Thursday 24 February 2022

Europa League 2021/22 - Referee Appointments - KO Play-offs (II)

Return legs of 2021/22 UEFA Europa League KO Play-offs, referee appointments.


24 February 2022

18:45 CET - Zagreb (Stadion Maksimir)
GNK Dinamo (CRO) - Sevilla FC (ESP)
Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Cyril Mugnier (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Mehdi Rahmouni (FRA)
Fourth Official: Jérémy Stinat (FRA) 
Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Vítor Melo Pereira (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Jeroen Roest (NED)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: Ivica Modrić (CRO)

18:45 CET - Piraeus (Stadio Georgios Karaiskakis)
Olympiacos FC (GRE) - Atalanta BC (ITA)
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP) 
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: Javier Alberola Rojas (ESP) 
Video Assistant Referee:  Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Fritz Stuchlik (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Eugène Westerink (NED)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: Eleni Lampadariou (GRE) 

18:45 CET - Rome (Stadio Olimpico)
S.S. Lazio (ITA) - FC Porto (POR)
Referee: Deniz Aytekin (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Christian Dietz (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Dominik Schaal (GER) 
Fourth Official: Martin Petersen (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER) Bastian Dankert (GER) Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER) Christian Dingert (GER)  Bastian Dankert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Tomasz Mikulski (POL)
UEFA Delegate: Alojzije Šupraha (CRO)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: Fabio Liberatori (ITA)

18:45 CET - Donostia-San Sebastián (Estadio de Anoeta)
Real Sociedad de Fútbol (ESP) - RB Leipzig (GER) 
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: Peter Bankes (ENG) 
Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Darren England (ENG) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Niikolai Levnikov (RUS) 
UEFA Delegate: Andrey Medintsev (BUL)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: Jon Aguirre Huerga (ESP) 

21:00 CET - Seville (Estadio Benito Villamarín)
Real Betis Balompié (ESP) - Football Club Zenit (RUS)
Referee: Halil Umult Meler (TUR) 
Assistant Referee 1: Mustafa Emre Eyisoy (TUR) 
Assistant Referee 2: İbrahim Çağlar Uyarcan (TUR)
Fourth Official: Arda Kardeşler (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Abdulkadir Bitigen (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alain Hamer (LUX) 
UEFA Delegate: Paul Tompkins (ENG)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: Jagoba Riveiro Zafra (ESP) 

21:00 CET - Naples (Stadio Diego Armando Maradona) 
SSC Napoli (ITA) - FC Barcelona (ESP)
Referee: Sergei Karasev (RUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Igor Demeshko (RUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Alexey Lunev (RUS)
Fourth Official: Kirill Levnikov (RUS) 
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Peter Sippel (GER) 
UEFA Delegate: Joëll Pierre Henri Wolff (LUX) 
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: Giorgio Castronuovo (ITA) 

21:00 CET - Braga (Estádio Municipal de Braga)
SC Braga (POR) - FC Sheriff Tiraspol (MDA)
Referee: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Raúl Cabañero Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: José Enrique Naranjo Pérez (ESP) 
Fourth Official: César Soto Grado (ESP) 
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: José Luis Munuera Montero (ESP) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Jørn West Larsen (DEN)
UEFA Delegate: Tammo Beishuizen (NED)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: Fernando Paulo Duarte Ferreira (POR)

21:00 CET - Glasgow (Ibrox Stadium)
Rangers FC (SCO) - Borussia Dortmund (GER)
Referee: Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP) 
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto del Palomar (ESP) 
Fourth Official: Santiago Jaime Latre (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Xavier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Konrad Plautz (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Loukas Siotropos (GRE)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: Stewart Shearer (SCO) 
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  1. Spanishref22 February 2022 at 10:08

    Del Cerro Grande for Olympiacos FC- Atalanta

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  2. Anonymous22 February 2022 at 10:15

    Hmm low profile game for Taylor. What could be the purpose? Either a big game in CL 2nd leg or maybe he even is a CL final candidate?

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    1. Refsav22 February 2022 at 12:05

      If he gets both Nations league final and CL final in one season it will be unusual

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  3. Chefren22 February 2022 at 10:58

    I didn't expect Aytekin in Rome, it will be surely a very important test for the German, after rather less sonorous games in all his previous appearances, including CL assignments. This is also because, my idea, Zwayer is at moment in the difficult situation we discussed about, otherwise he would have got this game instead of Aytekin.
    Personally, I hope that Aytekin will show a good performance, there has been many criticisms by Italian teams in past and his style didn't work sometimes in games with teams from certain countries.
    We remember the first leg in Porto. I will be very curious to watch him. Karasev in Napoli - Barcelona could have been expected, better to start with EL, due to Russian winter break, but it is still a big match and a top assignment, very clear how much committe considers him a top Elite. Del Cerro in Athens with a rather below expectations assignment, he must gain again the trust by committee before getting CL KO stage, and his appointment in the major competition at moment is not sure like other referees. Mateu Lahoz appointment confirms our ideas about the "new treatment" by committee, still a quite good game, but he is not used anymore like before. Normal appointment for the New Elite Sánchez Martínez in Braga, and it is interesting to point out that, of the three Spanish appointments, he gets in my opinion the "best" VAR, Hernández Hernández. I can explain that by the need of giving more experience to him, while Del Cerro and Mateu have already it on the pitch.
    Quite good game for Umut Meler in Spain, no trust by committee in Turkish VAR, for Turkish referees we seee always Italian VARs, indeed the Turkish VARs were not invited to course. The same must be said for Russian VAR, but the feeling is that what happened in some recent Cakir's games was not liked at all by committee.
    Taylor in EL, like Makkelie and Turpin. The game for the English in this set of appointments is on paper a bit more sonorous, but I think one shouldn't analyze too much that: I see all three in similar conditions, they will get assignments in CL Round of 16 second legs, and they are candidates for CL final. Taylor seems the quite unlikely due to strong English clubs and also because he has already officiated two UEFA finals in recent times (SC and NL), but committee in case wouldn't have problems in appointing him if needed.

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    1. Anonymous22 February 2022 at 12:10

      Taylor could be a good 'back-up' option if for example a French adn Dutch team meet in the final.

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  4. Chiagozie22 February 2022 at 12:05

    Stuart Attwell not with Taylor and wasn’t with Oliver, it could be one of 2 things!!! Either he is no longer a trusted VAR for UEFA or he is not with Taylor this week because he is to prepare for the Carabao cup Final between Liverpool and Chelsea.

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  5. Anonymous22 February 2022 at 13:04

    I also didn’t expect Aytekin in Rome. Hope he can do a great job!

    Some referees are considered to be good referees in their domestic league, like Bastien, Aytekin, etc. but can’t make it the top of Elites. I really wonder why their style (so far) didn’t work internationally. What could be the reason? Is it a non-modern style, a language barrier, too much nerves, or something else?

    That being said: the past years we saw IMO some patterns in appointment strategy, especially when it comes up to difficult ‘Hot-tempered’ teams. Particularly the referees that are not ‘too distanced’ and well-known for their player management were often appointed to such clashes.
    Now that for example Brych, Skomina, Kuipers etc. all have retired, it can be interesting to watch who will get those ‘difficult clashes’ (also for the purpose of the WC 2022 and a potential South-American clash).

    The first one that comes in mind is Marciniak. For this reason, I definitely think he will go to WC2022, because his ‘managing’ style could work very well at a World Cup. Maybe Siebert could be a good candidate for such difficult clashes as well?

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  6. Chiagozie22 February 2022 at 13:15

    Chefren can you probably look into this? Of all 16 matches in Europa league so far, 15 went to Elites referees except one which went to Guida if I am not mistaken, I am thinking that match was meant for Massa , is Massa alright or it’s a sign that Guida was also to be promoted as Elite but could not promote 2 Italians at the same time but will be probably promoted next time.

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    1. Chefren22 February 2022 at 13:24

      Yes Guida the only Category 1 referee appointed in EL in this round, Seville - Dinamo Zagreb. This can be indeed particular, but to be honest for Massa I expected rather a better appointment than the one in Seville, on paper. Massa is also the only new Elite referee not appointed so far, all the other ones got games. I don't know whether there are particular reasons, because Massa has been always available in serie A, so in case he could have been appointed in Europe. A day after the game in Sevilla, he officiated Juventus - Torino.
      Also, there are other Elite referees still not appointed.
      We will see which UEFA game will get Massa on March.

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  7. Dominik M.23 February 2022 at 11:50

    Another change for Aytekin's VAR team. Dingert now VAR and Dankert AVAR in Lazio-Porto. I've only seen it now and don't know when they swapped the positions. But if it was only today then maybe an indication that UEFA expected a VAR intervention yesterday?

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    1. Anonymous23 February 2022 at 11:58

      No, the change was already published before yesterday's matches.

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    2. Dominik M.23 February 2022 at 12:24

      Ah ok, thanks! :)

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  8. Mikael W24 February 2022 at 08:47

    Tonight may be Karasëv’s last international appointment for a while…

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    1. smala01724 February 2022 at 11:14

      Why might it be? Obviously we all know of the situation in Ukraine and Russia’s involvement in that, but how would that affect Karasev directly?

      On a similar note, I wonder what Rosetti is going to do with the 2, possibly 4, WCQ playoff games involving Russia. Am I wrong to think that there is a good chance that they will seek referees from outside the continent for those games? I can’t think of too many European countries that aren’t indirectly involved with the conflict.

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    2. smala01724 February 2022 at 11:16

      * correction, 1 possibly 2 games involving Russia. I forgot that the ties are two-legged anymore.

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    3. smala01724 February 2022 at 14:24

      *AREN’T two-legged anymore, ugh

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    4. Anonymous24 February 2022 at 14:27

      Tommorrow UEFA will take the CL Final away from St. Petersburg. A decision without any alternative outcome.
      Today you cannot make big differences between sports and politics. Everything goes together and is connected, so I agree that we won't see Russian officials in the near future.

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    5. f24 February 2022 at 16:37

      Fully agree; unfortunately ion front of such dramatic situation sport and politics cannot be divided. I wrote it in the CL post on 21st February but I was criticized by "@icedteatower21" It could really be a long stop for Karasev while Russia team could be banned by WC skipping qualification round

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    6. Lde24 February 2022 at 18:33

      It makes me angry when they write "politics." There is a war going on. Sorry.

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    7. smala01724 February 2022 at 20:12

      To be honest I don’t fully understand the point you guys are making. Why does the conflict in Ukraine mean UEFA must ban Russian referees? I don’t see how the referees have anything to do with it.

      It is a different story if the other European governments impose sanctions on Russia that make it logistically impossible for Karasev to work abroad. But he should not be treated as “guilty by association”; he has absolutely no control over the actions of his country’s military.

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    8. usaref24 February 2022 at 22:11

      A) An action would be taken against the Russian football federation, so it would encompass Karasev.

      B) From a political perspective, given the current and likely to be escalated response from Western European governments, exactly which clubs do you think are going to want Karasev as a "neutral" referee?

      I agree with Mikael and, indeed, thought of it last night on my own. I don't think ou're going to see Karasev again soon if UEFA takes what I view as the expected action of banning all Russian clubs.

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  9. Hans24 February 2022 at 14:29

    @Smala017. Two reasons. 1. Sanctians againt Russians citizens. F.E. From now on, Belgium refuses to admit any Russian to Belgium as a sanction. 2 The dynamics that have now arisen around Russia, as a result of which, for example, the CL final is also being moved

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  10. Chefren24 February 2022 at 15:19

    Indeed today can be the last international game for Karasev before a possible long time of forced stop. Too early to discuss about, but surely his participation to WC should be considered in danger right now, because even if everything will end, there could be decisions against his country.

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    1. Mikael W24 February 2022 at 15:31

      https://twitter.com/MikaelReferee/status/1496141237828698130

      :)

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    2. Peter24 February 2022 at 19:22

      The situation could become even more complicated. Let's assume that prospective opponents of the Russian national team or of Russian clubs refuse to play against Russia. Most probably, they would be banned (at least) from the current competition. But what, if (too) many other teams act the same way?

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  11. John M24 February 2022 at 15:47

    If this comment isn't appropriate I understand. I love your commentary on officials and their management styles, in relation to the team's temperament and team tactics.
    That being said, my question is something that occurred in I believe in the first leg of one of CL games. It involved Lakaku. I am sorry I can't remember the teams.
    He received a pass while in an offside position in the box. The AR kept the flag down. The TV showed him being offside when he received the pass. He took a shot on t j.g e keeper who deflected it over the end line. The restart was a corner kick. Question why a corner kick when he was clearly offside when he received the pass, VAR would have seen it too. Why a corner? If he would have scored VAR protocol would have ruled him offside.
    Thank you for your time.

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    1. Chefren24 February 2022 at 16:32

      I think you are talking about Chelsea - Lille game, indeed it is as you described, had he scored, then VAR would have annulled the goal. But, since goal was not scored and the action was not crucial, VAR didn't intervene, offside wasn't detected due to a mistake by assistant referees, according to protocol, VAR can intervene only in case of goals, red card and/or penalties to correct a decision. I see that many people who are not refereeing expert underline this aspect: indeed, it is particular that the same action is allowed to continue if there isn't any crucial outcome, while in contrary case, VAR intervenes. That's all.

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    2. John M24 February 2022 at 21:05

      Yet.. it is a Violation of Law 11. So with the introduction of VAR, laws can be broken and the perpretraitor gets a BENEFIT!
      You agree that this is wrong?
      Again appreciate your response

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    3. Jackson25 February 2022 at 01:49

      Yes the assistant referee made a mistake, it happens. Move on.

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    4. JR25 February 2022 at 13:37

      Laws could always be broken by mistakes of referees. So nothing new ;)
      But VAR makes it at least possible that major mistakes can be overruled

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  12. Chefren24 February 2022 at 19:14

    Minute 26' in Rome, Aytekin whistles simulation against Porto.
    I think that it is a wrong decision, Lazio's defender puts the leg and there is a contact. Maybe still supportable to play on, but never simulation.

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    1. Chefren24 February 2022 at 19:16

      VAR Called the German: I think this can be accepted, but to me, the only clear thing is that it wasn't simulation, then one can discuss about the penalty due to the attitude of attacker.
      Aytekin with the classic lazy gestures after having watched monitor, never convincing. Lazio's players started with protests.

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    2. JR25 February 2022 at 13:39

      If he didn't see the contact the VAR intervention is fully correct. But I am with you, soft penalty.

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  13. Anonymous24 February 2022 at 19:15

    In Rome wrong YC for simulation, then Var intervention wrong (26'). Soft penalty given by Aytekin

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  14. Chefren24 February 2022 at 19:22

    Lazio - Porto penalty decision:
    https://streamgg.com/v/6217cb4c415cc

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    1. Dominik M.24 February 2022 at 19:30

      Rather 'soft' penalty for me due to the exaggerated fall by the attacker but contact is definitely visible and probably has to be given once looking at it in the review area. YC for simulation is absolutely wrong though and I think that's the main reason VAR intervened. Do you think VAR would have stayed silent if Aytekin would have just played on without whistling for simulation?

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    2. Chefren24 February 2022 at 19:33

      Yes absolutely, that's my idea. And in an extremely strict application of the protocol, maybe this intervention shouldn't have been made at all, but impossible to accept in reality.

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    3. Philipp S24 February 2022 at 19:44

      It's also typical for the German approach, that a clearly wrong perception (Aytekin probably missed the contact completely) is handled similar to a missed incident, i.e. with a lower bar for intervention.

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    4. Chiagozie24 February 2022 at 20:05

      I feel the intervention was made clearly because of wring perception by Aytekin, he said simulation and it wasn’t so VAR had to call him but if he did see it and played on then I don’t think an intervention would have occurred.

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  15. Chefren24 February 2022 at 19:23

    Correct penalty by Taylor in RSO - RBL.

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  16. Chefren24 February 2022 at 19:30

    I didn't expect such poor offside call by a so experienced assistant referee in Athens:
    https://ibb.co/ySCzKC5

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    1. smala01725 February 2022 at 12:18

      To be honest, this looks like a difficult call. The attacker is leaning very close to the halfway line, the only remaining defender is allllll the way across the field, and the ball is all the way to the left, making it hard for the assistant referee to see exactly when it is kicked while also watching the other two components.

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    2. Hanes1 March 2022 at 15:31

      I agree with smala017.

      You wouldn expect an experienced assistant referee to have sympathy with this situation as you would know that this is a very challenging moment.

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  17. Anonymous24 February 2022 at 19:35

    Very good first half by Aytekin, consistent in foul selection and disciplinary management; good acceptance by players, no problems in moving. Unfortunately, the crucial mistake caused by VAR ruined the game.

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  18. Chefren24 February 2022 at 20:11

    Clear penalty to Zagreb whistled by Letexier, handball.

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  19. superstar011024 February 2022 at 20:12

    Well done, Letexier! Correct PK for Dinamo (handball). Very hard to spot it live, probably good communication with AR1.

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  20. Chefren24 February 2022 at 20:13

    Now the game becomes very challenging for Aytekin and he should show more control on it. Porto players could start time wasting and other similar stuff...

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  21. Anonymous24 February 2022 at 20:23

    52' missed corner by AR1
    74' missed YC by Aytekin
    A match plenty of mistakes for the German team

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  22. Chefren24 February 2022 at 20:31

    Second correct penalty by Taylor.

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    1. Philipp S24 February 2022 at 20:40

      Hm, isn't that an example of "position of the arm is a consequence of the player's body movement" as the arms are swinging as part of the running movement?
      Not a clear mistake, but I have some doubts

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  23. Chefren24 February 2022 at 20:43

    News from Napoli - Barcelona, a banner that home-team fans wanted to show at stadium has been rejected by UEFA because described as "POLITICAL MESSAGE". The text was: "No alla Guerra" = "NO TO WAR".

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    1. Hans24 February 2022 at 20:47

      I think this is an expression that you can't reject

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    2. Anonymous24 February 2022 at 20:48

      UEFA is always a circus

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    3. Anonymous24 February 2022 at 20:50

      UEFA's behaviour isn't just disgraceful but sad too.

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    4. various viewpoints24 February 2022 at 21:22

      I suppose there are various perspectives to Hitler's Germany as well, aren't there?

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    5. smala01724 February 2022 at 22:03

      icedteatower I agree with you 100%

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    6. Jackson25 February 2022 at 02:02

      That seems odd to me that UEFA would stop fans from showing a banner but let the players do it.
      https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxRnxcGc-32G4tgpMllKqb_-JX-qMIdMUG

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    7. JR25 February 2022 at 13:43

      @Jackson
      The one banner was allowed because UEFA was asked, the other not.

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  24. Anonymous24 February 2022 at 21:10

    What is it with Lahoz and his spray. Using his spray for a FK 45 yards out

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  25. Chefren24 February 2022 at 21:14

    0-2 by Barcelona good assessment by AR2 of a deliberate play (header) by opponent that annulled an offside position before the score. So far, easy game for the Russian who has shown of being concentrated.

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  26. Chefren24 February 2022 at 21:24

    VAR intervention for changing free kick into penalty after an original outside the box decision by Karasev: correct in my opinion to whistle without card, at maximum you can read a genuine SPA here, if not SPA at all.
    Good concentration I must say by Karasev when he mentally anticipated a possible conflict between attackers and keeper for the ball after the goal scored.

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  27. Chefren24 February 2022 at 21:38

    Correct penalty by Mateu Lahoz, I must say perfect positioning...
    https://streamgg.com/v/6217e3379244d

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    1. VG24 February 2022 at 22:17

      Perfect positioning would be if he was in line with the penalty area. Here he is just close.

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    2. Jackson25 February 2022 at 01:54

      Bit harsh VG.

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  28. Chefren24 February 2022 at 22:23

    1-3 by Barcelona, possible offside:
    https://streamff.com/v/8dfc89
    https://ibb.co/KmmTw08
    I think that Van Boekel had to call Karasev for a possible offside.
    Very strange that the goal was quickly allowed.

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    1. JR25 February 2022 at 13:46

      Strange thst it has been allowed in general

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  29. Ecosse24 February 2022 at 22:27

    Ludicrous var overturn in Glasgow

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  30. Davidcrammond24 February 2022 at 22:28

    OFR for disallowing a Rangers goal by Lahoz. Not a foul in my opinuon

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  31. SCOREREF24 February 2022 at 22:28

    That is a really bad VAR call from De Burgos and Lahoz

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  32. Matthew T24 February 2022 at 22:28

    Incorrect VAR intervention at 68’ for Rangers. Attacker is in front of defender and is kicked, not the other way around. Big error for me.

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  33. Daniel Bailey24 February 2022 at 22:28

    68' Mateu Lahoz disallows a Rangers goal after an OFR for a foul in the build-up. I'm really struggling to see how it could be given Dortmund's way, it looks the other way round

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  34. Chefren24 February 2022 at 22:28

    66' wrong call by De Burgos, never a clear and evident mistake.
    Mateu Lahoz was absolutely annoyed at monitor, he accepted the call but very reluctant.

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    1. JD24 February 2022 at 22:34

      I am very interested in Mikael's opinion here.
      I am quite sure that he Supports the onfield review as I know his opinions in similar situations, right?

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  35. Flip24 February 2022 at 22:29

    Oh, interesting decision by Lahoz in Scotland: Goal disallowed for a foul in the build-up (67'). Definetly supportable IMO, but should VAR get involved here?!

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    1. Flip24 February 2022 at 22:39

      I think the BVB player is about to play the ball (started movement) and the RAN player puts his leg in front of the defender's -> impedes his progress. Disallowing the goal was also not bad tactically in regard to match control.
      Still, with the actual kick by the BVB player, De Burgos should have theoretically stayed silent IMO.

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  36. Ecosse24 February 2022 at 22:30

    Cannot fathom how anyone could see a foul on the Dortmund player there. Lahoz clearly annoyed but should have stuck with his initial call

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    1. Chefren24 February 2022 at 22:33

      See how long time he took before showing the gesture and then indicating final decision... he was about to refuse the call by de Burgos but then for some reasons he accepted that, you can easily read his body language. Very, very angry.
      I would argue, based on this fact, that committee asked refeees not to refuse VAR calls. I can find this explanation... because it was clear that Mateu was furious.

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    2. xabi24 February 2022 at 23:49

      Horrible decision by De Burgos

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  37. Chefren24 February 2022 at 22:43

    Video:
    https://streamgg.com/v/6217f839a71d4
    The player from Rangers anticipates the oppponent and then he is hit.
    In case, should have been foul in favor of Rangers, but even if you want to take the contrary decision, NEVER VAR stuff... this is surely terrible for the imagine of VAR. Rosetti will be very angry.

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    1. Philipp S24 February 2022 at 22:49

      For me, free kick for Dortmund is actually the better decision, because I think, the long step by the Rangers player is more targeted towards his opponent than towards the ball.
      But I agree with everyone, that it is no VAR stuff.

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    2. VG24 February 2022 at 22:54

      Yeah, putting your leg in front of another persons leg like this is a trip. No problem with free kick.

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    3. David24 February 2022 at 23:01

      I like it if UEFA are very clear in situations like that, I dont know if they are (RAPs). IMO, this is a foul. Morelos is not favourite of this ball. If he plays the ball directly at the moment of the trip(or split seconds after), it's not a foul. But he doesnt and for me it's a trip. I like the VARint there, but consistency in these calls is key.

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    4. VictoriaGooner25 February 2022 at 03:32

      IMO this is a direct free kick based on Laws of the Game. When you step across a player who has already began the act of kicking a ball it’s classed as impediment (indirect free kick). If that impediment results in any form of contact it’s a direct free kick - that was specifically raised during preseason in a UEFA referee brief.

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  38. Chefren24 February 2022 at 22:51

    Very crucial call in Seville, disallowed 0-1 by Zenit that would have led game to extra time. Step on foot reported by Valeri to Umut Meler.

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  39. George24 February 2022 at 22:52

    I'm very surprised by the incident in Rangers-Dortmund. Even if the foul is supportable (but barely), it is more a foul on the attacker than on the defense. The VAR intervention is AWFUL, but I can only understand Mateu's decision if what Chefren suggested that the VAR decision must be accepted is true.

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    1. Dondi24 February 2022 at 22:54

      For me also wrong VAR intervention in Sevilla, quite the same

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  40. Chefren24 February 2022 at 23:06

    OFR in Seville, it was not easy to spot this step on foot, but it is objective. Otherwise, be sure, an Italian VAR wouldn't have intervened.
    https://streamgg.com/v/6217fdb9dd0b2
    https://ibb.co/QcGBqss

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    1. Philipp S24 February 2022 at 23:18

      A close-up would be helpful to be completely sure (even with the freeze frame, I am not at 100%) and I am bit surprised, they didn't show one to Meler. But I hope and assume, the VAR has looked at a close-up and gained complete certainty.

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    2. Anonymous25 February 2022 at 11:09

      Shameful and rude.
      Football dies with things like this.

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  41. John M25 February 2022 at 02:00

    Jackson...yes. BUT with VAR identifying offside by a toenail, VAR was monitoring Lakaku and SAW he was offside yet did nothing. On the ensuing corner kick if a goal was scored it was a benefit for a team who violated Law 11. Now a question for you: Will this scenario be mute when Colina's 29 point tracking of offside technology which will implemented for WC this year?

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  42. John M25 February 2022 at 13:33

    2 questions:
    Is there a way to blog the moderator without posting to a specific post?
    Also do you have archives of previous years CL blogs? I.e 2018, 2019, etc.

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    1. Chefren25 February 2022 at 14:22

      You can send private messages to us by using the form at the right column of the blog "Contact us" or by writing a mail to law5blog[at]gmail.com
      About the archives, you can look for old discussion still at the right side of the blog, "Blog Archive". If you want all the posts about a specific competition, like CL, you can use the tags that you can find below every post to see all the other related arguments. For example in this page that you now see by reading this message, click on "Labels: Europa League" and all the other Europa League posts will be loaded.

      Then, about all the rest you asked for, everything is about accepting a referee mistake, VAR has been introduced only for crucial decisions like red cards, goals and offsides, but certain mistakes will still remain, this has never changed in the history of football!

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  43. Philipp S25 February 2022 at 13:54

    It seems, the Russian team (Spartak) is not banned from the competition, but is just not allowed to play at home.
    Of course, this could still change.
    If Russian teams are not excluded, I don't think, that Russian referees should be.

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    1. Chefren25 February 2022 at 14:09

      Indeed, but as somebody wrote above, it can also become a question of opportunity by committee, I already read yesterday some comments about Italian journalists who were not so happy about Karasev, of course not his fault, but some people even asked to refuse this choice by UEFA. Yesterday there weren't more than soft rumors, but in the next occasions I think situation could become different for Rosetti & CO.
      However, I'm sure they will find the best way to deal with this stuff.

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    2. Anonymous25 February 2022 at 16:50

      To ban a team and to appoint a referee are both active actions that UEFA won't take at the moment. To let Spartak play is more of a passive nature. So I would never conclude that Karasev will be appointed because a Russian team is still allowed to play on neutral grounds.

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    3. Sale25 February 2022 at 18:16

      Some issues are the question of pure morality and humanity. There is a madman leading an army to kill even innocent Ukrainian children. Sometimes consequences have to be taken into account, no matter one is not personally responsible. I strongly believe that a strict statement has to be made by UEFA and to ban all Russian teams and officials from all competitions.

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    4. Lde25 February 2022 at 18:27

      Unfortunately, we do not know Karasev's thoughts. That's too bad. We only know a few brave Russian athletes. For example, Andrey Rublev.
      https://cdn.echo.msk.ru/files/3628211.mp4

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    5. Sale25 February 2022 at 19:27

      I won't discuss politics on this blog. I'm a rational and impartial individual and not being influenced by any propaganda. It cannot be denied that there is an agression against a soverign country, as I said murdering also children. I stick with my opinion and you are entitled to yours.

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    6. Lde25 February 2022 at 19:36

      Those who started a war in another country must be punished. Those who support such a war must be punished. This is so obvious.

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    7. Sale25 February 2022 at 21:30

      We were talking about Russian referees and Russian teams taking part in international competitions. What have US and Afghanistan 20 years ago to do with this? In civilised world you don't use agression, but diplomacy. The whole Europe is united in condemning this action that breaches numerous international and humanitarian conventions. Not to mention how despicable is stating that civilian casualties simply have to be taken into account. Sorry, but I will never defend taking lifes! Now I'm done responding and hope that every possible sanctions are taken against this madness.

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    8. Lde25 February 2022 at 23:38

      @icedteatower Great. Referees make good money in China, no need to work in enemy Europe.

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    9. Sale26 February 2022 at 09:06

      Or you stop defending a crime against core humanity.

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    10. Sale26 February 2022 at 20:49

      Sure, and Hitler was also a saint.

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    11. Anonymous26 February 2022 at 21:51

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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  44. John M25 February 2022 at 17:38

    Agreed. Referees make mistakes and VAR can correct the major ones...though if the corner kick given on Lakaku's shot resulted in a goal then it's a major event due to VAR's evidence being withheld. I am not trying to beat a dead horse here, it seems that when Colina and Rosetti sat around a table to discuss this very scenario they both said not a problem. Two very good former Keepers of the Laws approving this VAR protocol allowing a benefit when Law 11 is broken leaves me stunned
    Thanks for your time

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    1. Philipp S25 February 2022 at 17:59

      But you also have to consider that only around 3% of corners lead to a goal. I.e. the chances for the defending team to prevent a goal are very high. So I would say, if a goal is scored after a wrong corner, the clear main cause is the failure to defend it and not the fact that the corner was given.
      So one can wonder, whether this little influence is worth the breaks in game for checking offside for all corners.
      With a automated offside technology, which immediately detects and the offside and reports it to the referee, one should however reconsider to use it for all offsides.

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  45. Chefren25 February 2022 at 21:22

    Some clips from Del Cerro Grande game in OLY - ATA.
    Having already said about the performance by AR1, not on his best day, here some challenges.

    4'
    YC for Reckless challenge from behind
    https://streamable.com/c5t8rx

    55'
    YC for Reckless challenge, in this case in my opinion one can even discuss RC not for SFP but violent conduct. I have the feeling, watching the live action, that OLY player just wanted to hit opponent.
    VAR stayed silent, but maybe an intervention wouldn't have been wrong? However, it should be still OK for UEFA to support, but very bad foul.
    https://streamable.com/1spdsz

    62'
    Possible YC for reckless challenge, player from OLY suffers in pain but it's him committing the foul, being late on opponent.
    https://streamable.com/5hru01

    66'
    Possible foul before 0-2, you can see del Cerro putting whistle in his mouth but then playing on. A closer replay says, in my opinion, that referee was right, no foul.
    https://streamable.com/eam0cp

    84'
    YC for reckless challenge
    https://streamable.com/to0pe9

    Also in this game, as I observed very often in past, Del Cerro showed with a certain delay some cards, but I think his decisions were at least supportable, with a trend to give the least severe punishment in all cases.

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    1. Philipp S25 February 2022 at 22:26

      55': RC would be wrong IMO. It's a deliberate foul to stop the attack, but I don't see any violence in the sense of unneccesary roughness or excessive force.

      66': Clearly no foul, I think. Maybe he put the whistle in his mouth because of the handball by the not fouled player (and then gave a silent advantage)?

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  46. Anonymous25 February 2022 at 21:39

    Predictions for Round of 16 legs: (First Leg - Second Leg)

    Porto - Lyon: Srdjan Jovanovic (SRB) - Daniel Siebert (GER)
    Betis - Frankfurt: Sandro Schärer (SUI) - François Letexier (FRA)
    Sevilla - West Ham: Deniz Aytekin (GER) - Szymon Marciniak (POL)
    Leipzig - Spartak Moskva: Michael Oliver (ENG) - Slavko Vinčič (SVN)
    Rangers - Crvena zvezda: Artur Dias (POR) - José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
    Braga - Monaco: Felix Zwayer (GER) - Halil Umut Meler (TUR)
    Atalanta - Leverkusen: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED) - Ovidiu Hațegan (ROU)
    Barcelona - Galatasaray: Davide Massa (ITA) - Benoît Bastien (FRA)

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    1. Philipp S25 February 2022 at 22:13

      Mine are
      Porto - Lyon: Massa - Siebert
      Betis - Frankfurt: Guida - Oliver
      Sevilla - West Ham: Schärer - Zwayer
      Leipzig - Spartak Moskva: Frankowski - Soares Dias
      Rangers - Crvena zvezda: Hernandez - Hategan
      Braga - Monaco: Kulbakov - Sidiropoulos
      Atalanta - Leverkusen: Ekberg - Gil Manzano
      Barcelona - Galatasaray: Gözübüyük - Jovanovic

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    2. Chefren25 February 2022 at 22:26

      Maybe Gözübüyük with a Turkish team is not possible...

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    3. Philipp S25 February 2022 at 22:39

      Yes, good point, that I missed. I would swap him with Zwayer then.

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  47. Anonymous26 February 2022 at 16:02

    Any news from the CONMEBOL FIFA seminar in Argentina?

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  48. smala01726 February 2022 at 16:38

    Not at all a good precedent to set IMO. This situation may be (in recent times, anyways) new for Europe, but wars, including unjustified wars of aggression, happen around the world all the time, and good luck to any supposedly-neutral international organization at trying to to make sense over who is in the wrong in each one.

    Asian teams travel to Saudi Arabia, Pyongchang, Turkmenistan, etc all the time. They compete against countries that are completely ideological opposite of them, countries whose actions they may think are morally repulsive, but it’s sport. The World Cup should be for all countries, not just for whichever countries you or me think have morally acceptable governments.

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  49. Lde26 February 2022 at 17:19

    No one is talking about political differences. In this case we are talking about war. We live in a new world now, wake up.

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  50. pele2326 February 2022 at 18:34

    No way Russia is gonna play in the World Cup. All other UEFA countries + CONCACAF countries would boycot the tournament. 100% guarantee that Russia will not play at that tournament. And unfortunately Karasev will most likely also miss out now...

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  51. M26 February 2022 at 20:29

    Did you guys saw non given penalty situation in Everton - Manchester City match, 85th min. ?

    Would like to hear some of your opinions?

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    1. Mikael W26 February 2022 at 20:41

      I wrote about it on another forum, RateTheRef:

      https://ratetheref.createaforum.com/general-discussion-5/p-tierney-everton-v-man-city/?message=44523

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  52. BiHRef26 February 2022 at 21:43

    Correct onside or not?

    https://i.postimg.cc/DwFd8HP7/IMG-20220226-194028.jpg

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    1. Anonymous28 February 2022 at 18:34

      The moment of the photo is clearly not right - the ball is already played. The moment that matters is the moment of the initial contact with the ball. So, please, be more precise or professional (if you are a referee) next time when you post such a nonsense.

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  53. Gylfi4627 February 2022 at 12:06

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  54. Anonymous27 February 2022 at 16:41

    If icedteatower's friend doesn't stop, I'm afraid there will be no World Cup....

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