Wednesday, 29 September 2021

Champions League 2021/22 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 2 (II)

2021-22 UEFA Champions League group stage Matchday 2, referee appointments for Wednesday's games.

29 September 2021

18:45 CET - Bergamo (Stadio di Bergamo)
Atalanta BC (ITA) - BSC Young Boys (SUI) | Group F
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER) 
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Daniel Schlager (GER) 
Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Deniz Aytekin (GER) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Sergey Zuev (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: João Morais (POR)

18:45 CET - St. Petersburg (Saint Petersburg Stadium)
Football Club Zenit (RUS) - Malmö  FF (SWE) | Group H
Referee: Anastasios Sidiropoulos (GRE) 
Assistant Referee 1: Polychronis Kostaras (GRE) 
Assistant Referee 2: Lazaros Dimitriadis (GRE) 
Fourth Official: Ioannis Papadopoulos (GRE) 
Video Assistant Referee: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marián Ružbarský (SVK)
UEFA Delegate: Armen Minasyan (ARM)

21:00 CET - Munich (Fußball Arena München)
FC Bayern München (GER) - FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) | Group E
Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Filippo Meli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Giorgio Peretti (ITA) 
Fourth Official: Fabio Maresca (ITA) 
Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Juan Antonio Fernández Marín (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Paolo Rondelli (SMR)

21:00 CET - Lisbon (Estádio do Sport Lisboa e Benfica) 
SL Benfica (POR) - FC Barcelona (ESP) | Group E
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA) 
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR) 
UEFA Delegate: David McDowell Zor (SVN)

21:0 CET - Manchester (Old Trafford)
Manchester United (ENG) - Villarreal CF (ESP) | Group F
Referee: Felix Zwayer (GER)  
Assistant Referee 1: Rafael Foltyn (GER) 
Assistant Referee 2: Marco Achmüller (GER)
Fourth Official: Sven Jablonski (GER) 
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Ingvarsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Tammo Beishuizen (NED)

21:00 CET - Wolfsburg (VfL Wolfsburg Arena)
VfL Wolfsburg (GER) - Sevilla FC (ESP) | Group G
Referee: Georgi Kabakov (BUL) 
Assistant Referee 1: Martin Margaritov (BUL)
Assistant Referee 2: Diyan Valkov (BUL)
Fourth Official: Ivaylo Stoyanov (BUL)
Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Terje Hauge (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Peadar Ryan (IRL)

21:00 CET - Salzburg (Stadion Salzburg)
FC Salzburg (AUT) - LOSC Lille (FRA) | Group G
Referee: Halil Umut Meler (TUR) 
Assistant Referee 1: Mustafa Emre Eyisoy (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Cevdet Komurcuoglu (TUR)
Fourth Official: Alper Ulusoy (TUR) 
Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Harm Osmers (GER) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Šajn (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Loukas Siotropos (GRE)

21:00 CET - Turin (Juventus Stadium)
Juventus (ITA) - Chelsea FC (ENG) | Group H
Referee: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Diego Barbero Sevilla (ESP) 
Assistant Referee 2: Ángel Nevado Rodríguez (ESP)
Fourth Official: José Luis Munuera Montero (ESP) 
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vítor Manuel Melo Pereira (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Steen Michael Dahrup (DEN) 
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109 comments:

  1. MARIO27 September 2021 at 10:28

    Big match for Gil Manzano, congratulation; Rosetti is preparing the day after Mateu (and Del Cerro).
    Good match also for Zwayer, after a long period under the shadow.
    I'm very surprized by the assignment of Brych; low profile match for his experience and his level. Probably he is considered very close to the end. Important observer for Meler, crucial test for his future

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    1. Philipp S27 September 2021 at 10:37

      Yes, I agree. Good match also for Kabakov, I rather expected an Elite referee there.
      For group F, maybe they just wanted to test Zwayer in a high-profile match again - not neccessary for Brych, of course. And Atalanta-Bern still is quite important and possibly a tight match. Or they still want to avoid Brych and Ronaldo to meet again...

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  2. Philipp S27 September 2021 at 10:28

    Surprising AVAR appointment for Aytekin, who is neither on the DFB VAR list (anymore) nor on the FIFA VMO list.

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  3. Chefren27 September 2021 at 11:03

    Very important test for Ulut Meler with Šajn. The TUrkish referee will officiate his second CL GS game, after the debut he made one year ago.
    Zwayer back in an interesting match, happy for him. I still think he paid definitely too much his poor period, if compared to other Elite referees. Let's see whether he can continue on this good path.
    About Brych, I think Rosetti took the opportunity to appoint him in a very important game for the group, the names are not sonorous but there is an Italian team so you know this is treated in a particular way. Turpin, another big name, had Atalanta on MD1.
    The fact that two Category 1 have been assigned to a fully open group can be surely surprising, but, most important both games have been treated in the same manner.
    I expected Orsato and Guida together, maybe in the same group, and this happened. Extremely important Benfica - Barcelona, considering also the form of the Spanish team, while Bayern - Dynamo looks to be a quite easy match to handle. I think that Guida reached the maximum with such regular assignments in CL as experienced Cat. 1 referee and nothing more. I agree on that. Among Italian VARs, we don't see Di Bello after the controversial (in my opinion) decisions on previous Matchday. Let's see whether he will appear tomorrow as VAR in EL, I doubt. Hategan has been invited in Nyon as well, he needs to do practice with VAR, still incredible that Romanis can't offer this chance to their referees domestically.
    Big match for Gil Manzano in Juventus group, taking a look at previous results on MD1, the group shouldn't show any surprise, with the Italian and the English team qualifying for KO stage, but still a good assignment for the Spanish.
    Sidiropoulos back in CL with a normal assignment for him, while we don't see Kruzliak, at moment I think the only available Elite referee out from CL since a quite long time. Hopefully he recovered after the difficult period of some months ago, we will see him I think on Thursday in EL.

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  4. Refsav27 September 2021 at 11:36

    Can I ask, why do Italian referees make so many permanent changes to their ARs? Orsato has changed AR every single season for the past 3 seasons I think. We saw the same thing with Rocchi, he certainly changed his ARs a number of times and I think Rizzoli as well.

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    1. Chefren27 September 2021 at 13:46

      There have been fixed trios for Italian Elite referees in recent times, but differently from other nations, indeed, there have been very often changes. I think this is basically because there are several good assistant referees and AIA wanted to give to all of them a chance. In addition, we can say that having at moment only Orsato as Elite referee gives not so many chances to all assistant referees to get such important games, so this is another reason for which Preti, Giallatini, Meli and Carbone, among the others, very often are switched.
      Now I was curious to see this appointment because it can be maybe read as the first step of 2022 World Cup preselection, with Orsato candidate, but it doesn't look the case because I don't think we will see Giallatini (1975 born) in Qatar.
      Preti (1978) is out for some reasons. We will know more based on next assignments. Among other things, there have been an appeal by a former Italian assistant referee who had been dismissed at the end of previous season for technical reasons. He made an appeal against AIA and he won, he has been readmitted in serie A and B panel and he is already getting game (Giuseppe Macaddino). Among the arguments he used to win the appeal, it was declared that AIA shouldn't have confirmed the 45+ aged assistant referees on their panel because the rules they wrote were against that. So this means that the 45+ assistant referees must leave at the end of this season. For this reason, Giallatini can't be guessed in Qatar.

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    2. Refsav27 September 2021 at 22:53

      Thanks for explaining Chefren

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  5. greek ref27 September 2021 at 11:50

    Good match for Gil Manzano. Spain will need a referee for UEFA Euro 2024 and WC 2026.

    Also a good appointment for Zwayer. I think that the spot for N2 of Germany is still open.

    Kabakov with an interesting match. Like in MD1 it seems that the committee is looking for the new Elite referees. Surely the Bulgarian had a difficult time but can still prove his abilities.

    Expected appointments for Brych and Orsato.

    Low profile match for Sidiropoulos. This match could easily go to a First Group referee. Btw Sidiropoulos did something incredible yesterday on his SL match Lamia - Panetolikos. Before the start of the 2nd half he removed his earpiece of the intercom and gave it to Lamias' captain in order to speak to VAR Papadopoulos. Unbelievable.....

    Here is a picture: https://ibb.co/FW8W4P6

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    1. Forlan27 September 2021 at 13:21

      Hahaha Sidiropoulos is taking VAR to a whole new level. Quite unbeliavable indeed, although I dont know the context.

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    2. Chefren27 September 2021 at 13:37

      Indeed it would be interesting to know more, I guess he did that because the player was too much annoying with protests for something happened in first half?
      However, if you do that at UEFA level, it is over.
      Sidiropoulos must be very careful, but surely he is aware of that!

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    3. greek ref27 September 2021 at 14:16

      There was a disallowed goal for offside on the first half. VAR confirmed the decision.

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    4. Quilava27 September 2021 at 15:02

      @greekref I think that Sánchez Martínez could surpass Gil Manzano as a candidate for Euro 2024 and WC 2026 (my feeling though is that both will go to Euro 2024)

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  6. anty7527 September 2021 at 12:06

    Not a big fan of Kabakov and Sidiropoulos but anyway good luck to all referees!

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  7. Unknown27 September 2021 at 17:46

    Sidiropoulos had a decent game in Scotland last month. He deserves one last chance to show if he can maintain his status or not. In my opinion, Europa league suits him more than champions league;less pressure and less intensity. Unfortunately, it is clear that Papapetrou has not managed to earn the trust of the committee. Diamantopoulos appears to be given a lot of games recently; he is, in my opinion, the best greek referee, but age wise he does not have chances of getting promoted. I hope Fotias does well in the u17 qualifiers and gets promoted to category 2 this summer. He is young , a linguist and works for NASA. He has the profile of a referee that can be part of EURO 2028 or 2032.

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  8. AAR128 September 2021 at 11:01

    Unfortunately in Greece our referees are not appointed to Super League top matches. How can they progres in UEFA? And no leaders off the field of playing.

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  9. Unknown29 September 2021 at 18:02

    Sad news from Slovakia. In my local 7th division, a young referee was brutally attacked by 2 players. One charged him and hit him in the head and the other one kicked him in the head while he was lying on the ground. Just a disgusting behaviour that is unfortunately get a bit too common...

    Video in the article:
    https://sportnet.sme.sk/spravy/osk-blazice-sady-nad-torysou-obfz-kosice-okolie-inzultacia-rozhodcu/

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  10. Chefren29 September 2021 at 19:07

    VAR intervention in Bergamo, missed offside by AR1 and disallowed goal.

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  11. Upstylon29 September 2021 at 19:08

    VAR intervention in Bergame, disallowing 1-0 for offside. Tough situation to assess for AR1 though.

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  12. Elliot29 September 2021 at 20:01

    Clear DOGSO handball for Malmö's #15 in Saint Petersburg. Good intervention from Sanchez Martinez

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  13. Dominik M.29 September 2021 at 20:01

    OFR in St. Petersburg, RC given for DOGSO (handball offence).

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    1. Quilava29 September 2021 at 20:13

      I guess that Sidiropoulos had the initial perception that the incident happened too far away to be on DOGSO area, because it's clearly the last man.

      Correct intervention.

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    2. Quilava29 September 2021 at 20:13

      Video: https://streamja.com/qaQPl

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    3. Chefren29 September 2021 at 20:23

      Clear DOGSO, mandatory intervention, without handball attacker would have had a chance to score, running alone in penalty area, 100% sure. Reason for wrong YC issued by Sidiropulos can be indeed that he thought player was too far, but in this scenario RC is evident.

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    4. greek ref30 September 2021 at 10:57

      I am sorry but this RC is crystal clear. Sidiropoulos should have decided without VAR. Another big mistake by the Greek......

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  14. Law 5 Commenter29 September 2021 at 21:01

    Announcer said that it is Manzano's 12th Champions League match in Chelsea - Juventus. Don't know if that is correct, but will be a good test for him.

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  15. Chefren29 September 2021 at 21:11

    Penalty whistled by Guida, he made some very clear gestures explaining the reason of the call. VAR should confirm, I think.

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  16. M29 September 2021 at 21:20

    Good 1st yc from Gil to Alonso.

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  17. DutchRedREF29 September 2021 at 21:25


    Benfica -Barcelona with Orsato
    ‘23 AR1 raised flag for a foul. Orsato didn’t give the FK but only a throw in. Anyone else spotted this!

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  18. M29 September 2021 at 21:29

    Looks like Kabakov is having entertaining match, 3 cards in 20 minutes.

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  19. Chefren29 September 2021 at 21:31

    Penalty to Salzburg, I think this tackle by defender is mostly on the ball, I wouldn't penalize it, however, after the ball, opponent is slightly touched as well. This penalty would be removed in Italy.

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    1. Marco Neri29 September 2021 at 21:35

      There was a foul prior to the penalty too! But still, penalty confirmed after OFR. Crazy

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    2. Chefren29 September 2021 at 21:36

      Very long OFR and many troubles for Ulut Meler. Players didn't want to accept his decision, more than 5 minutes have passed. He confirmed his call afer the OFR, there was another analysis on a possible foul before the penalty, but he didn't change idea.
      In my opinion wrong penalty.

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    3. Raymus29 September 2021 at 21:36

      Good and brave decision not to overrule himself. Not a clear mistake to whistle that penalty, because the defender touches the leg a little earlier than the ball. But if penalty is given, maybe we have to talk about DOGSO and RC?

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    4. usaref29 September 2021 at 21:37

      Wow. I'm very surprised by the apparent conclusion here. Seems very clear to me that some contact comes before any touch of the ball. I think it's a penalty (the question of a prior foul is different) and can't believe Kalkavan send that down for review. It put Meler in a very difficult situation. An overturned penalty should be--no, needs to be--clear. This isn't clear at all.

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    5. usaref29 September 2021 at 21:38

      @Raymus, I'm glad you agree on the VAR aspect! I thought I was crazy for a moment.

      As for DOGSO, it's a leg tackle and attempt to play the ball. That's DOGSO-yellow, which was given. Not red.

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    6. Philipp S29 September 2021 at 21:45

      For me the penalty is correct/supportable, because there was a contact with the opponent's leg before the ball was played.
      If Meler completely missed the ball contact, the OFR might be sensible, because he had based his decision on a wrong perception. Otherwise the OFR for the foul would be wrong.
      Regarding the possible foul in the APP, I didn't see a wrong movement by the attacker - the defender seemed to cause the small contact himself. Therefore no clear foul and no reason for an OFR IMO. However, if the referee is already in the review area, it could be sensible to show him this scene as well.
      So for me the final decision (including YC) is correct, the OFR is a bit doubtful (but depends on the referee's perception).
      And yes, he lacked authority after the OFR to ensure a quicker execution of the penalty.

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    7. Philipp S29 September 2021 at 21:47

      And now 3 minutes additional time surely is not enough.

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    8. Dominik M.29 September 2021 at 22:01

      Correct penalty for me. First contact is with the leg, then the ball. No idea why there was an OFR.
      Also correct no foul decision in the APP for me.

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  20. usaref29 September 2021 at 21:41

    38' challenge in Wolfsburg is worth looking at if anyone can get a clip made. No fouled called. Very dangerous and late challenge on the attacker who was crossing the ball.

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    1. Felix29 September 2021 at 21:45

      Clear yc missed here

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    2. Philipp S29 September 2021 at 21:53

      Yes, but also not more IMO.

      Previously a potential penalty for Wolfsburg in 27' for (undeliberately) stepping on the attacker's foot while both were looking for the ball in the air.

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    3. usaref29 September 2021 at 22:06

      It was definitely a clear yellow card AND FOUL that was missed.

      I think we have to start asking ourselves the question of if these type of fouls should be more. He lunges and arrives late. He has no real opportunity to get the ball as the contact is well after the cross is made. He crashes into one of the opponent's leg and pins it up against the other leg, putting an immense amount of pressure on the legs of a player who cannot brace for the impact. And it looks like a serious injury could have resulted.

      Why don't we want to be punishing tackles like that with red cards?

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    4. COYI29 September 2021 at 22:49

      Another poor performance by Kabakov IMO. He is very unconvincing again as a whole. I wonder how many more chances he will get from the Committee? It is a joke to consider him for elite. Big joke!

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  21. Refsav29 September 2021 at 21:42

    Excellent game so far for Gil Manzano, I think he has got every single decision correct so far! Looking really promising!

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    1. Law 5 Commenter29 September 2021 at 21:50

      Yes, good job by Manzano. This is a fan comment, not a refereeing one, but Chelsea look lifeless, like they did against Manchester City recently. They were playing fast football last season, with their forwards making darting runs behind the defensive lines, but Lukaku is a mostly a hold up player, so I don't think it will be a good fit. Let's see.

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  22. Chefren29 September 2021 at 21:47

    And 3 minutes of added time after all the time wasted for the penalty!
    I really don' understand why it seems to difficult for the officials to take note of time to be added. Fourth official can easily do that.
    In this case, a minimum of 5 minutes had to be added.

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  23. Chefren29 September 2021 at 22:01

    Penalty confirmed after OFR by Umut Meler and possible previous foul by attacker before:
    https://streamja.com/GAjZb

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    1. usaref29 September 2021 at 22:09

      The first replay shows it best. The defender's right knee hits the attackers right leg, just below his knee. That's the first contact. At that point the defender is nowhere near the ball. The second contact between the two players occurs (defender's right hip against the attacker's ankle) as the ball is tackled away.

      If it was only the second contact, there is an argument for this to not be a penalty. But the first contact is clear. This was a bad recommendation.

      A potential foul in the APP is a different question, but I haven't seen enough to make a good case either way.

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    2. xabi29 September 2021 at 22:26

      IMO this is not penalty. I have many doubts with the possible previous foul.

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  24. Chefren29 September 2021 at 22:13

    Now correct penalty by Umut Meler for handball in the wall.

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  25. Anonymous29 September 2021 at 22:14

    Very tight inside call prior to Villarreal goal. Good job by AR1. Zwayer looks re-born: he is in full control tonight and he was right every time. High intensity match.

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    1. Unknown29 September 2021 at 22:22

      A few moments after this a controversial free kick decision from which the equalizer was scored by United. Zwayer made a play on gesture while AR2 was signaling a foul just outside the penalty area. I tend to no foul, play on.

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    2. Unknown29 September 2021 at 22:23

      Apart from that I agree with you, good performance by the German!

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  26. Law 5 Commenter29 September 2021 at 22:24

    Missed foul at 65' by Manzano led to hard tackle avenging it and YC, probably for dissent for missed call. Otherwise, apparently no errors.

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    1. COYI29 September 2021 at 22:52

      As a whole excellent performance by Gil Manzano. Very close to each situation.

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  27. M29 September 2021 at 22:30

    Zwayer with good performance, glad to see him again at his best.

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    1. COYI29 September 2021 at 23:08

      Yes, indeed. It seems that Zwayer is back to his best days.

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  28. Law 5 Commenter29 September 2021 at 22:31

    Two fast YCs by Zwayer at about 67'-68', but neither contact seemed to actually stop the offended players or dispossess them. Advantage possible instead in either situation?

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  29. Chefren29 September 2021 at 22:36

    Incredible that Orsato had missed this penalty and he needed VAR, he was looking there...

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    1. Chefren29 September 2021 at 22:38

      https://ibb.co/RgxxSD1

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    2. Unknown29 September 2021 at 22:46

      I don’t really understand the way this OFR was executed. If I’m not mistaken Orsato decided for a penalty without having seen moving video images, only based his (obviously correct) decision on a freeze frame. And such OFR’s I see more often lately. Why not take a few more seconds to get the complete picture and be absolutely sure?

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  30. Law 5 Commenter29 September 2021 at 22:38

    Corner called as goal kick in Man U. - Villareal match at 76'. AR would have had better look at it.

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  31. Chefren29 September 2021 at 22:46

    Very controversial penalty call by Kabakov...

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    1. JD29 September 2021 at 22:50

      In my opinion the two Penalty checks were closer to a Penalty than this. I do not see much arguments for a penalty.

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  32. JD29 September 2021 at 22:47

    Wrong decision by Kevin Blom to intervene. And even the penalty a clear wrong decision in my opinion. Defender kicks the ball and has not much contact with attacker

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    1. JD29 September 2021 at 22:49

      Of Course you can stop the video at the Scene where the contact is. But in real time it.does not Look that bad

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    2. Raymus29 September 2021 at 22:51

      +1

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  33. smala01729 September 2021 at 22:50

    I can't say I agree with the penalty decision. Lamela kicks the defender, not the other way around! I don't think the defender commits an offense here. Lamela puts himself in danger; the defender wasn't careless or reckless at all.

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  34. David29 September 2021 at 22:51

    Should be a SYC for Cuadrado in 93' IMO. Late challenge.

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  35. Chefren29 September 2021 at 22:53

    Penalty after OFR by Kabakov:
    https://streamja.com/2z39z

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    1. Chefren29 September 2021 at 22:55

      It is difficult to assess how much intensity had the contact with opponent after having kicked ball, but this was reason for the call. Blom saw a reckless challenge there, and ball before is therefore not an argument. However, we can discuss...

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    2. Philipp S29 September 2021 at 22:59

      I think, the foot of the defender is in a legal position and already pulling back after kicking the ball, when the attacker hits him with the shin. So not a foul by the defender IMO.

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    3. Dominik M.29 September 2021 at 23:00

      I'm sorry but I don't understand the VAR intervention at all.
      Especially the way they actually showed Kabakov only that contact in a still image for the majority of the time. Of course he will go for a penalty then but if you watch it in real speed, you see the Wolfsburg player playing the ball and you can even see the WOB player pulling back after clearing the ball...

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    4. COYI29 September 2021 at 23:00

      Never a penalty in a football game. On picture looks much different from what it is in reality. Another wrong desicion in that game

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    5. JD29 September 2021 at 23:01

      Everyetime I see it, it gets stranger For me to call a Penalty. But in generell kabakov was not really Able to handle this Game in my opinion. He hat absolutely no Body language and did nothing against the theatralic of the players. Of course it is not his mistake alone, and More the mistake of the players. But his unclear line did Support that.

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    6. Chefren29 September 2021 at 23:04

      I see your point of view. In my opinion it is clear why Blom intervened, but the overall perception doesn't talk about a clear penalty. Nobody would have questioned. I would be very curious to know how UEFA will assess this intervention.

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    7. xabi29 September 2021 at 23:04

      I cant believe this intervention by Blom. IMO this is not penalty at all

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    8. Philipp S29 September 2021 at 23:09

      It's also remarkable, that there were no protests by Sevilla players - even the "fouled" player didn't expect a penalty there.

      BTW, 2 minutes before (80'), there was a potential handball penalty for Sevilla, checked by VAR - also without any protests.

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    9. Andrasch Neunert29 September 2021 at 23:48

      Sorry but this penalty and the intervention, after the defender CLEARLY played the ball and touched the attacker's leg afterwards, is a bad joke IMO. AND I dont see any reason for Kabakov still getting jobs in CL. He did not convince me even one time...

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    10. Flip30 September 2021 at 13:50

      Sorry, this decision cannot be supported. Blom's decision is absolutely incorrect IMO, but Kabakov has the responsibility in the end.
      The decision is wrong for me, because the defender played the ball and accidentally landed on the attacker's leg after a normal, football typical movement.
      Actually, I think it's more interesting to assess whether de VAR should intervene when this penalty is whistled on the pitch. I certainly think that the VAR should have intervened to correct the wrong PK call.
      But this emphasizes how absurd the call is.

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  36. matei1429 September 2021 at 22:59

    Overall, tonight was less tense than yesterday. This is also confirmed by the number of comments on the blog.

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    1. Sam30 September 2021 at 02:37

      I think Milan's game play a big part of the intensity that you mentioned. Very interesting to analyze and Cakir was great

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  37. Chefren29 September 2021 at 23:01

    Law 5 Commenter: we are not interested in other topics, just focus on refereeing, thanks.

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    1. Law 5 Commenter29 September 2021 at 23:24

      Ok, though remember that player interaction is an important part of refereeing, and so, too, is admin interaction with a website's viewers. Thus, instead of saying that one's posts are uninteresting, it might be better to say that those posts are off-topic, since we don't really know if the other viewers are interested or not unless they tell us.

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    2. Sam30 September 2021 at 02:36

      I agree with you, Chefren. I feel weird to see other comments that are not related to referring in this blog. Tons of other platforms can be used to share any insights about football. I am not interested to see other topics either, no one cares

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    3. Unknown30 September 2021 at 07:14

      Maybe no one cares about your comments as well Sam, we don’t know. No need to use such a tone. True, not the most useful comment on a content level by Law 5 Commenter, but I can’t be bothered too much. Then there are other, referee related, comments which sometimes bother me more.

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    4. Sam30 September 2021 at 15:33

      I do not care how other people view my comment. If you are not bothered to see other comments that are not refereeing, that is totally fine. It is all up to you. In my opinion, refereeing is all about refereeing, this is what this blog should be used for.

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    5. Unknown30 September 2021 at 22:03

      Of course, of course, we referees think it’s all about us. But please speak for yourself next time :)

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  38. usaref29 September 2021 at 23:04

    Ronaldo game-winning goal is very interesting re: the question of offside on Lingard. I think sanctioning the goal is correct. Lingard is not technically in the line of vision for the goalkeeper and doesn't really make an obvious impact that distracts. But it is all very close stuff.

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    1. usaref30 September 2021 at 20:39

      No one had any opinion here? Game-winning goal at the death by Ronaldo with a player clearly in an offside position... would think it would generate some discussion!

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  39. Refsav29 September 2021 at 23:16

    I know this is irrelevant to today’s matches but Cakir second yellow card decision yesterday was extremely poor. Better is expected from a referee that is one of the best ever. He looked at the Altletico players reaction and guessed it was a YC when indeed there was no contact at all.

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    1. Sam30 September 2021 at 02:43

      Obvious contact and obvious foul IMO, I disagree with you when you said "extremely poor". YC is not mandatory but at least supportable, great job Cakir. He is still in his top form. I feel sorry for him that he was treated unfairly in the EURO and CL last season

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    2. Sossiko30 September 2021 at 06:23

      I totaly with u @Sam.

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  40. anty7530 September 2021 at 00:26

    Another Kabakov match, another ridiculous decision. I know some guys here defend him on the basis of good work in some youth tournaments but in UEFA competitions and World Cup qualifiers almost every match in the last couple of years has been a disaster

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  41. Chefren30 September 2021 at 08:21

    Update on Cakir, according to Italian sport newspaper La Gazzetta dello Sport, AC Milan will send an official complaint to UEFA for the refereeing in the game against Atlético Madrid.
    In addition they report a list of Cakir alleged mistakes against Italian teams since 2015 (Barcelona - Juventus CL final).
    It is reported, but here I don't know which sources they have, that the mistake by VAR has been considered very serious and the Turkish team very likely will be totally out from the next set of matchday (3 and 4). We will check that. About Cakir, it is alwo written that he has trust by committee, but not a full trust, they say it was alerady decided that he will never get very big games again (meaning semifinals and finals). Well, about this latter information we had surely a confirmation during EURO... unluckily.

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  42. Chefren30 September 2021 at 08:41

    AIA has publishes the list of new FIFA referees for 2022, with the new course of Trentalange it is the first time that names are revealed so early, let's remember that tomorrow will be the deadline.
    https://www.aia-figc.it/dettaglio.asp?ID=19240
    https://www.aia-figc.it/download/news/29_09_2021lista%20proposte%20internazionali%202022.pdf
    Trentalange added a letter, wishing a renovation for Italian refereeing. Three new women have been added.
    Luca Pairetto and Daniele Chiffi will replace Daniele Doveri and Paolo Valeri.
    Doveri will join the FIFA VAR list, as well as Aureliano.
    Fabbri and Massa out from FIFA VAR list. About the latter, I think it is to allow him to focus on "field refereeing", for Fabbri surely a technical choice.
    Incredible success for Pairetto, until a few years ago, believe me, it was definitely impossible to think that he woud have reached this achievement. In my opinion Chiffi nomination is by far more deserved, but let's see how they will perform.
    I'm really happy for Aureliano, who deserved this appointment. He is the first NO FIFA referee from Italy who joins the list of VMO.
    Among assistant referees, Passeri and Costanzo out, Baccini and Bresmes in. Giallatini (1975) keeps the status. This could mean that he is planned to attend Qatar 2022 with Orsato, despite of the age.
    Three new women, two have retired from the list, and there is a new additional spot.
    Good luck to all!

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  43. Chefren30 September 2021 at 09:03

    Possible handball in Brych game, of course according to most of Italian sites and newspapers, clear penalty to be whistled :)

    https://streamja.com/RA2WR

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    1. David30 September 2021 at 09:45

      I prefer noPK here. But there is a slight movement towards the ball, for me still natural and definitely not a deliberate attempt to block the shot on goal.

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  44. Dominik M.30 September 2021 at 11:06

    Well looks like we won't see Kabakov with German teams anytime soon.
    Kicker (biggest german sport newspaper) gave him the worst possible grade and wrote: "Serious mistake on the Sevilla penalty, no consistency in cautionable offenses and the assesment of tackles. He was largely responsible for the hectic game."
    In general, I've not seen anyone here agree with the penalty decision.

    Something that I mentioned yesterday, I want to point out again. Now while I think the recommendation for an OFR is already a big mistake, the even bigger one for me is the way it was conducted. Kabakov was first shown the still frame of the contact with the SEV player that made it look way worse than it really was. After that he looked at the whole "tackle" twice from one camera angle before returning to the pitch.
    Kabakov gets the impression from the freeze frame that it was probably a clear hit and that there has to be a penalty. He probably already made his mind up from that first image that was shown to him.

    And to be honest, can you blame him for that? The first impression is always the most influential one and that half of the time in front of the monitor was just looking at a freeze frame is really difficult to understand for me...

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  45. anty7530 September 2021 at 11:52

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPSPT4aR2jk
    Spartak vs Legia in Europa League 2 weeks ago, that wasn't a penalty according to Dabanović and VAR Jovanović. And compare this to the Kabakov penalty yesterday...

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    1. David30 September 2021 at 13:52

      Good example anty. Similiar, but the kicker goes to ground and there is more force. It seems to be two caontacts on both legs aswell. So for me a PK, I would also prefer a VARint.

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  46. AUS Ref30 September 2021 at 12:30

    Let’s be honest. Kabakov is a disaster for years. And some of you here continue to consider him as candidate for elite. He is not good enough even for First Category. After each game Kabakov is in charge there is a mess. Always controversial decisions. No one else got so many chances like him. Batta and Hugh Dallas should explain why they cover him all the time. No sense.
    I don’t agree to blame Kevin Blom as VAR. In such situations the communication between Referee and VAR is crucial to avoid OFR and to take the right decision. And the referee not really looked carefully the whole situation during the video check. It seemed that he was in a rush and he was ready with changing his decision only seeing the freeze frame. But is this only enough for decision? He had to ask for different angles, level, intensity, speed and etc. And to confirm his decision for NO penalty after that. But the referee has to be brave in such situations and to defend his first point (decision) especially when he was so close into the penalty area and he saw the contact perfectly well in real time, I’m sure. The referee must believe in himself not immediately changing his decision only because he was called for OFR. It is all about self-belief, self-confidence and courage.

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  47. Mikael W30 September 2021 at 14:38

    I wrote a post about Jesús Gil Manzano's performance in Juventus vs. Chelsea, link is below:

    http://law5-theref.blogspot.com/2021/09/europa-league-202122-referee_28.html?showComment=1633005101790#c4921421174100239318

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