Tuesday, 8 December 2020

Champions League 2020/21 - Discussion - Matchday 6 (I)

Let's discuss here the games to be played on 8 December 2020. 

8 December 2020

18:55 CET - Rome (Stadio Olimpico)
S.S. Lazio (ITA) - Club Brugge (BEL) | Group F
Referee: Cüneyt Çakır (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bahattin Duran (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tarik Ongun (TUR) 
Fourth Official: Hüseyin Göçek (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Abdulkadir Bitigen (TUR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nikolai Ivanov (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Jan Willem Van Dop (NED)

18:55 CET - St. Petersburg (Saint Petersburg Stadium)
Football Club Zenit (RUS) - Borussia Dortmund (GER) | Group F
Referee: István Kovács (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Vasile Florin Marinescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Mihai Ovidiu Artene (ROU)
Fourth Official: Marius Avram (ROU) 
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Elmir Pilav (BIH)
UEFA Delegate: Igor Radojičić (SRB)

21:00 CET - Rennes (Roazhon Park)
Stade Rennais FC (FRA) - Sevilla FC (ESP) | Group E
Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Marcin Boniek (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Jakub Winkler (POL)
Fourth Official: Daniel Stefański (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL) Paweł Raczkowski (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Raczkowski (POL) Benoît Millot (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Hansson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Frédéric Veraghaenne (BEL)

21:00 CET - London (Stamford Bridge)
Chelsea FC (ENG) - FC Krasnodar (RUS) | Group E
Referee: Pavel Královec (CZE)
Assistant Referee 1: Jan Paták (CZE)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomas Mokrusch (CZE)
Fourth Official: Miroslav Zelinka (CZE) 
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Michael Thomas Ross (NIR)
UEFA Delegate: Paolo Rondelli (SMR)

21:00 CET - Kyiv (NSK Olimpiyskiy)
FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) -  Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN) | Group G
Referee: Andreas Ekberg (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Mehmet Culum (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Hallberg (SWE)
Fourth Official: Kristoffer Karlsson (SWE)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Daniel Siebert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Nils Fisketjonn (NOR)

21:00 CET - Barcelona (Camp Nou)
FC Barcelona (ESP) - Juventus (ITA) | Group G
Referee: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Pickel (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Fourth Official: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: René Rohde (GER) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Bertrand Layec (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Marcin Stefański (POL)

21:00 CET - Leipzig (RB Arena)
RB Leipzig (GER) - Manchester United FC (ENG) | Group H
Referee: Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devis (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez del Palomar (ESP)
Fourth Official: Fábio José Costa Veríssimo (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Fritz Stuchlik (AUT) 
UEFA Delegate: Petr Fousek (CZE)

21:00 CET - Paris (Parc des Princes)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - İstanbul Başakşehir FK (TUR) | Group H
Referee: Ovidiu Alin Hațegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Sovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Eugen Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Costantin Coltescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee:  Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Jon Skjervold (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Roland Tis (BEL)
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  1. GO_REF8 December 2020 at 14:53

    FC Barcelona - Juventus
    Back-up VAR team at stadium, ready to intervene in case of need:
    Video Assistant Referee: Luís Miguel Branco Godinho (POR)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee: João Pedro da Silva Pinheiro (POR)

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    1. Philipp S8 December 2020 at 15:44

      So Dankert and Rohde are in Nyon?

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    2. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 16:44

      Yes. This is the 2nd test in Nyon.

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    3. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 18:24

      Interisting appointment in a big and important game.
      Good luck for all 8 referees.

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  2. Stéphanie Monzul8 December 2020 at 17:49

    Raczkowski and Millot are VAR team in Rennes. It seems Marciniak tested positive for COVID.

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    1. YoungRef8 December 2020 at 20:26

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    2. Chefren8 December 2020 at 20:39

      If injury why replacing him also from VAR duties, YoungRef?

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  3. Philipp S8 December 2020 at 17:49

    Raczkowski replaces Marciniak as VAR in Rennes.
    Millot fills in as AVAR.

    Raczkowski also replaces Marciniak in his EL match.

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  4. Unknown8 December 2020 at 17:54

    OT

    Milos Milanovic 27y old new FIFA referee on A list from Serbia. Probably replacing Milos Djordjic.

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    1. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 18:00

      So far, we have seen changes in France, Germany, Greece, Malta, Romania, Serbia. Any other changes?

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    2. wwjd8 December 2020 at 18:10

      What changes

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    3. Quilava8 December 2020 at 19:03

      Changes in UEFA list. I'd be surprised if there are no changes in Denmark, Norway and Israel (countries having referees born in the 70s demoted to Third on summer). Also, is Sweden replacing Strömbergsson?

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  5. Artem8 December 2020 at 18:27

    Pavel Kukuyan (38 years) will be recommended in Fifa list on 2021 year.

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  6. Artem8 December 2020 at 18:29

    It seems he doesn't replace anyone.

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  7. Chefren8 December 2020 at 18:56

    New look for Cakir, he looked like Marciniak...

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  8. M8 December 2020 at 18:58

    Wow, first YC in 1st minute. It was fot sure, just didnt expect from Cakir to show it that early.

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    1. Stéphanie Monzul8 December 2020 at 19:38

      Clear SPA. No real argument to not show it.

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    2. M8 December 2020 at 19:44

      Well someone would say it was 1st foul, 1st minute, and so on...

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    3. Chefren8 December 2020 at 19:50

      But still, Cakir "paid" that by being reluctant in showing a very mandatory YC then in 34' for the same player. It seems as the origin of some problems in refereeing nowadays is the attempt by many referees to keep always players on the pitch. I don't say that a referee must issue always yellow cards, but in front of clear situations no matter that it is still first half, a player must be sent off.
      Missing yellow cards has been in my opinion one of the clear reasons for which Cakir has lost his (very) old form in recent times.

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    4. wwjd8 December 2020 at 20:06

      I don't like the first minute YC it puts the official in a bad position and I didn't think it was a yc worthy foul

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  9. Chefren8 December 2020 at 19:21

    Correct penalty cy Cakir.

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  10. vadim8 December 2020 at 19:23

    Correct penalty by Cakir, but what about YC?

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  11. Chefren8 December 2020 at 19:31

    And now minute 34' late and reckless tackle by a player who was already booked. Also SPA possible argument. I think mistake by Cakir to whistle only foul.

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  12. Forster8 December 2020 at 19:32

    For me, Sobol from Brugge deserved second YC. Late challenge, in somewhat promising position, not even close to the ball.

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  13. Unknown8 December 2020 at 19:36

    Sobol wanted to get a red card from the beginning of the game. True Card.

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  14. Chefren8 December 2020 at 19:40

    It was only a delay of three minutes, however it looked like in 34' Cakir was very aware that he had to book player again. It would have been fully correct. Issuing very early YCs in the game shouldn't influence when a player deserves then to be booked for the second time.

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  15. RefRh8 December 2020 at 20:05

    For me it wouldn't be a clear 2nd YC if Cakir shown it at 34th min because it was not a promising attack or reckless tackle. But it is clear now with the 2nd YC at 37th min.

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    1. Cenyil8 December 2020 at 20:13

      I agree with you. Not a promising attack

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    2. YoungRef8 December 2020 at 22:03

      A very good Cakir game. Correct penalty and RC in the first half. In the second half, the Turkish referee did not make any mistakes and throughout the match all YCs were correct

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  16. Artem8 December 2020 at 20:10

    Looks like wrong offside AR1 on 55' in Saint Petersberg.

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  17. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 20:16

    Difficult to say, supportable decision

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  18. pita falta8 December 2020 at 20:54

    Very good performance by Kovacs. Compliments

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  19. Shuluq8 December 2020 at 20:54

    What about cakir game

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  20. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 20:58

    Excellent first half of Cakir, stained by the ugly mistake of the second yellow not given (useless to climb on the mirrors pretending that the decision of the turk is supportable). Some smudging in the second half, especially in the convulsive final (Correa gets a slap in the face and Cakir whistles foul in favor of Brugge; shortly after a clear handball of Savic not recognized). All in all, a globally discreet game with a crucial mistake, in line with the performance Cakir has accustomed us to in recent years: he remains a great referee, but now many elites are more reliable than him.

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    1. JR8 December 2020 at 21:15

      the handball decision is supportable, as the ball was reflected

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  21. Shuluq8 December 2020 at 21:02

    Not true sir hand ball in savic first the ball goes head then hand that is it second correa foul before he pushes brugge player
    The game overally excellent when we see penaly and red card perfect game for cakir are you agree

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  22. Ref_17078 December 2020 at 21:03

    I will never understand why referees have to wear socks in colours differing from the jersey colour (except black of course). The black-yellow mixture in Rennes looks odd.

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  23. Chefren8 December 2020 at 21:12

    Very soft penalty by Stieler, I would say close to crucial mistake, but VAR should support.

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    1. Referee 128 December 2020 at 21:14

      Very soft, but we have seen them a lot this seson and looks like UEFA is ok with all those soft penalties...

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    2. Ref_17078 December 2020 at 21:14

      I don't get why he decided to give the penalty. Nothing for me and also crucial mistake by Stieler and Dankert – and I say this as a German.

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    3. Mareska8 December 2020 at 21:15

      For sure not penallty
      .. It is normal duel between players as usually.. Big mistake!

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    4. Referee 128 December 2020 at 21:17

      I agree with Chefren herr, there wqs a contact therefore it was ok Dankert did not intervene... But to soft contact to be whistled IMO.

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    5. YoungRef8 December 2020 at 21:51

      Another situation in the Champions League in which a soft penalty is awarded and the VAR does not intervene

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  25. Jackson8 December 2020 at 21:13

    Wow, that penalty in Barcelona is so soft. Isn't this the sort of penalty UEFA is trying to avoid?

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    1. Referee 128 December 2020 at 21:15

      Hehe, based on this season, I would say UEFA is trying to avoid red carda not soft penalties ;)

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    2. RefRh8 December 2020 at 21:16

      All aggree! Unfortunately, Very easy penalty from Stieler.

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  26. RefSoccer34128 December 2020 at 21:14

    For me is no penalty to Juventus, sorry ! Wrong penalty by Stieler. My opinion

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  27. Matio8 December 2020 at 21:15

    IMO No penalty

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  28. Upstylon8 December 2020 at 21:15

    Not convinced by the PK called by Stieler, looked like a rather fair charge with the ball at distance of play. Not enough for VAR intervention though.

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  29. Nole8 December 2020 at 21:15

    Tobias Stieler and his penalties... Again and again... Almost always mistake, even with VAR.

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    1. Andrasch Neunert8 December 2020 at 21:28

      I think so too... It is his problem zone...

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    2. YoungRef8 December 2020 at 21:55

      The beginning of the match and a very controversial decision by Stiler

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  30. Chefren8 December 2020 at 21:17

    Big tension in Paris with racism accuses. Fourth official Coltescu was almost attacked by a player...

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    1. Referee 128 December 2020 at 21:18

      I was right when I said that match needed experienced elite referee - I think Hategan was a good choice by Committee.

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    2. Ref_17078 December 2020 at 21:19

      What is going on there... Much confusion. I never saw something like that.

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    3. Upstylon8 December 2020 at 21:19

      Unbelievable scene. Very difficult situation for Hategan to deal with, especially with pressure coming from both sides.

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    4. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 21:20

      He (Coltescu) indicated to Hategan "that black player" pointing to that player, translated from Romanian. That's what I heard on live.

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  31. GRef8 December 2020 at 21:17

    Play on. No penalty for me.

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  32. Ref8 December 2020 at 21:19

    Coltescu accused of racism by the Turskish staff... to be checked of course, but if it true he must be banished from refereeing.

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  33. Ugur B8 December 2020 at 21:19

    Unbelivable 4th official of Hategan said assistant coach of Basaksehir Pierre Webo - Negro. Unacceptable...

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  34. Chefren8 December 2020 at 21:20

    I must say Coltescu strongly attacked... I still don't understand what exactly happened.

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    1. Ugur B8 December 2020 at 21:22

      Webo (asst. coach) & Demba Ba, strongly insists that he said racist words... Basaksehir team won't continue the match if the 4th referee doesn't leave the pitch.

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    2. Ref_17078 December 2020 at 21:25

      We don't know what happened exactly but in case of accusations concerning racism, I doubt we will see Hategan again this season. Indeed, it could not be him, but UEFA would probably have no chance. Seems like the match will be abandoned.

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  35. Chefren8 December 2020 at 21:23

    This would be very shocking from Coltescu.
    But to be honest, I wouldn't think that a player would have had such a reaction if nothing had happened!
    Game stopped!

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    1. Referee analyst8 December 2020 at 21:29

      Sorry but you are not racist because you said « black guy » for a person who is the only « black person » on the bench. I think Coltescu said that because of fast identification. IMO, « black guy » is not an insult...

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    2. Jackson8 December 2020 at 21:30

      Wow! Just Wow!

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    3. Ugur B8 December 2020 at 21:32

      This is shocking what I heard from Referee Analyst?

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    4. Referee analyst8 December 2020 at 21:38

      This is a very bad communication. But you can’t say that someone is racist because he’s telling « black ». Sorry, but this is a clear overreaction in a contest of Black Lives Matter fired society.

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    5. Jack8 December 2020 at 22:02

      These comments by “referee analyst” must be removed.

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    6. Jack8 December 2020 at 22:03

      Saying “black guy” as an identifier is definitely racist and in addition Coltescu was accused of saying an additional, more grotesque word.

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  36. Upstylon8 December 2020 at 21:24

    Now Turkish players are leaving the field of play! What a mess there....

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  37. Matio8 December 2020 at 21:25

    Possible penalty missed by Stieler ?

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  38. John oxford8 December 2020 at 21:26

    Shame on you coltescu. I cant believe we are seeing racism from referees at this level.

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  39. Chefren8 December 2020 at 21:28

    Very strong reactiion by Turkish team. Something must have happened for sure. I'm really sorry for the Romanian crew.

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  40. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 21:28

    In Romanian “negru” means “black”. An it looks like the 4th official said “this black guy” which is nothing bad but in Romanian it would sound “ tipul acesta negru”. I think it’s a big misunderstanding

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    1. Quilava8 December 2020 at 21:31

      Yeah, but English 'N-word' developed from the romance language form of it.

      In Spanish 'negro' can also be purely descriptive of black person

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    2. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 21:34

      But still, it’s nobody’s fault if the Romanian language has this word. It’s not offensive!

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    3. Referee analyst8 December 2020 at 21:35

      Ok. We have seen replays. Turkish excluded Webo hearded « negru » or in French « negro » is a very insulting term and said « why do you say negro ». Romanian official explained he was speaking in romanian and nothing is racist from this term. Sorry but reactions are overreacted !

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    4. Ugur B8 December 2020 at 21:42

      Romanian referee is not refereeing in Romania. It is CL game and he must respect everyone on that field. In Turkish we have a saying "his excuse is worse than his fault".

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    5. Referee analyst8 December 2020 at 21:48

      This isn’t excuse but reality. That’s a big difference.

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    6. GRef8 December 2020 at 21:50

      Cant agree. Referees speak in their language. No respect or lack of understanding from turkish. If he really explained that then i dont accept this reaction.

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    7. Ugur B8 December 2020 at 21:55

      Does he need to mention colour of his skin?

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    8. Jack8 December 2020 at 22:06

      Coltescu shouldn’t have even mentioned the player’s skin color to begin with. And on top of that, of course, this is a literate UEFA official who could have used the player’s name or even number to address him. Clearly a racist incident by Coltescu, and it seems as if Hategan had no clue what transpired.

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  41. petschovschi8 December 2020 at 21:29

    This is the last international game for Coltescu. He was already replaced from FIFA list by romanian referee committee.

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  42. Forster8 December 2020 at 21:29

    Correct PK for Chelsea by Kralovec.

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  43. Quilava8 December 2020 at 21:30

    What a farewelo from international refereeing for Coltescu, lol.

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  44. Daniel G8 December 2020 at 21:30

    Guys, the word "negro" in Romanian means "black". Can't understand why this simply explanation isn't accepted by the players and coaches.
    For example, "black lives matter" in Romanian sounds like "viețile negre contează". So excuse me, but IMO the 4th ref can't be blamed.

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    1. Chefren8 December 2020 at 21:32

      Before thinking about that, why referee should call a player based on the color of his skin? That's really shocking!

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    2. Hans8 December 2020 at 21:34

      If you don't know the impact of the word negro worldwide you are not suited to officiated

      Also there is not any need to call a player by his colour. Of this is white, Black or purple

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    3. Quilava8 December 2020 at 21:35

      Well, I find it a bit 'ugly', you better call him based on his name or shirt number. But still I think it's gone out of hand.

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    4. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 21:36

      Oh come on Chefren. Shocking is too harsh!
      It’s a language and negru in Romanian is not offensive at all. Full stop

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    5. Ugur B8 December 2020 at 21:43

      We are not playing in Romania. This is CL.

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    6. Jackson8 December 2020 at 21:57

      Chefren! If you watch the video, the fourth official is trying to call the referee over to red card a substitute. The substitutes are all wrapped up in the same jackets with no numbers visible. He had to describe the substitute somehow for the referee to identify the correct person. Maybe he should have said that dark player instead of that black player but this is no reason for the team to refuse to play! Big misunderstanding.

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    7. Daniel G8 December 2020 at 22:03

      So, Cakir's team should not be able to communicate in Turkish and Kuipers' - in Dutch?
      Don't be ridiculous.

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  45. grumpy-ref8 December 2020 at 21:30

    what happens in paris???

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  46. Hans8 December 2020 at 21:31

    Paris bench confirmed racist wordt. This is by far this year the most shocking event in the world of refeering. Sad day...

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  47. petschovschi8 December 2020 at 21:32

    In romanian language "negru" means "black". This is not a racist word in romanian language.

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    1. Unknown8 December 2020 at 21:35

      But Webo is not Romanian..

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    2. Ugur B8 December 2020 at 21:39

      An intl referee should be very picky about his words...

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    3. Referee analyst8 December 2020 at 21:43

      Agree with you Ugur. I will be completely if players don’t say homophobic words 100 times during a match. Stop hypocrite position. They aren’t not exemples. Very poor communication by Coltescu by stop to kill him for nothing.

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  48. Ref_17078 December 2020 at 21:32

    Very clear offside missed by AR1 in Leipzig. Lack of concentration. VAR with a correct intervention.

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  49. John oxford8 December 2020 at 21:33

    How can a referee call ‘negro’ to a coach? How can uefa didn’t check the extremist political orientation of referees? Unbeliveable. And all that anti-racist ads from uefa is just a bubble burst.

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  50. Cenyil8 December 2020 at 21:33

    It's really bad to be faced with such a picture. Shocking from Coltescu. Racism is not acceptable.

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  51. Ugur B8 December 2020 at 21:35

    It might be a problem of Romanian to English but as a referee you should be very careful selecting your words, especially if you are an international FIFA referee. He can call Hategan and point out the person without using the word...

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    1. Quilava8 December 2020 at 21:36

      I agree, he could have used his name or his shirt number.

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    2. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 21:37

      Maybe he didn’t know his name and Ba was with long sweatshirt and suit

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    3. Ugur B8 December 2020 at 21:37

      Quilava, as he is asst coach, he can just point him. No need to use single word.

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    4. Quilava8 December 2020 at 21:39

      @Ugur B I thought he was pointing out to Demba Ba instead of Webó.

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    5. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 21:42

      @Ugur, for some cultures it’s extremely offensive to point to a person. Should we care also about this?

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    6. Ugur B8 December 2020 at 21:45

      @Anonymous - by pointing I mean showing by hand...

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  52. Andrasch Neunert8 December 2020 at 21:35

    Before judging we should here all sides being part of the scandal in Paris, but it really seems to be an incident of racism by an official... Shocking.

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  53. Ref_17078 December 2020 at 21:37

    Whatever the outcome in Paris will be, whether it is a misunderstanding or not, Hategan's hopes for a final were vanished in seconds. Very difficult for everyone in the stadium.

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    1. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 21:38

      He couldn’t do anything.

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    2. bingo118 December 2020 at 21:44

      He gave a red card for a completely understandable reaction. Huge mistake.

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    3. Ref_17078 December 2020 at 21:44

      Of course he couldn't. I'm very sad for him, but let's be realistic: One will remember the incident as 'part of his match'.

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  54. Ref8 December 2020 at 21:37

    If confirmed, shame on Coltescu. Absolutely unbelievable and revolting.

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    1. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 21:40

      What would be unbelievable and revolting? Can’t he speak his own language?

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    2. Cien8 December 2020 at 21:44

      He was on the bench with jacket on him.

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    3. Referee analyst8 December 2020 at 21:45

      You have the typical « indigenist » reaction with lot of drama from a misunderstanding communication.

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  55. RefSoccer34128 December 2020 at 21:38

    Shocking and very bad evening for Romanian Referee Team.

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  56. petschovschi8 December 2020 at 21:38

    Guys, very probable Coltescu talked in romanian with Hategan (via audio kit) and used the word "negru".

    In romanian language "negru" is not a racist word. It's an official word. It doesn't mean "nigger" or "negro".

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    1. Quilava8 December 2020 at 21:41

      I understand cause I'm Spanish and also 'negro' can be purely descriptive, but anyway big mistake and especially evitable from him and specially regarding Hategan!

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    2. Cien8 December 2020 at 21:43

      I agree with this. He just pointed that guy. He didn't insult him or something. Everyone should know that every language is different.

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  57. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 21:40

    I really hope UEFA will back the 4th official and explain the misunderstanding caused by the usage of his own language. Negru is not offensive in Romanian and this was an overreaction by the players

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  58. Referee 128 December 2020 at 21:40

    I am sure comunication between referees will be listned and UEFA will make a statement very soon.

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  59. Chefren8 December 2020 at 21:41

    There are names, surnames, numbers of the shirt. I still think that if a referee uses such language at this international level, doesn't deserve to be there, sorry.

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    1. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 21:45

      Chefren, please, stop. Also in english “black” is not offensive! Why should “negru” be offensive? Ba was wearing long sleeves, jumper, hat. He did not recognise him, that’s all.

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    2. Referee analyst8 December 2020 at 21:46

      Agree Chefren. But we cannot say « racism »here. Just be fair. Poor communication yes.

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    3. Michael8 December 2020 at 21:51

      None of which are available to use if you're sending off a member of the coaching staff who are all dressed in the same dark green jackets...

      But of course the fourth official should just have pointed the offender out to the referee, which he did anyway.

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    4. Jackson8 December 2020 at 22:00

      Come on Chefren. There were no numbers available. Everyone is dressed the same. You have to describe the person to the referee somehow.

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  60. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 21:44

    It's confirmed that he has used negru in romanian language to indicate the player and this is unacceptable
    https://twitter.com/FUT21News/status/1336408047812567048?s=20

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    1. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 21:46

      Why is it unacceptable? It’s not offensive in Romanian!

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    2. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 21:51

      Demba has explained very well if you are still unclear. Im agree that he has no intention to insult Demba but its offensive to indicate someone by the color. Do you say, hey you white boy?

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    3. Ugur B8 December 2020 at 21:53

      Why do you need to mention a person in colour of his skin? Doesn't matter of language. Shame...

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    4. Referee analyst8 December 2020 at 22:02

      That’s the matter. Webo is from Cameroon. In French, negro is the term for « nigger » and a very racist term. Do we can understand his reaction and speak about verbal very very huge mistake. But not racism here.

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  61. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 21:46

    The Romanian association had already withdrawn from the FIFA jury.

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  62. Ref_17078 December 2020 at 21:47

    Unfortunately, it's 'the old Mateu Lahoz' in Leipzig. Too hectical, not calming the match down. Many YCs in a rather fair match.

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    1. Andrasch Neunert8 December 2020 at 21:48

      Big drama... Ugly to watch. I hoped he had learned, but that...

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  63. Ref8 December 2020 at 21:47

    There are shocking comments here on the blog. @Referee analyst you are my countryman but I can’t accept what you say, sorry.

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    1. Referee analyst8 December 2020 at 21:53

      You are not here to categorize what comments are shocking or not. Our opinion is different. As usual, « anti-racists » are the best to tell someone what is good and what is unfair in this world. I respect your opinion. You can disagree mine. But not as my father or a judge.

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  64. Chefren8 December 2020 at 21:48

    I missed everything in the other games to follow Paris events.
    It seems as Stieler had many doutboul situations and his performance so far hasn't been the best.

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    1. Referee 128 December 2020 at 21:53

      That penalty was to soft but it will be suported by UEFA. Other situations were ok IMO including that last situation when Barca asked for penalty on Messi. VAR checked it, for me no penalty was ok.

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    2. Ref_17078 December 2020 at 21:55

      Match in Paris seems to restart in ten minutes. Are VAR and AVAR in Paris? Maybe they can switch roles. I can't imagine that Coltescu will come back as he has no authority anymore.
      From what I have seen, Stieler not with his best performance. The early penalty was clearly wrong, but well, I'm sure he won't be in focus. Everyone is concerned about what happened in Paris.

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    3. Philipp S8 December 2020 at 21:57

      Yes, I agree. Also the handball penalty appeal mentioned above (~25') was decided correctly, I think.
      Match is quite challenging and he has to fight for acceptance. However he uses his strengthes in communication and management to succeed in that.

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    4. Referee 128 December 2020 at 21:58

      +1 on Philipp S comment ;)

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  65. Matio8 December 2020 at 21:48

    No good First half by Stieler

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  66. Unknown8 December 2020 at 21:50

    Whole incident

    https://mobile.twitter.com/mauriciob91/status/1336410013343117312

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  67. Bgymn8 December 2020 at 21:52

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    1. Unknown8 December 2020 at 21:52

      Why Hategans? That was mistake from 4th official not him IMO

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    2. Chiagozie8 December 2020 at 22:03

      Why Hategan, he has nothing to do there. As a black person from Nigeria to be precise, the 4th official had no intention of being racist to be clear but by addressing a player by black or anybody in the world is the type of systematic racism we are fighting against. You shouldn't use the color of a human to describe him. You do not go about calling all player on the field white boy.. it is something most people do and that is systemic racism, you do not know you are even doing it. When UEFA prides itself around RESPECT the forth official showed no respect whatever

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  68. George8 December 2020 at 21:52

    Not the best first half by Mateu Lahoz. AR1 with an important mistake in a situation with two touches and a rebound on the post. One wrong foul and a wrong corner kick. Very attentive regarding situations inside the penalty area, though.

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  69. petschovschi8 December 2020 at 21:52

    @CHEFREN

    The player was on bench. He was not dressed in shirt. Coltescu couldn't see his number.

    That word is not racist and was used for identification of the player !!!!

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  70. Chefren8 December 2020 at 21:53

    Webo said something like: "You don't say white guy so why you say black guy to me?"

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    1. Whistle28 December 2020 at 21:54

      After that he said ,,You said black guy but you have to said this black guy"

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    2. Whistle28 December 2020 at 21:55

      https://twitter.com/MEDIOVON/status/1336409233609416705?s=09

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    3. petschovschi8 December 2020 at 21:56

      This is racism ? I think not. Maybe Webo was between some white players and was easier to indicate to Hategan with the word "black".

      Honestly, this is not racism. It's stupid behaviour from turkish team !!!

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    4. Chefren8 December 2020 at 22:00

      @petschovschi, in my opinion it is absolutely unacceptable to call a player / team official by the color of his skin. You can say that for Coltescu there wasn't any offense by using that term, OK, but you can't oblige the recipient of the message to accept that. A fourth official should absolutely be very far away from that language, I don't remember that something similar happened in Champions League in recent times. Given the reactionof Turkish team, it is impossible to say "nothing happened". You can't control people's feelings. You can talk to me and I answer to you: big mistake in any case by Coltescu.

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    5. John oxford8 December 2020 at 22:00

      How its not racis: to say ‘negro’? In which world do you live? This is pure racism. Letsnot decieve each other. You have to condemn him instead of legitimize his disgraceful behaviour.

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  71. Bgymn8 December 2020 at 21:53

    Im afraid this might be the end of Hategan and his crews career. Such a promising ref tarnished by actions of fourth official. Dont think UEFA will give him big match again.

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    1. Unknown8 December 2020 at 21:54

      Why Hategans? That was mistake from 4th official not him IMO

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    2. bingo118 December 2020 at 21:55

      He gives a red card for a completely understandable reaction

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  72. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 21:55

    Is here someone from Romania? Is the word 'negro' is offensive and disrespectful in romanian language?

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    1. petschovschi8 December 2020 at 21:58

      It's "negru" not "negro" and means "black". It's not disrepectful. It's not a racist word in our language.

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    2. Marco8 December 2020 at 21:58

      Not at all, like also in Spanish or Portoguese

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    3. Cien8 December 2020 at 21:59

      No, it's not an offensive or disrespectful word. Wrong words for Coltescu, but it wasn't offensive.

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  73. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 21:55

    I don't believe for a second it was racist comment but instead extremely stupid. In a (over) sensible enviroment of the 21st century that kind of comments are just very foolish.

    I think only pointing at him would have been enough instead of refering to his skincolour, which should never be done

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  74. peterszky8 December 2020 at 21:55

    Dinamo - Ferencvaros, 21', no VAR (why?)

    https://imgur.com/GyO9Y5B

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    1. Chefren8 December 2020 at 21:57

      Maybe outside the box?

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    2. peterszky8 December 2020 at 21:59

      From other camera views I think it was inside.

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    3. Philipp S8 December 2020 at 22:03

      Borderline decision, but IMO can be justified, because arm is in a natural position - and then the defender tries to pull it away.

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  75. Marco8 December 2020 at 21:57

    What if the referees were Turkish and used “ bu siyah adam” or Polish using “ ten czarny facet”? Nobody would’ve cared! Here there is a huge overreaction only because “negru” which in Romanian is absolutely NOT offensive sounds like awful words.
    For sure, bad communications but don’t call it racism, please. There are harder battles to fight for, this is an unlucky misunderstanding

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  76. Hans8 December 2020 at 21:58

    Mentioned on dutch TV. Hategan was also referee in 2013 CSKA - City when he refused to follow UEFA protocol (suspending game) after racist chants to Yaya Toure

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    1. petschovschi8 December 2020 at 22:01

      Not true. Hategan insisted for the protocol but the UEFA stadium officer refused to do it !!!! Hategan was dismissed by any charge than.

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  77. Philipp S8 December 2020 at 21:59

    Penalty by Kralovec rather soft, because the defender had his leg already in a natural position and the attacker ran against it. Probably still supportable though.

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  78. Ref8 December 2020 at 21:59

    Poor Hategan... He has nothing to do with that and if the game resumes it will probably be very challenging...

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  79. superstar01108 December 2020 at 22:00

    Support to Ovidiu Hategan and his team! How should Coltescu identify him?

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    1. petschovschi8 December 2020 at 22:03

      100% agree. He couldn't see his number because he was not in jersey. Webo had also a hat on his head.

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    2. Michael8 December 2020 at 22:03

      Probably best to keep the defining characteristic in his mind and point to the offender instead of speaking it.

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  80. Philipp S8 December 2020 at 22:01

    Possible foul (impeding) in the APP before the 0-2 goal by Sevilla. Looked like a deliberate action, but maybe there is room for interpretation and no foul can be supported.

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  81. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 22:01

    If UEFA ban the fourth official, they will they will accept that to be with dark color of skin is something bad. All people are equal but with different colors of skin or hair for example. If the ref call someone the blond guy it will not be a problem, it's the same if you call someone black guy in romanian. It's not racism. So here's a big misunderstanding. For me black guy or white guy is equal, always a human being. So I don't think it's offensive. Maybe for the ref is the same.

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  82. Ref_17078 December 2020 at 22:02

    According to German TV, Coltescu will be replaced. Maybe by AVAR?

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  83. Anonymous8 December 2020 at 22:02

    The full dialogue between the refs: 'The black guy over there. Go and check who he is. The black one over there, it's not poasible to act like that'

    This is not racism. Stupid, not racist

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    1. Unknown8 December 2020 at 22:05

      Why is it not called "The white guy over there" for white football players?

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  84. xabi8 December 2020 at 22:04

    Support to Hategan!!!

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  85. Keyser Soze8 December 2020 at 22:06

    You know what is ironic? If Colțescu would have said ”cioroi” or ”cioară” (lit. translation means ”crow”), no one would have had a problem - despite this term being far more racist and disrespectful in Romanian language.

    As someone said above very well, Colțescu was not racist, but just extremely stupid. Using the word ”negru”, which does not have a negative connotation in Romanian, can be easily be misheard as ”negro” and further misinterpreted and deemed as a racist remark.



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