Wednesday 12 December 2018

Champions League 2018/19 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 6 (II)

The following officials will be in charge of Wednesday's Champions League MD6 games.  Thanks to H_demboveac on twitter for the appointments. 
Group G
12 December 2018, 18:55 CET - Madrid (Estadio Santiago Bernabéu)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - PFC CSKA Moskva (RUS)
Referee: Artur Manuel Ribeiro Soares Dias (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Rui Licínio Barbosa Tavares (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Paulo Alexandre dos Santos Soares (POR)
Fourth Official: Bruno Miguel de Campos Rodrigues (POR)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Hugo Filipe Ferreira de Campos Moreira Miguel (POR)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: João Pedro da Silva Pinheiro (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kaj Østergaard (DEN)
UEFA Delegate: Wolfgang Thierrichter (AUT)

Group G
12 December 2018, 18:55 CET - Plzeň (Doosan Arena)
FC Viktoria Plzeň (CZE) - AS Roma (ITA)
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: Stephen Child (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Martin Atkinson (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Frank De Bleeckere (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Velid Imamović (BIH)

Group E
12 December 2018, 21:00 CET - Amsterdam (Johan Cruijff ArenA)
AFC Ajax (NED) - FC Bayern München (GER)
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Bertrand Jouannaud (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Rainville (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Karim Abed (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Antonov (MDA)
UEFA Delegate: Sviatlana Hrynkievič (BLR)

Group E
12 December 2018, 21:00 CET - Lisbon (Estádio do SL Benfica)
SL Benfica (POR) - AEK Athens FC (GRE)
Referee: Robert Madden (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Alastair Mather (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: Sean Carr (SCO)
Fourth Official: David Roome (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Donald Robertson (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Alan Muir (SCO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Ariel Kenneth Scheiman (ISR)

Group F
12 December 2018, 21:00 CET - Kyiv (Natsionalnyy Sportyvnyy Kompleks "Olimpiys'kyy")
FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) - Olympique Lyonnais (FRA)
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Mario Diks (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Dennis Johan Higler (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Pol van Boekel (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Dušan Krchňák (SVK)
UEFA Delegate: Scott Struthers (SCO)

Group F
12 December 2018, 21:00 CET - Manchester (Etihad Stadium)
Manchester City FC (ENG) - TSG 1899 Hoffenheim (GER)
Referee: Andreas Ekberg (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Mehmet Culum (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Hallberg (SWE)
Fourth Official: Fredrik Klyver (SWE)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Kristoffer Karlsson (SWE)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Glenn Nyberg (SWE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alfredo Trentalange (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Peter Lundström (FIN)

Group H
12 December 2018, 21:00 CET - Berne (Stade de Suisse Wankdorf)
BSC Young Boys (SUI) - Juventus FC (ITA)
Referee: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Pickel (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan Seidel (GER)
Fourth Official: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Harm Osmers (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Liba (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Petr Fousek (CZE)

Group H
12 December 2018, 21:00 CET - València (Mestalla, Camp del València)
Valencia CF (ESP) - Manchester United FC (ENG)
Referee: Georgi Kabakov (BUL)
Assistant Referee 1: Martin Margaritov (BUL)
Assistant Referee 2: Diyan Valkov (BUL)
Fourth Official: Georgi Todorov (BUL)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Nikola Popov (BUL)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Stanislav Todorov (BUL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Rune Pedersen (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Targo Kaldoja (EST) 
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140 comments:

  1. Sviat M10 December 2018 at 10:31

    Kuipers and Skomina with two decesive games. The last chance for Slovenian to show his best and, finally, to get UCL final.

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  2. Chefren10 December 2018 at 10:40

    Kuipers with a decisive game, very good that his injury was nothing serious. Debuts for Kabakov and Ekberg, the latter will be observed by Trentalange. Stieler back in CL after one year in a rather not so much important game. Madden with his second CL game after the debut.
    Turpin gets the third game, missed earlier due to an injury, in this case game importance is not that relevant.
    Taylor match is important only for home-team and EL qualification.
    The big question is about Soares Dias: what happened? Three group stage games but all were low profile. It seems as Portuguese is not full convincing committee for some reasons.

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  3. ayomaju10 December 2018 at 10:43

    Why Gozubuyuk still doesn't have UCL match while Massa has 2 and Kabakov got chance?

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  4. Mikael W10 December 2018 at 10:47

    Andreas Ekberg's most recent match was the crucial Allsvenskan relegation playoff between Brommapojkarna - Eskilstuna which went down to the final seconds, on 25th / November.
    Find out how the Swede got on in my extended report below

    https://kronikasedziowska.blogspot.com/p/brommapojkarna-eskilstuna.html

    Maybe a 'dead rubber' but one can't really ask for a better debut than Valencia - Manchester United at Estadio de Mestalla. In my opinion fully deserved for the Bulgarian, who was very impressive when I watched him in Ludogorets - Levski Sofia earlier this year (find my report on the "Mikael's Reports" tab on Kronika sędziowska).

    Otherwise, Taylor progresses well now under FdB's eyes, nice to see Stieler back, Soares Dias can be slightly disappointed, good game for Turpin (EL Final?) and obviously an un-injured Kuipers with the decisive match.
    I expected a debutante in Madden's place (Gözübüyük?) to be honest.

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    1. Chefren10 December 2018 at 10:55

      Ağayev without a third appointment, one could have guessed him.
      If he is injured / unavailable for some reasons, then maybe Madden is a replacement? If not a technical choice for Ağayev, of course.

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    2. Ichigo10 December 2018 at 18:49

      The battle for the Baku final after me it is between Ovidiu Hategan and Clement Turpin. They didn`t had a committee memeber after all in the group stages. Maybe in the KO stages.

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  5. Nathan M.10 December 2018 at 10:56

    The least appreciate elite referees with only 2 UCL/UEL matches : Aytekin, Karasev, Kassai, Undiano Mallenco.

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  6. Euro Soccer Ref12 December 2018 at 19:21

    Underpunished (only FK) studs foul

    https://streamable.com/y9wwa

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    1. Chefren12 December 2018 at 19:35

      Sorry but the fourth official having a frontal view there... he should have intervened! Shocking foul, mandatory RC, clearly Taylor without any perception of what had exactly happened!

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    2. Marco Neri12 December 2018 at 19:36

      Mandatory YC, maybe RC would be too harsh.

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    3. Marco Neri12 December 2018 at 19:37

      But with VAR this would’ve been definitely a RC!

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    4. George12 December 2018 at 19:44

      RC for me, but if a YC had been issued, I'm not sure if VAR would have overturned the decision.

      Chefren, no way the FO can intervene there. It's too far away from his position. It is entirely possible that Rome #17 was blocking his view.

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    5. Philipp S12 December 2018 at 19:46

      @Marco Neri: Your two comments together don't make sense. If the RC is "maybe too harsh", it can't be a clear and obvious mistake, so no VAR.

      For me, it is no clear SFP, because the leg is not fully stretched and the main movement is upwards (not horizontal), therefore the intensity is not very high. Still, a RC is possible and no error.

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    6. Lde12 December 2018 at 20:12

      I do not see a text like “these situations show why ... not an elite referee” (it was written yesterday about another match, and there was nothing similar).

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    7. Marco Neri12 December 2018 at 20:13

      @Philipp S
      I did not express my thoughts properly: IMO it’s not a RC for the reasons you expressed BUT I also think that VAR would’ve intervened and assessed it as RC

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  7. Chefren12 December 2018 at 20:11

    Possible penalty for Roma a few minutes ago. Taylor played on.

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    1. Marco Neri12 December 2018 at 20:15

      Is there a contact? YES
      Is it preventing Schick from taking the ball? NO
      I think play on can be supported

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    2. Euro Soccer Ref12 December 2018 at 20:16

      https://streamable.com/123ni

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    3. Philipp S12 December 2018 at 20:34

      I would say penalty, but not black/white.

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  8. George12 December 2018 at 20:23

    Soares Dias is kind of overrunning. How can it be that he is closer to the goal line than the attackers during a counter-attack?

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  9. Euro Soccer Ref12 December 2018 at 20:59

    Both yellow cards to Pellegrini:
    1) https://streamable.com/v79cg
    2) https://streamable.com/zktzr

    Attempt to kick / trip an opponent, careless or reckless?
    https://streamable.com/9oktc

    YC Kluivert for dissent
    https://streamable.com/ojj4k

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  10. Nathan M.12 December 2018 at 21:16

    Correct onside on Bayern goal

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  11. Chefren12 December 2018 at 21:20

    Ekberg whistled a penalty to Hoffenheim for a not genuine foul inside the box (pushing). This should have been at least YC. No card by Swedish crew.

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    1. Howard Maxi12 December 2018 at 21:23

      Pushing and holding, maybe even a borderline RC.

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    2. Ref_170712 December 2018 at 21:33

      Agreed, Howard. One can even think about a RC for DOGSO. No card is definitely not acceptable.

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    3. lucac221812 December 2018 at 21:39

      In the moment of the foul there is nobody to intervene in my opinion. Red Card.

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    4. Marco Neri12 December 2018 at 21:50

      Agree with Howard. RC for me

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    5. usaref12 December 2018 at 21:59

      I just saw this incident on replay. How on earth is that not a red card?

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  12. Mikael W12 December 2018 at 21:21

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1072948558549184512

    Red Card (SFP) missed by Georgi Kabakov? Bulgarian assessed the tackle as reckless.

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    1. usaref12 December 2018 at 21:32

      That's a very strange incident.

      Valencia is reckless, sure. But what on earth is Lato doing? He suffers more contact because he chooses not to play the ball. He goes into the contact leading with his right foot, when any actual attempt to control the ball would have been made with his left leg.

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    2. Quilava12 December 2018 at 21:57

      Indeed very strange. The result of the challenge Lato's leg is terrifying (see image below), but I understand that Kabakov, at first sight, decided to issue a YC. Contact is made with knee (and I don't remember how UEFA RAP wants to assess this kind of challenges)

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuPpqw9XgAAdTpH.jpg

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    3. Chefren12 December 2018 at 21:59

      Watching the video, indeed, one has the perception of a reckless challenge, not more than that, but the player is really suffering a big pain, as the audio demontrates... I would support Kabakov for this reason. At least, live, he couldn't understand more.

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    4. usaref12 December 2018 at 22:00

      It almost looks like Lato went into the challenge intending to hurt Valencia and he got injured instead. It's hard to put into words. But hopefully people understand what I'm saying. Lato makes no attempt to play the ball.

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    5. Mikael W12 December 2018 at 22:04

      It really reminded me on the tackle Shawcross-Ramsey, but thankfully with less horrific consequences.

      I would hope that UEFA wants a RC in these situations, the amount of force the knee can generate is incredibly dangerous (moreover than studs even), but I wouldn't hold it too much against Kabakov and Diyan Valkov, on a perception-recognition level it was a hard situation.

      Besides quite good debut in my opinion, Mr Kabakov showed his class in how he solved the Bailly caution- he 'won' 1H in this moment.

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    6. George12 December 2018 at 23:50

      An image of the injury sustained: https://www.marca.com/futbol/valencia/2018/12/12/5c118aff268e3e640f8b4582.html

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  13. Chefren12 December 2018 at 21:23

    Heavy snow now in Kyiv, not the best weather conditions after an injury. I hope Kuipers wont have troubles.

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    1. lucac221812 December 2018 at 21:39

      Ukraine vs France, Kuipers, weather. No good combination. :)

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    2. Marco Neri12 December 2018 at 21:51

      @Chefren, does the committee take care of these situations?

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    3. Chefren12 December 2018 at 21:58

      Well, I don't know, but for sure Kuipers confirmed to be absolutely fit, otherwise he wouldn't have been appointed.

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  14. markoswagger12 December 2018 at 21:29

    For what reason do you want YC Chefren ?

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    1. Chefren12 December 2018 at 21:30

      Do you mean the situation in Manchester? Stopping a promising attack.

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  15. Chefren12 December 2018 at 21:30

    Penalty to Young Boys, I think suggested to Stieler by AAR2.

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    1. Ref_170712 December 2018 at 21:34

      And correctly so. Clumsy tackle by the defender.

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    2. Jonas12 December 2018 at 21:47

      And also not that easy to spot for the referee crew. That far very good performance by the Germans

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    3. RefSoccer341212 December 2018 at 22:14

      I agree. Right decision by Stieler.

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  16. Yk12 December 2018 at 21:31

    28’ penalty whistled by Stieler, but it looks like there was a foul on the defender before that.

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  17. Howard Maxi12 December 2018 at 21:47

    Ekberg quite lenient overall when it comes to disciplinary management.

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  18. markoswagger12 December 2018 at 21:50

    In my oopinion if you wisstle for penalty there is only one way to go RC. You say promising attack...it can never be YC !

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    1. Chefren12 December 2018 at 22:01

      At least YC, indeed I wanted to say that NO CARD is definitely a huge mistake!

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    2. RefSoccer341212 December 2018 at 22:10

      For me it is clear Red Card to Man City Player. I don't understand why Ekberg no card gives?

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  19. Marco Neri12 December 2018 at 21:55

    I have one question on the time management, taking City’s match as example.
    A goal was scored nearly at the end of injury time. Then the ref whistles the end right after the kick off. What’s the point in doing that? Why don’t they put end to the first half right after the goal?

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    1. Philipp S12 December 2018 at 23:05

      Because the time was probably not over at the moment of goal. So it would be technically incorrect to end the match then. After the kick-off, enough time has passed.
      The same can be seen with goal kicks sometimes.
      But I agree, that is does not make much sense. I don't know the instructions there.

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    2. Marco Neri12 December 2018 at 23:19

      I would either finish it after the goal or conceded further additional time. Like this is just a waste of time!

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  20. Ref12 December 2018 at 22:20

    Correct onside on Ajax’s goal.

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    1. Quilava12 December 2018 at 22:21

      And correct offside on Lyon disallowed goal.

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    2. Ref_170712 December 2018 at 22:22

      Excellent performance by Cyril Gringore. Two close and important decisions correctly taken.

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    3. Ref12 December 2018 at 22:23

      @Quilava indeed, quite obvious offside but not that easy to see, there were many players between Fekir and AR2. Crucial and absolutely correct decision.

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  21. RefSoccer341212 December 2018 at 22:25

    Red Card for Ajax by Turpin.

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  22. DutchRedREF12 December 2018 at 22:26

    Correct RC Wöber given by Turpin. SFP, studs on the ankle. We’ll spot by Turpin/ 4O. AR1 didn’t spot it

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  23. Ref_170712 December 2018 at 22:26

    Very good RC for SFP by Turpin. Full perception and reaction.

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  24. Quilava12 December 2018 at 22:27

    Correct RC for SFP by Turpin.

    IMO, missed two consecutive fouls on Ajax players, they were frustrated with Turpin's foul detection.

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  25. Ref12 December 2018 at 22:28

    Excellent decision by Turpin, quite similar to Skomina’s YC yesterday

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  26. DutchRedREF12 December 2018 at 22:32

    Another red card in Amsterdam given by Turpin

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  27. Ref_170712 December 2018 at 22:34

    Another clear and mandatory RC by Turpin. Very bad foul. Excellent decision again.

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    1. Ref_170712 December 2018 at 22:41

      And now a penalty was correctly given. From what I have seen, 8.6 level by the French. Impressive development within the last years.

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    2. Ref_170712 December 2018 at 22:45

      Yet another penalty! Amazing performance by Turpin, nothing to add.

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  28. DutchRedREF12 December 2018 at 22:39

    Clean PK for Ajax. Foul from Boateng on Dolberg. We’ll spot by Turpin

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  29. Quilava12 December 2018 at 22:39

    Excellent Turpin!

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    1. Euro Soccer Ref12 December 2018 at 22:42

      IMHO, he's the no1 at the moment. Always focused, never hesitating.

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  30. DutchRedREF12 December 2018 at 22:45

    Another PK, excellent decision by Turpin

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  31. Chefren12 December 2018 at 22:46

    What a challenging game for Turpin and what a performance...

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    1. Ref_170712 December 2018 at 22:58

      I couldn‘t watch the whole game but I haven‘t seen such an excellent (team) performance for a long time. 4(!) crucial decisions correctly taken, 2 tight and crucial onside decisions by AR2. Well, one can say that this performance was a clear recommendation by the French for one of the finals.

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  32. AAR112 December 2018 at 22:51

    Turpin should be 8.7/8.8 tonight. Excellent.

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  33. Fidje12 December 2018 at 22:52

    Technically you're absolutly correct Chefren. But because of his style body language (or lack of it) it isn't looking that he has it under controle for my style. I find him always looking very anxious.

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    1. Chefren12 December 2018 at 22:54

      I understand what you mean. Maybe some of these incidents could have been prevented with a different approach but for sure technically you can't say anything.

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    2. Ref12 December 2018 at 22:59

      Not anxious : focused :D

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  34. Quilava12 December 2018 at 22:53

    Correct SPA and 2nd YC by Madden.

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  35. Chefren12 December 2018 at 22:54

    Correctly disallowed goal by AR2 in Bern. Cristiano Ronaldo was assessed in active offside position. Not clear whether he touched the ball or not, but in both cases decision is fully correct. Well seen.

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  36. Ref_170712 December 2018 at 22:54

    Excellent offside decision disallowing the equalizer of Juventus. Teamwork went very well here.

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  37. Quilava12 December 2018 at 22:56

    2 correct RC, 2 correct PK...Turpin deserves quite a high mark today! (8.7-8.8?)

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    1. markoswagger12 December 2018 at 22:59

      Anything below 8.7 is not good mark in this kind of game. Very strong referee. Can we see him in the Finals ?

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    2. Jonas13 December 2018 at 07:40

      He‘s a very strong candidate for EL Final for me. UCL would be too early this season but of course in the next years if Turpin keeps his high standard :)

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  38. Bgymn12 December 2018 at 22:58

    One of the best performances if not the best performance by a CL ref this season by Turpin tonight.

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  39. Marco Neri12 December 2018 at 22:58

    Just saw a fast replay from Ajax 3rd goal. It looked a blatant offside. Wasn’t it?

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    1. lucac221812 December 2018 at 22:59

      He was 4 metres in offside. BUT. If it was a handball by the Bayern defender the deliberate save becomes a deliberate play. In this case, fully correct procedure.

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    2. Ref_170712 December 2018 at 23:00

      Not a deflection by the defender but rather an intentional play in sense of the LotG. So, the original offside position is not relevant.

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    3. Unknown12 December 2018 at 23:02

      3 meter offside. How can this situation be evaluated as Bayern defender intentionally played the ball. Blatant offside for me.

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    4. Marco Neri12 December 2018 at 23:04

      Are you saying Turpin evaluated it as a voluntary handball?

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    5. lucac221812 December 2018 at 23:04

      If it's a handball (which it is from replays in my opinion), THEN the rule wants this to be a deliberate play making the offside irrelevant (because if a handball is deemed deliberate, it is also deliberately played).

      If the referees missed the Handball, it's definitely not a deliberate play but a deliberate save. In this case, the decision cannot be supported.

      It depends on what the team will tell the observer, and what the replays show. (if they are clever, they will say they have deemed it as a deliberate handball / advantage).

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    6. Marco Neri12 December 2018 at 23:07

      From Turpin’s body language it doesn’t seem he was going to whistle a penalty. Btw a really excellent performance for him. In case, the error should be assigned to AR2

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    7. Bgymn13 December 2018 at 02:00

      Regardless if its handball, the bayern defender made a deliberate attempt to play the ball. In this case by trying to block the shot. One cannot judge this as an innocent deflection thus it is not offside.

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    8. petschovschi13 December 2018 at 12:01

      Blatant offside. A deflected shot is not a deliberate attempt to play the ball.

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  40. lucac221812 December 2018 at 23:02

    The best Turpin I've ever seen so far. Trés bien!

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  41. Quilava12 December 2018 at 23:03

    I liked Turpin's and AAR's quick reaction after the Ajax equalizer, it resulted in a YC.

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  42. Chefren12 December 2018 at 23:08

    Well, it seems as this season things are turning better for committee.
    For sure Turpin is a candidate for EL final, it would be also a logical consequence after the appointment as fourth official in CL final on last season. In addition, we have also Hategan, a strong contender, without nationality "problems" (I mean, teams from the same country). That's surely positive.

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    1. Philipp S12 December 2018 at 23:13

      Yes, also Orsato and Zwayer and maybe Collum seem possible. Of course, everyone needs to get through KO stage without major problems first.

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    2. Chefren13 December 2018 at 08:22

      Regarding Italy, with Rocchi still there he should be the first option ahead Orsato for both Europa and Champions League, he deserves that.

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    3. Philipp S13 December 2018 at 11:02

      For Rocchi, I was thinking CL final or nothing. If he has a good season, he is the favourite for the CL final, if not, there are better candidates for the EL final.

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    4. petschovschi13 December 2018 at 12:18

      Turpin gained a very good position in UEFA's ranking during last 12 months.
      Before WC play-offs Turpin was clearly behind Hategan. In october 2017, at WC u17, Hategan whistled a SF and Turpin whistled only a QF. Also, at that time, Hategan already whistled a SF in Europa League (Man Utd- Celta Vigo), Turpin not. But after that came that WC play-off with a terrible mistake. Turpin went to WC 2018, Hategan not. Turpin was sent to very important games in the spring of 2018 like Roma- Barcelona or Arsenal- Atletico (and he did a good job), Hategan not. That's the story, in this moment Turpin is (clearly) ahead of Hategan.
      I agree with the fact that Turpin is main contender for the final of EL. Mainly because Marciniak had a terrible 2018 and is clearly out of form. I have to say that Turpin made a nice progress in last few years, after that Feyenoord- Roma. But I believe that EL final can be given to a spanish referee (if there won't be spanish teams in the final). Spanish referees were penalised by the fact that in last years we had Real, Barca, Atletico, Sevilla in the european cups finals. It's very possible to have a EL final without a spanish team in 2019. There are teams like Chelsea, Arsenal, Napoli, Inter, Milan, Lazio in Europa League and Sevilla, Valencia and (maybe) Villarreal are not so good this season.

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  43. Mikael W12 December 2018 at 23:12

    Successful debut for Georgi Kabakov in my opinion.

    Relevant situations:
    10' YC, A. Valencia (RC:SFP?) => ok.ru/video/1232018934374?fromTime=852
    26' Penalty, Handball? => ok.ru/video/1232018934374?fromTime=1822
    28' YC, & Excellent Management => ok.ru/video/1232018934374?fromTime=1972
    75' 2nd YC?, A. Valencia for SPA => No Video Clip yet, but surely acceptable call

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  44. Quilava12 December 2018 at 23:57

    Consequence of Valencia's challenge on Lato, Kabakov assessed it as a YC, but as many people have commented before, I wouldn't blame Kabakov too much.

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    1. Quilava12 December 2018 at 23:57

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuP13ssW0AAiEx3.jpg

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  45. Stake13 December 2018 at 10:33

    AJAX AMSTERDAM - FC BAYERN MÜNCHEN (Clément Turpin)

    67' - RC Wöber for SFP
    => https://streamable.com/xzz8n

    75' - RC Müller for SFP
    => https://streamable.com/wv2l8

    81' - Penalty for Ajax
    => https://streamable.com/003lt

    86' - Penalty for Bayern
    => https://streamable.com/19jx6

    90+4' - Potential offside goal and management
    => https://streamable.com/wfsnj

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    1. Chefren13 December 2018 at 11:49

      Good prevention when 3-3 was scored, but this goal was offside. Never a deliberate play, and since the player who scored was clearly in offside, I think it was missed cooperation there.

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    2. Alex Tanks13 December 2018 at 12:01

      about the 3-3 goal, IMO given that the defender did play intentionally the ball in order to deflect if off the goal, it is not an offside position !

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    3. Mlacko13 December 2018 at 12:25

      How you can say its not offside position LMAO? Its clear offside, never deliberate play, it reflected only, he didnt play the back pass !

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    4. Tom13 December 2018 at 12:57

      The distance is to big to not speak about a delibetate play. The defender can clearly see the ball coming and he clearly moves his body towards the ball.

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    5. Bgymn13 December 2018 at 13:04

      I 100% agree with Tom here. It is not an unintentional deflection. He made a deliberate attempt to play the ball. The distance is too large. He had plenty of time to think about how he would play the ball. Defender misjudged it which ultimately fell to the attacker who scored. This does not matter however, in the end the defender made an intentional play. One must trust Turpin and the AR judgement in this situation. Especially with the crew on such good form.

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    6. lucac221813 December 2018 at 13:54

      But it was a shot on goal, a strong one even. In this case, mostly targeted body movements are somehow intuitive and therefore interpreted as a deliberate save.

      I really think it's a deliberate handball by Kimmich. And I also think that Turpin and Gringore are extremely lucky. Without knowing it, I believe it was actually a blackout, missing this offside, which can however be called a correct or at least supportable decision afterwards.

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    7. lucac221813 December 2018 at 13:58

      And actually it's also very astonishing that Assistant Referee 1 seriously flagged a throw-in for the first expulsión.

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    8. VG13 December 2018 at 14:30

      I really think '94' is offside. That's not a deliberate play on the ball. Had it been deliberate then it's handling and then you would have seen a penalty called.

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    9. petschovschi13 December 2018 at 17:38

      Totally agree with Victor.
      It was a deflected shot, nothing more. Blatant offside. We didn't see the intention of Turpin to whistle a penalty, also we didn't see the sign of an advantage (if we can talk about advantage in case of a penalty...). It's a huge miss of AR2 (but only of AR 2 ?)

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    10. Nathan M.13 December 2018 at 17:46

      I really don't think the AR missed such offside, especially with the ones he spotted before in the game. I think they just judged that the player deliberately played the ball.

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    11. petschovschi13 December 2018 at 17:53

      @Nathan, I just realised that you have Turpin in your profile photo :) I already told, there was no sign of advantage (with the hands) from Turpin.
      That's the main issue of this blog. Many members try to defend the referees when is not the case.

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  46. paolo13 December 2018 at 11:22

    What dou you think about the situation on Kimmich in the first half?
    Should have Turpin whistled for a penalty or not?
    And another earlier when Ajax's captain was/or not fouled in the penalty area after a corner. Opinions?

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    1. Tom13 December 2018 at 13:22

      IMO it is play on. Kimmich can shoot the ball and then he and his opponent crush together. But Turpin could handle the Situation better in terms of trying to explain it to kimmich. Instead he let kimmich get more and more emotional and it ends up in a head to head between kimmich an turpin and a yellow card

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    2. paolo13 December 2018 at 14:15

      Does anyone have a video about this situation? And about the other I metioned above?

      For me it was a clear penalty after Kimmich kikcked the ball. So it was a crucial mistake by Turpin IMO.
      I agree with you that he handled Kimmich's reaction poorly.

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    3. Nathan M.13 December 2018 at 14:43

      IMO supportable no penalty in both situations. Indeed, Kimmich's reaction could have been handle in a better way. However Kimmich went up really angry and i don't know if he was ready to hear an explanation. From what i usually see, in this kind of situations, he has a quick talk with the player a few minutes later when he is more calm.

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    4. paolo14 December 2018 at 11:24

      I have found a video about the situation. From 02:40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jx6HXJVE60
      from the replay you can see the ball is still in play when the foul was committed.

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  47. jleekens13 December 2018 at 13:50

    I actually don't think Turpin was that good yesterday. Yes, he got his crucial decisions right, but both red cards were a result of Turpin losing control of the game and both teams getting more and more frustrated at his unclear and poor foul detection. If this were a European final, no one would be happy about the referee, even though both red cards and both penalties were correct.

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    1. paolo13 December 2018 at 14:17

      I completely agree with you, I felt the same when I was watching the match. In addition, IMO Turpin missed a penalty (mentioned above).

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    2. Quilava13 December 2018 at 16:10

      Agree, I copy-paste what I posted when Turpin issued the first RC.

      "Correct RC for SFP by Turpin.

      IMO, missed two consecutive fouls on Ajax players, they were frustrated with Turpin's foul detection"

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    3. Hans13 December 2018 at 17:31

      Indeed. I have the same opinion. I am very surprised to read all of the compliments in this blog. Despite the justified red cards Mister Turpin made a lot of (small) mistakes

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    4. petschovschi13 December 2018 at 17:43

      For this reason is very good to see a game on a stadium. You can see everything, even things which are not shwon in TV. That's why referee observer are on the stadium, not in front of TV.
      I didn't watch entire game, I saw only important moments. Indeed, if you see only penalties and red card you will say that Turpin was very good. probably that's the case of majority from this blog.

      OT last summer I was in Russia for two games. Referees were Geiger (ENG- COL) and Cunha (FRA- BEL). Despite positive reviews here, on the blog, my impression from stadium was bad about both of them.

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    5. jleekens13 December 2018 at 18:12

      I agree, but watching the whole game in front of TV gives a good impression as well. And I must say Turpin was excellent during Ajax - Kiev so he had a lot of positive comments in the Netherlands (where he is still famous for Feyenoord - Roma), but it was just bad yesterday. Football is still a game for fans so not only the players but also the fans should be able to understand the referee, which wasn't the case yesterday.

      OT I don't know who had positive reviews about Geiger but I still remember that performance as one of the worst I've ever seen.

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    6. Hans13 December 2018 at 18:26

      Correct. I was in the stadium last night.

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    7. Nathan M.14 December 2018 at 00:38

      I just rewatched the game just to be sure. As i saw it live, IMO it was a top performance (especially in second half). I don't really know when you saw that he was losing control of the game, I found him always focus and he never let the stadium atmosphere disturb him and his foul detection. I think you can't say the overall referee performance was bad when he take 4 crucials decisions correctly + 2 supportable no penalty (IMO) in first half. The big debatable decision was the last goal (offside). Probably missed cooperation between officials. However, the AR2 took at least 3 great decisions before. We'll see what comitee think in next appointments.

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    8. jleekens14 December 2018 at 01:31

      I think there was no clear line in decisions, and because of that frustration grew with both the players and public. I also felt like his style didn't really match the game, which he should have known after some time. He came across as quite arrogant as well. It's a shame because I thought he was excellent during Ajax - Kiev. I'm not a referee expert but imo fans should be able to understand referee's decisions as well which was definitely not the case during Ajax - Bayern, the fact that quite a few agree with me supports that. Of course I can't argue with the 4 crucial decisions (though I think those were pretty obvious). But my point was that imo it was quite obvious that both red cards were a direct result of Turpin's foul management and the growing frustration from both teams with regards to Turpin.

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    9. paolo14 December 2018 at 11:25

      Opinion about the situation against Kimmich? From 02:40
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jx6HXJVE60

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    10. Chefren14 December 2018 at 11:56

      As I watched many of these situations in the past, everything is at referee's discretion. When a player shots on goal and then he is fouled, most of the referee don't consider the challenge as relevant. In this case player was fouled after having hit the ball. Foul could have been whistled. There isn't a specific instruction about that, but basically when the challenge doesn't influence the play and it isn't reckless, play on seems to be the best solution. In any case never a clear penalty / crucial mistake, if you ask me. Situation must be more blatant.

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    11. paolo14 December 2018 at 17:23

      Thank you for your answer, Chefren!
      I know that referees usually don't give penalties for situations like this, but my opinion is that your explanation is not good. It doesn't matter if a challange had ifluence on the play or not. It doesn't matter if it was reckless or not. If it was a foul, it must have been a penalty IMO.
      Imagine that the ball is in play somewhere in the halfway line's vicinity when a defender is making a careless foul on an opponent. Does it have effect on the play? No. Was is reckless? No. Should the referee give a penalty? Yes.
      In this specific situation I think it was reckless also. The attacker needed to get treatment as well.

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    12. paolo14 December 2018 at 17:53

      I mean, that the defender is making a careless foul on an opponent in his own penalty area.

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    13. petschovschi14 December 2018 at 19:12

      This is the first time when I watched that situation with Kimmich. For me it's foul, without any doubt (also reckless).

      But it's true that referees don't whistle too often a foul in these cases. Honestly, I don't know why. I remember Cakir had two similar situations in 2018 and he took different decisions:
      - no penalty in Juventus- Real (foul on Cuadrado in the last second of the game)
      - penalty in Salzburg- Crvena Zvezda (Salzburg scored their 2nd goal if I remeber well)

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  48. nobo15 December 2018 at 13:04

    What do you think about the PK by Lewandowski. He interrupted twice! Not a "fluent" move I think.

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    1. Nathan M.15 December 2018 at 13:38

      The law says that there is an offence if "feinting to kick the ball once the kicker has completed the run-up (feinting in the run-up is permitted); the referee cautions the kicker".

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