It should be said openly - the appointments that the Italian referees are getting at a UEFA level are becoming a bit ridiculous. There cannot be much doubt now - this is a systematic plan to work specifically to the advancement of match officials from Italy (nothing against them personally, of course!). The Italianisation of UEFA Refereeing that has taken place under Roberto Rosetti must stop if Nyon wants to credibly claim that they are running an operation that at least aims to work like a meritocracy and does not seriously demotivate referees from other nations.
Roberto Rosetti is Italian |
But how did we get here in the first place? This article aims to answer some of those questions.
When Roberto Rosetti replaced Pierluigi Collina as UEFA Chief Refereeing Officer two years ago, it was clear that something of a generation change was required at the top level of European refereeing. The infancy of his tenure was characterised by a large number of courageous decisions to try and enact a much-needed generation change, which was well-deserving of praise and mostly quite effective - the most positive case being Carlos del Cerro Grande, but there were other referees who Rosetti clearly had his eyes on (Kul'bakoŭ, Grinfeld) too who have since risen to the Elite Category.
Having been able to follow through on the appointment of Damir Skomina with the blessing of all at UEFA for the Champions League 2019 Final (as well as Slavko Vinčić's promotion), one could with some justification look at the trimming down of the Referees Committee that summer as a brave leader of refereeing who would get the needed autonomy (so long as he followed Čeferin's doctrinal FIFA-isation of UEFA Refereeing after EURO 2016 (boring tournament; it was the same corporate realisation Blatter had after World Cup 2010)).
Unfortunately, it seems that the removal of some of the most powerful lobbyists in Nyon from the Committee itself has not had the effect we could have hoped for. In reality, it has only served to make the leader(s) of European refereeing not only less accountable but less bound to adhere towards a performance principle.
One of the best refereed football matches ever? Mr Rosetti was surely amongst the television viewers that night |
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It should be stated that it is not only Italian referees who are benefitting from beneficial treatment because of their origin (Gil Manzano, Kavanagh come to mind) and perhaps moreover that, of course, it is not only Rosetti who has done this - one referee's selection for EURO 2016 springs to mind as a case of pure politics which unfortunately will always exist in a monopolistic market such as refereeing. But none of those come that close to the pretty brazen and abashed pushing of Italian referees by an Italian.
This also includes the high number of appointments of Video Assistant Referees which match officials with Italian origin receive. In my view, this is a partly lazy, partly self-preservational choice by the man who worked extensively with the VAR Project for AIA in Italy who wants to avoid any huge mistakes in his competition under his watch, as opposed to nepotism for nepotism's sake. Alone, that would probably be more-or-less tolerable: if anything, it is a Italo-Germanisation of UEFA VAR, rather than Italy alone, which is at least quite understandable considering they were the first two of the big five leagues to introduce Video Assistant Refereeing. But recently, there has been a more worrying development.
The data is available in the appointments in the last couple of months on the blog, but it is clear that at the moment being Italian is a huge advantage in UEFA Refereeing. To sum it up succinctly, the Italians belonging to UEFA Second Category are receiving appointments that would be befitting of those in First, and those in UEFA First are being treated closer to UEFA Elite. Davide Massa, a good unobtrusive international referee who has thus far failed to show he has a presence / manner on an Elite level, getting the call for Chelsea - Sevilla being a perfect case in point.
It is most evident though in the treatment of Maurizio Mariani (who's progress has more-or-less been mirrored by Christopher Kavangh's from my country), recently promoted to UEFA First without an appointment either to the Europa League group stage nor even a senior international! And it seems that performances don't really matter either - the Serious Foul Play tackle he underpunished in Hungary - Russia under the eyes of Kýros Vassáras did not impede future appointments. It seems Mariani is being prepared to make a Europa League début in the same season as a Champions League début. No wonder that others in UEFA not fortunate enough to be from a particular part of the Mediterranean basin of Europe are pretty furious about it.
And a final point to consider - maybe there is a Spaniard who now thinks that whatever he did last season, it was impossible for him to officiate the Champions League Final once both Juventus and Atalanta were eliminated. Daniele Orsato justified his choice though, it must be said.
But how did we reach this point - it is not as if Rosetti is doing this for the fun of it. It is in panic-stricken face-saving exercise who so far failed to find any referees after Orsato who are at an Elite level.
Master and apprentice? Italian referees on top of the world |
AIA - In Crisis?
In addition to producing serving UEFA Chief Refereeing Officer Roberto Rosetti, one of the best football referees ever, the Associazione Italiana Arbitri gave us probably the two most popular referees of all time - Pierluigi Collina and Nicola Rizzoli, who both refereed FIFA's World Cup Final and were praised by journalists and fans alike for their way of handling games. Furthermore, half of the last four UEFA Club Competition Finals (not including Super Cup) were refereed by an Italian. So, it seems odd to state that AIA are in something of a crisis on many levels, but that does stand to reason.
After Orsato's retirement, Italy would be left with no referees in UEFA's Elite Category (when Orsato was promoted, he was one of four Italians at the highest echelon of European refereeing) - that would be highly embarrassing for a nation who prides itself on being one sporting top class, fiercely independent referees. It should be said openly - none of the three Italian referees in UEFA First Category appear to (me to) have the competencies to rise to an Elite level, if anything, those ranked lower seem to be the ones who have more ability on the pitch.
Associations should be rewarded for developing top class referees with top class appointments, and the reverse is true as well. Sandro Schärer from Switzerland deservedly became the first referee from his country with a proud tradition not only in refereeing to whistle a Champions League match (not qualifiers) in three-thousand five-hundred and fourteen days; in truth Italy should suffer in a comparable way if they failed to nurture a real top class referee, but it seems Roberto Rosetti is doing everything he can to avoid that humiliation for his associates.
A perhaps darker element is also at work here - the Claudio Gavillucci affaire exposed hugely undemocratic practises of the Associazione Italiana Arbitri. Many of the revelations that came to light during the trial were not very helpful for AIA, to put it kindly. Now other officials removed by AIA, including Champions League Final assistant referee Lorenzo Manganelli, are also taking their case to court regarding technical decisions. If AIA were to be seen failing on an international level too, that would be hugely problematic for a number of very powerful people in Italian refereeing. So perhaps to see Rosetti's appointments for Italians as simple nepotism or even just face-saving which we have seen many times (and many times again), is perhaps to miss the point a bit.
AIA President Marcelo Nicchi with Rosetti, Collina and Rizzoli |
To clarify, of course this is nothing against the Italian referees who of course enter the field of play simply trying to do the best job they can. Rosetti is not the only 'powerful' person in UEFA (Refereeing) - such an overt attempt to appoint referee from his country on a higher level than their competancies and performances would merit should not be allowed to happen. It is not the fault of the referees from other countries, especially ones without a real lobby behind them in Nyon, who have to work twice as hard anyway to go far internationally, to be put at a further disadvantage because of this unscrupulous plan.
Mr. Rosetti, please stop your policy of disregarding the performance principle in so order to push referees from Italy; it is an affront to meritocracy in the UEFA Refereeing that you lead.
Mikael W, great post about situation in Italian refereeing and in UEFA. First, italian referees in my view have the best refereeing in top 5 national leagues, in full of respect for everybody, but that must not mean that other referees should be underrated. Dabanovic,Jovanovic,Treimanis are much more better referees than Mariani. And they have to be much, much more hard working guys to be promoted to first cat. than Mariani. On the other hand, Fabbri is very underated than Mariani, I think that he can show much more than Mariani. The same situation is wtih Maresca. But pushing of Mariani and Guida is little bit strange for me. Of course, i have nothing against them, but there are other referees that deserve chance. Gavilucci was very solid referee in my view. Calling his removal undemocratic,no, it is not undemocratic, it is shameful. Same situation with Mangianelli. So, you sent good message to AIA, and UEFA. Once more great post.
ReplyDelete"Dabanovic, Jovanovic, Treimanis are much more better referees than Mariani. And they have to be much, much more hard working guys to be promoted to first cat"
DeleteCouldn't agree more with this (well, except that I've not watched Mariani enough to 'rate' him as a referee, as he got promoted to First without even handling an EL GS match before ...)
Just becouse of that fact I told that. Guys like Dabanovic, Jovanovic and Treimanis have much more EL games than Mariani in time when they was promoted. So, my fact is correct, but I really appreciate and respect your opinion Quilava.
Delete"Dabanovic, Jovanovic, Treimanis are much more better referees than Mariani. And they have to be much, much more hard working guys to be promoted to first cat"
DeleteYes, Treimainis, Dabanovic and Jovanovic have to work harder than Mariani and Maresca to be promoted.
But don't forget that Mariani just officiated AC Milan - FC Inter top clash in his home country last week.
Maresca officiated the same match in January with the whole world watching it and 80,000 people at the stadium.
Unfortunately, refs like Treimanis (who I like so much) don't have the same opportunity to handle top games in their countries. Therefore, they have to gain experience by officiating all minor games until reaching top categories.
Refereeing is unfortunately a system where not necessarily the top talents will emerge, but those who have the right contacts.
DeleteWhere I'm from (I prefer not to say), many of the best, most confident referees, have a mentality where they go out on the pitch to referee and manage the game in accordance with the LOTG, and that observers and management will promote them if what they do on the pitch is good enough. They work hard with fitness, studying LOTG and clips.
But despite performing well and being the preferred referees of teams and fans, they get disfavored to the benefit of referees who are way more insecure both on and off the pitch and know that their chance is to "be friends with the system".
This is the reason why in many countries you have people who stop refereeing and go on to criticising the system and even individual referees. People then say they're just envious that they weren't good enough, when at least part of the truth is that they had the integrity to remain independent.
I really find this post disrespectful of Roberto Rosetti's work.
DeleteFirst of all, Rosetti, as an undisputed great manager, is only trying to “grow up” young referees alongside experienced referees. On the other hand, I find the treatment of Italian referees in the past absolutely shameful after the various élites career was over. I can’t understand and I wonder how come Massa and Guida are not élites yet? These guys and Mariani too are getting the same treatment as well as Del Cerro Grande. Massa and Guida, especially the second one, in the recent past refereed very important matches of the Italian Serie A not less important than most of the Champions League matches.
I also can’t understand how come someone could be surprised that Massa was chosen for Chelsea Sevilla, and his performance was absolutely perfect. I’m still wondering why the same perplexity was not raised when some élite referee had been introduced in that category with no worth as someone of them performed very bad for a long time in UEFA matches and in their national leagues someone is still not refereeing at high level also due to the poverty of the technical level.
Dabanovic, Jovanovic, Treimanis are absolutely not better than Mariani and not even than Maresca and their experience in their respective national leagues would not allow them to referee important matches such as AC Milan-Inter or Inter-Juventus.
I’ve always followed this blog because so far all the comments had been objective and impartial, but now it seems that everything is changing and a lot of referees “supporters” are writing, sometimes, silly things
Please respect the name of the great Luigi Agnolin.
DeleteGreat post!
ReplyDeleteSpain is in similar trouble for the next years - they had to abolish age limit in order to have Del Cerro Grande for 2022 WC as Gil Manzano got a bit stagnated after his promotion to Elite.
Fortunately I think that José María Sánchez Martínez will be the next Spanish Elite referee.
In my view, it is clear that Rosetti is struggling to find the new Elite referee for Italy after Orsato's retirement that will take place next year.
ReplyDeleteThe problem dates back to 2010, when Serie A and Serie B Referees Groups were split, and it was harder for serie B referees to reach Serie A than it was before.
Because of that, many talented referees got stuck in Serie B group and the only way to be promoted to Serie A was to gain experience for many years in Serie B.
The result was that amazing referees (such as Mariani, Maresca and recently non-UEFA yet La Penna) were able to officiate top matches at 35-40 years old. As a consequence, those refs became UEFA at 37-38 years old, with huge experience in handling Italian top clashes.
When AIA realized this, they started making undemocratic decisions (such as the Gavillucci affair) to make up for this emergency situation.
In my view, Rosetti is putting meritocracy apart, but we have to say that Italian situation is tragic.
Guida and Massa have less UEFA experience than many others, but we have to say that they have been officiating top clashes in Italy for years.
Guida and Massa regularly officiate matches like Juventus-Inter and so on, who are watched by the whole world.
This is why IMO they already have huge experience with top games and can be pushed by UEFA.
In fact, Massa's performance is Chelsea-Sevilla was brilliant.
If pressure was a key factor the best referees would be from Cyprus. Bombs etc.
ReplyDeletePartizan vs. Red Star is by far more challenging than Roma - Lazio. It's not always about the level of football.
But technically games such as Serbian derbies and Cyprus league are extremely poor. So what is the difficulty of a game for a referee? Just to cope pressure, or to be technically highly challenged? I think answer is easy.
ReplyDeleteAIA traditionally removed referees from the FIFA List when they reached 45 (including Rocchi and Manganelli recently). Orsato will turn 45 next month - is AIA going to be consistent and end his international career or will they break their own rules due to the circumstances described in this article?
ReplyDelete@Chefren: any news from Italy about this?
DeleteAIA has changed some rules in recent years, all officials must retire at the mandatory age of 45, unless the referees beloging to UEFA Elite Category. So as it was for Rocchi, who could officiate until 2019-20 season, being FIFA referee until the end of 2019, it will be the same for Orsato, as long as he will be kept on the list by AIA, he wont need any derogation. When AIA will remove him from the FIFA list, he will have to retire domestically. This is not for assistant referees, even the FIFA ones (since there aren't categories like referees) must retire at the age of 45. Indeed now it seems as Giallatini, originally planned for EURO 2020 with Manganelli, wont attend EURO and Orsato got two new assistant referees (Meli 1977, Carbone 1978).
DeleteFor sure Orsato will be kept at least until EURO 2020, then let's see what will happen, we must also remember that WC Qatar 2022 will be in 2022-23 season, so still a very long time. Trying to accelerate Massa process is possible, but I don't think he can be already at World Cup level so early... I guess Orsato will be kept for a long time. The thing is that, and I have no problems in admitting that, that differently from other federations, the Italian referees association wouldn't accept to stay out from a major tournament without a single referee called. That's why Rosetti is working in this way, and, to give my opinion about the article written by Mikael, I must say that I agree - what committee is doing with Italian referees can be right if done for all referees, but isn't right if compared to other officials who will never have the same chance. I know that Rosetti is the boss and of course once nominated head of UEFA Referees Committe he can do everything, but he should forget his nationality, trying to be more neutral. It is difficult, but not impossible. For example Collina, who was very often blamed on this blog and "the previous one" for many different reasons, never acted like Rosetti. He was always very meticulous and exigent, also with Italian referees, but one must also add that at Collina's times with 3 or 4 Italian Elite referees there wasn't any problem at all regarding this aspect.
The real problem for Italy has also been the fact that we had Rizzoli 1971, Tagliavento 1972, Rocchi 1973, Orsato 195 all very close and all together were impossible to manage, then the retirements came one after one in a very short time, nobody has remained. No alternatives after all the big guns.
So, under current AIA regulations, Orsato can stay on the FIFA List until 31 December 2021, when he will be 46? After that he will only be able to continue as a FIFA referee if AIA will change or remove the age limit?
DeleteNo, Orsato can stay on FIFA list as long as he wants NO AGE LIMITS for UEFA Elite referees. When AIA will remove him, he will have to retire also domestically.
DeleteHas that changed after Rocchi's retirement? I was under the impression that AIA forced Rocchi to retire after his 1-year derogation; it was not his choice. If that was indeed the case, was Rocchi was only given a 1-year derogation, while Orsato can stay as long as he want? What is the difference between these two situations, since both were UEFA Elite referees?
DeleteReferees from Serbia have many more foul situations per match to assess.
ReplyDeleteBut you are right, referees from Italy need to be physically better prepared.
I don't get the reference with Del Cerro's match image. Anyone could explain me?
ReplyDeleteWas it a great refereed match?
2016 Copa del Rey final (Barcelona-Sevilla)
DeleteStunning performance, yep.
Do you have a good video link for the refereeing highlights of that match?
DeleteA while ago, Nole or DrMr (one of the Serbian readers) perfectly described why is it harder to referee in that part of the world, where referees sometimes have to care about their lives, not only the 90-minute football match. In addition to their refereeing training, they have to overcome many other circumstances that Western referees might never face in their entire career. They deserve equal opportunities.
ReplyDeleteUEFA said in a statement to The Associated Press that Damkova “spontaneously decided to step aside from her duties (while) the investigation into her husband is ongoing in the Czech Republic.” FIFA did not immediately respond to a request to confirm if Damková also stepped aside from working with the world football body.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.firstpost.com/sports/uefa-referee-committee-member-dagmar-damkova-steps-down-amidst-husbands-involvement-in-match-fixing-investigation-8938521.html
You know nothing about Gavillucci
ReplyDeleteI'm dread to touch a nuance, but... In wealthy leagues, referees lost income more because of the pandemic than in not wealthy leagues.
ReplyDeletePredictions CL next week (VAR duo in brackets)
ReplyDeleteLokomotive-Bayern: Cakir (Bitigen/Göcek)
Atletico-Salzburg: Vincic (Valeri/Maresca)
Donetsk-Inter: Taylor (Attwell/Tierney)
Gladbach-Real: Skomina (Irrati/Carbone)
Porto-Olympiakos: Kabakov (Fabbri/Massa)
Marseille-ManCity: Marciniak (Gil/Kwiatkowski)
Liverpool-Midtjylland: Palabiyik (Kalakavan/Meler)
Atalanta-Ajax: Grinfeeld (Pinheiro/Reinshreiber)
Krasnodar-Chelsea: Raczkowski (Hernandez/Lopez)
Sevilla-Rennes: Siebert (Dankert/Borsch)
Dortmund-Zenit: Collum (Kavanagh/Pawson)
Brügge-Lazio: Kruzliak (van Boekel/Higler)
Juventus-Barcelona: Makkelie (Kamphuis/Blom)
Ferencvaros-Dynamo: Stieler (Dingert/Fritz)
Basel-Paris: Ekberg (Stegemann/Pickel)
ManUnited-Leipzig: Kovacs (Letexier/Brisard)
NB: I didn't consider domestic appointments.
Basel should be Basaksehir, of course - the disadvantage of working with 3-letter-abbreviations...
Delete@Maarkoo: I think that Cann has retired. Monzul has a match in the Women's Euro qualifications on 27 October.
DeleteWell, in my opinion the only real problem with Italian referees and Rosseti is this obvious pushing in attempt to have an elite referee after Orsato. This is expected in a way, although terribly short-sighted that they didnt start it earlier and more wise. (maybe the problem is that they put wrong refs on FIFA list years ago and then some really good guys (Mariani, Maresca) only came too late)
ReplyDeleteWhatever he does, there would always be stories about Rosseti protecting "his own fellows". I can think of several examples of pushing referees that dont deserve it, many of them are not Italian, so it is more a problem of lack of meritocracy.
Great post.
ReplyDeleteIMO Rosetti is in a difficult spot because most of the Elite referees lack a key element: personality. 10-12 years ago refereeing in UEFA was quite different. UEFA had referees like Rosetti, Fandel, Mejuto, Varraras etc. These days and despite the fact that most of them are still involved as coaches and observers, you don't find referees of that caliber.
One thing is certain: there is not meritocracy. I have said it many times also for my country Greece. The only thing that it really matters is Public Relations.
France and England don't have Elite referee after Turpin and Clattenburg??? Is that what you said or am I mistaken with the position of Benoit Bastien, Anthony Taylor and Michael Oliver. And to talk about referees with high level officiating of big matches sometimes are usually overated and doesn't show true abilities of a ref. Take for example England, they are arguably the most watched league in the world with a lot of fan base compared to any other country yet they have one of the worst if not the worst pool of referees but yet this referees still get the Man untd vs Liverpool etc matches, this very poor official still get to officiate those matches because withing the midst of locals there is always a local champion. That is what they can give... Saying this with respect to Mariani and Massa, not saying they are not good but using the argument of large stadium and pressure is Void because they get those matches not because they are the best but that is what Italy can provide so in other words they are just have an advantageous position because of where they come from and if perhaps reverse be the case and they come from Latvia or Serbia, there is a chance that we might never have heard of them.....
ReplyDeleteAppointments - Bundesliga Germany
ReplyDeleteMatchday 5:
24th October
15:30 Bayern München - Frankfurt
Markus Schmidt - Christof Günsch - Eduard Beitinger - Mike Pickel [Patrick Ittrich - Michael Emmer]
15:30 RB Leipzig - Hertha BSC
Tobias Stieler - Rafael Foltyn - Marcel Unger - Benjamin Brand [Robert Hartmann - Dominik Schaal]
15:30 FC Union Berlin - SC Freiburg
Robert Schröder - Jan Neitzel-Petersen - René Rohde - Florian Heft [Sven Jablonski - Mark Borsch]
15:30 FSV Mainz - Mönchengladbach
Frank Willenborg - Arne Aarnink - Norbert Grudzinski - Christian Dietz [Sascha Stegemann - Frederick Assmuth]
18:30 Borussia Dortmund - FC Schalke
Felix Zwayer - Thorsten Schiffner - Marco Achmüller - Christian Dingert [Tobias Welz - Christian Gittelmann]
Additionally, Daniel Siebert (Hamburger SV - Würzburger Kickers), Marco Fritz (SV Darmstadt - FC St. Pauli) and Bastian Dankert (Hannover - Fortuna Düsseldorf) are active today in 2nd division.
DeleteZwayer without major mistakes in today's derby Dortmund-Schalke. Missed YCs in the first half for reckless challenges. However, solid performance overall. Noone will talk about the referee.
DeleteFinally!
DeleteHope that will happen again.
DeleteTo correct you, after Clattenburg there was Martin Atkinson as an elite referee then Taylor and Oliver where promoted at the same time before Atkinson dropped his FIFA badge but I understand what you mean that Taylor might be officially UEFA Elite but he is not Elite material
ReplyDeleteTo say that Taylor is not Elite material is laughable.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, Oliver is indeed not Elite material.
Penalty is whistled, Ok..
ReplyDeleteBut where is second yc for Lengket?!?!
How is not a 2nd YC for Lenglet on Real Madrid's penalty after OFR?
ReplyDeleteNot good by Munuera. Clear YC missed after OFR, holding inside the box with player having chance to reach ball. A mandatory (at least) YC for SPA. More generally, I didn't like his attitude, a while after the (missed) incident, he already tried to communicate with VAR, not the best body language. He didn't show confidence in those minutes.
ReplyDeleteAnd the Oscar goes to.... Serhio Ramos! What a dive that was! Absolutely the same thing, even more blatant (the shirt was torn) last week in Betis match, and Del Cerro didn't whistle anything after VAR! How it is possible to whistle this as a PK for Real, and it's not PK for Betis!? And about foul for Barca on 22-23 meters, the wall was 8 meters away at the most. Moreover, the players in the wall stepped half a meter in front of the line! Messi told that to the ref, but he wasn't interested. Very weak refereeing - this guy doesn't deserve to whistle such a big match.
DeleteNole as always against the referee when Real Madrid wins or Red star loses.
DeleteNole is correct: there is not consistency. Why different decisions on similar situations, depending on the team involved?
DeleteReferees don't look at the shirts of players, they just take decisions for different situations based on their perception. It is absurd to compare holdings and other incidents from different games. Those who write such comments, are not referees, the never did that on a field.
DeleteYou are either naive or living on another planet. There were so many examples of similar actions that resulted in fouls in favour of the big teams and, respectively, no foul against the big teams. And yes, when analyzing incidents, you can compare similar situations because the number 1 objective of the LOTG is to have uniform interpretation across leagues and competitions. If a foul is given in one match, but not in another one, that is not uniformity; therefore, LOTG are not applied as intended.
DeleteAtkinson with a stonewall penalty missed in United-Chelsea 1H.
ReplyDeleteClear two-arms holding not seen or correctly assessed by the referee (40'). IMO VAR has to intervene because this was a clear and obvious error not to award a PK.
Another stonewall PK in second half, again in Manchester PK area. English referees and English VAR are circus! Just compare those two BLATANT holdings and pulling with Ramos dive. And for the one anonymous above: yes, you can compare two SIMILAR situations in the same league, when ref is called on an OFR! There is only one difference: Betis player didn’t behave as Hollywood actor like Ramos, even his shirt was torn). If you are the ref, then you admit that you don’t whistle the same kind of fouls in different matches. The only questions WHY?
DeleteYet another glaring example of a VAR failure!
ReplyDeletePrior to VAR, one would simply say the referee's missed it and that would be the end of it. But for it to be missed, overlooked, or simply ignored by VAR. Is unforgivable!!!
But lets keep on living in a dream world where VAR is a "Godsend" and that these are only rare and scarce incidents.
Spanish referee Andujar said that if this is a PK for Real, then 15-20 PKs should be whistled in Spain every week. But, he also said that the PK for Betis should be awarded due to torn shirt. Ronald Koeman said that if the pulling is the reason for Ramos to fall, then he should fell forward, not backward! And he is 100% right.
ReplyDeleteBut, with VAR football is not the same sport anymore in every country. Now Bologna goal was annulled due to previous foul on Lazio player in the middle of the pitch. Very debatable decision. In England that wouldn't be whistled ever. And if one team score from the foul kick when ref made mistake and whistle non existing foul, that goal will count! Also, when the goal is scored after non existing corner kick, that goal will also stand. That's ridiculous. Also just wath Locomotiva Moscow-Rotor match and what referee did. He was watching TV on the pitch all the time, giving penalties and annulling goals as he wanted to. Every league has it's own rules, every ref has his own rules. VAR should be great thing for Football, but became something awful in many occasions.
https://twitter.com/RealBetis/status/1320031725121118211/photo/1
Deletehttps://twitter.com/RealBetis/status/1320031725121118211/photo/2
Collina called a penalty for exactly the same situation. These must be called. If you don't call them you are not a brave referee. Stop blaiming the refs who actually call the fouls correctly... https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x30fioj
DeleteSince when is a brave ref a good ref? Referees throwing around with red cards and penalties may be called brave but that won’t make them good refs.
DeleteA referee who applies The Laws of the Game is a better referee than one who willingly bends and or breaks The LoTG to appease those in power. Furthermore, a good referee doesn't "throwing around with red cards and penalties". He simply gives the players the cards that they have earned for their actions. Referee's are not on the pitch to coddle law breakers because referee's shouldn't become "enablers" of the thugs and goons who try to soil the beautiful game.
DeleteObviously that’s your vision, which you over and over and over again copy on this blog. Fact is that the several Referee Committees around the globe have a different view. Good referees not only need to know the Laws, they have to feel the game as well.
DeleteFeeling the game while willfully trampling The Laws of the Game does not a good referee make. It brings the game into disrepute.
DeleteI’ve had enough with this blog. Once, here we talked about football, we enjoyed talking about refereeing. I remember arguing with our beloved Soham about football, not politics. It looks that the nationalities are more important than performances: here most of the comments criticised Massa’s appointment in London, only few mentioned that he had a perfect game. I’m sure you were waiting for some mistakes from him but, unfortunately, he was perfect.
ReplyDeleteNow, here I read that Italian referees are treated better than they deserve because they have no experience. I read that Treimanis is far better than Mariani. Are you kidding me?
Doveri, Mariani, Maresca, Massa, La Penna are better referees than most of elite and category 1 colleagues.
Of course Rosetti is using mostly Italian, German and Dutch VAR referees. Who should he choose? The awful English VARs? The same who are ignoring the guidelines from IFAB?
Referees from top 5 leagues are dealing with challenging games each single week, not only in CL or EL, this should be considered as well.
I don’t care about the nationalities, I want the best to referee, wherever they are from.
1) "Referees from top 5 leagues are dealing with challenging games each single week, not only in CL or EL, this should be considered as well"
DeleteIt is actually considered since referees from Top 5 countries start their international journey from UEFA Second and not UEFA Third like the others.
2) Being a referee from Top 5 country is not a guarantee that you are better than referees from countries with less competitive leagues. Cherrypicking, who is better referee, José Luis Munuera Montero who handles every 2 weeks a LaLiga match or Nikola Dabanovic who handles Montenegrin league games?
1) the comment was referred to the post, not to UEFA laws
Delete2) I disagree: being a referee from top 5 leagues grants more experience. Of course there are masters also in minor leagues, like Skomina. But I can’t accept reading that Treimanis is far better than Mariani. The latter are used to whistle in matches like Inter-Milan, top clashes that most of his colleagues (even from higher categories) will never hold even in CL.
@Quilava: very good point! Starting directly from UEFA Second Category, as opposed to UEFA Third Category, is already an advantage, so everything else would be in addition to that.
DeleteOliver is elite. Way better than Taylor.
ReplyDeleteOn a positive note. Good intervention by VAR Jarred Gillett to recommend an OFR for red card in Fulham v Crystal Palace in his first VAR appointment of the season.
ReplyDeleteDo you think that we will see him reffing EPL matches sooner rather than later?
DeleteI hope so.
DeleteBeing a referee in a "top league" does not by default make a "top referee".
ReplyDeleteSome of the best referee's in recent World Cups came from what you all would likely deem "minor countries". Faghani, Irmatov, Archundia, ect......
While some of the most scandalous matches in recent World Cups (for how poor the referee performed), had referee's from "top leagues". Poll (3 cautions to one player), Rosetti (AR mistake was so egregious, he immediately retired), and Velasco Carballo (the "war" between Brasil and Colombia), are just a couple of the multiple examples that exist.
"Top league referees", Lol
Faghani and Irmatov demonstrated that indeed the country of origin should not make the difference in selecting top referees.
Delete2020 CAF Confederation Cup Final
ReplyDeleteDate: 25 October 2020
Venue: Prince Moulay Abdellah Stadium, Rabat, Morocco
Teams: Pyramids (Egypt) vs RS Berkane (Morocco)
Referee: Sidi Alioum (Cameroon)
Assistant Referees: Elvis Guy Noupue (Cameroon) Issa Yaya (Chad)
Fourth Official: Eric Otogo-Castane (Gabon)
Video Assistant Referee:Janny Sikazwe (Zambia)
Assistant Video Assistant Referees: Haythem Guirat (Tunisia) Gerson Emiliano dos Santos (Angola)
Another African final for Alioum after the 2019 Afcon final.
DeleteThanks for reporting this - I was really looking forward to watching this final until seeing who would be the referee!
DeleteI can't believe CAF appoint this poor referee time after time, who has shown no development in nearly a decade at the top African level.
By the way, I'll upload some clip(s) from the Tessema-handled Pyramids - Horoya SF when I'm back with my laptop.
I haven't seen much of Alioum. So I don't have an opinion of him. I will be watching the game though. But based on your opinion, my expectation of him going into the match, is quite low.
DeleteMikael, who would you have preferred in place of Alioum? Me personally I would have preferred the 4th Official, Otogo-Castane.
Mikael, who are(is) your top candidates for the CAF Champions League Final?
DeleteMariani's UEL/UCL debut will be coming sooner than expected.
ReplyDeleteMaybe EL debut this Thursday?
DeleteBut I still think impossible both debuts (EL and CEL) this never happened in recent times and would be very, very excessive.
I just hope at least Rosetti will wait another season for his CL debut, he is not even ready for that, at moment, if you ask me.
I think, it would not be surprising, if we see Mariani this Thursday in EL.
DeleteIt would be unbelievable if we saw him this season in CL. Honestly, that would absolutely not performance-based.
First step (UEL) completed. Now preparations for his next debut (UCL) - coming soon, just watch!
DeleteGames with plyers which are technically skilled are the easiest matches to referee, as players just want a fluid match without making problems.
ReplyDeleteMatches in which referees have to read the players or even the crowd, so they can deescalate are so much more difficult
Exactly, JR! That's why it is harder to referee in Eastern Europe, especially in the Balkans.
ReplyDeleteBoth are not good enough for elite.
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