Second set of referee appointments for Round of 16 games of 2021/22 Champions League.
16 February 2022
21:00 CET - Salzburg (Stadion Salzburg)
FC Salzburg (AUT) - FC Bayern München (GER)
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Peter Bennett (ENG)
Fourth Official: David Coote (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Darren England (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kyros Vassaras (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: Kurt Zuppinger (SUI)
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Peter Bennett (ENG)
Fourth Official: David Coote (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Darren England (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kyros Vassaras (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: Kurt Zuppinger (SUI)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: Markus Tiefgraber (AUT)
21:00 CET - Milan (Stadio Giuseppe Meazza)
FC Internazionale Milano (ITA) - Liverpool FC (ENG)
FC Internazionale Milano (ITA) - Liverpool FC (ENG)
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Pawel Sokolnick (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Fourth Official: Pawel Raczkowski (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Emil Bozhinovski (MKD)
UEFA Delegate: Radenko Mijatović (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Pawel Sokolnick (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Fourth Official: Pawel Raczkowski (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Emil Bozhinovski (MKD)
UEFA Delegate: Radenko Mijatović (SVN)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: Matteo Russo (ITA)
Excellent moment for Marciniak, after a remarkable group stage, he gets again Liverpool against an Italian team. He officiated Liverpool - Milan in group stage. Also, the fact that he gets big assignments now means, still in my opinion, that he is not "immediately" seen as candidate for a final, but of course in case of positive performance he can manage to get the last act of EL, maybe.
ReplyDeleteI think that after all what happened with him in past, the process of recovering is still long, but surely he is managing success so far.
I read your discussions on the blog, and about FIFA we can't know, in this case the situation is more difficult to read, we can easily think that at moment for some referees there can be clearly different views by both UEFA and FIFA.
About Oliver, his appointment in Salzburg can be explained by the English teams in the other games, the Italian teams for which he is still out (and I hope that this will end soon) and maybe an assignment for Taylor in another Round of 16 game to follow.
Taylor could get the Barcelona vs Napoli match in the EL. He didn't have a game this weekend.
DeleteI don't think so. This phase of UEL is going to the First Categorie Referees and not Elite. Maybe some Elite guys will be VAR like Slavko Vincic last season.
DeleteBig game for Marciniak,good luck Polish team
ReplyDeleteDebut for Mr England (England) as an official FIFA referee
ReplyDeleteHe has been FIFA assistant referee for years in past, reaching games like EL quarterfinals with Atkinson.
DeleteReally ? Darren England, now main official, is a former international assistant ?
Delete@f Yes, that's totally true.
DeleteThis is quite common in England
DeleteYes, great appointment for Marciniak! I like him a lot.
ReplyDeleteAgree with Chefren; I don't expect Marciniak to be an immediate (CL) final candidate this year as well. This should be a possibility within 2-3 years though if he stays consistent/in form for a longer period.
Besides that, if you start analyzing the appointments of former CL-refs like Mateu/Skomina/Mazic, they all had something "in common" if you ask me: not too much in focus. It seems like, the committee has an early favourite every year?
Mariniciak - With his experience, a Semi final would be possible this year and for sure a logical path, if he keeps showing good performances. I hope so.
In my opinion this is another confirmation that Taylor is above Oliver under Rosetti eyes (I share this opinion too). I see this game as the easiest from the whole 8, even less challenging than the one in Lisbon. There is no way Oliver will get a game in QF of UCL, maybe in UEL/UECL.
ReplyDeleteGood game for Marciniak.
We could also add as argument a rather weak Group Stage for Oliver in CL with the mistakes in Dortmund.
DeleteThe truth is that this is the only game on paper he could get!!! Aside from 4 other ties that has English teams, the remaining 4 has one Italian team and then the Real Madrid vs PSG and that brings 2 games where it was either this one he was appointed to or Benfica vs Ajax, his last GS game involved Ajax and wasn’t so good, this was the only game he could be appointed for. If there was a computer simulation is used on appointments just like how UCL draw is done with all possible factors, he will get Salzburg vs Bayern 9/10 times.
DeleteAgree... No other possible options.
DeleteAgree with that, no options in UCL, but even a game in UEL was preferably. Leipzig - Sociedad or Sevilla - Zagreb look very suitable for him. Now he got a totally umbalaced game, I don't think Oliver should be too happy about it. No Italian teams, no English teams and a weak group stage performance - of course he miss a lot of chances.
DeleteTrust me Oliver would have wanted a Knockout game in UCL, he hasn’t gotten one in the last 2 years due to COVID regulations and it’s always one a referee would choose over its equivalent in UEL but that being said, Taylor has been way way ahead of Oliver in UEFA for the past two years and it should not even be a topic if discussion anymore by the level of Games Taylor has gotten over time which had included 2 finals. There is really no battle between Taylor and Oliver in UEFA, Taylor ahead by a margin, Oliver still has time.
DeleteIt doesn't make me pleasure either to compare Oliver and Taylor. But some people came with the fancy idea that Oliver could go to WC instead of Taylor, thing that I consider impossible and laughable because of the reason above.
DeleteWhy not both go the World Cup?
DeleteAt the current predictions, and using previous World Cups as a gauge, expectation of only one English refereeing team will go to Qatar. Which currently is between Taylor and Oliver.
DeleteOther countries have sent two referees to the world cup in recent times, most recently the USA, and Mexico many times before that. True that CONCACAF refereeing isn't as deep as UEFA, but I don't think it would be crazy. In my opinion, both Taylor and Oliver deserve a World Cup spot, I would like to see that happen.
DeleteBig appointment for Marciniak, congratulation ! I think that he is fully recovered at high level.
ReplyDeleteIf applied, I really appreciate the strategy to keep potential candidates for final match in the shadow and not under the spot. It's too risky, you could fire the man for the final. I remember some years ago when Skomina was obliged to officiated the return leg of the semifinal due to lack of reliable referee and his mistakes exclude him for the final match, despite the fact he was the strongest candidate. If Rosetti has in mind Taylor for the CL final match, it's safe to appoint him for low profile match or even in EL; on other hand I guess that if Marciniak will perform well in 16th CL, he could be a good proposal for EL final match.
Watching the three final matches I see a pool composed by: Taylor, Makkelie and Turpin (CL), Marciniak, Del Cerro Grande, Karasev and Hategan (EL and UCL)
I am not a fan of such a strategy.
DeleteIMO it would be better to have around 5 candidates for the final and use them in the big matches in R16 and QF. And then you pick the referee, who performed best in those matches and give him the final.
I agree however with your pool of final candidates.
I tend to agree with those names.
DeleteObviously there is not one single candidate for CL final, as all the three names you suggest have a domestic team in the competition. This is a big difference compared to 2018 (Mazic) and 2019 (Skomina), who were kept away from the spotlight very early in that season.
I am definitely more inclined to have a pool of officials of 6 candidates for the Final like Philipp has stated. It gives you a better look at the referees and award the Final, SF's based on performance and not trying to protect them from a bad performance.
DeleteI agree with the pool of the UCL, UEL, UECL Final candidates. Very much so to occur.
Then I would like to challenge you to provide 6 names that are “ready” and really “trusted” by the committee. Preferably referees that have (at least) the following experience:
Delete-Final EL / Supercup; or
-Semi final CL / EURO / WC
*To add a small side-note to previous post:
Delete-Marciniak (supercup) missed the EURO and is just back to business.
-Karasev: a Supercup and CL final within one year is not likely.
I like the idea of a bigger pool, but unfortunately the Elite top is super narrow.
OK, but one could say, that trusting more referees and using them like CL final candidates would automatically broaden the top Elite.
DeleteAs for the additional names: We basically have listed them as EL final candidates - and I am now realizing, Vincic is missing in that list - above. So you still have the choice of 3 out of 5 to get to a total of 6 candidates.
Indeed, most of them are lacking the experience of a CL SF, but that's an omission of the past. Actually only Makkelie has done one.
CL final refs of the past 10 years, including their age and the "path" they have followed internationally:
Delete2021: Mateu Lahoz (44 years)
-CL: 3 semi finals (2007, 2019, 2020)
-WC 2018 (group)
2020: Orsato (44 years)
-CL: 2 QF’s.
2019: Skomina (42 years)
-Super cup 2013
-Europa League final (2017)
-CL: 3 semi finals (2013, 2016, 2018)
-EURO 2012(QF), EURO 2016 (QF), WC 2018 (’16)
2018: Mazic (45 years)
-Super cup (2017)
-Confederations cup (2017)
-CL: 3 QF’s (2014, 2015, 2016)
-WC2014 (group), EURO 2016 (’16)
2017: Brych (41 years)
-Europa league final (2014)
-CL: 1x semi final (2012)
-EURO 2016 (QF), WC 2014 (group stage)
2016: Clattenburg (41 years)
-Olympics final (2012)
-Super cup (2015)
-CL: 2 Semi’s (2015, 2016)
2015: Cakir (38 years)
-FIFA CWC final (2013)
-CL: 1x semi final (2012)
-EURO 2012 (Semi final), WC 2014 (Semi final)
2014: Kuipers (41 years)
-UEFA Super cup (2012)
-Europa League final (2013)
-FIFA Confederations cup (2013)
-CL: 1x semi final (2013)
-EURO 2012 (group)
2013: Rizzoli (41 years)
-Europa League final (2010)
-CL: 2 QF’s (2010, 2011)
-EURO 2012 (QF)
2012: Proenca (41 years)
-CL: 1x semi final (2011)
2011: Kassai (35 years)
-Olympics final (2008)
-WC 2010 (semi final)
We can see a clear pattern if you ask me. The referee in a CL final has officiated at least
Delete1) The EL final or Supercup; or
2) has a Semi-final experience in CL, EURO or WC.
Orsato is the only exception.
Besides that, the most referees are 40+ years old. Motivation purposes?
The supercup and CL final in the same year never happened before. Moreover, a CL final straight the year after an EL final almost never happens. The exception is Kuipers.
Call me stupid but I like to analyze (not so important) details :D
I think a referee should take it step by step. First semi final and than final. This rule could not apply this year because of the lack of options. Only Makkelie has a semifinal but I warn again. If Makkelie get the final this season, next year the candidates list could become even narrower than it is now. This happens when you overuse Brych and Kuipers...
Delete@Matei14: agree that Kuipers and Brych were over-used.
DeleteI see, there are some typo's in post above.
Clattenburg Super cup: 12 August 2014. CL final: 28 May 2016.
Mazic Super cup: 9 August 2016. CL Final: 26 May 2018.
Two European finals within one year seems highly unlikely. Based on that unwritten rule, Karasev might be not a candidate this year, however could be in the running for next year.
I'm not sure about Anthony Taylor and his Nations league final. The NL-final is not considered one of the the big 4 in Europe. Maybe he has a chance if others fail in KO-stage and no English teams are in the final.
Marciniak officiated the Supercup and could IMO be a candidate if he has a smashing KO-stage and others fail.
There aren't that many candidates. The appointment strategy of keeping potential candidates away from high profile matches is likely to happen (again).
Actually, it is crazy that Makkelie is the only referee with a CL-Semi final experience.
DeleteThe Committee should introduce at least 3-4 new names to the CL Semi finals this year, to avoid a small pool next year.
For me we should see consistently in the semi final Cakir, Oliver, Marciniak and Karasev. That way you can add 3 more candidates for the CL final in the next few years.
DeleteI would love clarity on this and refer to the first leg of the EFL Cup Semi Final at Anfield between Liverpool and Arsenal where Xhaka was red carded, we can say two offenses occurred in that scene, DOGSO and SFP and the referee realizes that the 2 offenses occurred, what does he sanction for, although it’s both a red card but what does he right in his match report, in the affomentioned example Michael Oliver gave a red Card for DOGSO which in turn reduced his matches he would be suspended for to two games compared to 4 he would have gotten for SFP( revived a red card this season so that’s why we have additional matches to the sanction). Is there any scale of preference or is it the most serious offense (although this is majorly for two separate offenses that occurs simultaneously )
ReplyDeleteBy the Way Stuart Attwell selected as the final referee for the above competition between Chelsea and Liverpool and Darren England VAR. Good luck to the team.
DeleteIt might depend on the competition, but the referee should be able to write some remark about the RC, which then is considered for the ban.
DeleteE.g., if the player does something after the RC, it must also be possible for the referee to report.
When two offences happen at the same time, in this case DOGSO and SFP, you punish the most serious offence. The physical offence (SFP) is always more serious than the tactical offence (DOGSO). So if I was writing the report I would say the red card is for SFP and just mention that the foul was also DOGSO and let the relevant authorities decide the punishment.
DeleteA question before knowing the first appointments for UECL KO stage tomorrow: what do you think about the category of referees to be appointed in this stage of the competition? To ask it in other words: do you think it will be possible to see Category 1 in semifinals and maybe even in the final?
ReplyDeleteMaking a prediction, in my opinion we could see Category 1 until the semifinals, but then for the final an Elite should be expected.
Also, unclear whether UECL KO stage appointments will be strictly related to Winter Course attendance, but I think so, it would be very particular to see Category 2 at this stage.
Of course only a guess, but I think, from QF on we will see only Elite referees in UECL. I mean, there are now 32 Elite referees, who need matches, so using 24 of them for the quarterfinals seems sensible. That still needs some for a direct SF or to be completely left out.
DeleteIn the upcoming UECL play-offs (bit confusing to name them like the round before the GS, isn't it?) I expect mostly those referees, who worked regularly in EL GS, but not in CL - independent from their category.
And yes, probably only those, who participated in the course.
So some names for this Thursday could be Dabanovic, Ivanov, Jovic, Kehlet, Kruzliak, Lechner, Mariani, Nyberg.
*"leaves" instead of "needs" in the third sentence
DeleteMaybe also relevant that there is no VAR in Conference League, so referees without domestic VAR might be used better there than in EL. On the other hand, EL KO stage would give them the opportunity to gain VAR experience.
I think with UCL and UEL occurring simultaneously with UECL, Cat 1 referees will be used for UECL KO stage ties until the Final which it more likely be a Elite referee. There are 32 Elite referees that will be appointed across UCL and UEL around respective country designations.
DeleteUECL will be a fantastic proving ground for Cat 1 referees, more so for referees from countries that do not employ domestic VAR as Philipp S stated above. I think Cat 1 referees deserve the chance for high pressure matches for the remainder of the year.
I am 99% sure that the newly promoted Horatiu Fesnic will get a match. Possible a big game, with an important observer as he missed the Tottenham - Rennes with Dallas. Fesnic last appointment domestically was an easy game on 10, so enough time to prepare. If not now, than in second leg. However, I have not checked, but as I remember Fesnic was not at the winter course.
DeleteYes, he is not on the course list.
DeleteAnd I would rather be surprised to see him in KO stage after only one GS match (although he was planned for a second one).
Maybe he is a good candidate for the final matches of Youth League though.
His promotion suprised me a little bit. No because he would not deserve but because of the lack of games. We`ll see, but I repeat, I think he will get a game.
DeleteA few promotions are made on the nationality of referees, no matter the games. Dallas planned an observation but the promotion was sure.
DeleteFully agree with Philippe
ReplyDeleteI see opportunity for several 1st category in the 16th and play off but since QF it would be a non sense having 32 élite and not use them in the 24 matches
It is reported that Guuida and Mariani are appointed, very likely Mariani in Conference League, we wil see that in a few time.
ReplyDeleteGözübüyük Porto-Lazio, Makkelie Sheriff-Braga.
ReplyDeleteSource: https://www.knvb.nl/nieuws/scheidsrechters/aanstellingen/65851/g%C3%B6z%C3%BCb%C3%BCy%C3%BCk-en-makkelie-fluiten-donderdag-europa-league
KNVB stated that Makkelie and Gözübüyük both are appointed in Europa League.
ReplyDelete21:00 CET - Porto (Estádio do Dragão)
FC Porto (POR) - SS Lazio (ITA)
Referee: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Joost van Zuilen (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Johan Balder (NED)
Fourth Official: Jeroen Manschot (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer:
UEFA Delegate:
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer:
18:45 CET - Tiraspol (Sheriff Stadium)
FC Sheriff Tiraspol (MOL) - SC Braga (POR)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Rob Dieperink (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer:
UEFA Delegate:
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer:
A day with Sergei Karasev, interesting instagram story:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/18006557455384894/
How much time will Marciniak add to the game today? It will be interesting to see whether he will apply the same calculations for added time as he did at the Arab Cup :)
ReplyDeleteA few more seconds would have been better at the end of first half...
DeleteClose to 30 minutes in first half and a good Marciniak: alert when needed. Partiular attention to conflicts before set pieces, some good spots. Game not very challenging so far, but still a good appearance.
ReplyDeleteI was impressed with his performance in the first half. Didnt put a foot wrong IMO. Until the whistle for halftime. I think Salah had a good chance to run free on goal.. at least it looked like it. Those situations can look worse than they are sometimes, as the defenders stop defending when they hear the whistle (and the strikers still drible some meters).
DeleteCorrect no penalty decision by Oliver. If there was a (slight) contact, it did not cause the fall. The attacker wanted to go down and even tried to initiate another contact.
ReplyDeleteNothing important in the first half of INTLIV and it's a mixed bag in my opinion. Marciniak, as Orsato yesterday, allows much physical play and was not impressed by some severly-looking falls by INT players (34', 38') but he also ignored/missed two careless-reckless fouls deserving at least a stern warning (12', 27'). After not reacting to mutual holding at corner kick in 9', he solved analogical situations very well later in the game, as Chefren said. Two minutes were correctly added to the 1H but whistling for the half-time exactly at 45+2:00 with LIV creating a quick attack was not necessary as the small injury break initiated at 44:40 finished after 45:00, so that final attack by LIV could have been allowed.
ReplyDeleteFair play to you ESR, also being a bit critic of your countryman ;)
DeleteI always try to be as objective and analytical as possible and sometimes it's treated like I'm against specific referees when pointing out their mistakes or bad performances (like some Polish supporters of Marciniak suggested here in the past ;)) but I always try to get the overview, not basing my opinion on one or two big situations.
DeleteAnother good no PK-decision by Oliver in 60'.
ReplyDeleteClose to simulation by Müller IMO, very theatrical fall.
Great Marciniak today in Milanl
ReplyDeleteAgree. Great performance. Top class!
Delete70 minutes played and not a single caution in either match. Rather unusual I'm sure
ReplyDeleteI have a certain feeling that Marciniak wants to keep his cards until the end without showing them. So far it is still OK, next minutes will say more. I see him with a particular attitude that reminds me the old Marciniak, hopefully I'm not wrong!
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion a full expected level performance by Marciniak. This game was not challenging like PSG - Real, that's clear, but it was imprtant for me to do well and he appeared very focused, if you ask me. My mark would be 8.4. No very particular situations to be mentioned. Another assignment in CL for the Polish could follow, but maybe EL before...
ReplyDeleteI agree with your assessment, Chefren. Good, expected level if not even 8.5 because of great connection with players and benches. We know that modern refereeing bases on football understanding, balancing the calls and ability to reach (key) players in order to prevent and anticipate bad events. Marciniak is masterclass under these aspects and therefore I can understand FIFA's/UEFA's will to have him at the World Cup.
DeleteOne can also observe the strong reactions against dissenting behaviour in 13' and 59', according to last UEFA's instructions.
Technically, some yellow cards could have been issued (12', 17', 27', 47', 82', 90+3') and one needs to re-watch these incidents to have a good judgement but I guess no or maximum one mandatory yellow card has been missed and it's not so important anymore in modern refereeing, especially when the overall reception is (very) positive.
Marciniak can be satisfied. He will surely get another CL appointment and perhaps is in a pole position to handle this season's EL final.
Any chance for Marciniak with CL final this season?
DeleteIn my opinion CL final would be too early for Marciniak not for his career but based on what had happened in recent past to the Polish; the optimal choice in case of further positive performances is EL final for this year and then having a very storng candidate for CL final next year. I say that because there are for sure other candidates for CL final who had a linear path in recent past so for this reason appointing Marciniak would be a bit particular if compared to them. But surely the next performances will say everything before all the rest.
Delete@ ESR, what do you mean by "no or maximum one mandatory yellow card has been missed and it's not so important anymore in modern refereeing"? Maybe the referees don't follow the LOTG anymore and don't need their cards??? Maybe the football rules are not valid for them anymore????
DeleteI strongly condemn such a way of thinnking because football is not for the referees. Strictly in the football world you should understand once and forever that referees do not GIVE cards - they are EARNED by the opposite team, by a good attacking action, for example, and referees cannot steal from them. There are also a lot of spheres of life connected with football and immediately in mind come for example the people who bet on cards for living, which is absolutely legal in most of the countries. Maybe if referees refused to show mandatory cards, these people should start thinking that the referees are involved in ilegal actions?!
The LOTG and showing the cards, as a part of them, are MANDATORY for the referees and everybody involved in refereeing should always remember this.
Europe.kasarev/marcianiak?
ReplyDeleteVideos from Marciniak's game:
ReplyDeletehttps://we.tl/t-fkfXY9asCU
If you start comparing Orsato with Marciniak, it’s a difference between day and night.
ReplyDeleteOrsato chose the no-nonsense approach and strictly followed the LOTG. Regarding Marciniak, I would call it the ‘managing approach’. Using his personality and communication skills, interacting with player’s in a preventive way and for him, it works. Speaking of this aspect, I 100% agree with ESR: Marciniak is one of the best out there.
Speaking of this specific aspect, it might be interesting to analyze other aspects within refereeing as well, and to highlight the strongest aspects of the current generation Elite referees? For example:
-Match fitness
-Positioning
-Technically
-Card management
-Match feel
-Match control
-Football understanding
-Body language (confidence)
-Mimics and strong facial expressions
-Working under high pressure
-Communication/interacting with players (more general: player management)
-De-escalte (outbursts)
-Decision making (in a common-sense way)
-etc. etc.
-Soft skills
Delete-Charisma
Oh well, can go on for a while :)
IMO wrong decision and he should have at least waited a bit to allow VAR to check in case of goal.
ReplyDelete