Stadio Olimpico, Rome (ITA)
AS Roma - FC Barcelona
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Nicolas Rainville (FRA)
Fourth Official: Hicham Zakrani (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Dennis Cruise (IRL)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Nicolas Rainville (FRA)
Fourth Official: Hicham Zakrani (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Dennis Cruise (IRL)
10.04.2018, 20:45 CET
City of Manchester Stadium, Manchester (ENG)
Manchester City FC - Liverpool FC
Referee: Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez Del Palomar (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez Del Palomar (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Carlos Del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: Teodoro Sobrino Magán (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bo Karlsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Bernd Barutta (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: Teodoro Sobrino Magán (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bo Karlsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Bernd Barutta (GER)
So Mazic and Skomina tomorrow!!
ReplyDeleteNo surprise today. So tomorrow Mazic in Madrid and Skomina in München?
ReplyDeleteWhy not the other way around? :)
DeleteMazic was appointed before 0-3 in Turin being the candidate for final? But Skomina`s appointment happened yesterday or maybe on Friday
I really don't understand the point of bringing in Skomina in the appointments by the Committee... Unnecessary and illogical!!
DeleteThat said, if he has to be a candidate for the Final, then he shouldn't be in a Semi-final and from that that perspective bringing him in for an already decided Real Madrid v Juventus would be a good idea... So I'll say it's Mazic to Bayern and Skomina to Madrid!!
DeleteStill no kuipers despite refereeing in eredivise every week. But,why is nobody talking about mateu lahoz for final? Inexperience or because of Spanish teams likely to go all the way? @soham,if we have classico final,will the committee allow lahoz if he's considered Worthy?
ReplyDeleteThere wasn`t precident at UEFA competition that match between one country teams was refereed by the referee of this country
DeleteNo Mateu can't referee Spanish teams in UCL, that's the convention followed traditionally... Also I don't think he's ready for a final yet so we can't wait for a couple of seasons more... And coming to Kuipers' absence, I'm struggling to find explanations... Real Madrid v Juventus would've been an ideal game to bring him back but Committee has spilled it out by bringing in Skomina... I at least expect that we will see him in EL QF and in case of a Classico SF he will be required!!
DeleteI could imagine Skomina to EL, especially after all what happened in Lazio - Salzburg, surely the return match needs one of the top class referees of Europe.
DeleteThe fact that appointment was made on Friday can allow that it was for Europa League. We will see tomorrow.
DeleteAs others have said, a referee can't handle a match in which at least one of the teams is of the same nationality. If both are, that doesn't change (for now, at least).
DeleteThat said, and with the appointments management he has had this season, I've the feeling that, from now and given that his performances in Europe are good enough, if there is an available slot for a spanish referee in the final, he will get it. For instance, if Atlético doesn't qualify for EL final, I can expect Mateu Lahoz there.
About Kuipers, there has been talk ongoing for a few matchdays now. He has been predicted for both UCL and UEL. He has appeared in none. Let's see if he makes it to the next rounds (which I think he should). Could be a candidate for the final if it is Madrid-Barcelona.
Kuipers already had a CL final, so he isn't a candidate anymore.
DeleteVincic has a domestic match on Friday, that rules out Skomina for the EL.
Soham, it seems you are "attacking" the Committee just because you'd like to appoint Kuipers (old story). Why would Skomina need to skip appointments just because of Kuipers?
That said, your are obviously assuming that Skomina might "steal" Kuipers' appointment. Do you have any proof that Kuipers was planned at all?
DeleteDo you recall first news when it seemed that Skomina won't be appointed (domestic appointments of Jug and Praprotnik). I only shared this information, without blaming or accusing anyone!
DeleteAnd it seems you're attacking me because Skomina is your favourite and I've written something about him... I haven't even taken Kuipers' name for once... Some referee was appointed (be that Kuipers or anyone else) , then Skomina has been brought in his place... In view that is unnecessary and illiogical, and just because I'm spoken about Skomina you're again on me (old story too)!!
DeleteI'm not blaming Skomina or anyone here... And if it wasn't Skomina there wasn't any other than candidate than Kuipers... Forget about Kuipers... Whoever was initially appointed should've got the match and it was unnecessary to being Skomina in... That's my view... It's not about Skomina stealing the appointment, it's about that I'm not agreeing with Committee's choices that's it... And overall if I want to see Kuipers get appointed, there's no harm in that... And there is no "blaming" or "accusing" Skomina for once...
DeleteThat said I firmly believe that the Committee has stolen someone's appointment and given it to Skomina... That's not a great thing to do when the matches are already almost pre decided... And if the final is Real Madrid v Barcelona I think someone like Cakir has to do a 2nd final... An EL Classico with Skomina or Mazic as referees will have all the chances of being a disaster as it's a completely different ball game and these refs have never ever been in the middle of such atmosphere... That's just my opinion and I hope Skomina fans won't attack me for it!!
DeleteI'm aware that Kuipers has already handled a CL final, but I don't think that really should exclude him. Real Madrid-Barcelona in the final is a really tough and difficult match. In my opinion, it needs one of the very top UEFA referees. Kuipers, Çakir in his current form, Brych... personally I don't really think Skomina belongs to that group.
DeleteI just think that Kuipers wont appear at all in Champions League. I never saw a referee directly appointed in semifinal in this competition.
DeleteMaybe Europa League, but not sure.
Also, one must underline the big trust on Makkelie by committee, the young Dutch in a way replaced Kuipers in this KO stage.
Yes and Makkelie needs to be developed well... The baton will be passed over to him after the World Cup as Kuipers made it clear... From Euro onwards it will be Makkelie representing Dutch refereeing in all big tournaments!!
Delete@Chefren This is exactly where my question lies to the Committee... A referee is fit since March, he has cleared all rigorous fitness tests for the World Cup, he is regularly whistling top division matches in his country every week, he has not received a poor mark this entire season in Europe, he is a considerably good officiating form... Why is that referee not appointed for the KO stages yet?? Is it for prevention?? Whatever reason they might have, it's illogical!!
DeleteSoham, first of all, try to calm down. As I already wrote once, I'm too old to be a "fan" of anyone. Of course I am fond of Skomina as we are both Slovenians, but that's it. I support him as I support Slovenian national teams in every sport, for example. I try to discuss objectively and IMO you are getting irrational sometimes. It is a general consensus that Skomina is at least a strong candidate for the CL final. I have no problem with opinions that he isn't up to it etc, everyone has a right to think so. But saying that the appointment of an Elite referee, who is a final candidate, considering there aren't many other options for various reasons, is "illogical", "unnecessary", that he needs to "rest" etc, that I cannot buy. And that's all, no matter we are talking about Skomina, Mazic or John Smith.
DeleteSoham, you should ask directly committee for knowing that.
DeleteWe can't know whether Kuipers has been appointed or not, it is indeed possible that he has not been appointed at all, because, after an injury, UEFA doesn't want to risk him in big games, in addition, a major tournament is already waiting for him.
In my opinion, whoever out of Kuipers, Mazic, Skomina is left out on Wednesday should get a EL QF and then a CL SF. My choice would be Skomina for that, but it would make sense for all of them.
DeleteKuipers should get 1-2 international matches to have him ready for (a good) WC.
For the CL final, in my opinion, Skomina deserves it a little bit more than Mazic based only on performances, but the Serbian might be a better choice looking at the future. Also in case of Clasico, I feel Mazic might fit better.
@Chefren : Yes, prevention is the only logic I can think of :)
Delete@Sale : If he was appointed from before it was fine, but to bring him in after 1st leg when 3 ties are almost pre decided IMO is unnecessary... A rest in between R16 and SF could've freshened him up, who knows! That's what I think... And for me too Skomina is the prime candidate for this year's final and ahead of Mazic... And for that I would have wanted him to do a CL R16, EL QF and then the CL finals which is more often than not the case for referee whistling the Final!!
There are also two other options. First being that Skomina was appointed earlier. The domestic appointments from which Praprotnik and Jug were removed are in fact two postponed matches. The appointments for those were made in March already and maybe the fact that they were changed on Friday is only a coincidence. Maybe the web administrator of Slovenian football federation simply forgot to refresh the web page before.
DeleteThe other theoretical options is of course that Praprotnik and Jug were removed for other reasons. I was checking but I couldn't find any official explanation though.
If that's the case my apologies to the Committee... I shared my opinion pertaining to a particular situation and that's it :) Is Slavko Vincic confirmed on Friday btw??
DeleteYes. Slavko Vincic is still appointed for Friday 13th of April in “semi important “ match in Slovenian 2nd league.
DeleteThey should change it... I can understand Vincic is only going to be AAR but it will be hectic to whistle a match in Slovenia on Friday after being involved in a CL match in Spain or Germany on Wednesday!!
DeleteMany many years ago I arrived by plane from Greece in the morning and I was refereeing a match in Slovenia on the same day in the evening. :) One can manage it, but it could be avoided, for sure.
DeleteThis thing with Kuipers reminds me on Rosetti in 2010. He was also long time injured, only two group stage matches in CL, then CL semi finals Bayern-Lyon and then World cup and retire. The same might happened to Kuipers - CL semi finals and then World Cup.
Delete@Chefren Rosetti was directly appointed to CL semi finals. But I remember even "bigger surprise' cosidering CL final appointments. Lubos Michel was appointed to CL final in 2008 without a single knock out stage match in CL that season.
Delete@CroRef: Lubos Michel in 2008 was a special case. He was injured at the beginning of that year (and having, amongst others, led to two Round of 16 appointments for Konrad Plautz who replaced him at MILAN - ARSENAL). After having recovered (but still before the start of the EURO tournament) he announced to retire later that year at the age of only 40. I think that this decision was the major reason for rewarding his long-term achievements with the UCL final.
DeleteMore likely, Mateu Lahoz is a candidate for EL final. The only "problem" is Atletico Madrid... difficult to see this team eliminated before the final. In case, I would bet on the Spanish for the last act of Europa League.
ReplyDeleteCL final is simply impossible due to Barcelona and Real Madrid!
FIFA Women's World Cup - UEFA qualifying round
ReplyDelete9 April 2018
12:00 CET
Kazakhstan - Russia // Group 1
Referee: Ivana Martinčić (CRO)
Assistant Referee 1: Sanja Rođak-Karšić (CRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Maja Petravić (CRO)
Fourth Official: Kristina Yanushkevich (KAZ)
17:00 CET
Croatia - Hungary // Group 4
Referee: Cheryl Foster (WAL)
Assistant Referee 1: Laura Griffiths (WAL)
Assistant Referee 2: Rebecca Thomas (WAL)
Fourth Official: Ivona Pejić (CRO)
18:00 CET
Denmark - Ukraine // Group 4
Referee: Jana Adámková (CZE)
Assistant Referee 1: Chrysoúla Kourompýlia (GRE)
Assistant Referee 2: Jana Zaplatilová (CZE)
Fourth Official: Line-Maria Rasmussen (DEN)
10 April 2018
16:00 CET
Bosnia and Herzegovina - England // Group 1
Referee: Andromáchi Tsioflíki (GRE)
Assistant Referee 1: Georgía Komisopoúlou (GRE)
Assistant Referee 2: María Détsi (GRE)
Fourth Official: Almira Spahić (BIH)
16:00 CET
Albania - Belarus // Group 2
Referee: Ifeoma Kulmala (FIN)
Assistant Referee 1: Nina Hammarberg (FIN)
Assistant Referee 2: Jenni Mahlamäki (FIN)
Fourth Official: Mirela Çemeri (ALB)
16:00 CET
Slovenia - Germany // Group 5
Referee: Sarah Garratt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Lisa Rashid (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Kirsty Dowle (ENG)
Fourth Official: Helena Buh (SVN)
16:00 CET
Israel - Serbia // Group 7
Referee: Araksya Saribekyan (ARM)
Assistant Referee 1: Liana Grigoryan (ARM)
Assistant Referee 2: Hasmik Gharibyan (ARM)
Fourth Official: May Moalem (ISR)
18:00 CET
Faroe Islands - Iceland // Group 5
Referee: Anastasiya Romanyuk (UKR)
Assistant Referee 1: Oleksandra Vdovina (UKR)
Assistant Referee 2: Iryna Petrova (UKR)
Fourth Official: Jóhan Hendrik Ellefsen (FRO)
18:00 CET
Italy - Belgium // Group 6
Referee: Katalin Kulcsár (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: Katalin Török (HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: Anita Vad (HUN)
Fourth Official: Tiziana Trasciatti (ITA)
18:00 CET
Moldova - Romania // Group 6
Referee: Vesna Budimir (CRO)
Assistant Referee 1: Gordana Katušić (CRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Barbara Vidović (CRO)
Fourth Official: Maria Bucliș (MDA)
20:00 CET
Republic of Ireland - Netherlands // Group 3
Referee: Stéphanie Frappart (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Manuela Nicolosi (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Solenne Bartnik (FRA)
Fourth Official: Michelle O'Neill (IRL)
20:30 CET
Northern Ireland - Norway // Group 3
Referee: Lina Lehtovaara (FIN)
Assistant Referee 1: Tonja Paavola (FIN)
Assistant Referee 2: Heini Hyvönen (FIN)
Fourth Official: Paula Brady (IRL)
20:30 CET
Austria - Spain // Group 7
Referee: Anastasiya Pustovoytova (RUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Yekaterina Kurochkina (RUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Sabina Valiyeva (RUS)
Fourth Official: Sara Telek (AUT)
20:35 CET
Scotland - Poland // Group 2
Referee: Riem Hussein (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Sina Diekmann (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Franziska Wildfeuer (GER)
Fourth Official: Kylie Cockburn (SCO)
Friendly tomorrow
DeleteFrance-Canada: Steinhaus, Rafalski, Appelmann (GER)
Miguel Martínez Munuera (FIFA AR) with a wrong offside with the player starting with from his own half in Real Madrid-Atlético.
ReplyDeleteVery controversial 1st half by Miguel Munuera and Estrada Fernandez
DeleteAnd why not both Skomina and Mazic in Europa League?
ReplyDelete:)
Because Vincic has a domestic appointment on Friday afternoon. Who shall replace him as an AAR? Both Kajtazovic and Obrenovic are busy in Slovenia on Wed/Thu. A non-FIFA ref? Don't think so.
DeleteIs this some kind of bombshell hint dropped by DrMr?? :D He gives us a fair deal of solid information most of the time... In case we see both in EL who will be the 2 names for CL? I'm struggling to find many more options :/
DeleteWhy would you remove Jug from appointment on Tuesday and at the same time appoint him on Saturday domestically if he is to appear in EL on Thursday? It doesn't make any sense, as doesn't dropping Vincic from the international team.
DeleteHe just asked it in form of a question that why it is not possible... For god's sake, he isn't claiming that they are both definitely in EL... You're overreacting, my friend!!
DeleteSorry Soham, this time, it's just my feeling...
DeleteWe are all so sure about those two names for tommorow, that I must believe we're all wrong :)
But I totaly missed Jug's domestic appointment, as @Sale said.
Sale is passionate, I can understand that.
DeleteWhere did you spot overreacting, my dear Soham? Yes, he asked a question and I tried to explain why the offered option doesn't seem probable. It was you who started to follow Drmr's suggestion ;)
DeleteI was asking him a question too because he certainly has more knowledge of UEFA circles than me :D For the time being, I too think these are the 2 names for tomorrow unless Committee drastically surprises us!! ;)
DeleteAlways expect unexpected
DeleteThat's true but Mazic has to be in CL... I'm 1000% sure :)
DeleteHorațiu Mircea Feșnic appointed to UEFA U17 EURO.
ReplyDeleteRemaining main referees are from Croatia (Strukan/Jović/Pejin/Zebec?), Czech Republic (Orel?), Estonia (Frischer?), Republic of Ireland (Harvey/Hennessy?), Iceland (Þórarinsson?), Netherlands (Higler?) and Turkey (Meler?).
http://frf.ro/comunicate/comunicate-frf/romani-prezenti-la-turneele-finale-under-17-id23886.html
Regards!
DeleteAbout Croatia: Jovic already officiated in two EURO's, including last year when he was originaly appointed as fourth official and ended as main referee in quarter final. My guess is Pejin but I will try to find out.
ReplyDeleteOT :
ReplyDeleteCan someone please tell me from which year did Rocchi become an Elite referee in UEFA?
He's in the elite group since 1 July 2010
DeleteMany thanks :)
DeleteI know why you ask that question,Soham ;)
DeleteCan you share with me what your assumption is, Dan? :D
DeleteI see same name that edited the referee wikipedia,the coincidence that Rocchi's page had edited this afternoon shortly after you asked that question. :D
DeleteYou're absolutely correct... I indeed confirmed the info to make a in Rocchi's Wikipedia page... Superb spot that :D
DeleteFor Kuipers it is still possible that he first gets an EL-match on Thursday. Like Marseille-Leipzig. And then HF in CL for him.
ReplyDeleteSkomina, Cakir and Rocchi for CL halffinals, too?
And then Mazic for the final. Would make sense, wouldn't it?
Mazic directly getting a final without any prior CL KO game in unlikely but not impossible!!
DeleteEccentric Mateu theatrics have started :D Lovely to watch as always :D :D
ReplyDeleteIn terms of body language it looked a little ridiculous, but both YC correct here.
ReplyDeleteWhat a beginning in Manchester... will be a difficult and tense match for Mateu Lahoz. So far, two correct YC.
ReplyDeleteSo far, a calm game in Rome for Turpin.
ReplyDelete24': reaction, possible violent conduct by Rakitic?
DeleteIt’s ok decision. Both of players were holding each other. But in 25’ must be punished iniesta- yc for stopping promissing attack.
DeleteMateu showing who's the boss to Bernardo :D
ReplyDeleteI read that Mateu has already booked two players for dissenting behavior! Challenging game for the Spanish....
ReplyDeleteVery challenging. 3 penalty appeals so far, 2 bookings for dissent and the other two for confrontation between two players.
DeleteDespite his awkward body language he is in good control of the match. Two situations in Liverpool's box where he correctly didn't whistle a penalty for city, correct Yellow Cards so far.
Delete32': there was a penalty appeal for handball by Roma, but the ball hit the chest, absolutely correct decision by Turpin and AAR2.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the French could have issued a YC a few minutes ago but for now still OK.
Now correct yc to Firmino.
ReplyDeleteBig problem with the offside decision to disallow the goal.
ReplyDeleteWrong goal disallowed to Sane there, last touch came off Milner.
ReplyDeleteExcellent Mateu Lahoz so far, but what a huge mistake with the disallowed City's goal... No one from the referee team detected that the pass came off Milner. VAR is a must.
ReplyDeleteCrucial mistake by Mateu and AR1... All chances for EL final goes out of the window :'(
ReplyDeleteWhat a mistake... unbelievable that this wasn‘t detected
ReplyDeleteThe mistake is that the player who scored was not in an offside position from the teammate pass. So no matter if you think Milner deliberately played the ball or it’s a deflection it doesn’t matter because the attacker was onside on the first pass.
DeleteTurpins game heating up. Roma players starts to protest about the decicions and Fazio is close to a second yellow. Strong verbal varning by Turpin only 2 minutes after his YC. After the halftime whistle Roma players was angry at Turpin.
ReplyDeleteRightfully so,on that Fazio YC it was spent around 2 minutes and no stoppage time at the end???...Really surprising.
DeleteYes, after a quite calm first part of first half, things changed in the last minutes... now Turpin is facing many protests by Roma players.
DeleteNo injury time in Rome, very weird. At least three minutes should have been awarded
ReplyDeleteWell, Rome has wasted quite some time, when moving to the correct distance at free kicks. As they still need to score, it is OK, not to add on this time.
DeleteLet's see if Guardiona is in the bench in the second half. Huge protests to Mateu Lahoz which for me are enough for a sending off.
ReplyDeleteI think the "shut up" gesture is enough for a sending off
DeleteYes,he sent him to the stands.
DeleteWhich is your opinion about the gestures that Guardiola made towards Mateu at the end of first half?
ReplyDeleteHe got sent off.
DeleteThat was too much but the Problem is the really big mistake (offside)
DeleteI understand guardiola
Even we miss some call(s), the players and officials can’t talk ugly with us.
DeleteYes... you are right! I just want to say that i can understand that guardiola is really angry —> this was total clear
DeleteA shame that mistake in the offside, because in all other aspects the first half has been top level. TV showed AR1 talking through the microphone after disallowing the goal, so they were surely in doubt about that last touch.
ReplyDeleteThis disallowed goal for the possible 2-0 by Manchester City was another spot for VAR. At the same time, Mateu Lahoz chances to get a final are over.
ReplyDeleteShame because he is having great performance so far .
Delete2nd half will be more than challenging... After Italy v Sweden, this is another test for for Mateu which will prove whether he is suitable for the absolute top clashes in Europe or not!!
ReplyDeleteGuardiola altercation with Mateu: https://streamable.com/sty5a
ReplyDeleteDisallowed goal is a huge mistake, but for me lahoz and his assistant can't really be blamed. At full speed, so close decisions can be wrong. That has imho very less to nothing to do with training, personality, positioning etc. That's the human factor. This is why we need the VAR, despite all controversies for example here in my home country.
ReplyDeleteWhat is your home country? Italy?
DeleteGermany
DeleteThe mistake is not that they thought Milner played deliberately or it was a deflection. The mistake is AR didn’t see the attacker was never even offside on the first pass from the teammate. That’s a huge mistake.
Deletehttps://streamable.com/62yov
ReplyDeleteThe wrongly disallowed goal.
AAR1 maybe has more responsibility than Mateu, but Mateu had to ensure a certain visual control of the action, in order to cooperate. Mistake to be shared within all the involved officials.
There was also an AAR1 there. 6 eyes didn't see who touched the ball....
ReplyDeleteYes, this is the question, I agree. At least one official had to keep an eye there.
DeleteMore than a crucial mistake... At this level the entire team has to take the blame there... In the course of the match that is a very, very critical mistake... Collina won't be happy with Mateu!!
DeleteWe can see that they had a quick consultation who played the ball? Or they were focused on the fact that GK was second to last defender.
DeleteThey all saw who played the ball but evalueted it as deflection not deliberate play.
DeleteGK boxed the ball, defender didn't have time to react, the ball hits him and deflects to attacker.
Thats my theory
Now I am confused: attacking player who scored the goal was not in the offside position at the moment of the initial first shot, so "deflection vs. deliberate play" is not relevant.
DeleteAfter that GK played the ball with his hands and then defender with his leg.
Am I missing something?
Soham/Chefren, please comment. Thanks.
It doesn't matter if the player was in offside position when the initial shot occurred: the GK played the ball deliberately, and although Milner's touch is IMO undeliberate and is a rebound, the GK intervention invalidates the offside position afterwards.
DeleteIt is a very difficult situation because there are many things to take into account (i.e. position at the initial shot, GK touch, deliberate or undeliberate touch by Milner, GK position, attacker position and last defender position) and that is what caused the mistake, IMO.
You've indeed made a good point... Victor also points out something similar just above this... I think it will be better to wait till Ray (as usual, thanks Ray :D) manages some video for us and we check it properly before reaching any conclusion!! :)
DeleteChefren posted the video just above this thread!!
DeleteTo be fair I think the position is indeed marginally offside but I would assess that as deliberate play by Milner and hence will allow the goal anyway... That's my view!!
DeletePlus as George points out earlier there's absolutely clear deliberate play by the goalkeeper as well so anyway the other things won't matter... The goal had to be allowed!!
DeleteAAR1 in Rome awarded Roma a penalty. Took a few seconds before Turpin pointed to the spot. Penalty seemes correct
ReplyDelete56': big call in Rome by AAR1, penalty suggested to Turpin.
ReplyDeleteClear foul in front of the net, but wrong card! It was not a genuine attempt to play the ball, so it should have been straight RC. Turpin issued YC.
So another referee whose season is over? :(
DeleteI think Lahoz is over - one of the referees had to see that situation. But I think it is not over for Turpin yet, in case of good performance til the end, I think even EL finals could be an option for him.
DeleteFinal in this season would be too much IMO... I want him develop further with more big games for a couple of more seasons and then final... An EL Semi-final would be a deserved appointment this time!!
DeleteAnd yes, Mateu completely knocked Man City out with that decision... It could've been so different if they went 2–0 up there before half time... The match got spoilt there!!
Not the best evening for Turpin, but at the same time overall not a so poor performance, just some weakness after some strong games in recent times. Luckily at the end, Roma managed this incredible outcome and now Barcelona is out.
DeleteThe most significant mistake is missed RC in occasion of the penalty assigned to Roma.
In any case, Turpin's season in UEFA competitions can be over after today, but overall still a positive picture if you ask me.
Considering CL semi finals I think Brych and Cakir are sure. Assuming good performance on Thursday Kuipers should be third and I think Mažić should be the fourth name. I don't think Mažić will get CL finals, maybe EL final - there is no doubt that he deserved it but you never know with UEFA. And I don't think Committee cares to much if this is his last season - in the past they were aware of De Bleeckere, Bo Larsen, Stark and some other big names are retireing but they did not get CL final. Moreover, they knew Fernandez Borbalan is retireing at the end of the season and they did not gave him a single knock-out stage match in Champions League.
DeleteYes clear red card on Pique
DeleteBeside all of what you guys wrote,after Roma goal he also opted not to give Fazio his 2nd YC,so not the best night for both refs.
Delete@referee 12 What do you think about Rocchi's chances for a CL SF??
DeleteIn my opinion I would like to see Rocchi, Kuipers, Mazic and Cakir!!
Roma qualification is not a good news for Rocchi, also unexpected, if Juventus will make the same tomorrow... it is possible to have both semifinals with an Italian team.
DeleteHowever, I think, in case Rocchi could be appointed only in the first leg of the game without the Italian team.
Brych should not be in CL as his AR1 Borsch allowed 2 clear offside goals in the KO stage... That just can't get you a SF appointment unless other options are all unavailable... We have already seen him 3 times so it would be better to see him whistle an EL semi-final rather than in CL!!
DeleteI don't know what is going on with Rocchi. In all our discussions on referees for last matches (sf and finals) Rocchi is the only one who was appointed just once. Everybody else had two or three matches. So I guess EL semi finals for him.
Delete@Soham: Brych is in a good form this season and it is easier to appoint other assistant than not to appoint Brych. But I don't even think UEFA considers thise tight offsides as such big mistakes that they would not appoint Brych to SF.
DeleteCroRef, there are certain matters which will be clear only after the SF appointments are out... Before that we can say nothing!!
DeleteThat is for sure :)
DeleteCould Turpin be backed for not giving the red?
DeleteMaybe because of the position, that the forward could not shot on goal, or sth?
My view: I think both decisions would have been acceptable.
DeleteOn the one hand, there are arguments really in favour of DOGSO: distance from the goal, positions of the other players, control of the ball...
On the other hand, one can consider that there were different times in this action:
-first, there was a clear pulling/holding of Piqué on Dzeko. An advantage was at that time successfully given by Buquet/Turpin.
-then, Piqué stopped pulling/holding his opponent and Dzeko kept the control of the ball, that's why I consider the advantage as successful.
-at last, he committed a foul with his feet, challenging his opponent from the ball, attempting to playing it. The yellow card is, for this last part, the appropriate sanction.
It's just, in my opinion, a matter of how you interpret the whole action, and especially whether you consider an advantage has been given.
At least I have some concerns about deeming this situation as a crystal clear mistake.
Turpin didnt give Fazio red card
ReplyDeleteWrong YC in 64' to LIV defender..
ReplyDelete90. Turpin looks to tired, he is so far away from the play.
ReplyDeleteGood Mateu Lahoz. He managed the game well, did everything allright... except one of the most important situations in the game. Yes, one of them had to see it. But reading some comments here it seems the performance was awful. It was not. Just one single mistake that truly affected the outcome of the match. A real shame.
ReplyDeleteThat said, good offside call by AR2 to disallow another City goal.
I agree with you.At the same time we all saw tonight what kinda pressure ref has,excellent game but one mistake and he is the one to be blamed.
DeleteTrue, George. Personally, I love his unique style. I really enjoy watching Mateu Lahoz on the pitch. His calls were good/acceptable through the whole game, just this one huge mistake. However, he will surely pay for that...
DeletePerformance was well but the only possible mark is 7,9! Lahoz, AR and AAR
DeleteIndeed. For me, 7.9 (8.5 given how challenging was the first half). Second half was "easy" after Liverpool's first goal.
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DeleteMatéu Lahoz, too mistakes.
Mateu Lahoz only one mistake :D
DeleteDear, who do you think will be the next referees to be promoted to the elite group this summer?
ReplyDeleteMy predictions:
Manzano
Vincic
Gözübüyük
Bastien, Gil Manzano and maybe Vincic!!
DeleteGil Manzano and Bastien seem safe to me, Vincic with some chances as well. Gözübüyük still has his CL debut to make, I expect him to do so next season.
DeleteAnd one Portuguese must also be promoted (Dias), Portugal now has a representative of the uefa committee.
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DeleteI seemed to forget both Soares Dias and Kruzliak... They are good contenders too!!
DeleteIt will not be surprising if there were more than 5 promotions. This year many referees come out by age limit.
DeleteNot necessarily all referees will quit... They can get extensions for more years subject to clearance of proper fitness tests!!
Deletemonth ago there was a interview with our Slovak FA head of referees, in which he said that Kruzliak is going to be promoted to Elite group this year.
DeleteI think Kružliak deserve to get promote in the next season. The same goes to Soares Dias and Vinčić. Gil Manzano can be promoted in next season,when Rocchi is retiring. I want that Kulbakov get promoted,but its seem unlikely.
DeleteIt seems sure that Fernandez Borbalan and Atkinson will leave FIFA list in June; maybe Eriksson and Kuipers too after the world cup.
DeleteI think Soares Dias is the 1st among who deserve promotion. Then probably Gil manzano (more for political reason due to Borbalan exit, because it seems early for him), then Bastien and why not Mazeika. It has been always regularly appointed and semi-high level.
Personally I don't see Kruzliak and Vincic.
Kuipers recently said in an interview that this will be his last final tournament and after that Dutch refereeing in major tournaments will be represented by Makkelie... But he wishes to continue to remain a FIFA referee for one or two more seasons as he finds it too much fun to stop now... He said he can continue for some more reasons as long as he's enjoying refereeing!!
DeleteMan. City - Liverpool (Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz)
ReplyDelete02' - foul prior to goal?
https://streamable.com/h3dfu
14' - YC for late tackle, management
https://streamable.com/xog2o
30' - penalty appeal (handling), YC for dissent, management
https://streamable.com/xxo4z
32' - penalty appeal (pushing + handball)
https://streamable.com/p38e6
32' - penalty appeal (holding)
https://streamable.com/0w1aj
42' - disallowed goal due to offside
https://streamable.com/tfwt2
55' - potential 2nd YC to Firmino
https://streamable.com/mc986
Not just 1 but 2 crucial mistakes.
Delete1.The offside
2.2nd YC to Firmino 55'-1 minute later Liverpool scored.
Everything else is debatable.
1. I think not 1 but there are 2 fouls to VanDijk
Delete2. Both yellow cards correct but Sane's more borderline to RC.
3. No penalty, YC is too match imo, not a continous reaction, just an immediate reaction. But by the law of the game correct YC.
4. Not satisfied with penalty appeal, it is more stimulation to me.
5. Second time Sterling when he felt opponents hands are on him he tried to get penalty. He should be booked for stimulation.
6. Crucial mistake.
7. IMO it is a foul and YC, Mateu Lahoz thought it is not foul.
World Cup chosen Ricardo Montero (Costa Rica) will be Ravshan Irmatov's 4th Official in tonight's CONCACAF Champions League semi-final 2nd Leg game between Club America (Mexico) vs Toronto FC (Canada). He will have his usual AR's Saidov and Rasulov. There game will be the played at the mythical, historic, and tough Estadio Azteca. Toronto goes into the match with a 3-1 lead after the 1st Leg.
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DeleteDo you know any websites where I can download the full natch replay?
Regards
Watched the match last night, felt that Irmatov did a solid job overall.
DeleteStymied the Club America mobbing dissent very quickly and early (something they'd done and used to their advantage in each of their earlier matches). Fairly consistent in his foul recognition, and good fitness to be in the right area at the right time most every time.
I have read a very interesting opinion, that Karius' intervention being a deliberate save and Milner's touch being a deflection, we should make a still frame in the moment of the pass from a City player (see below). Of course, still no offside, but do you agree with such statement?
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I already said before I don’t think that’s deliberate play but I understand if some people think so. But to me it’s a reflex by Milner.
DeleteYes, I agree. That's it.
DeleteOn the long ball, all teammates from Manchester are onside, then there is a save by keeper, and a deflection by defender. It is always the same action, but never offside.
Surely a difficult situation, but a wrong management. The most likely explanation is that AR thought the last touch had been made by an attacker. Here, both referee and AAR1 couldn't help him.
Either way Mateu got the decision wrong and the decision lacked good teamwork... An Elite referee and his team are expected to solve these issues through cooperation... Otherwise it's of no use in having the AAR behind the goal lines!!
DeleteI thought this was obvious.
DeleteOnce you determine Milner touched the ball and not an attacker, it's either
A) a deliberate play, so there can be no offside OR
B) a deflection/save, therefore you go back to the original snapshot in the link provided
I doesn't matter at all which determination you make here, because it simply cannot be offside.
To add and make abundantly clear... no matter what, you go back to that original snapshot. The attacker can only be offside at the moment his teammate last played or touched the ball. This is offside 101.
DeleteJust asking for your humble opinion about the Mane's foul against KDB at the 13th second of the game.
ReplyDeletehttp://footballfullmatch.com/uefa-champions-league/manchester-city-vs-liverpool-10-04-2018/
Should be YC or not?
Why yellow? Studs up. Endagers the safety. Could go red. In CL they give yellow for this so yes clear yellow.
DeleteLiverpool for championship!
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ReplyDeleteIt's classy now. Time to move on and save money on cigarettes by ordering it online!
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