1.
Predictions Quarter Finals
ReplyDeleteCity-Atl.Madrid:Cüneyt Cakir
Benfica-Liverpool:Felix Zwayer
Chelsea-Real Madrid:Clement Turpin
Villareal-Bayern:Ovidiu Hategan
Return matches:
Atl.Madrid vs City:Daniele Orsato
Liverpool vs Benfica:Danny Makkelie
Real-Chelsea:Szymon Marciniak
Villareal vs Bayern:Slavko Vincic
Europa League:
Leipzig-Atalanta:Michael Oliver
Frankfurt-Barcelona:Slavko Vincic
West Ham vs Lyon:J.Gil Manzano
Braga vs Rangers:István Kovacs
Return Matches:
Atalanta vs Leipzig:Mateu Lahoz
Barcelona vs Frankfurt:Anthony Taylor
Lyon vs West Ham:Carlos del Cerro Grande
Rangers vs Braga:Srdjan Jovanovic
is a CL QF possible for cakir?
DeleteMy QF Predictions CL,EL
Villareal-Bayern: Taylor/Vincic
Benfica-Liverpool: Hategan/Cakir
Chelsea-Real: Marchinak/Turpin
ManCity-Atletico: Siebert/Makelie
Leipzig-Atalanta: Halil Umut Meler/ Michael Oliver
Frankfurt-Barcelona: Jovanovic/Kovacs
WestHam-Lyon: Felix Zwayer/Massa
Rangers-Braga:Sandro Schaerer/ Letexier
Your QF Predictions?
You can find the predictions of others and me under this post
Deletehttp://law5-theref.blogspot.com/2022/03/referee-appointments-for-international.html
For Cakir, I think, it depends on how fast he is appointed again in Turkey - and when UEFA makes the appointments. I don't think someone without domestic top league matches in the last weeks should be appointed in an European quarterfinal.
The same counts for Massa as well, of course.
Thanks Philipp for the information
DeleteI replace Massa by Artur Dias
A couple of referee decisions discussed by British media after the friendly internationals played in the last few days:
ReplyDelete> Correct penalty awarded to England by Andreas Ekberg after intervention [VAR: Boucaut (BEL)]; I think the Swede should have spotted this in real time to be honest
Clip: https://streamja.com/O4jve
> No VAR in Robert Hennessey's game (Scotland vs. Poland) and it seems he fell for a clear dive in the final minutes to give a penalty for Poland, who equalised by scoring it
Clip: https://streamja.com/1NnBd
About England - Switzerland, I agree with you. Ekberg should have spotted the handball by himself. The last replay at the end of the video shows that he didn't react when he had to make such assessment, looking rather passive, despite of being in a good position to see that. Then, merely according to LotG this should have been YC, shot on goal blocked by hand, no matter it was a friendly, this was objective.
DeleteIn Scotland - Poland I would call this "a perfect simulation", attacker knows that keeper is trying a save and there isn't VAR in the game, so he had a try for the penalty, he managed success. It is always difficult in such situations without VAR, though. I wouldn't blame the Irish officials, rather, the attacker for his behavior.
This appointment shows Stuart Attwell has falling of UEFA Radar!! It pains me so that PGMOL are practically to blame for all this!! To operate as VAR with 2 different styles is problematic to say the least and it will certainly show one way or the other!! Christopher Kavanagh that’s the leading English VAR has had his troubles domestically and one hope that he doesn’t show the fragility that Attwell showed on European stage recently… appearing as AVAR is a road to redemption for him tho because he is the only English VAR on the World Cup list, and thinking that 2 English refs might be at the World Cup, Attwell just has to go.
ReplyDeleteWhat a strange situation with penalty for Almeria in LaLiga2.
ReplyDeleteAlmeria's player missed penalty, goalkeaper saved and another Almeria's player (who too early ran into penalty area) hit goal post. After this and VAR intervention referee repeat penalty..
The OFC WC play-off final between Solomon Islands and New Zealand will be refereed by Nawaf Shukralla (BHR).
ReplyDeleteDo you know who is appointing these matches? Is FIFA choosing the referees themselves, or AFC? Or perhaps OFC?
DeleteI don't know, but I would assume OFC is in the lead, but needs to cooperate with the other confederations. If only for practical reasons like getting the contact data of the officials.
DeleteFull appointment (bar VAR):
Shukralla (BHR), Makasini (TGA), Revel, Hauata (both TAH), Narayan (FIJ)
VARs are Salman Falahi and Abdluhadi Al Ruaile from Qatar.
DeleteNow watching Usa vs Panama, ref is Barton.
ReplyDeletePenalty with no booking that he whistled shows why is big difference between them CONCACAF and CONMEBOL or UEFA refs.
Usa player crosses the ball, Panama player smacks Usa player in the face, ref whistles nothing.
Moment gies by, he gets called for OFR decides that it is a penalty, points to the spot and to my shock, no booking at all.
Im sure that UEFA or CONMEBOL ref would have knowledge to show YC.
Not to mention his lenient style and allowing dirty fouls and plays all over the pitch.
Now huge confrontation between Pulisic and other Panama player's, not even warning.
DeleteIndeed - he cautions for the careless striking offence resulting in the penalty, but the borderline-ish reckless/VC one is no card, even after he has many chances to view the scene at the OFR! :D
DeleteFirst penalty (13'):
https://send.cm/d/9iYX
Second penalty (+47'):
https://send.cm/d/9iYZ
I definitely wouldn't say this was Barton's best night, he was far too lenient even by Concacaf standards (which have, honestly, been improving a bit). In particular, the play that I think M is referencing, just before halftime, a big mass confrontation in front of the benches, during which someone on the Panamanian bench kicked a ball forcefully at two American players on the pitch, somehow escaped without sanction. In particular, I'm surprised that the VAR Marco Ortiz did not intervene here! The kicking of the ball, at a minimum, was a clear red card offense.
Delete@smala017,yep that is the olay I was reffering to, I mean someone on the Panama bench kicked the ball straight at Pulisic and they ecaped wothout any kind of punishment.
DeleteToo much leniency,missed calls and no clear line, these are the things that European refs are far more better than anyone in the world.
Appointments for 2nd legs in CAF play-offs:
ReplyDeleteSENEGAL-EGYPT: Mustapha Ghorbal - Mokrane Gourari, Abdelhak Etchiali - Lahlou Benbraham (all ALG)
NIGERIA-GHANA: Sadok Selmi (TUN) - Khalil Hassani (TUN), Attia Amsaeed (LBY) - Haythem Guirat (TUN)
TUNISIA-MALI: Maguette N'Diaye - Djibril Camara, El Hadji Samba - Issa Sy (all SEN)
ALGERIA-CAMEROON: Bakary Gassama (GAM) - Jerson dos Santos (ANG) - Mahmoud Ahmed Kamel (EGY) - Amin Omar (EGY)
RD CONGO-MOROCCO: Pacifique Ndabihawenimana (BDI) - Elvis Noupue (CMR), Seydou Tiama (BFA) - Dahane Beida (MTN)
They all did a great game.
DeleteI was astonished by their level.
Shocking news from Romania. Ovidiu Hațegan suffered a heart attack on Sunday and underwent emergency surgery in Timisoara. The press says that he started to feel chest pain after a regular training and decided to go volunteer at the hospital in his homecity of Arad where the doctors told him that he had a heart attack. He underwent emergency surgery nearby in Timișoara and had a sternum fitted.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.gsp.ro/fotbal/liga-1/ovidiu-hategan-a-suferit-un-infarct-659048.html
A close person of Hațegan stated: "He felt a chest pain during training. As a doctor, he noticed the symptoms and got into the car, going to the hospital alone. He arrived in Timisoara and, following an EKG, was told that he had a clogged vein. A stent was fitted."
DeleteWow, that's shocking. First and foremost, I hope all is well with his health. Is there any chance for his return to the pitch at all? And if so, what might the timetable for that be? Is any of that known yet?
DeleteI feel awful for Hategan, I swear he is the unluckiest referee in all of history... so close to the World Cup finally and this happens.
He is really unlucky :( all the best to him.
DeleteWow shocking news. My warmest wishes for a fast and full recovery for his health. Go Ovidiu
DeleteTerrible news... deepest best wishes to him from the blog (I'm sure I speak on behalf of Chefren + all too).
DeleteAbsolutely, Mikael, I share your words, all of us are close to him! Now refereeing doesn't matter, let's think to health and a quick recovery!
DeleteTwo very interesting and quite similar VAR scenes from around the confederations in WCQ. Both potential penalties for handling offences, when the referees' final decisions were both for a defensive freekick for a prior foul infraction.
ReplyDeleteThe former was given as a penalty on the FoP and then efficiently revoked, the latter was a very long review process for a missed handling offence. Clips below:
Nigeria vs. Ghana (76')
Ref: Jiyed (MAR) | VAR: Blom (NED)
(https://send.cm/d/9iVl)
Iraq vs. United Arab Emirates (28')
Ref: Ma N. (CHN) | VAR: Fu M. (CHN)
(https://send.cm/d/9iVj)
NGAvsGHA: Correct decision, clear trip. Furthermore, I think the handball decision was clearly wrong in the first place: the defender's arms are clearly used to support his body and nothing more.
DeleteIRQvsUAE: The foul is definitely more subjective here. The handball offense is clear. To me, I see the foul as soft. The contact between the arm of IRQ #21 is mostly to the defender's shoulder. If there is a foul here, I would prefer the earlier shirt pull by UAE #4; to me, that was a much more clear offense than this possible striking.
Big LOL at Nigeria #8 and his reaction after VAR
DeleteIt's been reported just now apparently Hategan (Romania) suffered a heart attack yesterday. He had emergency surgery but is doing well according to his surgeon
ReplyDeleteGet well soon, Ovidiu !
DeleteHis Dr: Out of any danger, too soon to talk about the career.
DeleteTerrible news! I wish him a speedy recovery
DeleteOT:
ReplyDeleteJust wondering. Which of the 4 Champions League games do we consider as the most difficult one to officiate? And which one would be the 'highest profile' one?
I think the RMA-CHE could be a very tight and obviously a high profile game, but I have the feeling that it won't be near PSG-RMA in terms of difficulty. Perhaps the Atletico game might be the toughest one to officiate of this round, because of the players. What do you guys think?
by far Atletico's game
DeleteYes, I think so too. Although MCI-ATM can turn into an easy game if the scoreline is not tight :-) Hard to predict.
DeleteRMA-CHE: I remember the semi-final of last year. Two sportive teams focused on playing football. However it was an empty stadium, so things can be different this time.
Manchester City vs Atletico Madrid will be the hardest. Team that want to play football against the masters of the dark arts? City players will become frustrated if Atleti take control of the tie either through scoreline or antics and a strong referee will need to keep some strong personalities in check for them as well as dealing with the usual Atleti behaviour. The potential for manager's pantomime behaviour to influence crowds and players will also be massive.
DeleteAll the best to Ovidiu Hațegan for a quick recovery! First and only important thing is health, the rest doesn't matter! Law5 blog is close to him in this very difficult moment!
ReplyDeleteTurkey - Italy: Jorgj (Albania)
ReplyDeleteSo, we know Hategan was probably appointed to RMA-CHE. I started puzzling a bit.
ReplyDeleteThe available options, based on the rule that a referee can’t officiate the same team in R16 and QF (although, I can see committee breaking that rule, considering how narrow the AA+ poule is…):
-Bayern - Villareal : Taylor / Vincic / Jovanovic / Makkelie / Orsato / Kovacs
-Atletico Madrid - Man City : Turpin / Marciniak / Siebert / Makkelie / Orsato / Kovacs
-Liverpool - Benfica : Turpin / Gil Manzano / Siebert / Jovanovic / Orsato / Kovacs
-Real Madrid - Chelsea : (Hategan) / Turpin / Vincic / Marciniak / Siebert / Jovanovic / Kovacs
Out:
-Mateu Lahoz (Liverpool in R16), Oliver (Bayern in R16), DCG (Benfica in R16).
Doubts:
-Kovacs?
-Cakir?
-Makkelie (saved for CL SF or F?)
-Orsato (saved for CL SF?)
Analysis:
- BAY - VIL: Taylor is a good bet; no other options for him. 2nd name: Perhaps Vincic, as I understood that he was critized a bit in England after the last R16 game and the other games are not possible based on his R16 appointments. On the other hand, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a new Elite (like Jovanovic) appointed to BAY-VIL. Game is suitable for a new Elite.
- ATM - MCI: This is a tricky one. Most of the referees mentioned above have some history with Atletico (f.e. a RC’s Atletico in group stages or lost control). Not sure committee cares about that. Marciniak is well-known for his management skills and did not referee Atletico this season. I’d bet on him. The 2nd name: perhaps Siebert (committee used him before in hot clashes) or if they want to play it safe: Orsato / Makkelie. I’d love to see Turpin though.
- LIV - BEN: obviously a Spanish ref (Gil Manzano); no other options available for Spain. 2nd name is more difficult. Plenty of options. Siebert, Jovanovic or even Orsato. Makkelie already officiated Liverpool twice in group stage and therefore less likely.
- RMA - CHE: Hategan originally appointed to first leg. I expect a very big name in the 2nd leg. Orsato & Makkelie officiated RMA in R16. Taylor is not possible. Turpin seems a nice obvious choice. Had some troubles with Atletico in group stage, so I’d rather bet on CHE-RMA to be assigned to him. Replacement for Hategan is difficult. One could think, the other appointments were already made, so they need to appoint a referee who was initially assigned to EL. Perhaps his compatriot Kovacs, Vincic, Jovanovic, or Cakir back on the international stage?
I’m looking forward to all appointments.
I mostly agree with your analysis, but I think, they could also move around something to replace Hategan, i.e. give the match to someone, who was planned for another CL QF.
DeleteThat way, a possibly less experienced replacement could get VIL-BAY or BEN-LIV and not the bigger CHE-RMA.
Agree Philipp, I was just thinking the same. If Vincic was initially for example appointed to Villareal-Bayern, they could easily swap things, appoint Vincic to RMA-CHE and appoint f.e. Jovanovic or Kovacs to the Bayern game.
DeleteZwayer is a Good idea.For me at Benfica vs Liverpool
DeleteDoes anyone subscribe to the argument that Turpin is being "saved" for the final and Makkelie is the "save pair of hands" that can do all the big matches this year?
ReplyDeleteI just think Makkelie's assignments (thinking Real-PSG, in particular) have been risky, whereas Turpin's have mostly not. So I wonder if you'll see Makkelie used on something like Atletico-City and Turpin saved for the Final.
It's possible, but IMO one could use Turpin in e.g. Chelsea-Real AND in the final.
DeleteWith Makkelie, Marciniak and Turpin there are three options for the CL final, who can referee all remaining teams, so it's unlikely that you stay without remaining option, even if all three work in difficult quarterfinals.
Cakir for QF is a must as there are no other options.
DeleteIMO the quarter final appointments will tell more. The anticipated CL final referee will probably not handle a CL quarter final clash. A Chelsea-Real Madrid or Manchester City-Atletico Madrid quarter final will most likely exclude a referee for the CL final IMO.
DeleteI guess Makkelie will ref the final.
DeleteFirst, looking at their experience:
- Makkelie did VAR in CL Final (2019), EL Final (2020), EURO SF and CL SF (2021).
- Turpin did “just” EL SF (2019), EL Final (2021).
I think Turpin could get a big QF AND a SF this year.
Makkelie has less chance in QF: he cant do Chelsea Real Madrid (ref in R16), he cant do Bayern Villarreal (Taylor’s game), Liverpool Benfica (spanish ref’s game, and he did LIV twice in group stage). For ATM-MCI, he already got a hot game before (PSG-RMA).
Maybe I could appoiny him in 2nd leg, because there are really few top referees
8 names for QF: Taylor, Del Cerro, Turpin, Marciniak, Kovacs, Vincic, Siebert, Makkelie
4 names for SF: Orsato, Turpin, Taylor/Lahoz (depending on ESP/ENG teams), Vincic/Marciniak (or both)
Final: Makkelie
I see the things like MdN. But I bet that we will have at least a big surprise.
DeleteI think we will see the following:
DeleteQF's: Cakir, Taylor, Siebert, Manzano, Turpin, Makkelie, Kovacs, Jovanovic
SF's: Orsato, Vinic, Lahoz, Marciniak
F: Makkelie
Australia-United Arab Emirates will be the AFC 4th round tie. Possible candidates to handle the games?
ReplyDeleteRyuji Sato looks like the obvious option to me.
DeleteAnd if I understand it correctly, it is only one game.
Correct Philipp, it is a single game
DeleteSato is a good choice also to me. I didn't see Faghani in the latest matchdays. Is he still candidate?
DeleteFaghani officiates in Australian league, so he can't get this game. More generally, his particular condition of being both Iranian and "Australian", in regard to potentially crucial assignments in AFC for him, is not a good thing.
DeleteFaghani could however be a good choice for an interconfederational play-off.
DeleteIndeed. I agree with Philipp. I think Faghani could be the top candidate for the Concacaf V OFC Interconfederational play-off.
DeleteThe amount of laser pointers fans in Dakar are using is shameful. It looks like there are constantly lasers on every Egyptian player including the coach. Games have been halted in other confederations for far less serious crowd issues (i.e. mean chants in Concacaf). IMO these conditions are not safe for players; laser pointers in the eyes can be dangerous. CAF should do something about this...
ReplyDeleteYeah, I've never seen anything like that before, and also Egyption players was hit with bottles thrown from the crowd. IMO, in Europe this match would've been stopped and it should be.
DeleteThe Match Commissioner should have intervened and the referee should have 'stopped' the match (activation of the 3-step procedure)
DeleteWho are the VARs in the African games? Already a penalty given after OFR in Nigeria, and now a goal overturned for offside.
ReplyDeleteHow did that offside intervention take three minutes?
DeleteSEN-EGY
DeleteVAR: Bastian Dankert (GER)
AVAR: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
NGA-GHA
DeleteVAR: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
AVAR: Willy Delajod (FRA)
@CWY2190 I'm not sure exactly but it looks like Selmi is continuously having problems hearing his earpiece.
DeleteOFR & Penalty in Nigeria clearly correct, I think. Stepping on the foot with sufficient intensity.
DeleteThis is going to be an incredibly difficult 45 or 75 minutes for Ghorbal.
ReplyDeleteBut he convinced me completely!
DeleteThe site you linked doesn't work, it loads the page but then videos can't be played.
ReplyDeleteI found on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbd1zGSQc9g
Very strange penalty decision, looks like he had maybe an input by AR? Otherwise, very late call, and I don't understand the exact reason.
Absolutely shameful what's happening in SEN-EGY... dozens (!) of lasers pointing at Egyptian GK's eyes since kick-off.
ReplyDeleteYes this was incredible
DeleteYC for Goralski Polska in 37'.
ReplyDeleteIT was SFP. Missed RC.
No var intervention
Not in nowadays refereeing. It was a scratch but not full contact, if you know what I mean.
DeleteOrsato is playing it safe. You can rarely see such focused Italian, paying attention to every detail. We know how much he likes 'play-on' calls in his games. The game is very fair so far, no problems at all but you feel it can explode in every second.
ReplyDeleteImo wrong VAR intervention Netherlands-Germany. VAR england and ref Pawson
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/NOSvoetbal/status/1508901026161692680?t=hcrba2_Ne283SRiOQviPSA&s=19
Hope you can watch this clip outside NL
Ball is played, but is the contact with attacker before? Play on would have been the better decision, but is the penalty call clearly and obviously wrong…?
DeleteWrong intervention for me, too. The attacker is hit before the ball.
DeleteThe German commentator was also very surprised by that intervention.
Never a clear and obvious mistake. I'm in trouble to understand more about English VARs.
DeleteI don't it is a penalty but its not something that VAR should be getting involved in.
DeleteEnglish VAR system is to blame
Orsato continued his consistent approach combining low bar for a FK being given with quite strict disciplinary approach. Really not Orsato we got used to. :) I would award him a full 8.6 for this game.
ReplyDeleteKey match incidents:
09:50 Penalty incident: charging
36:55 Reckless vs SFP by Góralski
46:55 Penalty awarded for kicking; brilliantly read by Orsato - the ball was moving TOWARDS players and therefore Krychowiak was entitled to put his leg in front of his opponent who ran into this leg. (Thank you, Mr Przesmycki for explaining such type of situations in the past!)
Goal for Algeria disallowed after OFR (98'): Live it looked like goal scored by shoulder (i.e. legal part of the arm), but the slow-motion / freeze frame replays showed there was (also?) a contact with the upper arm (i.e. illegal part of the arm).
ReplyDeletehttps://streamlare.com/v/gNGePnbpg4ozQqrY at 2h27
DeleteI think the 2nd angle VAR shows is conclusive, it does hit Slimani on the arm (under the ellbow)
Any reports from Taylor's game?
ReplyDeleteIMO no 6 & 8 of NM should have been booked around 68' & 71' respectively.
DeleteWhat a finale for Gassama in ALG-CMR, epic game but almost impossible to manage.
ReplyDeletePlayers should have to stay off the field longer than refs let them. If you're so injured that you can't get up for three minutes, then you should be getting at least three minutes of treatment before being waved back on.
DeleteGassama did a great job!!!
DeleteOT
ReplyDeleteQuite old news, but still would like to share with readers.
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UPDATE: One of the most experienced Referee assessor Deniz Coban claimes Cüneyt Cakir got an invention from the Swiss Federation to officate games in their league.This could be a step towards the WC he says...
ReplyDeleteConfirmed news or rumours? Was he invited before or after TFF revoked their decision?
DeleteFor prediction purposes, are there any potential CL-refs with a weekend off or a Saturday game? :)
ReplyDeleteI think Turpin is off.
Taylor has a Saturday game - I'd rather expect him in 2nd leg though.
Makkelie a Sunday game.
DFB has a different release strategy.
How about Vincic/Marciniak/Gil Manzano/Jovanovic..?
Vincic has a match on Saturday with his regular international assistants.
DeleteJovanovic and his assistants do not have a game for the weekend, VAR on Friday and Saturday.
ReplyDeleteOrsato has been appointed as VAR on Saturday for a serie A game, usually this kind of assignment means that he has an European game.
ReplyDeleteSo I think he could be the name replacing Hategan in Chelsea - Real Madrid, otherwise Manchester City - Atlético Madrid I think.
It is possible, but I don't think this is significant: Orsato refereed 3 matches in a row in Serie A, it is difficult for a referee to referee 4 matches in a row in Italy.
DeleteThe reasoning is mostly about the exact day of working as VAR (Saturday), in a match that rather is not so important. Other members of his possible team in UEFA appointed on Saturday and in Sunday's early games.
DeleteDefinitely possible. Busy schedule for him :)
DeleteAt first I thought, Orsato would be saved for a SF (like often happened in the past..), but if we look at last years appointments, Brych, Kuipers and Orsato were all appointed to a QF and a SF. Interesting fact: the two biggest games (on paper) in QF were officiated by these three. The fourth name was the CL final ref Mateu Lahoz.
This committee takes no risks. I guess we can definitely expect Orsato in the QF.
The three key match incidents from POLSWE
ReplyDelete10' Penalty incident: charging
https://streamable.com/6sgfwu
38' YC Góralski (POL) for studs-up challenge; reckless vs SFP
https://streamable.com/m3gk2i
48' Penalty awarded for charging
https://streamable.com/ls1os7
10'
DeleteNothing to whistle, I agree with Orsato decision to play on.
38'
Definitely a borderline situation, the intensity saves the player from VAR intervention, nowadays, as you said indeed yesterday, these challenges are treated in this way. RC by Orsato shouldn't have been questioned by VAR, in case.
48'
Correct penalty, Polish player tries to anticipate the opponent for reaching the ball, but he is charged from behind.
When will the referees for the World Cup be announced?
ReplyDeleteAfter the last decisive games on June (last Play-Offs for qualification), thank to Arbitro Internacional for this information.
DeleteSo soon? I thought that the names will be revealed in September or something like this.
DeleteOT: I usually love Frappart's refereeing, but at about 50' of Barca-Real Madrid CL Women, it looked like she missed PK call and no VAR, if it is being used.
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/8sv91w
DeleteAfter a closer look, I would argue that VAR assessed it as NO INTERVENTION because you can't say how much responsibility has attacker as well for putting (deliberately?) her leg ahead of defender. Not a clear action by defender on attacker, to say it in other words, but overall expected whistle for penalty when we see such situations on the pitch.
Good analysis, Chefren!
DeleteThere is shortage of top referees for the end of the Uefa season so it's difficult to find 8 ore more names for CL QF and SF. On other hard if something wrong happen in the QF, big names like Orsato or Turpin and Fired and nobody is remaining for SF.
ReplyDeleteI would be prudent protecting Orsato, Makkelie Turpin and Vincic for SF matches keeping them away from QF.
So the 8 names would be Marciniak, Taylor, Mateu L, Siebert, Jovanovic, Kovacs and..... Bastien+Grinfeeld.
It would be too much the two last ones? We need to prepare a new generation
If you protect these 4 big referees for SF, you are not protecting anyone for the Final :)
DeleteIt is not necessary to protect all 4 prospective SF referees; it is highly unlikely that they will ALL mess up so greatly so as to put themselves out of a semifinal. Therefore you can give most of them QFs with the expectation that at most one or two of them will fail, and you can fill those gaps with Marciniak or Siebert or (depending upon the results of the English and Spanish teams) Taylor / Mateu Lahoz.
DeleteI think one will be saved for the final.
I think, the remaining CL playoff games in a WC year will exclusively go to WC candidates. Grinfeld had no CL appointment since returning from Tokio, so his WC campaign should certainly be over.
DeleteOk, I try it... VF:
DeleteVillareal - Bayern
Meler/ Schärer
Chelsea - Real M.
Vincic/ Turpin
Man City - Atletico M.
Makkelie/ Orsato
Benfica - Liverpool
Massa/ Gil Manzano
HF
Chelsea/Real - ManCity/Atlet.
Siebert/ Marciniak
Villareal/Bayern - Benf./Liverp.
Jovanovic/ Orsato
https://www.goal.com/de/meldungen/nach-tuerkei-aus-fifa-schiedsrichter-cakir-koennte-in-die/blt4ccfc93266409671?fbclid=IwAR0USrZt9X5Y8aUy3ZxIPYk9DiZsOCrRogwriPcRMnBcHKUG-zLrnl2fqMM
ReplyDeleteCüneyt Cakir has a offer from Switzerland Football Association
"But despite this ruling [=decision of the Appeals Commitee, that the suspension was unlawful], referee chairman Ferhat Gündogdu insists on his position and does not want to use the referees. A senior board member of the association therefore resigned on Wednesday."
DeleteSounds like no games for Cakir in Turkey in the near future.
And Swiss referees are OK with someone taking their spot?
DeleteThe plan might be providing Cakir with Swiss ARs, which would increase the amount of Swiss referees at the WC by exactly two ;)
DeleteThe article says, that also Cakir's assistants could move to Switzerland.
DeleteUkrainian FIFA AR Striletska is already there.
Deleteif cakir gets into the world cup, does cakir get the final because Collina likes him?
ReplyDeleteI don't know if the final, but, knowing Collina, at least a semifinal for sure.
DeleteSorry guys, but those nominations still depend on the performances before!
DeleteObviously we will see, but maybe you don't remember well how Collina managed the referees ;)
DeleteSure I do but I dont think he is not able to learn and improve, esp after harsh critisism by com. members
Delete"BTW the ref yesterday was a joke" - a Tweet from Depay (Netherlands #10) about Craig Pawson after VAR intervention and OFR changed penalty to no-penalty.
ReplyDeleteI think it has been discussed elsewhere that it was never VAR stuff in the first place, anyone can see this. It now means that there have been problems with Attwell, Kavanagh and now England as VAR's in international matches, a very bad look for the Premier League - however it is no real surprise.
As an EPL viewer, I still have the opinion that the use of VAR in the EPL is of a poor standard.
I remember at WC2018 and EURO2020, EPL were fans giving referees and VAR huge praise (rightly so in many cases), but only because it was demonstrated how it should work, unlike in the EPL. I understand that these tournaments have, on paper, only the best referees and VARs, but the overall point is that VAR in England needs many improvements.
It seems that once an English VAR calls an OFR, the original decision is 100% guaranteed to be overturned. In fact, it begs the question why bother doing an OFR in the EPL - the VAR may as well just tell the on field referee to change the decision.
If it was done correctly, in NED-GER yesterday, England firstly wouldn't call Pawson for OFR given lack of obvious error. However, once he has, Pawson should be able to rewatch and see that he has made a supportable call and to stick with it. In the EPL, this is unimaginable, however I want to ask viewers of other leagues if on field referees ever stick with decisions even after OFR?
English officials will struggle for UCL appointments from now on given high presence of English teams. Nevertheless, I would suggest that English referee appointments from now on across the competitions use VARs from other countries, who have demonstrated they are more competent in this position.
In Dutch league, it happened at least twice that a referee on the pitch sticked with his original decision after an OFR. If I remember correctly, Gozubuyuk and Makkelie. The VAR was quite in-experienced, so that made sense.
DeleteI guess this is not the image that UEFA wants to see though. We remember Mateu Lahoz was called for an OFR (rangers-dortmund) and he clearly didn't agree but still changed his original decision. I hope, it's not an obligation to change decision after an OFR because VAR is human and could be wrong too.
Did any one see how great the refs were in the last wc qualifier games?
ReplyDeleteI don't think they were given enough credit!
I think, after good performances there, Gassama, Ghorbal and Tessema, maybe even Gomes are a safe bet for Qatar now. I was really impressed.
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ReplyDeletemaybe an international game on Wednesday or Thursday
There is a clear push from defense, but the attacker would never had a chance to play the ball after the clearance, harsh decision for me.
ReplyDeleteTurpin replaces Delerue in Ligue 1 AS Saint-Etienne vs Olympique de Marseille match on Saturday 21:00 CET.
ReplyDeleteif cakir is allowed to referee games in the swiss league, will cakir go to the world cup?
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