Discussion about MD2 games at 2022 Women's EURO.
Group A, 11.07.2022, 18:00 CET
St. Mary's Stadium, Southampton
AUSTRIA - NORTHERN IRELAND
Referee: Emikar Virginia Calderas Barrera (VEN)
Assistant Referee 1: Migdalia Rodriguez Chirino (VEN)
Assistant Referee 2: Mary Blanco Bolivar (COL)
Fourth Official: Marta Huerta de Aza (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: José María Sánchez (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Guillermo Cuadra (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jenny Palmqvist (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Ana Raspopović (MNE)
Group A, 11.07.2022, 21:00 CET
Brighton & Hove Community Stadium, Brighton & Hove
ENGLAND - NORWAY
Referee: Riem Hussein (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Katrin Rafalski (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Susann Küng (SUI)
Fourth Official: Esther Staubli (SUI)
Brighton & Hove Community Stadium, Brighton & Hove
ENGLAND - NORWAY
Referee: Riem Hussein (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Katrin Rafalski (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Susann Küng (SUI)
Fourth Official: Esther Staubli (SUI)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Harm Osmers (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Caroline De Boeck (BEL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Harm Osmers (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Caroline De Boeck (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Ginta Pēce (LVA)
Group B, 12.07.2022, 18:00 CET
Stadium MK, Milton Keynes
DENMARK - FINLAND
Referee: Iuliana Demetrescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Petruta Iugulescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Anita Vad (HUN)
Fourth Official: Cheryl Foster (WAL)
Stadium MK, Milton Keynes
DENMARK - FINLAND
Referee: Iuliana Demetrescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Petruta Iugulescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Anita Vad (HUN)
Fourth Official: Cheryl Foster (WAL)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ella De Vries (BEL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Wendy Toms (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ella De Vries (BEL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Wendy Toms (ENG)
UEFA Delegate: Ronit Glasman (ISR)
Group B, 12.07.2022, 21:00 CET
Brentford Community Stadium, London
GERMANY - SPAIN
Brentford Community Stadium, London
GERMANY - SPAIN
Referee: Stéphanie Frappart (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Elodie Coppola (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Manuela Nicolosi (FRA)
Fourth Official: Ivana Projkovska (MKD)
Assistant Referee 1: Elodie Coppola (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Manuela Nicolosi (FRA)
Fourth Official: Ivana Projkovska (MKD)
Video Assistant Referee: Benoît Millot (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maika Vanderstichel (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Caroline De Boeck (BEL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maika Vanderstichel (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Caroline De Boeck (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Tamar Chichinadze (GEO)
Group C, 13.07.2022, 18:00 CET
Bramall Lane, Sheffield
SWEDEN - SWITZERLAND
Referee: Marta Huerta de Aza (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Guadalupe Porras Ayuso (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Francesca Di Monte (ITA)
Fourth Official: Emikar Virginia Calderas Barrera (VEN)
Bramall Lane, Sheffield
SWEDEN - SWITZERLAND
Referee: Marta Huerta de Aza (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Guadalupe Porras Ayuso (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Francesca Di Monte (ITA)
Fourth Official: Emikar Virginia Calderas Barrera (VEN)
Video Assistant Referee: José María Sánchez (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Guillermo Cuadra (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Blaženka Logarušić (CRO)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Guillermo Cuadra (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Blaženka Logarušić (CRO)
UEFA Delegate: Iva Olivari-Ulisa (CRO)
Group C, 13.07.2022, 21:00 CET
Leigh Sports Village, Wigan & Leigh
NETHERLANDS - PORTUGAL
Leigh Sports Village, Wigan & Leigh
NETHERLANDS - PORTUGAL
Referee: Ivana Martinčić (CRO)
Assistant Referee 1: Sanja Rodjak-Karšić (CRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Staša Špur (SVN)
Fourth Official: Lorraine Watson (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Sanja Rodjak-Karšić (CRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Staša Špur (SVN)
Fourth Official: Lorraine Watson (SCO)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Katarzyna Wierzbowska (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Katarzyna Wierzbowska (POL)
UEFA Delegate: Laura Montgomery (SCO)
Group D, 14.07.2022, 18:00 CET
Manchester City Academy Stadium, Manchester
ITALY - ICELAND
Referee: Lina Lehtovaara (FIN)
Assistant Referee 1: Karolin Kaivoja (EST)
Assistant Referee 2: Chrysoula Kourompylia (GRE)
Fourth Official: Iuliana Demetrescu (ROU)
Manchester City Academy Stadium, Manchester
ITALY - ICELAND
Referee: Lina Lehtovaara (FIN)
Assistant Referee 1: Karolin Kaivoja (EST)
Assistant Referee 2: Chrysoula Kourompylia (GRE)
Fourth Official: Iuliana Demetrescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Tiago Martins (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Luis Godinho (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Blaženka Logarušić (CRO)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Luis Godinho (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Blaženka Logarušić (CRO)
UEFA Delegate: Maria Mifsud (MLT)
Group D, 14.07.2022, 21:00 CET
New York Stadium, Rotherham
FRANCE - BELGIUM
New York Stadium, Rotherham
FRANCE - BELGIUM
Referee: Cheryl Foster (WAL)
Assistant Referee 1: Michelle O'Neill (IRL)
Assistant Referee 2: Sian Massey-Ellis (ENG)
Fourth Official: Lorraine Watson (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Michelle O'Neill (IRL)
Assistant Referee 2: Sian Massey-Ellis (ENG)
Fourth Official: Lorraine Watson (SCO)
Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Katarzyna Wierzbowska (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Katarzyna Wierzbowska (POL)
UEFA Delegate: Lamprini Dimitrou (GRE)
About the OFR, I'm really in trouble, maybe it is correct according to the contact (otherwise, Italian VARs wouldn't have intervened), but how much clear is this situation in terms of overall perception? If you ask me, and Martincic showed that by an extremely long time in front of monitor, one can have doubts. These are decisions mostly based on objective criteria about contacts, but in reality they don't find absolutely harmony with the context.
ReplyDeleteI think Martincic was instructed by Italian VAR starting from before the OFR, and the YC should be result of that, I think she wasn't convinced at all but she rather followed them. If you ask me, there can be big discussion about this management because not all referees act in this way.
Having said that, I still need to rewatch to understand what exactly VAR wanted to punish...
Agree that the review time was too long but my guess would be that 80% of the time was spent determining the card color. You have to exclude SFP and be certain that the foul was sufficciently ball oriented to downgrade DOGSO.
DeleteIt gets funnier by the minute. SFP can be excluded within 1 second as the contact is actually hardly existing. How can this possibly be a SFP???
DeleteI also think, that she was considering SPA/DOGSO in the end of the OFR.
DeleteIMO the best decision here would have been no card, because the ball was already played quite far away, so only SPA, but the action of the defender still had the purpose to play the ball.
About the intervention itself: If Martincic completely missed the contact, it is justified, I think. A missed incident that is more a penalty than not should lead to an intervention.
In general, it was not so obvious from the live picture and first replay. But with the first angle presented in the OFR, I strongly tend towards the penalty. The contact was mainly caused by the defender and obstructed the movement of the attacker.
Italian VAR officials feel the need to get involved wherever possible to have an impact on the game. I've said it for years, and before this game I said "watch out ladies, Valeri will get you!" I have followed Serie A since the mid '90's and it is standard practice for certain referees to be the centre of attention... Orsato / Doveri / Valeri. Don't even get me started on Orsato!
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Not going for SFP is perfectly in line with the dangerous play prior to the 2:0. Both situations were close to SFP but had a significant accidental component which justifies going for reckless. Not giving a YC would have been a crucial mistake though, because it was both reckless and DOGSO.
ReplyDeleteReckless?! Ahahaha, the contact in the Var-invented penalty was almost non-existing :)
DeleteRegarding the foul and OFR in NED-POR, I don't really see the intensity and knee get taken out. For me it's just a kick foot on foot and therefore not enough for an OFR. I would be okay with penalty whistled directly on the field but VAR should stay out imo
ReplyDeleteI've looked at both situations again and I'm of the opinion that you can't blame Spur here. Both passes went to the outside and it didn't look like a good chance and both offside positions were clear.
ReplyDeleteSide note: Flagrant dissent shown by Jill Roord for decisions taken by the referee throughout the game (I noted five occasions alone).
ReplyDeleteNever a mistake by AR2 in this case, impossible to raise the flag.
ReplyDeleteWhy is this taking so long? We had a very quick decision earlier today which was very close as well and all tournament we’ve had quick decisions, the penalty took very long (on both parts) as well
ReplyDeleteMust've been some technical issues or something because UEFA are usually quite efficient with those reviews, sometimes even faster than the replays
Delete4 minutes of checking and 5 minutes of extra time on the second half. Really?
DeleteOffside VAR remains a clown fiesta. I would love reading the scientific study that tries justifying the methodology behind putting a three dimensional perpendicular line into a two dimensional image without any kind of error bar. Lol.
ReplyDelete88‘ perfect double YC
ReplyDeleteBut one player did the exact same gesture again after the card but didn’t get anything
DeleteThe player did that gesture twice without ref reacting at all. Ref also gave YC after final whistle for protesting to POR goalie.
DeleteRef lost the NED trust after 15 sec of play when giving goal kick for the first attack which should have been corner kick.
I think it’s more the 5 minute VAR processes that led to Dutch disadvantage twice that made them annoyed with the refs, I wouldn’t say it was any particular action by the on-field team
DeleteNED-POR is always a challenging ‘card fest’ for some reason. Womens no difference 🤔
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ReplyDeleteMartincic not convincing, Huerta below expectations, Riem only running - poor RefCom, whom to chose for QF and SF. And where is consistency of VAR line of intervention?
Deletenot forget to mention frappart with a crystal clear missed red card...
DeleteAfter seeing it 100x times, I'm still not a big fan of the OFR yesterday.
ReplyDeleteThe VAR check took very long and they needed a slowmotion to actually see the 'contact'. That's never a good sign tbh.
In full speed, you don't see a foul. The intensity of the contact is soft. For me, almost comparable to e.g. Sterling in a certain semi final one year ago. And now, according to VAR it's a clear and obvious mistake? I don't get it.
https://streamff.com/v/924a52
ReplyDeleteHere the video of the OFR in NED - POR.
The doubts can indeed come from the fact that you neeed a very deep analysis to spot a foul, is that a clear and obvious mistake by referee? However, once detected the contact, clear foul and YC.
Marta Huerta de Aza in Sweden - Switzerland
ReplyDelete9' Penalty annulled after OFR
https://streamff.com/v/d10032
16' Penalty appeal for hanbdall, VAR supported play on
https://streamff.com/v/5ae89e
27' Penalty appeal, but I think offside flag to be raised before, in case
https://streamff.com/v/e17570
37' Possible SPA - DOGSO situation
https://streamff.com/v/974b9f
84' A couple of fouls at the edge of penalty area, referee playing on in both cases
https://streamff.com/v/7fb04a
90'+6 Free kick, foul outside
https://streamff.com/v/0646af
88' Jonas Eriksson blasts AVAR for intervening when SWE scores (3-1). Eriksson claims the goal scorer is behind the ball when the pass is performed. Eriksson says it is a big mistake to disallow the goal.
ReplyDeleteAnd now the Swedish FA have sent a letter of complaint to UEFA
DeleteLooks like he is right and the VAR made a mistake there:
Deletehttps://ibb.co/M6mWnyj
https://ibb.co/w0b0d3b
VAR overall has really been completely unacceptable in this tournament. A mistake like this is completely terrible.
DeleteDecisions like this are beyond the technical resolution. We need a protocol that tells us what happens if a decision is too close to call. Handling offside as a black/white decision is a gross mistake, because that's just not how reality works. A reasonable thing to do would be the NFL approach of keeping the referee decision if no camera perspective proves a clear mistake. After all, the AR had a better/unique position than any camera and that should be worth something.
DeleteKaer: what are you talking about? It’s a clear onside. The line was draws incorrectly and therefore showed offside. This wasn’t close at all. It was a very clear onside. The problem has nothing to do with technology, it has to do with the VAR refs not knowing the laws of the game.
DeleteObviously the VAR is incompetent with ignoring the position of the ball. But even if you put the line correctly, we would talk about 2-3 cm onside which is way below technical resolution.
DeleteIt was about 25-35 cm https://ibb.co/yFLCNHK
DeleteBig mistake by VAR. Completely incomprehensible that they do not know the rules. We knew that the English VAR representatives were not good. But that the Spaniards also make such big mistakes is surprising. Early return to Spain.
ReplyDeleteWith the exception of DeVries, all VARs and AVARs are referees, not assistant referees... as opposed to top men's competitions where there is an an AR as AVAR2. Is it too much for a wealthy organization like UEFA to have an AR as offside AVAR at the Women's Euro?
DeleteBut in (men's) Champions League, the AVAR also often ist not an assistant referee
DeleteIt feels like Lehtovaara in Italy - Iceland is not really accepted by either team. Surprisigly lot of dissent allowed - not typical for womens football
ReplyDeleteShe’s keeping a strict line which isn’t a bad idea with these teams, but because of that both teams have had easy fouls whistled against them, which seems to annoy them
DeleteYes, not fully accepted. I must say, challenging game. Two very passionate teams. I think good that she is not as lenient as Welch in Italy’s 1st game. Lehtovaara keeps things a bit more short and sweet
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think that Nordic referees are in Nordic teams games? Not full neutrality.
ReplyDeleteNo there is full neutrality. Sometimes the team from the same region as the referee can benefit because the refereeing style and playing style align, but that’s the same with Southern Europe (e.g. Spanish ref with Italian team) - that doesn’t mean the ref isn’t neutral, it’s just that one team prefers a ref who whistles everything, another prefers one who allows a lot
DeleteLehtovaara has been stronger in the second half, better leadership, should have been strong in the first half as well. A performance inside expected level in a game with no challenging situations. She will for sure get another game.
ReplyDeleteLehtovaara without big issues, but something to be reviewed in first half. Quite sure she will get a KO stage game.
ReplyDeleteI agree - another game for sure for the Fin
ReplyDeletePerfect onside call by O‘Neill before 1-0
ReplyDeleteAnd now perfect onside by Irodotou before 1-1
DeleteEasy game for Foster so far, good management
ReplyDeleteHave to say that I’ve liked this performance from Foster. Ok no real issues for her but she has controlled things well
ReplyDeleteI actually the whole team including VAR seem very strong
I don’t know if anyone noticed the winks to Cheryl as she looked back at her assistants in the tunnel
She lets play, I like that. And she's totally accepted, no player complaints
ReplyDeleteVery strong performance from team Foster, maybe even the most balanced in the whole tournament so far.
ReplyDeleteThought on handball?
ReplyDeleteFor me, never VAR stuff. Hardly unnatural. Disappointing after a good performance so far. A shame.
I don't like this penalty. If that's making yourself unaturally bigger then it's too much. The body also turned so the arm was even less away from the side of the body.
ReplyDeleteI thought you couldn't get a 2yc on a VAR review. Tough decision but seen it given before.
ReplyDeleteThe review was for the penalty, not for a possible yellow card. Since she called a penalty the yellow was for SPA.
DeleteIf a penalty is given, any other relevent sanction (eg yellow) can be given. In this case had to be a second
DeleteOf course when it is a penalty situation
DeleteThe review is for the penalty. The outcome of the review is a penalty, but the YC also belongs to that decision. So yes, it's possible to get a 2YC from a VAR review.
DeleteTheoretically, it's even possible to be called to the screen after (for example) SFP, to overturn it into a yellow card, but that being the second yellow card. For the suspension, that can be important, and than second YC is the outcome of the review.
For VAR protocol the video referee can't ask you to do the review for a 2nd YC offence, but the video referee can do that for a penalty kick incident. And after the review you can also take disciplinary action accordingly. If a PK for handball and shot on goal, then YC is correct.
DeleteThat's protocol.
What an utter shambles
ReplyDeleteI don't want VAR to take 2 minutes to decide to send the ref out. Either it's a clear VAR situation (like DOGSO ESP-GER), or it's not.
ReplyDeleteAnd then if she goes out and looks at it, I don't want her to give that penalty. It's the opposite of unnatural, it's the opposite of intentional, and now she misses the last group match for that.
Not in the spirit of the game.
Cristal clear PK
ReplyDeleteNice joke.
DeleteCrystal clear clown referee
DeleteIMO never VAR stuff.she has the arm near her body. Can anybody tell me UEFA guidelines on this?
ReplyDeleteOFR in FRA - BEL... penalty for handball.
ReplyDeleteThis incident shows us once again how much difficult is to spot handball and the severity of this rule, defender had the arms behind back all the time before the shot, but she moved them when ball came, and penalty to be whistled. Correct YC because it was shot on goal. Let me say that sometimes for a player is difficult to move and run with arm always very close to body, we should start to think that, but basically, to have consistency, it is impossible to change the rule for me... I wouldn't penalize Foster for this situation, only one replay is very clear.
Well written. If she would stay with hands behind like in the beginning subsequently contact would not appear
DeleteMy goodness I’m not sure about that penalty you know
ReplyDeleteWell, when the referee goes to the screen it's a penalty, and according to the rules, it's a correct one, but let's be honest: she does all she can to prevent the handball. I really don't think we should want this kind of penalties.
ReplyDeleteFor the rest, the referee does a goob job, but this kind of penalties ruin the image of football, even if VAR and referee are not to blame.
I don't think this is a penalty at all according to the laws. This is not making yourself unnaturally bigger. It was about 10-15 cm away from the side of the body.
DeleteI disagree. In my opinion she is exactly making herself unnaturally bigger according to the laws, because sticking the arm out in that position is not a consequence of her body movement (standing and turning), but simply unneccessary - maybe some kind of reflex.
DeleteSo while I understand, while many don't want a penalty for that, I think, that the LotG do "want" it.
When you’re turning your arm legs a little, being ‘forced’ slightly out of the body. For me obviously a consequence of the movement the defender makes, so no penalty to be awarded IMO. And for god sake, please assess the body movement IN REAL SPEED and not in superslomos!!!
Delete“legs” = “lags” obviously, excuse me!
DeleteNonsense. Turning your body does not physically make your arm flail out.
DeleteAgree with Chefren very difficult decision for Foster. Based on reviews can honestly see why penalty was given. Then no choice on card - shot on goal
ReplyDeleteImagine a penalty like that in the last minute of the final. Common sense has got out of window with refereeing now
ReplyDeleteThat’s such a harsh penalty for me
ReplyDeleteBall from a short distance at a high pace. Arms natural placed when the shot is taken. Arm is bent and not stiff to create a barrier.
ReplyDeleteNot a CO error.
Seems like they won't be so exact with the GKs anymore with VAR. On the penalty the goalkeeper had no feet on or above the goal line when the shot was made.
ReplyDeleteVAR missed it...
DeleteWe had a quite similar situation in the opening game of the men's tournament last year where VAR failed to intervene. UEFA since made it clear in their RAP that this was a mistake and that an OFR should've been recommended. Imo the intervention from Kwiatkowski was therefore quite expected
ReplyDeleteAgree
DeleteThe Belgian player was playing "smart" up until the point when she and only she decided to play in a "dumb" manner. She initially "smartly" had her arms tucked in tight/behind her body. But then she had a "brain fart" and for no good reason, she decided to bring her arms out as she turned her body. The fact that she turned her body had zero effect on her arm flailing out to her side. With that said, the Laws of the Game are clear. Good VAR intervention and ultimately correct PK call.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that she turned her body made her arm even less outside of her side of the body… That’s the whole point.
DeleteShe had her arms tucked in behind her body. She should have kept them that way throughout the entire play. She does that and no PK, guaranteed! But she allowed her arm to flail out wildly thus enlarging here body surface and blocking a shot that was going on goal. PK, Yellow Card, done deal. The LoTG are crystal clear.
DeleteFor me, OFR is correct based on current standards, however I really hate this rule
ReplyDeletehttps://ibb.co/w0b0d3b
ReplyDeleteBig mistake, it cannot happen. It's not about interpretation, it's factual and José María Sánchez failed to put the lines offside.
The VAR in this case is responsible for the situation, not the AVAR.
José María Sánchez made a mistake that would cost a referee from a country with less power his career. Let's see what happens in the next appointments!