Group G
13 December 2018, 18:55 CET - Vila-real (Estadio de la Cerámica)
Villarreal CF (ESP) - FC Spartak Moskva (RUS)
Referee: Andris Treimanis (LVA)
Assistant Referee 1: Haralds Gudermanis (LVA)
Assistant Referee 2: Aleksejs Spasjonņikovs (LVA)
Fourth Official: Raimonds Tatriks (LVA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Aleksandrs Golubevs (LVA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Edgars Maļcevs (LVA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bo Karlsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Ciprian Paraschiv (ROU)
Mentor for Delegate: Mark Blackbourne (ENG)
Group G
13 December 2018, 18:55 CET - Vienna (Allianz Stadion)
SK Rapid Wien (AUT) - Rangers FC (SCO)
Referee: Paolo Silvio Mazzoleni (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Costanzo (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Matteo Passeri (ITA)
Fourth Official: Alberto Tegoni (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Marco Guida (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Piero Giacomelli (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Shmuel Shteif (ISR)
UEFA Delegate: Thibault De Gendt (BEL)
Group H
13 December 2018, 18:55 CET - Marseille (Orange Vélodrome)
Olympique de Marseille (FRA) - Apóllon Limassol FC (CYP)
Referee: Radu Marian Petrescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Radu Adrian Ștefan Ghinguleac (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Mircea Mihail Grigoriu (ROU)
Fourth Official: Vladimir Urzică (ROU)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Sebastian Constantin Colțescu (ROU)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Marcel Bîrsan (ROU)
UEFA Referee Observer: Guy Goethals (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: David Pugh (ENG)
Group H
13 December 2018, 18:55 CET - Rome (Stadio Olimpico)
SS Lazio (ITA) - Eintracht Frankfurt (GER)
Referee: Halil Umut Meler (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Kerem Ersoy (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: İbrahim Çağlar Uyarcan (TUR)
Fourth Official: Ceyhun Sesigüzel (TUR)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Alper Ulusoy (TUR)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Ümit Öztürk (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Manuel Enrique Mejuto González (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Roy Cathcart (NIR)
Group I
13 December 2018, 18:55 CET - Istanbul (Vodafone Park)
Beşiktaş JK (TUR) - Malmö FF (SWE)
Referee: Luca Banti (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Lorenzo Manganelli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Gianluca Vuoto (ITA)
Fourth Official: Giorgio Peretti (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Ichko Lozev (BUL)
UEFA Delegate: Jovan Šurbatović (SRB)
Group I
13 December 2018, 18:55 CET - Genk (Luminus Arena)
KRC Genk (BEL) - Sarpsborg 08 FF (NOR)
Referee: István Kovács (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Vasile Florin Marinescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Mihai Ovidiu Artene (ROU)
Fourth Official: Alexandru Cerei (ROU)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Ionuț Marius Avram (ROU)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Horațiu Mircea Feșnic (ROU)
UEFA Referee Observer: Herbert Fandel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Burim Sejdini (MKD)
Mentor for Delegate: Panagiotis Chatzialexiou (GER)
Group J
13 December 2018, 18:55 CET - Seville (Estadio Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán)
Sevilla FC (ESP) - FC Krasnodar (RUS)
Referee: Daniel Stefański (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Marcin Boniek (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Dawid Golis (POL)
Fourth Official: Krzysztof Myrmus (POL)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Zbigniew Dobrynin (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Ilkka Koho (FIN)
UEFA Delegate: Ionel Piscanu (ROU)
Group J
13 December 2018, 18:55 CET - Akhisar/Manisa (Spor Toto Akhisar Stadyumu)
Akhisarspor (TUR) - Royal Standard de Liège (BEL)
Referee: Ádám Farkas (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: Balázs Buzás (HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: Balázs Szert (HUN)
Fourth Official: Péter Kóbor (HUN)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Sándor Andó-Szabó (HUN)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Péter Solymosi (HUN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Lucílio Cardoso Cortez Batista (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Sergiu Lisnic (MDA)
Group K
13 December 2018, 18:55 CET - Rennes (Roazhon Park)
Stade Rennais FC (FRA) - FC Astana (KAZ)
Referee: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Charles Schaap (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Davie Goossens (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Kevin Blom (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Siemen Mulder (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sándor Piller (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Álvaro Albino (POR)
Group K
13 December 2018, 18:55 CET - Kyiv (Natsionalnyy Sportyvnyy Kompleks "Olimpiys'kyy")
FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) - FK Jablonec (CZE)
Referee: Vilhjálmur Alvar Þórarinsson (ISL)
Assistant Referee 1: Gylfi Már Sigurðsson (ISL)
Assistant Referee 2: Jóhann Gunnar Guðmundsson (ISL)
Fourth Official: Birkir Sigurðarson (ISL)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Ívar Orri Kristjánsson (ISL)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Þóroddur Hjaltalín (ISL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Rudolf Zavrl (SVN)
Group L
13 December 2018, 18:55 CET - Thessaloniki (Stádio Toúmbas)
PAOK FC (GRE) - FC BATE Barysaŭ (BLR)
Referee: Tobias Welz (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Rafael Foltyn (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Markus Häcker (GER)
Fourth Official: Dominik Schaal (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Marco Fritz (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Christian Dingert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Andrejs Sipailo (LVA)
UEFA Delegate: Ivan Tsitovich (RUS)
Group L
13 December 2018, 18:55 CET - Budapest (Groupama Aréna)
MOL Vidi FC (HUN) - Chelsea FC (ENG)
Referee: Aleksandar Stavrev (MKD)
Assistant Referee 1: Marjan Kirovski (MKD)
Assistant Referee 2: Dejan Kostadinov (MKD)
Fourth Official: Nikola Karakolev (MKD)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Dimitar Mečkarovski (MKD)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Dejan Jakimovski (MKD)
UEFA Referee Observer: Michális Argyroú (CYP)
UEFA Delegate: Michael Kirchner (GER)
Group A
13 December 2018, 21:00 CET - Nicosia (Stádio GSP)
AEK Larnaca FC (CYP) - Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER)
Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Cyril Mugnier (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Mehdi Rahmouni (FRA)
Fourth Official: Huseyin Ocak (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Frank Schneider (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Mikaël Lesage (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Matteo Simone Trefoloni (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Ronit Glasman (ISR)
Group A
13 December 2018, 21:00 CET - Razgrad (Ludogorets Arena)
PFC Ludogorets 1945 (BUL) - FC Zürich (SUI)
Referee: Kirill Levnikov (RUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Valeriy Danchenko (RUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Maksim Gavrilin (RUS)
Fourth Official: Dmitriy Mosyakin (RUS)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Vladislav Bezborodov (RUS)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Aleksey Yes'kov (RUS)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jan Willem Wegereef (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Róbert Barczi (HUN)
Group B
13 December 2018, 21:00 CET - Leipzig (Red Bull Arena)
RB Leipzig (GER) - Rosenborg BK (NOR)
Referee: Serhiy Boyko (UKR)
Assistant Referee 1: Volodymyr Volodin (UKR)
Assistant Referee 2: Ihor Alokhin (UKR)
Fourth Official: Semen Shlonchak (UKR)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Mykola Balakin (UKR)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Anatoliy Abdula (UKR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Goran Mihaljević (MNE)
UEFA Delegate: Iva Olivari (CRO)
Mentor for Delegate: Barry Bright (ENG)
Group B
13 December 2018, 21:00 CET - Glasgow (Celtic Park)
Celtic FC (SCO) - FC Red Bull Salzburg (AUT)
Referee: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Guillaume Debart (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Julien Pacelli (FRA)
Fourth Official: Benjamin Pagès (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Olivier Thual (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Darko Čeferin (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Lennart Vestervall (SWE)
Mentor for Delegate: David Roger Griffiths (WAL)
Group C
13 December 2018, 21:00 CET - Copenhagen (Telia Parken)
FC København (DEN) - FC Girondins de Bordeaux (FRA)
Referee: Hüseyin Göçek (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Mustafa Emre Eyisoy (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Kemal Yılmaz (TUR)
Fourth Official: Serkan Ok (TUR)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Barış Şimşek (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Volodymyr Petrov (UKR)
UEFA Delegate: Johan Johqvist (SWE)
Mentor for Delegate: Dennis Cruise (IRL)
Group C
13 December 2018, 21:00 CET - Prague (Sinobo Stadium)
SK Slavia Praha (CZE) - FC Zenit (RUS)
Referee: Andrew Dallas (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Francis Connor (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: Douglas Potter (SCO)
Fourth Official: Stuart Stevenson (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Greg Aitken (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Euan Anderson (SCO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jaap Uilenberg (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Michális Mítas (CYP)
Mentor for Delegate: Tormod Larsen (NOR)
Group D
13 December 2018, 21:00 CET - Trnava (City Arena - Štadión Antona Malatinského)
FC Spartak Trnava (SVK) - Fenerbahçe SK (TUR)
Referee: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Raúl Cabañero Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Javier Aguilar Rodríguez (ESP)
Fourth Official: Diego Barbero Sevilla (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Iain Robertson Brines (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Michael Appleby (ENG)
Group D
13 December 2018, 21:00 CET - Zagreb (Stadion Maksimir)
GNK Dinamo (CRO) - RSC Anderlecht (BEL)
Referee: Sandro Schärer (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Stéphane De Almeida (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Bekim Zogaj (SUI)
Fourth Official: Raffael Zeder (SUI)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Alain Bieri (SUI)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Lukas Fähndrich (SUI)
UEFA Referee Observer: Michális Koukoulákis (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: Claude Runavot (FRA)
Group E
13 December 2018, 21:00 CET - Lisbon (Estádio José Alvalade)
Sporting CP (POR) - FC Vorskla Poltava (UKR)
Referee: Manuel Schüttengruber (AUT)
Assistant Referee 1: Roland Brandner (AUT)
Assistant Referee 2: Robert Steinacher (AUT)
Fourth Official: Stefan Kühr (AUT)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Oliver Drachta (AUT)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Dieter Muckenhammer (AUT)
UEFA Referee Observer: Elmir Pilav (BIH)
UEFA Delegate: Peter Oskam (NED)
Mentor for Delegate: Adrian Titcombe (ENG)
Group E
13 December 2018, 21:00 CET - London (Emirates Stadium)
Arsenal FC (ENG) - Qarabağ FK (AZE)
Referee: Jens Grabski Maae (DEN)
Assistant Referee 1: Lars Hummelgaard (DEN)
Assistant Referee 2: Heine Sørensen (DEN)
Fourth Official: Jesper Dahl (DEN)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Jørgen Daugbjerg Burchardt (DEN)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Morten Krogh (DEN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stávros Tritsónis (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: Styrbjörn Oskarsson (FIN)
Group F
13 December 2018, 21:00 CET - Luxembourg (Stade Josy Barthel)
F91 Dudelange (LUX) - Real Betis Balompié (ESP)
Referee: Peter Kráľovič (SVK)
Assistant Referee 1: Miroslav Benko (SVK)
Assistant Referee 2: Erik Weiss (SVK)
Fourth Official: Tomáš Mókoš (SVK)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Michal Očenáš (SVK)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Boris Marhefka (SVK)
UEFA Referee Observer: Petteri Kari (FIN)
UEFA Delegate: Łukasz Wachowski (POL)
Group F
13 December 2018, 21:00 CET - Piraeus (Stádio Geórgios Karaïskákis)
Olympiakós FC (GRE) - AC Milan (ITA)
Referee: Benoît Bastien (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Hicham Zakrani (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Frédéric Haquette (FRA)
Fourth Official: Philippe Jeanne (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Benoît Millot (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Jérôme Miguelgorry (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jørn West Larsen (DEN)
UEFA Delegate: Graham Hover (ENG)
DEBUTS
ReplyDeleteHalil Umut Meler (TUR)
Ádám Farkas (HUN)
Vilhjálmur Alvar Þórarinsson (ISL)
Kirill Levnikov (RUS)
José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Jens Grabski Maae (DEN)
Peter Kráľovič (SVK)
COMMITTEE MEMBERS OBSERVING
DeleteTreimanis - Karlsson
Kovács - Fandel
Dallas - Uilenberg
Olympiakós - Milan is a direct play-off, therefore Bastien's presence is fully understandable. The same with Stade Rennais - Astana, Gözübüyük is the referee. In this case one can say it's a better game for the Dutch than a meaningless UCL match.
DeleteIn Groups G and I every team can advance. Treimanis & Mazzoleni and Banti & Kovács are appointed respectively
In each of the groups B, C, J, L two teams compete for advance but not in direct games.
Interesting, that Aytekin, Kassai and Undiano have not been used at all for those important EL matches.
Delete3 French referee teams in the one Europa League match day with 4 used between UCL and UEL.
ReplyDeleteGood game for Halil Umut Meler who has impressed me in the Turkish League. He is only 32 and I think has a big future ahead of him.
ReplyDeleteLazio - Eintracht will be a fun match. Meaningless for the teams, but two fan groups that really don't like each other very much. 8,000 Frankfurters in the stadium, another 10,000 knocking on the gates. Hopefully not another AEK/Ajax scenario, but the events surrounding the pitch could make it more challenging than what is happening on the pitch.
DeleteIMHO, those are too big clubs for a debut, but good luck to Halil.
DeleteWonderful game by Halil Meler. Good foul identification, cards, match control, body language. It wasn’t a challenging match, but still very good for an EL debut.
DeleteFor me, it`s expected that two referees who debuts in Champions League, like Treimanis and Kovacs, now are observed by the committe members. They could be selected for the final tournament Euro under 21 and will be supervised in next games and Euro 2020 qualification And about Radu Petrescu he get only his second game in the EL, because last year he had some big medical problems.
ReplyDeleteWhat are the problems with Blom, Vad, Strömbergsson, Moen, Sousa?
ReplyDeleteDe Sousa is injured, too.
DeleteStrömbergsson had a defective performance in Armenia - FYR Macedonia (https://streamable.com/aoj55), and hasn't been appointed since.
DeleteI am confused about Moen because he has been appointed on a high level in Norway, eg title decider and relegation playoff. He only has one international match this season, EL Qualifier R2...
As a Celtic fan I'm hoping Ruddy Buquet's AR1 has a better performance than the last time he was in Glasgow (missed offside in Rangers v Rapid)!
ReplyDeleteWill be interesting to see how Andrew Dallas gets on after a challenging couple of games in Scotland.
OT: Del Cerro Grande shows his refereeing items collection (mostly prizes and souvenirs) after his promotion to Elite.
ReplyDeleteHe shows, besides prizes received from regional and national committees, his medals for his participations in Euro 2016 and Euro u-21 2017 as AAR, the official matchballs of his national category debuts (3rd division, 2nd division, La Liga...) and Copa del Rey Finals, and the shirts he wore in Supercopa 2018, Euro 2016 and Copa del Rey 2016 Final.
It's very interesting to observe that, when showing the latter, he confesses that his (excellent) performance on Copa del Rey 2016 Final was definitely the "inflection point" on his international career.
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxq46QGaLcc
(The video is in Spanish)
DeleteRosetti talking about VAR in Champions League (in Italian):
ReplyDeletehttps://sport.sky.it/calcio/champions-league/2018/12/13/rosetti-intervista-esclusiva-sky-var-in-champions-siamo-pronti.html
Among other things, some interesting statements: "We must be accurate in respecting the guidelines. We have many grey areas in football and that's for sure something to be taken into account. We are preparing teams of referees (on the pitch and behind the monitor) who talk the same language and must be ready to communicate in every moment of the game. VAR must take decisions, they will be under pressure even more than officials on the pitch. It is a difficult process also because we wont have a central control room. For some referees, it will be the first experience ever behind the monitor, and they got a specific training. We think that we are ready ".
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DeleteI am a bit surprised about the language thing. You would expect that the FIFA referees are proficient enough in English, so that everything can be done in that language without any problem. At the WC, it was also announced, but in the end not taken so strictly (e.g. three different languages in the final VAR team).
DeleteFixed team would be sensible however, although it restricts the appointment possibilities (many potential VARs are also candidates to referee in the KO stage).
And it will be interesting, whether they use the same pattern of four VAR officials as FIFA. I have not heard of any VAR training for the specialized assistants so far.
Corrrect RC by Petrescu at Marseille
ReplyDeleteMaybe offside before RC
DeletePoor video, doesn't show the lead-up, just the rugby tackle... https://streamja.com/X064
DeletePK + DOGSO RC by Petrescu.
ReplyDeletePK + DOGSO by Stefanski now. Handling to clear it on the line
ReplyDeleteQuite delayed RC but good cooperation with AR and AAR.
Can be a PK from Krasnodar goalie just before?
Only video I've seen of it so far (very poor unfortunately): https://streamable.com/f3kwr
DeleteGözübüyük with a correct penalty call to Rennes.
ReplyDeleteCrucial decisions:
ReplyDeleteCorrect penalty for Gözübüyük and correct RC:SFP by Banti.
Challenge by Quaresma is very shocking, this player should be banned from football, if you ask me. Not the first time...
DeleteThis was nasty... https://streamja.com/oEOn
DeleteCorrect penalty whistled by Tobias Welz
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Now a RC issued by Welz
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Correct decisions, where it might have been easier to close both eyes.
DeleteSince he returned from injury, Welz has become one of the best 'safe-pair-of-hands' 1st Cat. referees, if you ask me.
Excellent red cards from Banti (SFP) and Welz (VC).
ReplyDeleteOT Please, could somebody tell me if referee like Deniz Aytekin and Serdar Gozbuyuk could referee turkish teams or not. Also, Istvan Kovacs from Romania, who has hungarian roots. Thanks a lot.
ReplyDeleteAytekin handled England - Turkey, friendly, in 2016, but never Turkish teams / national team in official games.
DeleteSerdar Gozubuyuk never handled any Turkish team.
Kovacs never handled Romanian teams.
I think indeed they are not allowed.
Kovacs is from Romania and i think he is not allowed to referee hungarian teams. It will be a funny thing that Istvan Kovacs, from Vidi, booked by referee Istvan Kovacs from Romania. Thanks a lot for the other information. And one more thing that because Vassaras is the Romania chief head, the roumanian referee are not allowed to greek teams and viceversa.
DeleteThe fact that heads of refereeing very often change is particular in regard to the referees who can't officiate teams from certain countries. I would be against that but it is very likely as you wrote... today Kovacs can't handle Greek teams, maybe one day when Vassaras will leave the role, he will be allowed to do that. For sure a nosense for me.
DeleteAnd let me say, to be honest, I also think that head of refereeing of a certain country must be always from the same country. For the development of local refereeing there aren't other ways.
DeleteVillarreal- Spartak Mosca: correct RC by Treimanis.
ReplyDeleteBanti with his usual leniency, solved the last times (75'-) of Beşiktaş - Malmö well. Game only had around fifteen fouls, so likely easier than one might expect.
ReplyDeleteVery touching scenes as the Italian cried after his final whistle- I can just say, for a great international career: thank you Luca!
Banti, Welz, Gozubuyuk excellent games!! Gozubuyuk in crucial game very very good game.
ReplyDeleteIf I'm not wrong, in København - Bordeaux AR2 Yılmaz delayed the offside flag waiting for the end of the action before the call. Since in Turkey there is VAR, very likely he forgot that he was not officiating in Turkish Super Lig :D
ReplyDeleteSandro Schärer with expected performance in easy match so far in 1st half.
ReplyDeleteIMO, candidate for promotion to First on June. He's quite young and seems the best Swiss prospect.
DeleteMaybe soft penalty by Bastien to OLY, at moment crucial for qualifiation. It must be checked, the holding looked not that significant... but I can be wrong.
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DeleteVideo here
Deletehttps://streamable.com/ymwgv
@petschovschi I see that despite the hatred shown towards this blog, you are still publishing comments here.
DeleteSecond : are you going to destroy every referee who takes a decision against an Italian team ? Skomina Tuesday, Bastien today and other examples... Said with a Juventus logo... This PK is not « malicious » although it is soft, and neither Bastien nor Skomina are robots. Just humans with feelings. Please keep that in mind.
petschovschi, if you write such comments, you are not welcome. I'm sorry.
DeleteWhen we say big mistakes which influence the the qualification in KO stage we must have the courage to say it !
DeleteWhat I should say ? I should say that Bastien was good and the penalty is "supportable" ?
And is not only about that penalty ! Take a look at the execution of the corner from which Olympiakos scored 1st goal !!! The same situation was considered as handball in a similar case for Milan (and a dangerous counter of Oly followed).
@WCReferee
DeleteIt's not a soft penalty, it's a mistake. You should have the courage to admit.
The holding is actually quite soft, but to give the penalty is not a clear and obvious mistake. In times of VAR, the question we have to ask is: "Would VAR have intervened here" and I think the answer would be (rightfully) "No". Definitely a supportable decision that Bastien has made here.
Delete@petschovschi: I don't know if you are a referee yourself or not, but I have the impression that you see refereeing decisions only as "black-or-white" decisions. But football is not about being "black-or-white", and the only times you ever turn up on the blog is when a referee commits (or seems to commit) a mistake, you're trying to impose your opinion to other users and you slam everyone who is not agreeing with you. You demand people to respect your opinion, but you're not doing by yourself what you're requesting from others. Just think about that before you want to slam people who have a different opinion...
I suggest to Chefren to make a poll for this penalty. The answers should be only with "yes" or "no" (no other options).
DeleteResults sould be evaluate as follows:
NO >70% than Bastien made a mistake, it's not penalty
NO 30%-70% grey-area
NO <30% Bastien was right, it's penalty
You can see that I accepted a huge margin for grey-area. I don't expect more than 20% YES in case of this penalty...
OT: If we have a situation where 80/100 referees whistle penalty (and only 20/100 referees don't whistle) the conclusion should be is: there is a penalty and those 20 referees who didn't whistle made a mistake. When we have 70-80% votes in favour of a decision we can't talk anymore about "supportable" call, about different opinion. The grey-area is not so large !
@petschovschi
DeleteThe matter is not really the opinion about this penalty : I think the referee’s decision is supportable, you think it’s a mistake, and that’s it. I accept your opinion as you should accept mine, and we can find arguments for both points of view. As Stake says : football is not "black-or-white".
The point is the way you express your opinion. You refuse every opinion which are different from yours. And BTW, using the word "malicious" makes me feel as if your were having doubts about the referee’s impartiality. Maybe I’m wrong, but it would bother me not to be.
To sup it up : I think many people here on this blog are ready to discuss about referees’ decisions, but one should always accept every point of view.
If there is no black and white in refereeing that means we have 100% grey-area and the referee should be always supported, which is not the case. There are, indeed, difficult situations when opinions can be different. But not always, only in difficult situations !
DeleteGrey-area is not so large and shouldn't be enlarged by us in order to protect the referees !
On the pitch, the decision of the referees are "YES" or "NO", not "soft", "supportable" etc. For this reason also our evaluations should be, as much as possible, in the same manner (yes or no). Btw, in case of a poll regarding Bastien's penalty, which will be your option: YES or NO ?
Hopefully there isn’t only grey areas in football, otherwise it would be another sport. I didn’t say that there were no black/white situations in football, far from that.
DeleteThe thing is : referees have to take a yes/no decision on the pitch in a split second. That’s why this should lead us to be empathic with them. IMO a "yes/no" on the pitch can become a "yes/no/soft/harsh/supportable/etc." in debates after slow-motions. I know that being a referee myself.
Considering the soft pulling and the context (1-1, 80’ minute or so), I would go for a "no" if I really have to choose. It would be more clever I think.
However I still consider this decision as supportable, and never a crucial mistake. That’s my point of view and I share it.
I basically agree with the idea, that the grey area should be not too large and not every referee decision can be defended.
Delete(Actually I am currently in the position of petschovschi in a discussion about a Bundesliga incident in a different place, where everyone else is defending the referee, saying it is in the grey area, but I think it is a clear error)
But I would make a change to the poll:
The question should be "Is the decision a mistake in your opinion?" (not necessarily a clear mistake)
Then we can take your percentages and say, if >70% say YES, then it is a clear mistake, i.e. a 7,9. And if >90% say YES, it is VAR stuff.
The difference is in situations, where e.g. 80% say "both decisions are OK, but I would have preferred a different call by the referee". This would mean "clear mistake" in your suggestion, although <20% think, that it is a mistake at all.
However, even if the majority opinion is "clear mistake", opinions, who think, it is in the grey area must be respected, if they are supported by arguments.
Wow, decisive PK by Bastien! Spot-on holding.
ReplyDeleteIMO soft.
DeleteLast minutes might be very challenging.
Very challenging now for Bastien... hot minutes. He should add many minutes of added time.
ReplyDeleteHe added only 4 minutes.
DeleteSo dirty from Olympiacos, throwing balls into the pitch...Bastien is very angry. More time added.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely unsporting by Greek fans, AC Milan reported now that players were disturbed by a terrible noise from the stands during all the attacking phases and it was impossible to play. This in addition to the ball thrown into the pitch...
ReplyDeleteI think Bastien should have managed better the end of the game, by adding more minutes or extending the added time. This is what I can notice.
I agree with you maybe 1 or 2 more minutes would have been better. I noticed a weird noise too watching the game.
DeleteAgree.
DeleteI watched Bastien in full.
ReplyDeleteGenerally his performance was quite good, rigourous card selection in which he was consistent (missed YC for studs tackle at 29' however). His usual distance from players but also eminently reasonable attitude was present. Calculation of additional time was not adequate in either half, one must say specially 2H. Foul detection was good.
It was clear to me he has ready for the match for the match he was going in to, he delivered a smart piece of refereeing, but...
The penalty was really unwise decision. Technically (rather, isolatedly) one can call it acceptable, but it really isn't enough to 'decide' such an important match for my taste. Defender barely has a hold of attacker, very little impact on his ability to play the ball. I am convinced this is a perception mistake to be honest; Frenchman I suspect will be disappointed watching the replay in the debrief. I agree though that VAR would support this, as well as UEFA referee observer most likely in terms of marks. But surely, not a preferable decision by Bastien.
Fully agree with your report Mikael.
Delete100% a penalty. Match importance does not matter in this case. Such a blatant foul should always be called. Defender has clear hold of attacker and impacts ability to play the ball. I think Bastian will be impressed with his performance tonight and I hope more refs have the confidence to make such critical decisions when it matters. This blatant grabbing in the box stuff on corners needs to stop imo.
DeleteIn situations like Oliver in the Madrid Juve game last year and Bastien tonight or even the Cakir Nani red card a few years back we do not give enough applause to our refs for having the confidence to make big decisions at critical moments even though it would be more comfortable to take the easy way out. Refs should have the ability to call what they see regardless of the sitution, unfortunately this does not always exist so when it does we should praise our refs and show them as examples. This mentality of "it is a big game pretend you didnt see it" is wrong imo and holding back some of our refs from reaching full potential.
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