Saturday 9 October 2021

2021/22 FIFA WC European Qualifiers - Referee Appointments MD7 (9 October 2021)

Referee appointments for 2021-22 FIFA WC European Qualifiers, Matchday 7,  games to be played on 9 October 2021. 

 Irfan Peljto will referee Faroe Islands - Austria

Group C
15:00 CET - Vilnius (LFF Stadionas)
LITHUANIA - BULGARIA
Referee: Yevhenii Aranovskyi (UKR)
Assistant Referee 1: Volodymyr Volodin (UKR)
Assistant Referee 2: Oleksandr Zhukov (UKR)
Fourth Official: Sergii Boiko (UKR) 
Video Assistant Referee: Mykola Balakin (UKR) 
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Andrii Skrypka (UKR)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Domagoj Vuckov (CRO)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Nina Hedlund (NOR)

Group D
15:00 CET - Nur Sultan (Astana Arena)
KAZAKHSTAN - BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA 
Referee: Davide Massa (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefano Alassio (ITA) 
Fourth Official: Davide Chiffi (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Fabio Maresca (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mauro Vivenzi (ITA) 
FIFA Referee Assessor: Erol Ersoy (TUR) 
FIFA Match Commissioner: Phivos Constantinides (CYP)

Group A
18:00 CET - Bakı (Bakı Olimpiya Stadionu)
AZERBAIJAN - REPUBLIC OF IRELAND 
Referee: Espen Eskås (NOR)
Assistant Referee 1: Kim Thomas Haglund (NOR) 
Assistant Referee 2: Øystein Ytterland (NOR)
Fourth Official:  Kai Erik Steen (NOR) 
Video Assistant Referee: Abdulkadir Bitigen (TUR) 
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ali Palabiyik (TUR) 
FIFA Referee Assessor: Sabri Celik (TUR)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Nikoloz Jgarkava (GEO)

Group B
18:00 CET - Solna (Friends Arena)
SWEDEN - KOSOVO
Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Daniele Bindoni (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alberto Tegoni (ITA)
Fourth Official: Rosario Abisso (ITA) 
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Alessandro Costanzo (ITA) 
FIFA Referee Assessor: Emil Bozhinovski (MKD)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Arturs Gaidels (LVA)

Group B
18:00 CET - Batumi (Batumi Arena)
GEORGIA - GREECE
Referee: Donatas Rumsas (LTU)
Assistant Referee 1: Aleksandr Radius (LTU)
Assistant Referee 2: Dovydas Suziedelis (LTU)
Fourth Official: Robertas Smitas (LTU)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Joey Kooij (NED)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Sascha Amhof (SUI)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Efraim Barak (ISR)

Group D
18:00 CET - Helsinki (Helsinki Olympic Stadium)
FINLAND - UKRAINE
Referee: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Ángel Nevado Rodríguez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Guadalupe Porras Ayuso (ESP) 
Fourth Official: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoechea (ESP) 
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Javier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Domenico Messina (ITA) 
FIFA Match Commissioner: Aristeidis Stavropoulos (GRE)

Group F
18:00 CET - Glasgow (Hampden Park)
SCOTLAND - ISRAEL 
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Pawel Sokolnicki (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Fourth Official: Tomasz Musial (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marcin Borkowski (POL) 
FIFA Referee Assessor: Pascal Garibian (FRA)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Jean Paul Mievis (BEL)

Group A
20:45 CET - City of Luxembourg (Stade de Luxembourg) 
LUXEMBOURG - SERBIA 
Referee: William Collum (SCO) 
Assistant Referee 1: David McGeachie (SCO) 
Assistant Referee 2: Francis Connor (SCO)
Fourth Official: Donald Robertson (SCO) 
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Katrin Rafalski (GER)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Niklas á Lidarenda (FRO)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Michał Listkiewicz (POL)

Group C
20:45 CET - Geneva (Stade de Genève)
SWITZERLAND - NORTHERN IRELAND 
Referee: Slavko Vinčić (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaz Klancnik (SVN) 
Assistant Referee 2: Andraz Kovacic (SVN) 
Fourth Official: David Smajc (SVN) 
Video Assistant Referee: Matej Jug (SVN)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Nejc Kajtazovic (SVN) 
FIFA Referee Assessor: Boško Jovanetić (SRB)
FIFA Match Commissioner: José Guilherme Aguiar (POR)

Group F
20:45 CET - Tórshavn (Tórsvøllur)
FAROE ISLANDS - AUSTRIA 
Referee: Irfan Peljto (BIH)
Assistant Referee 1: Senad Ibrisimbegovic (BIH) 
Assistant Referee 2: Davor Beljo (BIH)
Fourth Official: Milos Gigovic (BIH)
Video Assistant Referee: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Filippo Meli (ITA)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Peter Sippel (GER) 
FIFA Match Commissioner: Eduard Kindle (LIE)

Group F
20:45 CET - Chişinău (Stadionul Zimbru)
MOLDOVA - DENMARK 
Referee: João Pinheiro (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Tiago Costa (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Bruno Alves Jesus (POR)
Fourth Official: Cláudio Filipe Ruivo Pereira (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: Luis Godinho (POR)  
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Hugo Miguel (POR)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Sergey Zuev (RUS) 
FIFA Match Commissioner: Kurt Zuppinger (SUI)

Group I
20:45 CET - Andorra La Vella (Estadi Nacional) 
ANDORRA - ENGLAND 
Referee: Kateryna Monzul (UKR)
Assistant Referee 1: Maryna Striletska (UKR)
Assistant Referee 2: Svitlana Grushko (UKR) 
Fourth Official: Denys Shurman (UKR) 
Video Assistant Referee: Stéphanie Frappart (FRA) 
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Viktor Matyash (UKR)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Marco Borg (MLT)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Haris Gvozden (BIH)

Group I
20:45 CET - Warsaw (Stadion Narodowy)
POLAND - SAN MARINO
Referee: Fran Jović (CRO)
Assistant Referee 1: Hrvoje Radić (CRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Luka Pušić (CRO)
Fourth Official: Dario Bel (CRO) 
Video Assistant Referee: Mario Zebec (CRO)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bjoan Zobenica (CRO) 
FIFA Referee Assessor: Christos Nicolaides (CYP)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Karl Espen Eriksen (NOR)

Group I
20:45 CET - Budapest (Puskás Aréna)
HUNGARY - ALBANIA 
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP) 
Assistant Referee 1: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Iñigo Prieto López de Ceraín (ESP)
Fourth Official: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Raúl Cabañero Martínez (ESP)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Nikolai Ivanov (RUS)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Scott Struthers (SCO)

Friendly
21:15 CET - Faro-Loulé (Estádio Algarve)
PORTUGAL - QATAR 
Referee: Fedayi San (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Sladan Josipovic (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Jean-Yves Wicht (SUI)
Fourth Official: Alain Bieri (SUI)
Video Assistant Referee: Lionel Tschudi (SUI)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Esther Staubli (SUI)
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123 comments:

  1. Davidcrammond7 October 2021 at 10:17

    Very surprised with Monzul (Ukraine) appointed to Andorra vs England. Quite a big game in my opinion as England could secure a spot at the world cup.

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    1. anty757 October 2021 at 10:38

      Don't think its a big game, class difference is huge. If anything Hungary Albania and especially Scotland Israel are much bigger games, teams are more or less equal and a lot at stake also.

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    2. Mikael W7 October 2021 at 10:45

      It's not a big game, but it could potentially be a rough one, especially if the score stays nil-all for a certain amount of time.

      I don't like this appointment to be honest - much better choice would be a 2nd Cat law enforcer type, say Činkov for example. We can all see how Andorra play and you can only deal with them by strictly applying the LotG.

      Monzul's parental, a bit irritating to be honest, leadership style is not a good fit for this tie IMO... but David C. is right in the sense that this appointment makes some good headlines etc.

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    3. smala0177 October 2021 at 20:26

      It annoys me that this type of appointment is still making headlines... Monzul, Frappart, etc. have reffed a few WCQs now, there's nothing novel or unique about it anymore. The media needs to start seeing past their gender and start seeing them as normal people, normal referees...

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  2. Philipp S7 October 2021 at 10:33

    Logically, all matches between 2nd and 3rd place in the table covered by Elite referees. And good to see that this also counts for the Luxemburg match, so they don't underestimate the small country.
    Games for First group referees are not that attractive/importnant on Saturday, nearly everywhere also a Second Group referee seemed possible. But that's also due to the lack of more suitable games on this matchday.
    Monzul already with her 3rd match. It seems the Women referees can't really be put into a men's category, but get a special treatment. (Because 3 matches is Elite / high First group level, but her matches are more adequate for high Second / low First group)

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  3. Wally7 October 2021 at 10:36

    Szymon regains the trust of the committee, a very important game in this group, good luck

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  4. Chefren7 October 2021 at 10:46

    First remark: Abdulkadir Bitigen has been moved to Azerbaijan and not suspended. The game is very far away from being under the spotlights, so I can understand the choice by committee and this is a good signal. However, posting always appointments, I notice that very often Turkish officials, including observers and delegates are appointed for games to be played in Azerbaijan. So this can be the main argument in this case as well. For sure he was appointed for the game in Germany a week ago.
    Then, I notice a particular focus on Di Bello regarding the Italian choices and I'm glad. It seems that the excellent season he had on previous year has been noted. I wish him the best, he can surely try to become very experienced Category 1 and I think that we can expect his promotion if Massa will leave the category for Elite, but maybe even in contrary case. After Celtic - Bayer Levekusen he had Atalanta - Milan three days ago in serie A and he was not that good, he looked tired since the beginning of the game. I'm sure he wil recover.
    About the women: I think it should be the first time with a main referee and a VAR in the same game, if I remember correctly, however, the appointments for Monzul are alwyas the same ones with Andorra, Gibraltar, San Marino. There should be a development after that, otherwise it is appointing just for doing that and nothing more.
    With this set of choices by committee, we have now Vincic out from Nations League finals as well, and in my opinion Taylor appointment becomes more likely. We should add Soares Dias and Hategan as other candidates. We will see.

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    1. Chefren7 October 2021 at 10:47

      Forgot to add, there is always a big trust in Del Cerro, once again. Hopefully this time he will have a good game in Hungary!

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    2. OneRef7 October 2021 at 11:58

      I think the most interesting appointment of this week is Katherina Monzul for Andorra-England. I am very happy for her with this appointment. On the other hand, it is also good to see Frappart as VAR.

      For me, Hungary-Albania and Scotland-Israel are two difficult games of this week, as it is clearly seen from the appointments of Marciniak and Grande. I wish good luck both of them.

      It will be an easy game for Marco Di Bello.

      I found the Bitigen appointment positive for him. I think that the committee managing the situation positively after the last game. In my opinion, Bitigen has been successful as VAR so far. His comments and decisions are in line with the UEFA guidelines.

      As I said before, important appointment for Monzul and I think they will perform well. I haven’t seen anything to annoy me.

      I wish the best for all.

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    3. Emre7 October 2021 at 20:37

      https://youtu.be/kvSBqSBQZAw
      Can you please check min 4.20 to 4.35? Referee Ali Palabıyık, VAR: bitigen
      This is main subject in Turkey this week, both refs are told to be strictly punished. İ believe this is the main reason for bitigens change for germany romania game, because this game was last week and the change in appointment happened after this game.

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    4. Chefren7 October 2021 at 21:01

      Well, you will not believe that, but in my opinion VAR was absolutely correct in this case, he couldn't intervene. Charging / pushing opponents must be mostly directly assessed by referee, a VAR can't think that you will miss such blatant incidents.
      So the big blame goes only to Palabıyık, he looked to be out from the game in that seconds, by allowing play on, but I think correct by VAR to stay silent.
      It is too evident to think that referee didn't see it.

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    5. OneRef9 October 2021 at 22:45

      +1 @Chefren

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  5. MITM7 October 2021 at 11:31

    May I ask, Who appoints referees?

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    1. Chefren7 October 2021 at 11:49

      UEFA makes the appointments for WC qualifiers, then FIFA just approves them.

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    2. MITM7 October 2021 at 17:02

      Thank you :)

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  6. Davidcrammond7 October 2021 at 13:51

    I thought referee assessors had to be of different nationality of the referees. There is a Turkish referee assessor with Turkish var. Surely that will have to change

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    1. Chefren7 October 2021 at 15:42

      It is not the first time that this happens. There were in past for exampla appointments for Hategan with both Italian observer and Italian VARs. This is because the observers just report on referees, VAR work is assessed directly by UEFA.

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  7. f7 October 2021 at 15:01

    Sorry for my repetitive question: for Wc qualifier where VAR will act ? on the filed or in the common center in Nyon ?

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    1. Chefren7 October 2021 at 15:44

      For what I know, Nyon VAR room is used only for CL and some selected EL games. These WC qualifiers should be all officiated with VAR at stadium. We have some hints of that, for example there are full teams, with VARs from the same nationality of referee and some geographical choices like the Turkish in Azerbaijan, Frappart in Andorra, and so on... so all should be with referees at stadium.

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  8. Erick B.7 October 2021 at 15:09

    IMO on the field

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  9. Chefren9 October 2021 at 15:10

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ4GcsLeez0
    What do you think about this decision in CONMEBOL?
    According to VAR, not a clear RC because not very high intensity and the movement doesn't show that player was looking for opponent.

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    1. xabi9 October 2021 at 17:29

      Cristal clear red card IMO. I am astonished

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    2. David9 October 2021 at 20:36

      I agree with this assessment, I think VAR should not intervene and it is not clear, if Cuadruado intended to hurt the opponent. What do you think Chefren?

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    3. Chefren9 October 2021 at 21:10

      I would have liked to see a RC, but I can understand why VAR didn't intervene, however, it is something like a 90% - 10% situation... extremely risky action by Cuadrado.

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  10. Chefren9 October 2021 at 15:44

    Portugal - Qatar friendly, with VAR.
    Esther Staubli (SUI) appointed as AVAR, UEFA women start to make training with VAR, as it was reported in a news by UEFA at the beginning of this season.

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  11. Davidcrammond9 October 2021 at 18:01

    I feel upset that the referee didn't take the knee in the Scotland game. I know some matches don't do it. But to have everyone except the referee seems bad

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    1. Euro Soccer Ref9 October 2021 at 18:55

      In Poland we say that we kneel only before God and future wife. To be honest, IMHO, it's quite empty gesture lasting for too long now.

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    2. Davidcrammond9 October 2021 at 19:08

      Ah fair enough.

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  12. Unknown9 October 2021 at 18:41

    In front of the second goal to Israel handplay. Why have VAR given the goal and no freekick to Scotland?

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    1. Marko239 October 2021 at 18:46

      Because of change in the rules this season. Non deliberate handball is only punishable when scored directly from it.

      Now a penalty that I thought was outside. Missed though

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  13. Euro Soccer Ref9 October 2021 at 18:52

    Brilliant, excellent Marciniak so far. His prevention and anticipation are on the highest level today. This game already could have become a nightmare for the referee but Marciniak managed it outstandingly. Only one YC issued for a reckless tackle leading to penalty.

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    1. David10 October 2021 at 10:10

      Hello ESR, can you please answer my question here? https://law5-theref.blogspot.com/2021/10/uefa-nations-league-202021-referee.html?showComment=1633853240490#c5827581385455907390

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  14. Chiagozie9 October 2021 at 18:53

    I have a question about the recent Lotg… as was updated recently about scoring with your arm and assistming a goal that comes of the hand first before another player scoring okay, the goal has been said to stand. I hoping that this is only for accidental handball?? And if the ball was intentionally handled by an assisting player VAR will intervene?? While secondly if a referee on the pitch spots and accidentall handball that leads to a goal(not directly by the scorer) but allows play to go on and when the goal is scored penalizes the handball, what will VAR follow? Is it the original call of the referee or will go to the updated lotg where accidental handballs are allowed as long as it was not directly scored???

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    1. Philipp S9 October 2021 at 20:42

      Yes, only for accidental handball.
      Yes, this would be VAR relevant in the whole APP.
      VAR could also intervene, if the referee wrongly punished a handball - as long as the whistle came after the goal. Of course, it must me a clear mistake.

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  15. Michael9 October 2021 at 19:26

    In the week when there's been serious discussions about bringing VAR into Scottish football, that decision won't have done any harm! :)

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  16. Wally9 October 2021 at 19:27

    Brilliant Marciniak today in Glasgow

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  17. Chefren9 October 2021 at 19:45

    Maybe later we will have full sequence, it was a quite long process, but as for now, penalty after OFR in Sweden - Kosovo:
    https://streamja.com/eOnJG

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    1. Philipp S9 October 2021 at 20:40

      I hope the referee saw more pictures than we do in this clip...
      Hard to give a judgement by only those.

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    2. David9 October 2021 at 20:40

      I can't tell from the video :(

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    3. Chefren9 October 2021 at 21:39

      I checked full sequence, what you can see in the video is the best angle and the decisive replay for taking final decision, all the rest is even less clear, from aeral camera, or with players hiding the touch. To add, there were important issues with VAR monitor, Di Bello stopped the play and it started to work only after 3 or 4 minutes...
      I'm not convinced by this call as well, this is a classic "Italian" management for handballs, I explained it many times to you :) Another VAR without evidence, wouldn't have intervened.

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    4. Flip9 October 2021 at 22:36

      The hand position certainly indicates a handball offence, but based on these pictures a decisive decision is impossible. As a referee, it also needs the courage to stand with your perceptions when the pictures are that bad; I'm not convinced at all by this PK call.

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  18. Chefren9 October 2021 at 19:48

    Penalty by Marciniak, very good positioning to spot the foul:
    https://streamja.com/nXVWA

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  19. Hans9 October 2021 at 19:52

    Protest by KNVB againts Andrew Madley for not allowed medical treatment yesterday by (what we know now) concussion Gakpo

    https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/1670383098/knvb-attendeert-uefa-op-situatie-met-cody-gakpo

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    1. Hans9 October 2021 at 19:57

      Protest / draw attention by KNVB (Dutch FA)

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    2. Davidcrammond9 October 2021 at 20:25

      I'm sure Andy didn't deliberately not allow medical attention. I've watched matches with him and he normally stops the play

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  20. Unknown9 October 2021 at 19:52

    Correct and (probably) decisive penalty decision in favor of Greece by Donatas Rumsas after an OFR (89.) A clear punishable handball, the arm high and out of the body, by the Georgian defender.

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    1. Philipp S9 October 2021 at 20:38

      Yes, the arm was higher than what can be explained by the jumping movement.
      Maybe a point of improvement would be a quicker decision by the VAR, the game went on for quite some time.

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  21. Euro Soccer Ref9 October 2021 at 20:07

    Good second half by Marciniak, too. The Scotland's equalizer allowed after OFR. The player attacked the ball with open foot but in the opinion of Kwiatkowski he didn't make any danger to the Israeli defender who challenged already straightened leg with low head. I think a more correct outcome has been reached by the Polish crew. Not sure if the OFR was required by UEFA though. As for the rest, less managing than in the first half, just correct disciplinary sanctions. Well done! What is most important, Marciniak proved today he's able to handle the biggest clashes again. We could expect him getting much in the nearest future.

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    1. anty759 October 2021 at 20:22

      Yes, he was outstanding in a really important and difficult game

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    2. Philipp S9 October 2021 at 20:33

      IMO the OFR was rather wrong and surprising. Grey area between "high foot" and "low head", but a decision for dangerous play can't be a mistake for me.
      I agree about the overall positive impression though.

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    3. Ecosse9 October 2021 at 20:38

      I think the caution to me suggested that Marciniak thought there was contact between the boot of the attacker and the defenders head. Replays showed that there wasn't. (I know you can be cautioned for dangerous play) I just think it's likely he thought there was contact and was advised otherwise

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    4. Chefren9 October 2021 at 20:51

      Video:
      https://streamja.com/05akW
      Very likely the reason for VAR intervention is indeed the YC issued by Marciniak, he thought that there had been contact.
      However, after OFR he could have whistled dangerous play against attacker, but nowadays this kind of decision isn't taken so often anymore. Therefore for me rather correct OFR because Marcinisk thought about a different situation.

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    5. usaref10 October 2021 at 06:00

      I read posts here sometimes and it's clear that some otherwise intelligent referee people are clueless about how VAR is supposed to operate and why certain things occur.

      The YC is not a reason for VAR intervention. The point is that Marciniak called a foul but he did so after the ball went in the net, therefore you have a potential goal. The OFR is relative to the goal and whether or not there was a foul in the APP. Marciniak called a foul in the APP (and yes, issued a YC--but that is irrelevant). The VAR is telling Marciniak "the decision you made to call a foul is clearly wrong, I recommend a review."

      That's it. That's how it works.

      To suggest that Marciniak would go to the monitor, realize the YC was wrong but the foul still stood... just defies logic.

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    6. usaref10 October 2021 at 06:03

      Oh and I just went to look at the match report. The yellow card was to Robertson for dissent, not to the goal-scorer. The yellow card stood.

      So, there's that, too.

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    7. Chiagozie10 October 2021 at 09:40

      @usaref you really do not understand what Chefren had implied and I guess you too do not understand how VAR works. So the Yellow card was for dissent Ann not for the foul itself but what Chefren thought and meant at that time was that the referee had thought contact was made and a direct free kick giving to the defending team and the yellow card that supposedly had been giving to the attacking player symbolizes the perception Marchiniak had of the situation and this in itself was that he thought dangerous play had occurred, contact was made and hence a yellow card, the yellow gives the VAR the perception which wasn’t the case because no contact was made and hence had to call him to review. To further explain the case I would say that if the referee had not giving a yellow card and then giving an indirect free kick for just a high foot, that perception will be Justified by VAR and no OFR would have taken place, this is what constitute the “Cleae and Obvious mistake” That VAR preaches, it’s all down to what the referee relays and what the VAR sees but this is all Academic as the card was for dissent, just wanted to explain what Chefren meant.

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    8. Philipp S10 October 2021 at 12:18

      The YC was indeed for dissent.
      If Marciniak had given the direct free kick based on a contact and the VAR thought there was no contact, so it's at most an indirect free kick - one could justify an OFR due to the wrong perception (but not due to the wrong restart!).
      BUT: I am pretty sure, there actually is some contact between head and leg, so IMO this argument becomes void.

      @usaref: Is the OFR correct or wrong in your opinion?

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    9. usaref10 October 2021 at 19:56

      @Chiagozie the idea that I don't know how VAR works and how it is supposed to work is funny. I'll just move on.

      @Phillipp S, I think there are two ways to answer your question.

      First, in this match and for this incident, the OFR is 100% correct. Either the VAR has determined, in his opinion, that this is clearly not a foul regardless of Marciniak's decision on-the-field OR they have talked it through and Marciniak has indicated he called something that is factually untrue (like calling contact when there was none). Either way, it's a clear error to rule out the goal. So the OFR is correct and Marciniak's decision is correct in my opinion. Of course, I don't see the contact that you see. If there was foot-to-head contact that is clearly discernible on video, then the OFR becomes much more difficult to support.

      The bigger problem, though, is how this compares to other situations continent-wide. The point of VAR is to establish a clear line of intervention where everyone understands, to a great extent, what consitutes "clearly wrong." This incident meets that threshold, in my opinion, because there is no contact that I see and any high boot from the Scottish attacker did not prevent the defender from making an attempt to play the ball (so not playing with a dangerous manner either). There was no foul. So the goal should be allowed. Will other VARs act consistently throughout Europe? It's hard to say. In other situations we've seen what I would call big discrepancies in how VARs are intervening. You have Blom's intervention for the 2CT a few weeks ago, which was a big problem. You even have the intervention yesterday with Cakir, which I know some people here like. The problem is how one can say the intervention with Cakir was good but that no intervention with Makkelie in the semifinal in London was also correct? "Clearly wrong" doesn't mean "changing undesirable decisions" or "annulling soft penalties." It means intervening to change decisions that are not supportable by the facts. It's going to take a long while until we have consistency throughout the confident. A LONG while. MLS is doing great at its VAR program and there are still problems. I noted them in Germany and Italy as well and we know England has been a disaster in many ways. Getting everyone on the same page in a single league is hard enough. Getting everyone in UEFA on the same page is an incredible task.

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  22. Chefren9 October 2021 at 20:55

    Disallowed goal in SUI - NIR, missed offside by AR1, but very hard to see, maybe impossible. After that, there would have been another offside assessment to do, with a player maybe obstructing keeper's view, but this wasn't necessary. I think goal would have been allowed without the first offside.

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  23. Chefren9 October 2021 at 21:01

    Georgia - Greece, very decisive penalty call after OFR:
    https://streamja.com/BB6yN

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  24. Davidcrammond9 October 2021 at 21:05

    Tight offside call. Overturned and goal allowed in Andorra vs England.

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  25. Paweł M9 October 2021 at 21:07

    Weak VAR in Pol vs Sma

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  26. Ex Eng Ref9 October 2021 at 21:09

    Seemed to take forever, not sure communication systems were working. First replay showed level at worst. Exactly what VAR was brought in for

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  27. Chefren9 October 2021 at 21:22

    Vincic with guts. Sending off a player in first half for wasting time, second YC. NIR bench is mad.

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    1. fest9 October 2021 at 21:24

      Any video?

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    2. Dondi9 October 2021 at 21:25

      NIR was wasting lot of time, but then picking the only booked one, wow

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    3. Dondi9 October 2021 at 21:28

      Now the GK of NIR holds the ball in his hands for around 40 sec. Let's see how Vinic deals now with further time waste

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    4. pita falta9 October 2021 at 21:30

      Perfect management of Vincic. He had already warned them that they would not be able to continue like this

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    5. Unknown9 October 2021 at 21:40

      I disagree about the management of this situation. Apart from the fact one can discuss the (non)sense to book an already cautioned player for something like this, in my book good management would have been to visibly hurry up the player who was wasting time, before actually sanction him. Vincic only pointed the place of the throw in, but did not do anything to make the player hurry up.

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    6. pita falta9 October 2021 at 21:42

      He solicited several times. Did you not notice that?

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    7. Unknown9 October 2021 at 21:48

      Maybe he warned them in the minutes before, but I meant this particular throw in situation. In this instance he did not do anything, while he could easily have whistled a couple of times or have made a gesture to speed things up.

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    8. pita falta9 October 2021 at 21:52

      Not maybe, he clearly warned them. If they didn't understand it, too bad for them

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    9. Unknown9 October 2021 at 21:59

      Still in THIS particular situation there was no preventative management in my view. Could have been handled better.

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    10. Anonymous9 October 2021 at 23:27

      And to me, it seems that he forgot that the NIR player was already booked. You could clearly see that Swiss players informed him. Good management would be to punish the goalie for example. All 11 players wasted time, why send off the only booked player

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    11. Chefren10 October 2021 at 08:57

      It seems that a player who already got booked, can't get a second one? Unknown @23:27, the infringement was very clear. Vincic would have booked in all cases there. About the other time wasting, you could argue that this was a very blatant one, because the player took a very long time and he did that in front of referee. First person to be blamed is player, however I recognize that nowadays refereeing becomes more and more difficult to apply, in the meaning that it looks like a "crime" to send off a player in first half... or other unpopular decisions. I'm really sorry for that.

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  28. Anonymous9 October 2021 at 21:32

    In spirit of the game wrong decision to give 2YC to the only booked player. With 10 men on the pitch the time wasting is only getting worse..

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    1. pita falta9 October 2021 at 21:37

      If it gets worse send another one to take a shower

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    2. pita falta9 October 2021 at 21:39

      The spirit of the game is against wasting time

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  29. Daniel Bailey9 October 2021 at 21:35

    Three yellows late on in the Andorra England game (1H). Can't help but feel a word would have been appropriate in all cases. England need to learn what they'll get away with in the Premier League will earn them (imo harsh) cautions in this match

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  30. Sandor Puhl9 October 2021 at 21:38

    Big mistake, clear penalty-kick for Serbia (45+2', Tadić): Collum/VAR Dankert.

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    1. Nole9 October 2021 at 21:40

      Incredible that it wasn't penalty for Serbia in 47'. Might be that GK first touched the ball, but he kicked the player at the knee and could hurt him severely. VAR did nothing. This VAR is becoming more and more worthless thing. Stupid rules and refs that don't know to apply them are destroying the idea of VAR.

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  31. Nole9 October 2021 at 21:42

    https://www.b92.net/sport/fudbal/vesti.php?yyyy=2021&mm=10&dd=09&nav_id=1934410

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    1. Sandor Puhl9 October 2021 at 21:45

      Penalty-kick! 🤷‍♂️

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    2. Chefren9 October 2021 at 21:48

      The quality of video is not the best, however if keeper hit attacker with that leg, this was a clear penalty to be whistled because 100% reckless. In abstract, very similar to what Blom did in Kabakov game, with player hitting ball but then hiting also opponent. This looks to be far even more evident.
      One reason could be that Collum said to VAR that he saw what had happened and he didn't want to whistle for that.

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    3. Sandor Puhl9 October 2021 at 21:52

      https://youtu.be/XfwaE_zY3fc

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    4. RefSoccer34129 October 2021 at 21:52

      Here is scene before the half-tiwe :
      https://streamable.com/t0taoo

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    5. RefSoccer34129 October 2021 at 21:52

      *time

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    6. Unknown9 October 2021 at 21:54

      The difference with the Kabakov penalty IMO is that here the goalkeeper plays the ball with the one (low) foot, but hits the opponent with the other (legs) leg, in reckless manner. Penalty for me!
      In the Kabakov penalty the defender played the ball in a normal manner, and could not avoid the contact of the foot with opponent’s shin. That’s rather difference for me.

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    7. Niko9 October 2021 at 21:54

      Collum is positioned incorrectly to have a proper view of the situation. Focused on possible mass confrontation and never made eye contact with AR2. Team communication was non-existing. AR2 had a perfect position to see the contact above the knee, and he was just an observer, no input from him. Crucial mistake if the result stays the same.
      NO VAR IN THIS GAME.

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    8. Chefren9 October 2021 at 22:01

      Well, watching in better quality it can look like even it was intentional by keeper, or at least he didn't anything to avoid contact.
      What about silent check? I could even think that Dankert assessed the intervention by keeper more generally, without focusing on the particular of this leg.

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    9. Niko9 October 2021 at 22:13

      It could be that AR2 was focused on the lower leg, but it is unbelievable how he missed the follow-up leg since it was in or above the attacker's knee level, and maybe intentional.
      Once again I don't understand the purpose of VAR, since the technology should be here to make the correct decision. They just use a "clear and obvious" way to narrow. Please, someone, tell me: Is the referee allowed to demand to see the video replay, or he must be called by VAR? Who is the decision-maker here?

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    10. Flip9 October 2021 at 22:55

      IMO, penalty to be whistled; the keeper raises his leg actively towards the attacker's knee, reckless movement.
      About VAR, I'm not too sure whether an intervention would be liked by UEFA. I think Dankert assessed the significance of the whole action (not so much the specific upper leg movement) as not enough to justify an OFR.

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    11. Chefren10 October 2021 at 08:54

      Yes Flip at the end that's my read as well, Dankert assessed the whole action by keeper, not giving importance to that leg, and I can understand (it doesn't mean "agree") this management.
      It stays as clear penalty for me.

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  32. Sandor Puhl9 October 2021 at 21:43

    Again and again Germany's VAR - incredible! Brych, Zwayer, Dankert... 🤔

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  33. Chefren9 October 2021 at 22:04

    Second YC for time wasting by Vincic:
    https://streamja.com/jqoEO

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    1. Chefren9 October 2021 at 22:07

      I think you can't blame Vincic, see how long player waited before trying to execute the throw-in, but I want also to underline, as it happens very often in such situations, I'm not sure referee was aware that player was already booked before issuing second YC.

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    2. Hans9 October 2021 at 22:10

      Very good decision.

      Same situation 2 years ago with Bjorn Kuipers giving 2nd yc for time wasting by a throw-in

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    3. pita falta9 October 2021 at 22:47

      Well done Vincic.

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    4. SavRef10 October 2021 at 08:25

      I would prefer a better management by Vincic (36th minute of the game player allready booked).Body language shown that he accept players time wasting until he decide to shown the 2YC...I agree with Chefren ...no awareness thathe was allready booked....

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    5. David10 October 2021 at 09:53

      The Swiss commentator said:
      "- Not good Management to book the only player who already had a YC, he had chances to step up before."
      "- At this level you can not do this, I understand the frustration of the NIR coach"
      "- Vincic knew, that the player was already cautioned, in this situation you have to give a (public) warning (first)"
      "- This is not a good performance from the official up to now."

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  34. Unknown9 October 2021 at 22:14

    As far as I’m concerned Rebés should have been off now (66. in AND-ENG). Jumped into his opponent as a butcher - recklessly at least - and it even seemed he tried to hit the opponent with a hidden elbow.

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  35. Daniel Bailey9 October 2021 at 22:15

    67' Rebes, already on a yellow, leaves out an elbow that hits a face. After three very harsh yellows, this seems nailed on, but just a free kick given. Personally think Andorra are very lucky

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  36. Davidcrammond9 October 2021 at 22:40

    Kateryna Monzul actually had an alright game. Missed a nailed on 2nd yellow in my opinion. Game management 9/10. Whistled for in my opinion not a foul. Calmed down players when it got heated and took no mouthy from anyone. Great job. Overall rating 9/10.

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  37. Daniel Bailey9 October 2021 at 22:46

    Mixed match for Monzul. Fairly quiet and easy, but a couple of moments were it flaired up. Very little match management skills for me, especially in the first half. Three completely unecessary yellows, were a calming word would have surficed. Second half, penalty spot on, both cautions supportable, although 67' was a missed 2nd Yellow. AR1 unfortunate with the offside goal, looked very very close although the Uefa image with lines was never shown. AR2 had many, many correct offside decisions in the second half, although slightly unsure about 82'. Overall unconvinced, but no major talking points

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    1. Chefren9 October 2021 at 22:51

      The penalty call:
      https://streamja.com/wk0V3

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    2. superstar01109 October 2021 at 23:17

      Very bad positioning when penalty is going to be taken

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    3. Jackson10 October 2021 at 11:17

      superstar0110 +1 Agreed.

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    4. Chefren10 October 2021 at 12:29

      Yes, she could have impeded some players to reach ball, and indeed penalty was saved, she was lucky to escape from an involvement in the game...

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    5. Glamourboy10 October 2021 at 20:11

      ..she was extremely nervous from the start, having to restart the game twice. She did manage to compose herself though. In honesty it wasn't a difficult game to ref and l agree with most here, YCs were issued too hastily to impose unnecessary authority. Players knew they were being watched so behaved most of the game. Stayed too central to avoid being caught out of position.

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  38. fest9 October 2021 at 22:56

    Very interesting situation in Group I. Albania vs Poland will be a decisive battle for play-off (a lose of Poland eliminated them). What do you think, who will be a referee?
    Turpin is only top referee without top clash?

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    1. Ref19 October 2021 at 23:20

      Turpin will be the referee for Albania - Poland

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  39. TJ. Oss9 October 2021 at 23:12

    To add onto the Monzul comments about the Rebes challenge in Andorra-England.

    Personally this is violent conduct, the player intentionally uses his elbow in an act of brutality against the English player, it's very sneakily done, and I can see if the referee didn't notice it, though I'm surprised that Monzul didn't assess the force in the challenge as at least reckless but I am very surprised that there didn't seem to be anything other than a cursory VAR check given the mode and point of contact and the way this wasn't a challenge for the ball.

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  40. Steve England9 October 2021 at 23:32

    Just not convinced by Monzul, unfortunately. As predicted, Andorra a dreadful team to referee due to lack of skill and terrible discipline. Always going to be scrappy, lacking flow. To give her an England game is great but really should’ve been a better choice of opponent, I think. Obviously experienced but 3 key issues:

    Manner: lacks a calm authority, seems very flustered. Everything seemed stern which then meant a ‘warning’ lost its effect.

    Card selection - some very soft YCs which could’ve been avoided by a public warning. Then the most blatant (2nd YC not given. Could see the AND player look twice to check before aiming … had to be second YC)

    Positioning: far too central and too far from play - didn’t seem to be a fitness thing, just choosing to stand still & too far away from play on the touch lines. In the way of play a lot, particularly very early on. Also, basic positioning issue at penalty as far too close to the taker, meaning couldn’t see players behind her on edge of area and in the way from the rebound/save.

    ARs seemed very good. I’m sure she’ll continue to be pushed but wasn’t convinced today.

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  41. JMC10 October 2021 at 00:05

    Szymon Marciniak (POL)I was at Hampden tonight and didn’t find this referees performance very convincing. Looked flustered and panicky for most of match and left me pretty disappointed. Ps/ AR2 wore bright yellow boots (or flashes on them) this just looked strange!!! ) noticed it at the warm up and was very noticeable.

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  42. Unknown10 October 2021 at 02:08

    Does anyone know AFC qualifications MD4 referee?

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  43. Chefren10 October 2021 at 08:32

    yes, Rebes challenge is a clear YC with some chances to consider it as deliberate and therefore RC for violent conduct as well. Not issuing YC is a very significant mistake, I think Monzul missed the exact perception of incident, it is not difficult to think that before she gave some cards for less clear situations...
    Watching the sequence I think she could improve her style, too often it looks like she is just angry / nervous, but not with a real focus on the incidents she is about to assess.

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    1. David10 October 2021 at 10:01

      Any clip of Rebes' challenge?

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    2. Refwatch10 October 2021 at 10:22

      Here you are, Rebés' challenge:

      https://streamable.com/t1ut7s

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    3. David10 October 2021 at 10:30

      Thank you DutchRef :) Should VAR intervene here?

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    4. Hans10 October 2021 at 12:16

      For me clear yc but @David no VAR because not a RC for me

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  44. Steve England10 October 2021 at 10:38

    Is there not a way the VAR can help the referee by bending the rules. Even though you know it is likely a YC (here a second YC), could you ‘help’ the referee get there by calling an OFR for a ‘potential’ RC and let referee see for herself??

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  45. Euro Soccer Ref10 October 2021 at 11:48

    HIGHLIGHTS

    SCOISR
    https://fromsmash.com/211009-WCQ-Scotland-Israel-Szymon-Marciniak-Tomasz-Kwiatkowski

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