Referee appointments for second legs of 2018-19 UEFA Champions League Quarterfinals. Games to be played on Tuesday 16 April. Thank to Kronikasedziowska.
FC Barcelona (ESP) - Manchester United FC (ENG)
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Pavel Královec (CZE)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Patrick Kelly (IRL)
UEFA Delegate: Irakli Nakaidze (GEO)
16 April 2019, 21:00 CET - Turin (Juventus Stadium)
Juventus FC (ITA) - AFC Ajax (NED)
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Benoît Bastien (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Nicolas Rainville (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nikolay Levnikov (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Milovan Đukanović (MNE)
Expected appointments
ReplyDeleteEverything was expected there, for tomorrow my predictions: Makkelie in Porto - Liverpool and Skomina / Cakir in English derby.
ReplyDeleteSo, it will mean no Skomina for CL final?
DeleteWhy not? He can get final even in case of appointment for a quarterfinal.
DeleteEnter your reply...Damir Skomina alongside Clément Turpin are the referees with the highest chances of officiating at the finals.
Deleteaccording to tomorrow the designations could be:
ReplyDeleteMakkelie Porto - Liverpool
Orsato English derby
Expected appointments, and also committee member for Turpin.
ReplyDeleteBoth are expected appointments. That leaves Makkelie and Skomina (?) for tomorrow matches.
ReplyDeleteOT:
ReplyDeleteLooks like Torino-Cafliari was very challenging match for Irrati.
3 red cards,8 yellows,many fouls.
Excellent officiating there. Irrati is a referee who doesn't accept compromises. You protest and you get YC, you insult and you get straight RC. In addition, all mandatory cautions for at least reckless challenges.
DeleteA shame he's only behind the screen internationally. I don't see many referees like that nowadays.
DeleteTrue. I always saw him as a material for great international referee. I remember the first game I saw him (Serie C play-off?) and immediately after the game I said "what a great ref!". One of the best officiated game I watched in my life.
DeleteI have watched the key scens and Irrati sure is a strict one. But I agree with almost all cards shown (one was a bit soft) and this is a referee who - as Chefren said - doesn't do compromises. He is not unapproachable, but he is strict. SPA + dissent (kicking the ball away) after 50 seconds? YC. Reckless challenge after 110 seconds? YC. Refreshing to see that for once. I can understand not everybody likes it.
DeleteI feel that if the likes of Ramos, Satō or Kulbakov had referee this game, we would have half of the cards at best.
Irrati sounds like my type of referee. Too bad he's stuck behind the monitor internationally.
DeleteEnter your reply...irrati is still young and his time will definitely come. for now, Gianluca Rocchi and Daniele Orsato are more experienced referees representing Italy, who dont have much time left at the top.
DeleteMartínez Munuera with TWO OFR during the first half in Bilbao. Probably 6 or 7 OFR during this season. To much
ReplyDeleteThis is the 52nd CL match for Brych, who therefore overtakes Wolfgang Stark as the German with the most appointments and is now overall on the second place behind Kim Milton Nielsen.
ReplyDeleteBrych also has given the most Yellow Cards (220), the most 2nd YCs (13) and the most penalties (21) in the competition.
BTW: Can you guess (without looking it up), which referee gave the most straight Red Cards in CL history?
Velasco Carballo?
DeleteOlegario Benquerença?
DeleteKyros Vassaras?
DeleteTerje Hauge?
DeleteI would say Olegario Benquerenca or Lubos Michel. They were both very easy in giving red cards.
DeleteMaybe even Rosetti when I think better.
DeleteRosetti would also be my guess.
DeleteMichel is the only guess so far, who is in the top 5 (with 7 straight RCs)
DeleteBenquerenca and Rosetti have 5, the others less.
The top 3 are still all missing. :)
Anders Frisk might have something around that number considering how many games he had. Same goes for Howard Webb. Oh and Wolfgang Stark of course, he had 3 I believe in one game alone (although it was 2nd YC).
DeleteDe Bleeckere?
DeleteUndiano Mallenco?
Kassai?
:)
Kassai is actually the referee with the most CL matches without any straight RC (followed by Mejuto and Rizzoli). :)
DeleteFrisk is on a joined 2nd place (together with a current Elite referee) - best guess so far.
But number 1 is still unknown. (small hint: He did at least one European final).
If we look at the total number of sending-offs (including 2nd YCs), Brych would be on the first place again, followed by Mr Unknown. ;)
Markus Merk? (I nearly said Herbert Fandel)
DeleteHowever in my opinion it is very particular that referees with so many CL games have a so low amout of straight RC issued. Without having a deep knowledge about that, I thought that numbers were definitely higher... for sure for Kassai it is a record to have all these games but no straight red cards, one could not even believe that!
DeleteVery interesting statistics...
These are very interesting indeed. May I ask if you found them somewhere Philipp S or are they based on private research?
DeletePhilipp S what you say about Rizzoli is wrong, he brandished a straight red against Szczesny in R16 Arsenal - Bayern in the 13/14 season. For some reason this game is not listed on transfermarkt.de (which might be where you got your stats from). However, there is a match report here:
Deletehttps://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/chleague/spielrunde/champions-league/2013-14/7/2377854/livematchkarten_fc-arsenal_bayern-muenchen-14.html
Indeed, transfermarkt is my source and it seems, there are some gaps unfortunately. Maybe I should have remembered this particular RC anyway.
DeleteBut it should be still correct for Kassai and Mejuto. BTW, Claus Bo Larsen even has no sending-off at all in 34 CL games.
And yes, Markus Merk is the correct answer. The number varies between 10 and 12 RCs, but it is surely the most.
So as an overview (there might be some inaccuracies, but the general picture should be correct)
Most matches:
1. Nielsen 2. Brych 3. Stark 4. Michel 5. Merk
Most yellow cards:
1. Brych 2. Michel 3. Vassaras 4. Stark 5. Skomina
Most YC/match (and >5 matches):
1. Zwayer, Oliver 3. Clattenburg 4. Vassaras 5. Thomson, Atkinson
Most 2nd YCs:
1. Brych 2. Rocchi 3. Fandel, Hamer, Kassai, Michel
Most 2nd YCs/match:
1. Bebek, Strahonja
Most matches without 2nd YC:
1. Meier 2. Bo Larsen 3. Ivanov (he gave them elsewhere...)
Most RCs:
1. Merk 2. Frisk, Collum 3. Michel, Elleray
Most RCs/match:
1. Elleray
Most matches without RC:
1. Kassai 2. Mejuto Gonzalez 3. Bo Larsen
Most penalties:
1. Brych 2. Kuipers 3. Cakir 4. Kassai, Michel
Most penalties/match:
1. Bebek 2. Turpin
Most matches without penalty:
1. Benkö 2. Barber 3. Vink
While I am on it, for Europa League (since 2009):
DeleteMost matches:
1. Bebek 2. Schörgenhofer 3. Bezborodov, Kulbakov 5. Stavrev, Vad, Yefet
Most yellow cards:
1. Bebek 2. Tudor 3. Stavrev 4. Kruzliak 5. Schörgenhofer
Most YC/match (and >5 matches):
1. Kassai 2. Mazic 3. Kruzliak 4. Tudor 5. Dean
Most 2nd YCs:
1. Bebek 2. Gil, Schörgenhofer, Tudor 5. Kruzliak, Marciniak, Vad
Most 2nd YCs/match:
1. Marciniak
Most matches without 2nd YC:
1. Jakobsson 2. Skomina, Vincic
Most RCs:
1. Turpin 2. Blom, Stalhammar 4. Dean, Gumienny, Hategan, Orsato
Most RCs/match:
1. Stalhammar
Most matches without RC:
1. Johannesson 2. Kralovec 3. Balaj, Soares Dias
Most penalties:
1. Karasev 2. Chapron 3. Bebek, Bezborodov, Trattou
Most penalties/match:
1. Trattou 2. Marciniak
Most matches without penalty:
1. Undiano 2. Hansson, Kaasik
Most 2nd YCs/match:
Delete1. Bebek, Strahonja
Funny that 2 croats are leading this . :)
Terje Hauge
ReplyDeleteAdrián Cordero Vega (34) in Girona FC v Villarreal CF
ReplyDelete=> Laissez faire approach in the first half, some chances for warning missed.
=> He started second half with an easy yellow card to VIL8 (51') that was not in line with his overall attitude till that moment. Further six yellow cards were issued after that, including the YCs to GIR8 for persistent infringement (well read!, 80') and VIL4 for dissent (90+6').
=> Although the seven yellow cards were shown, Cordero Vega's style couldn't be described as active. Contrary, his reactions were often very late and not firm enough (apart from dissent). For example, (public) warnings for early fouls would have been expected (1', 4'), a very late card for reckless stamp (74'), lack of interest in reacting against tackle (90+4')
=> Good lost time compensation. Seven minutes added to the second half due to three breaks for medical treatment and substitutions.
=> Overall match control was not in danger as the players were behaving very well in that game: no conflicts, no malicious fouls, etc. One can question if the referee would have taken the same approach in a hotter game?
Cordero Vega likes to stay in the background. He's having a good season in his debut in LaLiga though, but I don't see a potential FIFA referee on him, but a good "regular" LaLiga referee like Jaime Latre or González González.
DeleteSpain, furthermore, has an "international replacement" problem. In 2-3 years Mateu Lahoz, Del Cerro Grande and Estrada Fernández will retire due to age limits and they have no replacement.
From the current 10 LaLiga and non-FIFA referees:
-Alberola Rojas: If he's not affected by a kind of "Vicandi Garrido syndrome", he will surely be a FIFA referee, but very likely to "inherit" Undiano's badge already in 2020, not Mateu's, Estrada's or Del Cerro's.
-Cuadra Fernández: 1984-born. He will be a little bit old (37) to become a FIFA referee but I can see him taking one of those three FIFA badges (e.g. Del Cerro Grande was 36 when he became FIFA referee and now he's Elite)
-Cordero Vega: 1984-born. See above.
-Medié Jiménez: 1984-born. See Cordero Vega.
-González González: No way, he's retiring next season due to age limit.
-Iglesias Villanueva: See González González
-Jaime Latre: I see him staying in LaLiga until his retirement, but for international issues he's already too old.
-González Fuertes: See Jaime Latre.
-Melero López: Too old + contender for demotion this year.
-Prieto Iglesias: Not enough potential to become a FIFA referee + contender for (a second) demotion.
So, this year's promotions from 2nd Division seem crucial. But it must be mentioned: There'll be only one demotion this year instead of two (my impression is that it's between Melero López and Prieto Iglesias), as Undiano will take the other relegation spot no matter if deserved or not, to "protect" other referees, so only 2 referees will be promoted this year from Segunda.
In 2nd Division there are many young referees, but I don't know if with enough potential to become successful FIFA referees, so let's see. Also, specially for Spanish readers, which current Liga 123 referee(s) do you see as the next Spanish internationals? Or do you think that in early 2020's the FIFA spots will be fulfilled with Cuadra Fernández, Cordero Vega and Medié Jiménez?
I don't watch LaLiga123 but these are the referees with dates of birth:
Delete1992 - Oliver de la Fuente Ramos
1990 - Álvaro Moreno Aragón
1989 - Isidro Díaz de Mera Escuderos
1988 - Santiago Varón Aceitón
1987 - Rubén Ávalos Barrera, David Pérez Pallas
1986 - Abraham Domínguez Cervantes, Iñaki Vicandi Garrido
1985 - Saúl Ais Reig, Víctor Areces Franco
1984 - Dámaso Arcediano Monescillo
1983 - Aitor Gorostegui Fernández-Ortega, Javier Iglesias Villanueva, Juan Luis Pulido Santana, Daniel Jesús Trujillo Suárez
1982 - José Antonio López Toca, Luis Mario Milla Alvendiz
1981 - Valentín Pizarro Gómez
1980 - Jorge Figueroa Vázquez, Daniel Ocón Arráiz, Gorka Sagués Oscoz, César Soto Grado
Well, my impression is that the demotion is more likely to be between Iglesias Villanueva, Medié Jiménez or Prieto Iglesias. I didn't notice weak performances by Melero López. I like Prieto Iglesias, but he has made many mistakes this season, IMO. Let's see.
DeleteI'd feel quite sorry for Prieto Iglesias because it would be his second demotion, but not undeserved.
DeleteGeorge, I think Iglesias Villanueva deserved a demotion since years, but IMO he won't be demoted anymore. CTA would rather demote Melero López, Medié Jiménez or Prieto Iglesias, as having above 41 yo, a demotion for Iglesias Villanueva would have signified his authomatic retirement. That's why maybe Trujillo Suárez was demoted, as he still can handle matches in Liga 123.
From Liga123, both Gorostegui Fernández (1983) and Díaz de Mera Escuderos (1989, I've posted some clips here of his performance in Asturian derby in the last weeks) were the "substitutes" for promotion (Idk if this exist on other leagues, the "suplentes" that get promoted because of e.g. an unexpected retirement from a referee of an upper category. Both of them are quite solid referees IMO.
Areces Franco (1985) is one of my favourites so far, and he was a promotion substitute in 2017. Maybe too late for an international career but I want to see him officiating in LaLiga.
Moreno Aragón (1990) I think is also a prospect for becoming FIFA referee, but this is only the 2nd season in Liga123 for him. That's not the case of De la Fuente Ramos (1992) who was only 22yo when he got promoted (2014), but looks like a bit stagnated as he's never officiated a promotion play-off game (although in 2016 was promotion substitute).
Vicandi Garrido could be promoted again but I don't think we'll see him considered for FIFA anymore.
Areces Franco very very good
DeleteAbsolutely excellent Benoît Bastien in the 1st half of a very challenging Lille-PSG. One of the best half for a referee I’ve seen for a long time.
ReplyDeleteBut UEFA is probably right not to appoint him......
The thing i don't understand is to see Bastien as 4th official in a CL Quarterfinal without any KO stage game even in EL round of 32.
DeleteHow is this possible without Marciniak?
ReplyDeleteSimple. Others have been better this season and are more deserving. And whistling a non existent PK doesn't help him either.
DeleteAlberto Undiano Mallenco in Valencia CF v Levante UD (Valencian derby)
ReplyDelete=> Unfortunate card selection. Valencia players felt hard done by Undiano as the (fully correct) opening yellow card was issued to VAL2 in 33' after a long period of dirty play by away team (blatant holding in 18' - lack of at least! public warning - and three consecutive fouls by LEV22 between 26' and 31' for which he was not even warned).
=> After the YC to VAL2, Levante's way of play didn't change - LEV9 and LEV18 were lucky to not be cautioned. Valencia players were really angry at Undiano at the moment.
=> By ignoring these quite justifiable mobbing / protests, Undiano indirectly showed how impartial and cool-headed referee he is. Such today's attitude characterized the style Spaniard presented during the whole career - not players friend, not balancing cards to please players, refereeing what is in front of him, not interested in 'overrefereeing' the game by being a psychologist, manager and analyst more than a person who enforces the LotG.
- Three penalty appeals rejected by the referee (39' alleged illegal use of arm, 59' tackle, 74' holding). As none of them were clear and obvious error, VAR intervention was neither needed nor expected.
Hi guys, it happened in Saudi Arabia. Thoughts? https://streamable.com/iksjj
ReplyDeleteI'd have to say offside. IMO, the attacking player in an offside position interferes with the goalkeeper.
DeleteOffside - IO.
ReplyDeleteClear offside!
ReplyDeletePenalty whistled without any hesitation by Brych, but now he has been invited to rewatch the incident.
ReplyDeleteI think it was a very late whistle.
DeletePenalty given and now OFR
ReplyDeletePenalty to Barcelona cancelled after OFR in Barcelona.
DeleteI'm not sure that this was a clear and obvious mistake by Brych to be honest.
ReplyDeleteMaybe not. But I think no penalty is the right decision in the end.
DeleteI'm with you Chefren.
DeleteEven on the replays I don't see any strong enough evidence to overturn his initial decision.
I actually see the Man U players studs make contact with Rakitic's shin before touching the ball.
Der Verteidiger spielt doch klar den Ball und bleibt dann am Bein von Rakitic hängen
DeletePenalty for me...
ReplyDeleteFor me clear and obvious mistake not to whistle penalty there, defender hits Rakitic first before playing the ball
ReplyDeleteThat's what I see also. Replays only confirm that.They don't show me anything that would make me think that the initial call was wrong.
DeleteBrych changing the decision.
ReplyDeleteI think that VAR in Germany is quite different from the one I see in Italy, consdering also Zwayer game Atlético - Juventus, my sensation is that German officials are deeply focused on what the referee reports to have assessed on the pitch, and not so much on the incident by itself.
ReplyDeleteBecause if we analyze this situation, is not a clear mistake if you ask me.
Correct. The intervention strongly depends on the referee‘s perception on the pitch, which makes sense. VAR is an assistant. He helps the referee on the pitch to rewatch incidents he missed or he had no clear perception at. The referee says what he saw and the VAR compares it with the replays.
DeleteWhen the final decision goes contrary to the video evidence. Then VAR hasn't fulfilled its usefulness. In this case, the images show that there was a foul committed.
DeleteVery late whistle by Brych, I‘m convinced he was not sure. My first impression in real speed was penalty. After the first replays I thought it was rather no penalty. And after the changed decision we saw a perfect replay that showed that there was a contact first. No clear and obvious error, but I think Dankert knew that Brych‘s decision was very late.
ReplyDeleteLate but correct. And the replays proved that his initial decision (late or not) was correct.
DeleteAs soon as i saw it i thought the barca player wrapped his foot around the united defender. Correct decision for me but not sure if clear and obvious mistake.
ReplyDeleteWhat just happened in Barcelona is actually against VAR protocol. It is by no means a clear and obvious mistake and the incident has been assessed by the referee live, it has not gone unnoticed. Maybe what he described is not exactly what happened, but with the current rules, the intervention was wrong. This is very different to what happens in Spain, and IMO, strongly damages VAR implementation.
ReplyDeleteMoving forward, that's going to be problem with VAR. Much like The Laws of the Game are interpreted and used in vastly different ways by different referee's. So will VAR. What is going to prevent this from happening?
DeleteCoordination between FAs and UEFA/FIFA, I hope. But this difference on the threshold is unacceptable.
DeleteDas Protokoll sagt ja klarer Fehler. Den hatten wir ja so nicht, wenn es den Treffer gab. Allerdings ist halt wirklich die Frage was hat Felix gesehen. Wenn er eine komplett falsche Wahrnehmung hatte, dann kann man ihn schon rausgehen, auch lt. Protokoll.
DeleteVAR intervention in Turin: possible missed foul before Juventus goal.
ReplyDeleteOFR was not necessary I think
DeleteI agree, Rainville should have found the "courage" to confirm that goal was regular.
DeleteAlso, Turpin, if I'm not wrong, forgot to make the VAR gesture after having checked the monitor.
When the decision doesn't change it should not be done, should it?
DeleteShouldn't he make this gesture only if he had changed his decision
DeleteI don't know if it is correct but in ligue 1 VAR gesture is only made if you change the original decision
DeleteThe VAR protocol clearly states:" When the review process is completed, the referee MUST show the ‘TV signal’ and communicate the final decision" So he must show the signal always.
DeleteVAR much like the Laws of the Game being used and interpreted however referee's seem fit for their own and not the games benefit
DeleteGoal upheld by Turpin after OFR
ReplyDeleteStrange OFR in Turin. There was a clear push, but it was a player from Ajax who pushed his own mate... Good decision to validate the goal.
ReplyDeletewhat a waste of OFR, how they thought there was anything?
ReplyDeleteNow 1-1 by Ajax possible offside.
ReplyDeleteNever ;-)
DeleteI must say very strange work by the VARs in Turin. At least 2m no offside, but the check lasted two minutes.
ReplyDeleteSpanish broadcast said they were checking a possible handball.
DeleteDutch commentary said that VAR check was for a possible handball (but to be honst also here I don't know where it would have been a handball...)
DeleteOkay, I did not see any handball.
DeleteAccording to the commentary here the OFR was for a possible penalty before the ball went the other way and ajax scored
DeleteMissed YC now for Pogba.
ReplyDeleteI think it‘s ok not to give a YC because the game didn‘t need it. But of course, Pogba has to pay attention now
DeleteAnd now, yet another foul by Pogba. How many more freebies will he get?
DeleteWell, after kicking an opponent 3 times in a row to bring him down, I think that the YC was fully deserved if not mandatory.
DeleteGeorge, he was more than deserving. Also Brych favored the team who committed the foul by not playing advantage.
Delete37th min
ReplyDeletePlay the advantage Brych. The Barca player has shrugged of multiple hacks by Pogba. But if you're going to stop the attack then you favor the defensive guilty player. So if you do whistle, then make things right by booking the Man U player.
Why does AR1 have yellow/red card in his front pocket?
ReplyDeleteIn Turpins game
DeleteWhat's wrong/strange with that? xD
DeleteBecause he is Not going to ref the game if Turpins ger injured?
DeleteBut if Turpin forgot his card/his cards break? ;)
DeleteNot the best refereeing tonight in UCL. In Barcelona and Juventus match some controversial decisions, especially from the VAR. UEFA will not be very happy I suppose..
ReplyDeleteI must say very good Turpin so far. Excellent foul detection, no card, always smiling, accepted by the players, brave enough not to follow his VAR...
ReplyDeleteExcellent !
As for Rainville : VAR intervention was clearly a mistake.
To me wrong both VAR interventions in Barcelona and Turin, no OFR needed. Brych changing decision no reason for that. It looks to me this evening referees are too afraid of making mistakes.
ReplyDeleteI agree! Clear mistake by the VAR and the check for offside took way too long! Was an easy situation. Intervention in Brych match clearly wrong also. That was a clear penalty and how is it possible that Brych cancel the penalty..?
ReplyDeleteExcellent first time of Turpin
ReplyDeleteTurpin is doing a good performance, but because of his VAR this can be the end of his season...
DeleteRelax, he has been the best ref in the CL so far this season imo. Obvious candidate for a semi final. The decisions have been all correct and if proper added time is given we should not be too picky.
DeleteYou forget the importance of VAR for UEFA. This kind of interventions are killing for the project. UEFA will not take a risk with bad VAR's. So either Team Turpin is out or his VAR is out.
DeleteI think VAR has been inconsistent with many officiating teams such as Brych tonight. I think Turpins teams as a whole has been better than almost all other ref teams in the CL.
DeleteHead to head so far tonight. He is the better of two referee's
DeleteNow Turpin with a very open game while everything has been already decided in Barcelona.
ReplyDeleteBarca's greatness giving yet another referee a reprieve. Brych joins Marciniak on the list for this season.
DeleteDo you think? For me it‘s rather a mistake by Dankert. When the OFR is recommended (which is definetly wrong IMO) there are reasons for cancelling the penalty because the defender also played the ball (even only slightly). But if the whole team is evaluated as one team this could be the end for Brych for this international season
DeleteIMO his final decision is not supported by the images. He has initially gotten it right. If Brych was indeed made to question himself by the his VAR. Then any doubt should have gone away seeing the replays.
DeleteYou forget some other good teams in my opinion. Kuipers, Makkelie, Orsato for example. But it's all about the team performance and team Turpin is because of his VAR a weak link now. Same for Brych, what is Dankert doing??
ReplyDeleteVAR's from different countries are coming to UEFA competitions and using the criteria that is used in their home countries. Absolutely no uniformity.
Delete66th min
ReplyDeleteTurpin's AR2 with a wrong offside. Ball clearly comes off of Juventus Emre Can. AR2 hesitated and took for ever to raise his flag and finally wrongly did so. Even after raising it. He looked so unsure of himself. IMO poor teamwork by team Turpin. Referee's should help AR by telling him that last touch of off of defending player
Is it me, or does it seem that now we have - in the end - a lot more correct decisions, we need something else to complain about: the way the are taken.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion there should be more attention to an important game well handled without referee controversies, instead of picking out VAR-details like timing, gestures, etc.
Wrong offside by AR2 a few minutes ago, indeed.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I really like Turpin when he approaches players like he did with Emre Can who was making protests. He doesn't care at all and he shows the card in a very glacial way. This is one of the strong signals of Turpin's development.
Indeed, that was very impressive. Reminded me of Chris Beath the way he did it. Player management has been excellent all evening.
DeleteWith Jueventus possibly going out. Does this open the door for an Italian referee in the UCL Final? I sure do hope so. As the Italians have been the best this season and they have (IMO) the best VAR in Irratti.
ReplyDeleteRosetti, put the trust in your in your fellow countrymen like you have done all season.
A very delayed offside flag by AR2 this time, he correctly waited for the possible goal before reporting it. Good work with VAR.
ReplyDeleteTurpin really needs to use the whistle and show the VAR sign after a VAR decision has been made.
ReplyDeleteWhy? Everything is crystal clear.
DeleteMaybe for proper procedural reasons
DeleteIt’s not clear if you sit 100 meters away in a stadium. He needs to whistle snd do the sign so everyone will know a decision will be shown. Everyone else does that.
DeleteVery true Anonymous
DeleteAjax Goal correctly disallowed for offside, confirmed by VAR check
ReplyDeleteSo far, when some minutes are still missing, I think that apart from the unnecessary VAR intervention, Turpin did well in a challenging game.
ReplyDelete89' very alert Turpin ready to intervene in case of confrontation between players after an incident. Still good signals from the French.
ReplyDeleteThat's going to be a PK
ReplyDeleteWell VAR disagreed
DeleteNever a PK IMO. Too short distance, absolutely not deliberate.
DeleteDistance is really not considered anymore in the new directives. If the ball is expected the arms should be in a natural position and he should not make himself bigger.
DeleteThe final angle showed that it hit the torso/chest first. At best, it then rolled off to the arm, which was tucked at his side. Not a penalty--good from both Turpin to discern so and VAR to confirm it.
DeleteWith the new IFAB decision in regards to handling. Would this be a PK? Or still no PK?
DeleteI believe the new IFAB protocol says if the ball rebound on an other part of the player before it touches the arm, there is no penalty
Delete2 minutes of added time, weird choice there!
ReplyDeleteMistake by TV broadcaster. He gave 3 minutes.
DeleteJuventus out.
ReplyDeleteTeam Rocchi for the 2019 UEFA Champions League Final
Agreed. Very good news for the Italian. It‘s absolutely possible that he‘ll get the final.
DeleteSkomin already appointed for final :)
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DeleteReally liked Turpin tonight. Very good performance.
ReplyDeleteVery good, accepted by the players, and very calm unlike roma-barcelona last year.
DeleteOverall, I saw an excellent Turpin today. Maybe the whole VAR checks were a bit too much/too long, but with such stakes, better be safe than sorry.
ReplyDeleteI didn't like italian broadcast when it was VAR check. They showed replay very late, not like in Barcelona game. Me too for a good game for Turpin. So Kuipers will have an EL semifinal now?
ReplyDeleteNot sure how it was in the other game, but I got the impression that to increase tension for viewers they waited with replays. Only after a VAR decision, replays were shown to detail the decision. This was different in other matches, where replays were already shown during the waiting time for a VAR decision.
DeleteTurpin candidate for UEL final? Or still too early?
ReplyDeletePossible.
DeleteTurpin completely overturn Marciniak and he is now top candidate for EL final.
DeleteTeam Turpin 2019 UEFA Europa League Final
DeleteWith Skomina, now Rocchi is another candidate for CL final.
ReplyDeleteI wonder whether Kuipers will be allowed to handle CL semifinal with Ajax in the othe game.
ReplyDeleteI think he will, particularly if Liverpool go through. He can do leg 1 and then Cakir can do leg 2. Barcelona-Liverpool is a massive tie. There aren't many referees that UEFA will trust with that match. Turpin is the other logical option for me, but would UEFA take that gamble right now?
DeleteI'd say Rocchi and Brych on the other semifinal.
I fully expect Turpin for the possible Liverpool Barca second leg.
DeleteMy SF predictions
DeleteCity/spurs-Ajax Orsato/Skomina
Barca-Liverpool Kuipers/Turpin
Final- Rocchi
Skomina to get final next year as rocchi is closer to retirement
Poor Skomina..
Delete2015
ReplyDeleteMarciniak and Turpin joins the Elite Category.
While the Pole's advance is fully expected by everybody as he has a very long period without mistakes, add to this his personality, the promotion of Frenchman is forced due to EURO 2016 in France, after Lannoy's department. According to many observers, absolutely unjustified at the time.
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Marciniak loves the money from Saudi FA. He is totally exploited. One example of many:
30/03 VAR in Kielce
02/04 VAR in Wroclaw
03/04 REF in Warsaw
05/04 VAR in Legnica
06/04 REF in Cracow
10/04 REF in Czestochowa
12/04 REF in Saudi Arabia
13/04 VAR in Warsaw
It's not strange that he becomes very error-prone, almost every game handled by the Pole ends in controversy. He makes another and another mistake in CL. Of course, one shouldn't forget the obvious lack of help of his best refereeing friend, much pushed by Marciniak himself, Pawel Raczkowski (who has absolutely not strong enough personality to officiate at the very top level, btw).
Turpin handled only one game in Saudi Arabia contrary to thirteen (if Worldfootball counted every game) of Marciniak this season. Turpin handled 19 domestic games this season while Marciniak did - attention, please - 32 domestic games (19 in Poland and 13 in Saudi Arabia).
Turpin, despite the political and unjustified promotion, quickly became one of the very best referees in UEFA. Always fresh, cool-headed, fully focused, alert, firm and calm contrary to still great manager but more and more tired and stressed Marciniak.
I wonder why both the Polish FA and UEFA tolerate Marciniak's overwork. He doesn't handle less game in Poland and he referees almost the same amount of games in Saudi Arabia (in addition being VAR in both competitions).
Someone should stop that!
Greed will ultimately be Marciniak's downfall. What other reason than greed can be given for exploiting himself as he is. Money is a powerful "drug".
DeleteVery interesting facts and great analysis. This explain much about marciniak's recent performances.
DeleteWow, maybe Marciniak has a burnout?
DeletePossible. But who is responsible for that?
DeleteMarciniak himself and his greed are solely responsible for him selling himself to the highest bidder.
DeleteI re-watched now two incidents from Brych's match. Indeed, it was a clear penalty (furthermore Rakitic was injured). Brych's OFR last for 7-8 seconds. He saw the situation only from one angle and made final decision. Very strange for such experienced (also VAR experienced) referee. There is one angle that clearly shows that it was punishable foul. Other situation is in 74 minute: Brych totally missed clear foul (and YC) on Suarez in very dangerous position. I believe he ended his European appearances for this year.
ReplyDeleteIt's the end of Brych as top referee. Arrogant referee who is keen to 'kill' his assistants because of one or two bad games. And Dankert. Why the fuck he recommended OFR?!
DeleteI agree, the time he spent at the monitor was very short. No way possible that he was able to see all the camera angles available to him.
DeleteBut I get the feeling that he was already going to over the monitor doubting himself. Thus the reason why why he delayed his whistle so long. So as soon as he saw anything on the monitor that backed up his doubt he went with it.
He didn't allow himself time to see the reason why he chose to correctly whistle for the PK initially.
The issue with all this is that the observer may see a very good performance and hence another appointment. Last year his AR made mistakes with offside call he was rewarded with another match in the next round, same team, same stadium.. even cakir makes mistakes crucial mustakes like when he blatantly gave atletico a penalty when the foul cleared occurred outside the box. I feel the big and established refs in Europe no matter thier mistakes/performance they get appointed again all because UEFA are not brave enough and stick to the devil we know is better than the angel we know not.. having said this brych will be appointed again
DeleteIm sorry but regardless of if VAR protocol was followed the final call was correct. The barca player instigated the contact. I think this brych hate is blown out of proportion. He is still one of the best uefa refs.
DeleteI'm with Bgymn here if people already didn't know. I think the MU no.17 has position, his body is between Barca no.4 and the ball. Furthermore no.17 gets a (small) touch on the ball and then Barca 4 initiates contact and goes over. Not a clear and obvious error to give a penalty but it was in the end the correct decision not to give a penalty IMO.
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I have a similar example from the A-League in the weekend just gone except the referee did not give a penalty and was called to OFR but stuck by his original decision.
https://streamable.com/79hq3
And that's it everyone, football is a game of opinions and refereeing sometimes even more so. We don't have to force others to accept our opinions nor do we have to accept others opinions as correct. But, what we all should do is be nice to one another and not shoot others down for having a different opinion to their own.
Using your very own video clip that you posted Jackson
Delete1:17-1:22 shows that the Man U player makes contact with Rakitic's shin with the sole of his foot prior to the touch that you correctly see.
I stand by what I posted earlier. Brych did not see all the camera angles that were available to him.
Jackson, I'm sorry but you're either very thin skinned or are adverse to opposing opinions. Because you seem to interpret everything as not nice or as people trying to shut up people.
My view:
DeleteThe ball is reachable for both players, so both of them are entitled to position themselves as they want - therefore, the argument about Rakitić initiating contact is methodologically wrong.
There's no doubt the studs contact with BAR player's shin occurs before the ball is played by MU player. And here it's a question of referee's interpretation: was it careless or was it, due to the small amount of contact, fair?
I think it should be assessed as a careless kick as kicking the leg of an opponent who is about to reach the ball (with the kicked leg) has a strong (unfair) impact on his ability to continue play.
Entitled to your opinion Sheriff as am I to mine. And lets not act like your an angel, you've been called out for your negativity before. And I believe for having multiple profiles to back up your negative opinions.
DeleteJackson, much like when I am on the pitch and I have the whistle in my hand. The way other people perceive me doesn't matter to me. If you see my by the book approach as "negativity". Oh well, it is what it is.
DeleteSo, i`m really disappointed that Juventus left tournament...So, Skomina is out...i feel upset!
ReplyDeleteOne thing, i can do now - i want to wish good luck and easy game for Rocchi on 1 june in Madrid!
Waking up the day after the night before i am still completely surprised. Upfront i was worried about Juventus - Ajax. I am not the biggest fan of Turpin since his match in Rotterdam (Feyenoord-Roma). His look does remind me always of a deer looking in the headlights of an approaching truck. Anxious, nerves, tension, give it a name you find most suitable. But yesterday evening we saw a match with two teams willing to win and willing to avoid a defeat. We saw a match with just two YC. A tense fight but not mean at all. Fair tackles and no harsh ones. Acceptance and respect all over the field between the players.
ReplyDeleteAnd in the middle of it all there was the winner of the evening. Turpin really had a great game. What a big development has he made. I never saw a potential Elite top referee in him. But he proved me wrong. He let the game flow, managed the players with a smile and small chats. He dared to not give a YC to Schöne in the first half which sorted out well. Next to the victory of Ajax this was the biggest surprise of the semis so far for me.
Ok, you can discuss over the OFR. But what if Turpin him self decided to have a look after hearing doubt in his ear so he could "sell" his decision with full acceptance. Like Jarret (i am not sure about the name) did in Australia. Now it was clear, there was no discussion anymore. Ref checked and play on. For me nothing to worry about. A EL final could definitely be a an option for him.
Maybe Anders Frisk have inside information from friends in UEFA Referee Commitee that Rocchi is ALREADY appointed for UCL FINAL? Yesterday, everybody here talks that we ALREADY KNOW AND HAVE referee for final.
ReplyDeletestrange reaction of readers:(
After your words Frisk deleted his coments about Rocchi appointment for Champions league final, hm)
DeleteWe all said Skomina has been appointed for UCL final so what?
Delete"We"? Who is we? Don't include me in your "we".
DeleteTeam Rocchi for the 2019 UCL Final!
Well I would not say Rocchi is now sure for the final, or even Skomina, we will see his performance tomorrow. Regarding Rocchi, I don't think he will get CL final just because he will maybe retire. In past years, UEFA did not care much about rewarding a referee with CL final before the retirement: De Bleeckere, Bo Larsen, Stark, Velasco.
ReplyDeleteYesterday it was the last game as UEFA referee observer for Patrick Kelly (Alan's father).
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/alanrefkelly/status/1118441002862354432
So can you think that uefa observer will be cool with Brych with his last mark ? Hum hum...
DeleteInteresting to see Corriere dello Sport newspaper gave a 4,5 mark to Turpin with this commentary "Arbitra male."
ReplyDeleteCorriere dello Sport is not an objective newspaper. They write very often against referees, just because they want to make readers happy, or convinced that referee had all the faults about a certain result of a team involved.
DeleteThe most reliable (if we can use this term) sport newspaper is La Gazzetta dello Sport. They appreciated the work by Turpin.
However, in an overall context, I must say the officiating of Turpin has been perceived as good, for sure satisfying by the same Juventus fans, so don't care too much about Corriere dello Sport.
In past, they used to write against all international referees just to write against Collina. Now it is quite the same.
The analysis by the "referee expert" reports that in his opinion penalty in 90' was clear (I disagree, at least one can discuss), that the OFR after Juventus goal was wrong (and only about that, one can agree) and then the disciplinary control was quite poor. Here, I disagree, because most important was the overall perception of the officiating and yesterday it was a good one. I repeat again, they are not objective, especially when Italian teams lose a game.
It will be the same for Hategan in case of even small mistakes in Napoli - Arsenal tomorrow, they will start a "battle" against him.
Thank you for the precisions Chefren, I was quite surprised by their point of view.
DeleteAs most as you know. I have no problem at all criticizing a referee or pointing out mistakes. But I can honestly not find anything in regards to Turpin yesterday. If we want to nit pick, then maybe the VAR reviews. But in a way, I'm okay with them. As it possibly helped him "sell" the fact that there was nothing out of the ordinary on either goal.
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