20.07.2022, 21:00 CET
Brighton & Hove Community Stadium, Brighton & Hove
ENGLAND - SPAIN
Referee: Stéphanie Frappart (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Elodie Coppola (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Manuela Nicolosi (FRA)
Fourth Official: Lina Lehtovaara (FIN)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Dennis Higler (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Benoît Millot (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jenny Palmqvist (SWE) Dagmar Damkova (CZE)
UEFA Referee Observer:
UEFA Delegate: Ginta Pēce (LVA)
21.07.2022, 21:00 CET
Brentford Community Stadium, London
GERMANY - AUSTRIA
Referee: Rebecca Welch (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Sian Massey-Ellis (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Lisa Rashid (ENG)
Fourth Official: Iuliana Demetrescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
Brentford Community Stadium, London
GERMANY - AUSTRIA
Referee: Rebecca Welch (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Sian Massey-Ellis (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Lisa Rashid (ENG)
Fourth Official: Iuliana Demetrescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jenny Palmqvist (SWE)UEFA Delegate: Tamar Chichinadze (GEO)
22.07.2022, 21:00 CET
Leigh Sports Village, Wigan & Leigh
SWEDEN - BELGIUM
Referee: Kateryna Monzul (UKR)
Assistant Referee 1: Maryna Striletska (UKR)
Assistant Referee 2: Paulina Baranowska (POL)
Fourth Official: Emikar Calderas Barrera (VEN)
Leigh Sports Village, Wigan & Leigh
SWEDEN - BELGIUM
Referee: Kateryna Monzul (UKR)
Assistant Referee 1: Maryna Striletska (UKR)
Assistant Referee 2: Paulina Baranowska (POL)
Fourth Official: Emikar Calderas Barrera (VEN)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Harm Osmers (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Blaženka Logarušić (CRO)UEFA Delegate: Laura Montgomery (SCO)
23.07.2022, 21:00 CET
New York Stadium, Rotherham
FRANCE - NETHERLANDS
Referee: Ivana Martinčić (CRO)
Assistant Referee 1: Sanja Rodjak-Karšić (CRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Staša Špur (SVN)
Fourth Official: Marta Huerta de Aza (ESP)
New York Stadium, Rotherham
FRANCE - NETHERLANDS
Referee: Ivana Martinčić (CRO)
Assistant Referee 1: Sanja Rodjak-Karšić (CRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Staša Špur (SVN)
Fourth Official: Marta Huerta de Aza (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Tiago Martins (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Luis Godinho (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Luis Godinho (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Katarzyna Wierzbowska (POL)UEFA Delegate: Lamprini Dimitrou (GRE)
This appointment says a lot to me. I believe Lehtovaara for a SF otherwise she would be extremely unfortunate not to receive a KO stage match (which she deserves). This year's CL Final referee out of a KO game seems unlikely. It also indicates that UEFA as I expected would have Frappart in contention for the Final as she is going to Qatar.
ReplyDeleteWell this is the only quarter final which Frappart could do: she’s out from the French side of the schedule and she just did Sweden, so this was the only option for her, as a French win against the Netherlands would mean that she can’t do semi-finals or the final either. Therefore, I’m not too sure how much this appointment tells us - the appointment is very logical and the only reason for me to read more into this is the observation by Damkova, however, she is a replacement for unknown reasons
DeleteAs we know, generally a QF referee will be appointed to the Final. It is highly unlikely that a a QF ref will get a SF and also a SF referee will get the final as well. So this appointment is important for 2 reasons (1) she is a contender for Final (2)The fact that Damkova is observing adds extra to this.
DeleteAs mentioned before, It was the logical match in the 4 to do. All 3 factors combined is very telling
Whilst I know it's a GS game - Welch did ESP who would face England and Uefa didn't see too concerned - so this may be the same here and she could have got a SF.
Correction -also a SF referee will not get the final as well
DeleteOr Palmqvist with COVID?
ReplyDeleteHas Hussein recovered?
DeleteIt’s a smart appointment and completely neutral assignment. Finally!
ReplyDeleteEngland and Spain do not face France or Netherlands in the next round.
Lehtovaara straight in a semi final makes sense, because her country is out already.
ReplyDeleteI think the referee in the other semi will be Monzul - she has already officiated a WC final and to be honest, I don’t see how a war should change that unwritten rule, if we consider that even e.g. Collina didn’t do both.
Appointment to the final should be based on performance. However, we know that appointments are political and this is probably the biggest political issue in recent times so there is every chance she could be appointed!
DeleteThe name of the observer intrigues me. So, Frappart is in serious consideration for the final?
ReplyDeleteTo me, this is strange on different levels:
- Her compatriot Turpin just did a big UEFA final
- The French are the favorites against Netherlands
- Performance / teamwork. Sure, she can miss a DOGSO on the pitch, but her VAR simply can't miss that. The perfect example of bad teamwork.
Yes, but are France favourites against Germany - I wouldn't think so! It's clear that Millot was punished as opposed to Frappart.
Delete"she can miss a DOGSO on the pitch" I only partly agree with this statement. Distance and speed wise it was impossible for her to properly judge the incident. But, she made no attempt to achieve a wider angle that could have potentially given her a better view. She simply ran in a straight line. Unacceptable but somewhat understandable, I guess.
DeleteWhat was completely and totally unacceptable was her decision to gesture in a manner in which she mistakenly attempts to say that it was a fair challenge. If you didn't see it, don't BS the players by making up stuff.
@ Anonymous 09:46 - If France reaches the Semi finals, Frappart will be send home ??
DeleteFurthermore, after missing the DOGSO, her foul detection was due more to her worry that things were beginning to get out of hand, and the whistle went to regain control while not demonstrating any consistency.
ReplyDeleteMay be controversial, but I think if there is another equally-good referee available, the final should go to her. Frappart and Monzul have been given lots of opportunities in the men’s game. As things stand in 2022, this final should go to another high-performing ref who doesn’t get those chances at the moment. Having pushed women’s refereeing, we don’t want the impression that a ref has to be operating in the men’s game in order to be good enough. Plus, I don’t think Frappart’s performances have really stood out?
ReplyDeleteThey sure haven't stood out. And if her last name wasn't Frappart. I'm sure that she would have been demoted. Just like her VAR.
DeleteThe UEFA crew have deservingly been assigned to a very important match. As Argentina and Venezuela vie for 2nd place in group B and the right to move into the Semi-Finals.
ReplyDelete7/21/2022
2022 Copa America Femenina
Venezuela vs Argentina
R: Sandra Bastos (POR)
A1: Andreia Ferreira (POR)
A2: Rita Cabañero (ESP)
4to: Adriana Farfan (BOL)
Official: Germany - Austria: Welch / Demetrescu / Kwiatkowski
ReplyDeleteIt's good that both Frappart and Welch are not in the same part of the schedule as their own countries. In group stage, UEFA didn't really care :D
ReplyDeleteThe fact that Palmqvist is appointed today shows me that there is indeed more to read into Frappart’s appointment. I still can’t imagine it due to reasons mentioned by others as well (just had WC final, Turpin had UCL 2 months ago, crucial mistake, the French team and her opportunities in the men’s game), but she might be the favorite for the final if France gets eliminated
ReplyDeleteAll I'm saying is that don't rule out Frappart for that Final!! Eyes are definitely on her. I expect Monzul to take a QF and Huerta or Martincic for the other.
DeleteWoooouw !
ReplyDeleteQF with t w o VARA.
According to some Spanish sources, Marta Huerta is waiting for a possible next appointment, I think that she could be then the name instead of Lehtovaara who appearead as fourth official, and she could get a quarterfinal. One could speculate that maybe she was planned even for something more, but after her second game she could stop only after QF. Then of course one must mention the Spanish national team as reason for getting a last game. We will see whether her name will appear, I think that committee could hope for an English win today, so a game like Sweden - Belgium could to go her, to me wouldn't be still 100% deserved, but in an overall context we know how committee works sometimes, considering what they want to do even before the start of a tournament. Just mention the Italian assistant referee, this becomes a political choice, but we know it from the past...
ReplyDeleteMay I ask why you are so sure Lehtovaara won’t get a game? In my mind, only Foster and Monzul are guaranteed another game, which would still leave 1 spot if Huerta de Aza is given a game, why would that not be Lehtovaara (she might as well be 4th official if she’s given a semi-final)?
DeletePretty sure Leftovaara will get another game. I'm not surprised the Huerta could get a QF. She did ok and don't forget that Caldera is tied to her so politically Huerta/Caldera on a QF makes perfect sense and SWE-BEL would be my choice
DeleteI guess it’s true. Marta Huerta was observed by Damkova during the opening game. That’s a strong signal.
ReplyDeleteI think, Marta Huerta will be the next female referee star. Charismatic leader on the pitch, communicative, appealing style, etc.
In that case, there are 3 KO-spots left.
QF
(1) Huerta / (2) Welch / (3) Frappart / (4) …
SF
… (5) / … (6)
F: … (1-4)
Monzul - Lehtovaara - Foster all did very well and should get a KO game imo. Martincic out? Or one referee straight to the final. I can’t imagine.
Judging by the 4th official appointment that Lehtovaara is in contention to get a SF. Then the runners are probably Monzul, Foster, Huerta, Martincic & Staubli. It will be telling for Monzul - she is expected to get another game by most contributors on here and I agree and in consideration for the Final so, the logical slot would be a QF.
DeleteHuerta, an option for a QF but surprised to see if she would be in consideration for anything further.
Foster, very much in consideration for a SF.
Staubli and Martincic are neutral and could work in any capacity for the last games.
So for me
QF3 - Huerta/Calderas/Martins
QF4 - Monzul/Martincic/Valeri
SF1 - Lehtovaara/Martincic/Martins
SF2 - Foster/Staubli/Kwiatolski
F - Frappart or Monzul w Huerta 4th & Van Boekel or Valeri (assuming ESP fail to reach final).
Based on performances so far and the “distribution principle”, I’m predicting the Polish (Kwiatkowski) as head-VAR in the UEFA Womens final 2022, if he keeps doing a good job.
DeleteSo far we had:
-Italian/German crew in the conference league final,
-Portuguese/Italian with Lehtovaara in UEFA Womens final,
-Dutch/Spanish/Slovenian team behind the screen in Vincic’ Europa League final,
-And the French crew in the Champions League final.
However, one mistake or highly discussed case can mess up everything, of course :)
Well, he's worked with Foster (2) Welch (1) and Frappart (1)
DeleteIf Monzul get's the final - I'm pretty sure it will be Valeri
Is Spain wins, Huerta will get a QF and Welch potential candidate for the final.
ReplyDeleteIf England wins, Welch will be out after her QF and Huerta will be kept for a semi-final.
It's so obvious that Frappart continues to be catered to in every possible way. No matter whether other referees are performing better or how undeserving she may be.
ReplyDeleteAnd being the "home country" referee sure does have its perks. As Welch continues to be assigned after her unconvincing performances. This includes an OFR in which she should have stuck to her original correct SFP Red Card.
Meritocracy? Not in Rosetti's UEFA. Such a shame.
For me penalty to be given… Very fast restart of the game. Hopefully, everything was checked correctly.
ReplyDeleteIt’s definitely not VAR stuff for me
DeleteI think correct by van Boekel to support, not a 100% clear penalty. Confirmed by VAR only if whistled by referee.
DeleteThe restart of the game wasn't really fast, in my opinion, the Dutch took his time to decide for a while.
We have a possible careless use of arm before England goal. Extremely difficult situation for VAR, basically this can be a foul, but in reality, enough for calling it?
ReplyDeleteBy UEFA standards, this is never VAR stuff
DeleteNormal contact in a fair challenge
DeleteVery weak handling of DtR by GK - not giving ball back - and heckling Lehtovaara only dealt with by one caution... Spain are going to make it a difficult night for Frappart
ReplyDeleteI will never understand those YC for substitute players.
ReplyDeleteIn 88' if there are bench problems you either sent the dissenter to the stands or let it go, just a booking looks like pointlessly stopping the game and not helpful for match control.
It helps with showing a message… Why allow such behaviour. Never ignore it.
Deleteclear foul!!! For me clear VAR! Spanish player have no chance to jump. For me this is unbelievable.
ReplyDeleteI think so. Fact is that the arm landed into the face of the player. IMO this goal should not be given.
ReplyDelete@replies: By UEFA standards, this is never VAR stuff. But the gol from standards with hand. Whats the different?
ReplyDeleteWhat do you even mean?
DeleteOne player wanted it more, no contact until she had headed the ball. If youre going to start giving them, then its a no contact sport.
ReplyDeleteYep Spanish player did not have the same wish to head the ball as English... 😀
DeleteIf there was a foul it should have been punished,if there wasnt it shouldnt have...
Simple .
Says the English person. Surprise!
DeleteI would like to switch the discussion to the fact there was no consistency in foul detection, which frustrated players time and time again.
ReplyDeletePositioning also disguisedly suspect at times
DeleteYou just described Frappart's entire tournament. Yet she continues to be catered to.
DeleteDid she really just not give that corner because we were 4 seconds over time despite medical treatment on the field during extra time?
ReplyDeleteThat stoppage was included in the 4 min added time. Frappart is not Marciniak :)
DeleteExcuse the language. But that's such a cowardly way to end a match.
DeleteNo, it wasn’t. The 4 minutes were announced before the treatment. The 4 minutes were correct, but (at least) a 5th minute should have been added based on the events in those 4 minutes and the game should definitely not end exactly after 4 minutes with the team behind about to take a corner kick
DeleteFacts! But the "back the badge" folks will use alternative facts to back the referee at all cost.
DeleteFrappart should be out after that 50/50 situation on the England equalizer: it’s a situation in which a referee can’t win, but she will make some headlines and it’s her second controversy during this tournament, that’s too much for a final
ReplyDeleteNot in Rosetti's eyes. She's the golden child, the chosen one. She can do no wrong. She's been catered to and accommodated beyond what is normal for any other female referee. Watching her today, just further reinforced my desire to see France make it to the Final.
DeleteAh come on. UEFA should consider correctness of decisions and not media attention, crying coaches, players or whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteI saw an arm, somewhere in between ‘no offence and careless’. It’s part of the “contact sport” football. A duel. Never VAR stuff.
I was annoyed by the Spanish player staying down on the pitch after that duel! No way she was hurt.
However, in addition it makes sense to criticize her foul detection. If she consistently allowed a lot during that 120 min, nobody would complain. Now, at some moments she applied a strict line, quickly followed by being very lenient.
DeleteOne specific English player comes to mind. It seemed that any time she felt the least amount of pressure on her back from a Spaniard. She toppled over time and time again. And each and every time Frappart whistled the softest of fouls.
DeleteWe all expect the final ref in a quarter final: Welch is out due to the progression of England, Frappart likely out due to events and/or French progression and Huerta de Aza expected for a quarter final (but a final would be too early), the last quarter final appointment should tell us who the final referee will probably be
ReplyDeleteDr. Riem Hussein
DeleteNo thanks! The Final doesn't need a referee who has no actual feeling or understanding of the game. The Final doesn't need a BS PK to decide the outcome.
DeleteStrengths:
ReplyDelete- Generally tried to let game flow; kept game moving when players went down too easily
- Players seem to accept her completely, probably now based on reputation, which means she can perhaps get away with wrong decisions more than others. Always the case with experienced referees
- Fitness seems very strong
Issues:
- Not a fan of her body language. Seems too passive at times and needs to impose herself stronger. (But seems to work for her?)
- Teamwork with AR1 was off - twice jumped in quickly and wrongly on throws and therefore crossed over twice; from then on AR became very hesitant giving support
- Too slow to react to time wasting. Spanish player before ENG equaliser feigned to take throw 3 times before finally taking it. Would have been ideal time to cut it out. Eng GK later too slow with goal kicks. Then gave annoying (actually harsh) very late caution at a free kick (too late then!)
- Positioning was a repeated issue. Often in way of play near to penalty area and didn’t adapt as this carried on throughout.
- PK for me missed for England (easier to see with replay so perhaps VAR more at fault).
- Needs a louder whistle!
Well, if Huerta gets a QF game, it should be France-Netherlands, otherwise she can play a role in 'deciding' the next opponent of Spain. Although Sweden should have an easy win against Belgium, with or without Marta...
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone have a clip of the mentioned penalty incident?
Sorry, the other way around, of course. England passed. It will be Belgium-Sweden for Huerta and a more experienced ref for Fra-Ned: Foster or Monzul, depending on who is in the running for the final
DeleteMonzul confirmed for Sweden-Belgium. They keep her in shadow
ReplyDeleteInterestingly, Barrera is 4th official. I’m pretty sure this means Huerta won’t be given the other quarter final, is Monzul a replacement?
DeleteWell - I agree that does suggest Huerta won't get a QF It could mean that she now gets a SF and Foster/Martincic/Staubli a QF
DeleteSo the 2 front runners at the start Frappart & Monzul are in prime positions to get the final IMO
DeleteYes, I have the same reading. If Marta Huerta gets a SF, she will be paired with a very experienced 4th official.
DeleteOne of Foster/Martincic/Staubli will end up with nothing at this rate!!
DeleteI think, there is also a chance we can see Marta Huerta assigned to France-Netherlands. In that case, she also needs an experienced 4th official on her side as this is a top match
DeleteOnly frappart or Monzul will get the final as they officiate mens matches in uefa
ReplyDeleteSo Martins really now expected as main VAR for the last game and he has worked with Lehtovaara & Adamkova previously. Dingbert & Kavanagh not appointed in any capacity so far.
ReplyDeleteSanchez too
DeleteThe guy you used to call "Dingbert" for weeks meanwhile retired due to senility concerns and will be replaced by Mr. Dingert without a "b" in his surname.
Deletehttps://teen-titans-go.fandom.com/wiki/Dingbert
Oh we love a correction. Thanks!!
DeleteThe penalty appeal in Frappart's game:
ReplyDeletehttps://streamff.com/v/ccbca1
Possible foul (careless arm / elbow) before 1-1:
https://streamff.com/v/b644c1
1. No PK, no simulation, no dangerous play - play on
Delete2. No foul, football is contact sport, clear goal
1. Correct (indirect?) free kick for Spain due to dangerous play by England no11, challenging the ball with foot at breast height. If we ignore the dangerous play, it's a 50/50 call afterwards. Contact is initiated by Spain no2 but I'm not entirely convinced that the contact was sufficient for going down that cheaply.
ReplyDelete2. Clear holding by England no23. Maybe no VAR stuff because Frappart had clear vision, but certainly a bad decision to allow the goal.
1. Surely it’s never ‘dangerous play’. She controls the ball perfectly in a normal football motion. If that’s dangerous play, almost any control of the ball off the ground is! Then unsure why she would go down. Ball under control, ideal position to strike at goal. Spanish misjudged flight of the ball and is simply out done and makes contact with thigh/knee. Can understand if ref thinks no penalty but can’t see how the England player commits a foul??
DeleteNever a penalty. I don't see how that touch would cause a forward fall. Rather a simulation. English player tries to win a PK when her team is down 0-1
ReplyDeleteIn 2nd clip (careless arm): look at the reaction of the Spanish player. First trying to get up, making a dissent gesture to Frappart with her arms. As soon as she realized that the ball went in the goal, she immediately lay down again, arms in the neck, acting she was hurt. Lol :D
ReplyDeleteThe penalty would have been rather soft in my opinion and no mistake by Frappart not to whistle there. English player goes down very easy.
ReplyDeleteTwo goal should be dissallowed, I think, but if Frappart had a clear view (it seems so), no VAR stuff for me. Not a clear and obvious error to allow sush physical play, but better to whistle.
Tournement for Frappart should be over now, as there were controversial situations/mistakes in both of her games.
If i follow your Logic, a ref Should be out if she has controversial calls in her games. I wonder if you ever reffed before and in top tournament ! The matter is to détermine if a call was a crucial mistake with consequence on final outcome. In this Game : reply is not. I read many give lessons to committee but when you are in position to appoint or select, if so you may appreciate some wise remarks (many are positive) but reject poor ones (few are).
Deletehavent really seen who played the ball, but it also looked like offsides to me. so even when penalty would have been whistled, var would have to check for offsides...
DeleteWas any referee/VAR sent home after the group stage or all will stay till the end?
ReplyDeleteThe WAFCON final is in two days. Any info on who will be the referee? Shall we assume that Mukansaga was saved for the final?
ReplyDeleteNobody talk about this situation (even Chefren video): Penalty should be decided to Spain in 7th 1°T for corner foul. Like 1x1 goal, VAR room silent. Now stadium will be full in semifinal. It’s a shame…
ReplyDeleteVideo:
Deletehttps://streamff.com/v/5a8316
it's a joke ? never penalty...Your comment seems to be a shame !! are you spanish ?
DeleteWelch goes for the very lenient approach. IMO already a missed YC for a German player who hit her opponent's cheek with the studs.
ReplyDeleteSome fouls whistled were not in line with that. A bit inconsistent.
DeleteGreat AR1 so far
ReplyDeletePoor first half from Welch. Lack of disciplinary approach really is showing here.
ReplyDeleteNo big mistakes but very inconsistent in respect to foul detection and no clear line in her disciplinary approach.
DeleteWe can be happy that England made it through so Welch can’t be given another game, which would have been undeserved. Foul detection not great / no consistent line but quite some delay in pushing back throw-ins or free-kicks, even for moments in which I don’t think the opponent even cared
ReplyDeleteIn the end of course no crucial mistakes and no one will be talking about Welch, but I don’t think UEFA will be too pleased with this performance
ReplyDeleteThe Yellow Card in +94' sums it up perfectly: If this really was the one reckless offence she saw as card-worthy the entire game, I must agree with others here: Good that England did advance yesterday.
ReplyDeleteBig mistakes? No. Areas for improvement? Yes, quite some I'd say.
The "big picture" theory in refereeing is a bunch of BS and more harmful than helpful. The idea is that if the referee misses or intentionally lets a lot of things go. But because the match didn't devolve into an all-out riot. It's a good performance? Yeah, miss me with the BS.
ReplyDeleteReferees with the highest percentage of correct decisions (small and big) taken (to include disciplinary actions) should be the ones being rewarded.
A performance like Welch's might be easier to stomach if she had actually earned the assignment based on merit and performance principles. But the truth is she didn't. The sole reason she got the assignment. Is because the Referee Committee had to somehow shoehorn the local referee into a match. Sadly being the local referee seems to outweigh meritocracy.
ReplyDelete54th min
ReplyDeleteThe German player must have been tripped by a gopher or the Holy Ghost, or a radical blade of grass.
Or was it one of the many "little" things Welch let go of, in order the keep the "big picture" in focus?
Not the best display by Rebecca Welch in a not difficult game. Without crucial decisions and important situations, the feeling is that she was lucky that game didn't present difficult cases to solve. She looked to be too harsh regarding some minor situations, while she played on / was lenient in more evident cases.
ReplyDelete16' and 21' possible yellow cards for reckless challenges
https://streamff.com/v/026559
https://streamff.com/v/f50a6e
30' Management - After a shout for handball, player decides to make justice by herself, stopping opponent in a very unsporting manner, YC for LoR could have been issued even if not immediately SPA.
https://streamff.com/v/5b87f5
45' YC for SPA
https://streamff.com/v/099c7d
To me, clearly wrong decision. Too soft to assess it as foul in favor of attacker, one could even back the contrary argument, with defender impeded in her action.
54' Missed foul and YC for SPA
https://streamff.com/v/9dc9bd
AR2 could have helped: careless action stopping player in a promising attack.
59' - YC for SPA
https://streamff.com/v/50a5e8
Reported by AR1, correct decision.
85' - YC for blatant holding
https://streamff.com/v/865bba
OK decision by referee, but not consistent with some previous calls.
90'+3 - YC for reckless challenge
https://streamff.com/v/2f4a3f
Very harsh, in the spirit of football here I can't imagine more than a foul whistled against attacker for careless action, the context was saying that.
Rebecca Welch went very often by book for some offenses, but to me she wasn't fully able to read the background of the game.
It is a performance below expected level because game was of normal difficulty, and in past a harsh observer could have assigned a definitely low mark like 8.1... I think in reality this is a very clear 8.2 nowadays.
IMO (not seen the game):
Delete16' and 21' - no cards, match opening, same criteria, poor body language...
30. - YC, clear lack of respect
45' - no foul, wrong YC. even if there was a foul, I would say no SPA as the ball was far away from the attacker
54' - foul and YC for SPA. The AR must help, it is question of priority management - no potential offside switch to potential contact / foul play
59' . correct decision, great AR1
85' - correct decision
90+3 - can support, high intensity of contact
Small addition: It seems not AUT #3 but GER #3 got booked according to the UEFA website. She can be seen immediately after the collisison crouching down next to the Austria player and giving her a piece of her mind it seems.
DeleteMartinčić for the last quarterfinal.
ReplyDeletePortuguese, Polish, Dutch and Italian VAR crews are the only "survivors", it seems confirmed as well.
So now one could maybe predict Foster and Staubli (both not appointed as fourth official in KO stage so far) as referees for semifinals. I wonder whether there could be problems for committee in appointing the Welsh with England in the other game, but I think still possible. And then the final referee to be selected among the 4 who officiated in this stage? What do you think?
Huerta de Aza appointment as fourth official could suggest she is out...
Totally agree! I would appoint Staubli and Foster for the semifinals. Both excellent referees which have a clear style and solid matches in group stage.
DeleteFor the final I see Martincic as the « dark horse ». She’s great and if she performs well tomorrow, she could suprise us! I’d love to see her, great potential.
I wonder whether UEFA will indeed appoint so many referees in the knockout stage. Including Foster and Staubli, there would be at least 10 referees (= almost each one who didn't/doesn't suffer from COVID) which seems "unnecessarily" much. But maybe UEFA didn't want to reduce the number exactly with regard to potential COVID issues this time ...
DeleteIndeed the opposite logic would mean, that Huerta and Lehtovaara get the semifinals and Foster and Staubli are out.
DeleteFurthermore I think, there are also some chances for Adamkova and Monzul (in the 2nd one) for the semifinals.
Overall it is good that there are some options and it is not totally clear.
@Peter
DeleteAbout the argument "many referees" in KO stage, indeed I think that they kept all names mostly for COVID reasons, nobody left the group.
Maybe Foster and Staubli für SF and Lehtovaara directly into the final?
Delete@Chefren: Either for COVID reasons or as some kind of reward for the referees' flexibility that was required when Adamkova, Hussein und Oloffson had to be replaced which guaranteed that the group stage could be finished without having had to publicly communicate "big issues"
DeleteOlofsson
DeleteI have to agree, it does seem that Foster & Staubli may well be in-line for the semi's.
DeleteAt Euro 2016, UEFA kept Clattenburg for the final despite Wales reaching semi-finals. Now that could work for Foster with England in the semi-finals.
DeleteIt would be very weird to give your CL-final referee 2 minor games which she survived without big issues and then not appoint her anywhere in the KO-stage… let’s see
ReplyDeleteYou can make the contrary reasoning, maybe committee had already planned that and they assigned the Finnish to CL final as compensation.
DeleteTo answer to Philipp as well, I think there are too many arguments against Lehtovaara, in my opinion she would have already got a game in KO stage, the management by committee is too particular and gives us all the clues she will not appear again in the pitch. We will see!
If I recall, we were all quite surprised that Lehtovaara was assigned to the CL final in the first place :)
DeleteLet's see. She did well in group stage - based on performance, a KO assignment should follow.
At least one big name is missing in the KO or one referee goes straight into the final.
I‘m surprise about appointment of martincic for QF. So i think foster and huerta will get s SF and Monzul get the final.
ReplyDeleteYou get the impression that within UEFA, everything is always planned in advance. This is a very bad development.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, after the last few seasons, I do no longer enjoy to review a referees' performance in detail. I'm no longer keen on following their developments closely. It is useless to make predictions. The best performing referee is never in a final. This must be demovating for the referees as well...
I can only hope and pray that at FIFA World Cup's, the performance is leading.
anyone an idea why the level of refereeing - even with var - is so poor in this tournament? we not even have a handful of matches where an observer could give an 8.4??? i think uefa must ask themselves how this many mistakes could happen, even with var...
ReplyDeleteYess. This is a very bad level of referees. Realy sorry about that.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that many observer gived referees before the EM a bad marked to kill her for nothing.Then you have bo chance to go to a final tournament. The football understanding is kill.
ReplyDeletemarks don't really matter if you see staubli and monzul performance in women champions league, many var-corrections and missed cards...and now even the vars who do men champions league and nations league and wc qualifiers failed many times...
Deletewhat is uefa looking at then? They give better options in group 1.
DeleteThe problem is that many observer gived referees before the EM a bad marked to kill her for nothing.Then you have bo chance to go to a final tournament. The football understanding is kill.
ReplyDeleteI don't really mind having Frappart get the final this time even though she's actually underserved based on his performances on this tournament so far. But what worries me more is the big picture of this whole "political/designated" appointments, which is forcing female referees to officiate men's matches under the pretext of "gender equality" (in fact based on fairness value Frappart and the others just on the list of 1st category referees which means impossible if a man referee from 1st category lead a match or become 4th official as main referee not VAR officials in World Cup now), forcing female referees to break a record seems like an extraordinary things to do mere diversion of the systemic failure to separate political agenda.
ReplyDeleteAny ideas what happened to Wendy Toms (Eng) as assessor? Couple of early games and then no more. As she is in home country, would think she would be used more?
ReplyDeleteWhat is the current status of Hussein, Adamkova and Olofsson?
ReplyDeleteCorrect first YC for holding (16‘)
ReplyDeleteGoal ruled out after VAR for offside, very close situation; no real blame for AR
ReplyDelete50/50 offside decision, no VAR stuff imo.
ReplyDeleteOffside is always a clear decision.
DeleteThere is no such thing as a clear decision because you always have a certain error margin due to technical limitations. If the decision is so close that you start putting three dimensional plumb lines into a two dimensional picture (obviously mathematical nonesense), you should rather trust the AR decision because she had a better angle than any camera.
DeleteAlso 10 cm offside is a clear wrong decision…
DeleteWe know your opinion about VAR and offside now, no need to repeat it every time: LOTG are clear, VAR has to intervene here. I also don’t really understand why you expect technology to have margins but not humans: why should we trust the human eye that has to deal with a lot of events at once more than technology?
DeleteAs long as the law of the game breaks the law of nature, we are forced to repeatedly bring up the subject.
DeleteBut this is a discussion of a referee performance and we judge referees on the application of the rules. Your problem lies with the rules, but you can’t blame the ref or VAR for following those. I will admit that I don’t understand the first thing about technology so I can’t judge your claim on its correctness, I just think this isn’t the place to bring it up (repeatedly)
DeleteVAR intervention, 1-0 for SWE disallowed due to an offside position. AR1 can never be blamed for that, impossible to detect on the pitch.
ReplyDeleteCorrect to disallow 1-0 by Sweden. Impossible to see for AR1.
ReplyDeleteVery poor performance from Monzul so far. In fact I don’t think I’ve ever seen her perform well. No conviction in her decisions, she looks lost
ReplyDeleteHas VAR taken a coffee break?
ReplyDeleteIf you are talking about the potential handball penalty in 63': One replay suggests, that the she played the ball with the head and not the arm. Even in case of a arm contact, it would be debatable, because she doesn't really increase her body surface.
DeleteSome mistakes in this performance. Missed (dark) YC for a stamp (61'), same player only warned for another foul (72'). Now player altercation solved without cards, no doubt because BEL #20 was already on a yellow...
ReplyDeleteUnbelievable, rather unacceptable, that BEL #16 ends the match on the pitch.
DeleteI do not know what some of you guys see but IMO a very strong performance by Monzul. Match is not challenging and there were no difficult key incidents (apart from the VAR intervention, again IMO AR1 can never be blamed for that) but Monzul shows a strong body language, foul detection is good and also very consistent disciplinary approach (one can argue that there should have been one or two more, but we know the instructions...). I see a performance I did not see yesterday.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing that annoys me a bit is the "double whistles". I have heard that already in the tournament, is this usual in some countries?
IMO, Monzul is no candidate for the final
DeleteIf not Monzul, who can do it? In that case it would be either Martincic, someone without a knockout game or Frappart in case France loses today (but if Monzul is out Frappart should definitely be out as well)
DeleteBad additional time management here as well, quite a lot this tournament. Apart from that Monzul should still be in contention for the final after this game
ReplyDeleteFinal whistle much to early. Because of the goal she should have added some time...
ReplyDeleteHow long did the Swedish celebrate, 1 minute?
If much of the original added time was based on Belgium time wasting, I think not adding more time is acceptable based on the advantage rule
DeleteAt about 13", a French player went past a Dutch player on what could have been a promising attack near the Dutch penalty box, to be brought down with a tactical foul, and no YC.
ReplyDelete37" Dutch clear off their goal line and near pass to goalkeeper inside their penalty box, but not obvious enough to warrant a call.
ReplyDeleteNever deliberate pass to GK
Delete39' the commentator said, "I'm surprised this is a card," but Dutch player threw her leg across a French player's legs while she running, so obvious YC, IMO.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely wrong free kick for France in 91’. French player lost control of the ball, played it too far ahead, and Dutch player then made a clean block tackle.
ReplyDeleteShe whistled the foul before the tackle.
DeleteAgain weird time management. Extra time was over when she awarded a corner kick, but she only whistles 15 seconds later when France was ready to take the corner. Either allow it or end the game immediately? Apart from that, no real problems
ReplyDeleteCorrect OFR leading to a penalty for France + YC. Clear foul, defender did not play the ball.
ReplyDeleteWhy YC was corrent? DOGSO imo.
DeleteYes, YC for DOGSO as it can be seen as a genuine attempt to play the ball. YC is the expected decision here.
DeleteIt's a DOGSO YC since the defender tried to play the ball
DeleteCorrect. Law 12
Delete"Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off."
It’s reckless no matter what you think of it.
DeleteCorrect VAR penalty
ReplyDeleteNever a penalty!
DeleteAbsoultely correct OFR and imo should've been spotted by Martincic live
ReplyDeleteAgreed, at least in communication with AR1. AR1 had the best angle to see that the ball was not played at all. The contact by the defender should have been seen by Martincic.
DeleteTerrible OFR. This is never a clear and obvious mistake.
ReplyDeleteVAR is going the wrong way, every possible touch is being used for an OFR last season. Referees are too afraid to hold on to their own decision.
I’m sorry, but much clearer we won’t see them anytime soon… Only thing is, not for the first time this tournament, VAR check ánd OFR took very (too) long for a rather plain and straightforward penalty and YC situation.
Deletelet me guess, you're from the netherlands? totally clear and compelling penalty
DeleteSorry, but not every touch is a penalty. But I almost forgot I’m on a blog where everybody wants to see a dead match.
DeleteCome on guys, this contact is so minimal. It is a terrible decision
Poor foul detection the last few minutes by Martincic, and quite a lot decisions now go against the Dutch
DeleteThere have been long stoppages in all three halves so far, none of which seem to have been adequately catered for with additional time. First half having an injury for over a minute and zero added time was the most questionable for me.
ReplyDeleteOn the penalty, yes, OFR expected and penalty seemed clear enough. Only slight question mark is whether the French player went into the tackle trying to find contact (eg changing lanes/line of run), but that was minimal and penalty correct for me
Do you even see what you’re saying?
DeleteFrench player is looking for contact, there is minimal contact, so penalty is correct. Read that out loud and try not to laugh please
He doesn’t say any of your (23:18) first two statements that way
Delete@Anonymous 23:25 did you read the last sentence?
DeleteI did, he says that the ‘looking for contact’ was minimal, not the contact itself
DeleteAfter having great 90minutes now Martincic seems loosing focus. It’s sad.. somehow I saw her as a potential final referee but after the missing penalty and now within 1 minute not whistling handball, yc for using arm as tool and the stamping…
ReplyDeleteShe’s had 3 VAR interventions now already, I think that is too much for a final referee anyway and yes, the past 10/15 minutes haven’t been good
DeleteAnd again a wrong free kick for the French after Renate jumping into her opponent by herself. The Dutch didn’t do anything wrong.
Deletetotally agree.. somehow losing focus and lack of management. I think she’s no longer a contender for the final
DeleteThe penalty after OFR was correct for me, but in the 2nd part of the extra time, within a minute a missed handball by the French and than a missed foul and YC for reckless stamp on the foot. Martinis did a good job, but after the OFR (again, correct one for me) I thought Martinic lost focus a bit.
ReplyDeleteI agree. In extra time, she struggles to keep concentration. I had the same impression. Foul detection + disciplinary control is, compared to the regular time, not convincing.
Deletein the end there seems to be just Frappart and Monzul who are able to handle the final
ReplyDeleteOr does any other referee come in consideration?
Well Frappart is out now, so it’s Monzul or someone without a previous knockout game
DeleteFrappart might be out considering that France is in SF. IMO Monzul is the expected appointment. I saw her last match and found it convincing.
DeleteSF prediction
ReplyDeleteENG-SWE: Adamkova, Ratajova (CZE), Sukenikova (SVK), Demetrescu (ROU) - Martins, Godinho (POR), Kwiatkowski (POL)
GER-FRA: Monzul, Striletska (UKR), Baranowska (POL), Staubli (SUI) - Valeri, Mariani (ITA), van Boekel (NED)
ENG-SWE: Staubli, Küng (SUI), Rafalski (GER), Demetrescu (ROU) - Dingert, Osmers (GER), Van Boekel (NED)
DeleteGER-FRA: Foster (WAL), O'Neill (IRL), Irodotou (CYP), Adamkova (CZE) - Kwiatkowski, Frankowski (POL), Martins (POR)
i’m a bit biased, but I also think that Staubli will have her SF at least, but tomorrow we will see what commitee decides
DeleteMy predictions
Deletesemifinals:
Eng-Swe Esther Staubli (Swi) 4th: Jana Adamkova (Cze)
Ger-Fra Lina Lehtovaara (Fin) 4th Marta Huerta de Aza (Spa)
Final:
....-.... Katharyna Monzul (Ukr) 4th: Ivana Martincic (Cro)
I think Martinic, over-all, did a decent job. However, one should take in account that she missed a pretty clear penalty. Some of the yellow cards were not that needed or clear for me. And in the last minutes, the missed clear handball and the clear stamp on the foot, that should have resulted in a yellow card for the French.
ReplyDeleteA more than deserved win to the French, but if we would grade Martinic, I'd not get higher than a 7,8 (8,2).
She surely has potential, I like her presence on the pitch, but no final contender for me.
Final: Foster if no ENG or Monzul
ReplyDelete3rd place: Lehotvaara
Final clear Monzul. She was great!!! Only this referee was strong. SF= Huerta and Lethovina
DeleteThere is no third place game and I don’t think they will save Foster for the final with a big chance that she ends up with nothing. Foster, to me, is a lock for GER-FRA. The final could go to either Monzul or Lehtovaara, while the other options for ENG-SWE (apart from Lehtovaara) are Huerta de Aza and Staubli. My prediction would be:
DeleteENG-SWE Lehtovaara (FIN) - Staubli (SUI) - Martins (POR)
GER-FRA Foster (WAL) - Huerta de Aza (ESP) - Van Boekel (NED)
Final Monzul (UKR) - Welch / Frappart (if national team eliminated, otherwise Martincic) - Kwiatkowski (POL)
I think Frappart should have dropped out for the final, if in the end France didn't make it to the final and the final referee was Frappart it would seem like a very forced condition in a negative sense. The other candidate is Monzul (UKR) I don't know how great she is, I've watched him in the men's (Andorra) and she didn't show impress performance at all at such an unequal level of play (opponent England). Indeed that's because in the men's game so of course it's a different thing compared to women's football which I don't know if she deserves to be the final referee based on her performance so far in this competition or she will just be a UEFA pawn to show their political support for the current situation.
ReplyDeleteI think Frappart should have dropped out for the final, if in the end France didn't make it to the final and the final referee was Frappart it would seem like a very forced condition in a negative sense. The other candidate is Monzul (UKR) I don't know how great she is, I've watched him in the men's (Andorra) and she didn't show impress performance at all at such an unequal level of play (opponent England). Indeed that's because in the men's game so of course it's a different thing compared to women's football which I don't know if she deserves to be the final referee based on her performance so far in this competition or she will just be a UEFA pawn to show their political support for the current situation.
ReplyDeleteIf France fails to reach the Final. Guaranteed it's Frappart's Final. Not because she deserves it. Based on her performances, she doesn't. But because the UEFA Referee Committee will continue to go out of its way to cater to her.
ReplyDeleteIf England fails to reach the Final. It will be Welch in the Final. Not because she deserves it either. But because there has to be some sort of English representation in the Final. So Rosetti and his referee committee will continue to bend over backward to please the English FA.