Sunday 9 December 2018
2018 Copa Libertadores Final: Boca Juniors - River Plate, second leg (Discussion)
Andrés Cunha from Uruguay has been appointed by CONMEBOL to handle the second leg of 2018 Copa Libertadores final, River Plate - Boca Juniors.
This is the full appointment for the second leg of Argentinian Superclásico:
We wish good luck to officiating crew!
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With WC and CL finals,this for sure is one of the most important match this year.
ReplyDeleteBig honor and big responsibility for Cunha.
I believe it has been a great year for him with WC semi-final too
DeleteNot too difficult a game for Don Robertson at Hamilton v Celtic, but he somehow missed this handball in the box after 2 minutes: https://twitter.com/gibbogibby1/status/1066310519575977984
ReplyDeleteStill not as obvious as this https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2392266107498957&id=309369765788612&ref=bookmarks
ReplyDeleteWhat league is this? Please tell me that it's not one of Clatt's "hired mercenaries" in Saudi Arabia.
DeleteIt was a great save by the GK though Lol ;)
I have no idea haha. I found the clip in a forum
DeleteAh okay
DeleteIt's Egyptian league.
DeleteKick-off is delayed for (at least) one hour after an attack on Boca's team bus.
ReplyDeleteWell , unfortunately that wasnt unexpected.
DeleteI hope it's still played today.
DeleteIf that's the case, more time to watch Gil Manzano in Atlético-Barcelona.
FIFA President Gianni Infantino is actually inside the Rive PLate Stadium. And is partaking in the meetings that are currently being held to determine if the game will actually be played today.
DeleteOn a side note. What a way to introduce the FIFA President to what CONMEBOL is like.
Based on what was announced to all those inside the River Plate Stadium. The game will be played today at 19:15 hours local time. So kick off in about 1 hour and 25 minutes.
ReplyDeleteWell, they can play tonight (1h and 15' of delay) but I think the real match to determine the winner won't be on the field but on CONMEBOL headquarters.
ReplyDeleteThis decision is an utter shame. Boca's bus was attacked. Windows were broken. Player's were affected. For the FIFA President Infantino to be complicit in this decision is a DISGRACE!
ReplyDeleteThese circumstances and these decisions make an already difficult situation that much more difficult for Cunha and his crew.
ReplyDeleteSure!
DeleteOT:Now Jesus Gil is also having challenging match.
ReplyDeleteSome YC's missed,allowing too much talking.
Boca players are being interviewed and they all say that they are not physically, mentally or emotionally prepared or capable to play such an important match. They are literally saying "CONMEBOL is forcing us to play" to include the FIFA President.
ReplyDeleteDecision to play the game today is simply scandalous.
ReplyDeleteTotally agreed, disgraceful attacks of the Boca bus and players and a disgraceful decision to force Boca to play this game tonight...
DeleteProblem is FIFA and Infantino know they can get away with this, it needs Boca to take a stand by either refusing to start the match or just take a seat in the middle of the pitch.
DeleteIf the game is played, it could be a nightmare for Cunha. FIFA should have more respect towards players and the ref, everything is not about money...
ReplyDeleteThe people who make the decisions poured more fuel on an already hot and volatile situation. Best of luck to Cunha and his crew. Because this match can easily turn into a nightmarish situation.
DeleteReports are that Cunha and his team are warming up.
ReplyDeleteSo it looks like game will be played.
Yes, they were on the field about 5-10 minutes ago trotting and stretching.
DeletePut off until tomorrow, apparently.
ReplyDeleteMy God...
Yep...
DeleteI didn't follow what happened yesterday.
ReplyDeleteMy opinion is that CONMEBOL has big problems. They should think to solve them before making any other action. This game should be annulled and the title of Copa Libertadores not assigned. What happened is definitely unacceptable. I really don't understand how it was possible to confirm the kick off after what had happened: this was a very shocking decision by CONMEBOL. I think that this confederation has a clear lack of coordination between all the members and the head.
It is simply absurd that the president writes a solidarity tweet but the same organization wanted to play the game despite of what had happened.
Imho this should be River- Boca 0-3 and Libertadores to Boca. Simply as that. What happened is unacceptable. This kind of actions must be punished very harsh.
DeletePS today Boca is forced to play without capitan Perez who in not in condition to play (because of an a eye problem). It seems the game can't be played in the next days because Buenos Aires will host the G-20 summit and the police forces will be unavailable (for a football game)
Boca asked for annulling the game. What is going to happen?
ReplyDeleteDo you think the match will be played?
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ReplyDeleteMatch suspended, again.
ReplyDeleteShocking organization by CONMEBOL... I think this match will never be played.
ReplyDeleteThe plan is now to play outside Argentina. Genoa (ITA) and Belo Horizonte (BRA) are said to be interested.
ReplyDeleteLooks like the host will be the Santiago Bernabéu, in Madrid.
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/CONMEBOL/status/1071490587424112640
ReplyDeleteCunha last training with CONMEBOL staff making some tests in Spanish VAR room.
Dundee v Rangers - RC for SFP? https://streamable.com/t5muz
ReplyDeleteYes. Leg straight, bottom of foot makes contact ankle/up at decently high intensity.
DeletePretty straightforward SFP.
Excellent work by the referee to ensure the location of the offence.
Some photos from Saudi Arabia. Néstor Pitana whistled the Riyadh derby Al-Ahli v An-Nassr.
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/saudiFF/status/1071360708460322816
https://twitter.com/saudiFF/status/1071366374629523457
UEFA Elite Referees are not good enough for this top clash - needs to be the WC final referee. ;)
DeleteMauricio Espinosa will retire after this game.
ReplyDeleteFiery start for Cunha.
ReplyDeleteYC for Ponzio, a lot of pressure for Cunha, surrounded by around 6-7 players.
ReplyDeleteI don't like this way of issuing a YC, with that frenetic gesture.
DeleteSomething usual and expected for Southamerican referees :)
DeleteYC for Pérez, very close to SFP, if it isn't.
ReplyDeleteI think SFP, but a player obstructs our view in a decisive replay :D
Delete45+2'
ReplyDeleteThe spirit of Felix Brich entered the body of Cunha and whistled the end of the first half, not allowing Boca to take the corner kick :)
River Plate, not Boca
DeleteSo far challenging match,I cant imagine what challenging 2nd half Cunha will have.
ReplyDeleteReal masterclass from Cunha in managing players in that 1H. Surely he is one of the most flexible referees in the world on a high level, also his fitness is excellent.
ReplyDeleteAlthough SFP was absolutely in sight for the Pérez on Pérez tackle... For me though, not enough for an OFR in this Final, Cunha did seem not to even assess the tackle on a perception level though.
Sorry but IMO this is not even close to good managment.
DeleteSimply, Cunha is not that referee who has sofisticated managment skills. His gestures and body language are not confident, clear and authoritative and that's something good manager should have.
Lack of charisma is Cunha's main problem IMO but this is only my honest opinion which could be wrong.
This match is definitely very hard to manage, many top referees would struggle here.
DeleteIMO, this should be a PK...
ReplyDeleteIFK, at the end.
DeleteIt is a clear penalty to River, VAR should invite referee to rewatch.
ReplyDeleteFor me, this was a clear PK, since atacker played the ball last, a GK just smashed into him.
DeleteVideo?
Deletehttps://twitter.com/reinerkuhn1982/status/1071872725877166080
DeleteNever IFK, Penalty.
DeleteUuuh, ifk in the end. Crazy VAR
ReplyDeleteWell, indirect free kick to defender is a supportable choice, the raised leg was a dangerous play against the keeper. Very rare to be whistled today. Direct free kick to defender would have been the big mistake there.
ReplyDeleteNo doubt: PK! I really don't understand why VAR didn't intervene here?! Attacker played the ball and goalkeeper smashed the attacker. How can we justify an IDF to the GK...
ReplyDeleteNow again IFK in favour of Boca.
ReplyDeleteAnother indirect free kick now, again for dangerous play.
ReplyDeleteSorry but IDF now inside PA for reckless challenge? This is not dangerous play like high leg or low heading. Referee's and VAR are failing in my eyes. This is not acceptable.
ReplyDeleteI have never saw something like this in my whole life
Delete80' wrong DF, totally missed original high kick. Resulted with YC.
ReplyDeleteThat should have been an IFK.
DeleteWhat a challenge from River #2...
ReplyDeleteVAR and Ref had all time in the world to make the right call, while the GK was injured, and they failed. After that the game was not the same.
ReplyDeleteAnother SFP converted in reckless challenge. I must say, technically very poor by Cunha this evening.
ReplyDeleteAgree. Studs in leg, clear stomp.
Delete2nd YC for Barrios.
ReplyDeleteIt's a really difficult match with many challenges which could be decided in both ways.
ReplyDeleteFor me PK would be the best decision but is the IFK completely wrong? For me not. That could be as well the reason for the VAR for not intervening but personally I would like to see him checking this by himself.
The second YC was a stonewall YC.
With some some mistakes, but I've liked Cunha's performance today. Very difficult match. I like his style. Congratulations
ReplyDeleteI agree, in my (minority) opinion Cunha did even really well in this impossible match.
DeleteI'll write more detailed words tomorrow.
Well, I didn't like his performance in terms of disciplinary assessment, but at least his surname won't be on the headlines tomorrow, and IMO this is more important.
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DeleteI agree with Mikael, it was a good performance for my taste. Andrés managed to mantain control, players respected him, even though there were many talks. We cannot compare apple to oranges, Latin football is completely different from European. The big picture is for sure good!
DeleteRegarding big calls:
1) The stamp in the first half was really borderline to SFP but if we carefully watch the replay, we can see that the player quickly removed studs from an opponent's leg, it's a sign of stamp being undeliberate. A red card would not have been wrong, far from that, but we are talking about the final game... I think that having all the background in mind, the YC was optimal decision.
2) I accept the decision to whistle a foul on a goalkeeper in the second half and it's fully correct to give an IDFK for dangerous play in the second box. More consistency should follow two minutes later when dangerous play was missed and River Plate player booked for dissent.
3) The second YC to Barríos easily could have been a straight red but who cares if that's the second yellow.
At the end, I would like to see more minutes added. Some free kicks close to the boxes lasted even two-three minutes!
Stamp, reckless v SFP?
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/7h494
Penalty incident, attacker's or goalkeeper's foul?
https://streamable.com/i3tw2
Correct indirect free kick in the box for dangerous play
https://streamable.com/br5er
The way the players surround the referee is ridiculous and should be punished.
ReplyDeleteIMO excellent performance for Cunha! Great "no PK situation" with goalkeeper. Very wise free-kick inside PA decision, elegant red card, bright card issuing, extreme physics. Ideally! Who supports me?
ReplyDeleteMe. I agree that his decisions were optimal for that game. His refereeing was very, very intelligent.
Delete+1
DeleteCunha showed to be one of the top class referees in the world last night. I wonder if some people have too Euro-centric prescriptivist attitude (not intentionally defaming of course); Vlad hit the nail with "we cannot compare apples to oranges".
I see Uruguayan as more sophisticated than any other CONMEBOL referee, even Pitana.
And to think if Dario Ubriaco passed the CA 2015 fitness test, probably Cunha would never even have come under the focus...