Anthony Taylor has been appointed by UEFA Referees Committee to handle 2020/21 Nations League final, to be played in Milan on Sunday 10 October 2021 between Spain and France. Serbian Srđan Jovanović in charge of Third Place Game Italy - Belgium.
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| Anthony Taylor will referee the Nations League final |
Final
10 October 2021, 20:45 CET - Stadio Giuseppe Meazza, Milan (ITA)SPAIN - FRANCE
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: Craig Pawson (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Lee Betts (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 3: Pol van Boekel (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Raili Ellermaa (EST)
Third Place Game
10 October 2019, 15:00 CET - Juventus Stadium, Turin (ITA)
ITALY - BELGIUM
Referee: Srđan Jovanović (SRB)
Assistant Referee 1: Uroš Stojković (SRB)
Assistant Referee 2: Milan Mihajlović (SRB)
Fourth Official: Novak Simović (SRB)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Raili Ellermaa (EST)
Third Place Game
10 October 2019, 15:00 CET - Juventus Stadium, Turin (ITA)
ITALY - BELGIUM
Referee: Srđan Jovanović (SRB)
Assistant Referee 1: Uroš Stojković (SRB)
Assistant Referee 2: Milan Mihajlović (SRB)
Fourth Official: Novak Simović (SRB)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Lee Betts (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 3: Pol van Boekel (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Carlos Velasco Carballo (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Tarik Shamel (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Carlos Velasco Carballo (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Tarik Shamel (ENG)
OT
ReplyDeleteI don't know how accurate the list is (I remember there were some issues in the past with random names listed as well) but those are the UEFA referee observers listed in the system.
ALBANIA
Janku, Albano (1967)
Jareci, Sokol (1967)
Kotherja, Plarent (1951)
ANDORRA
Chato Ciprés, Salustià (1969)
ARMENIA
Hovhannisyan, Gevorg (1958)
Nalbandyan, Karen (1964)
AUSTRIA
Einwaller, Thomas (1977)
Meßner, Stefan (1964)
Plautz, Konrad (1964)
Schörgenhofer, Robert (1973)
Sedlacek, Robert (1955)
Stuchlik, Fritz (1966)
AZERBAIJAN
Xudiyev, Asim (1957)
BELGIUM
De Bleeckere, Frank (1966)
Goethals, Guy (1952)
Wouters, Luc (1969)
BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA
Mrković, Rusmir (1968)
Pilav, Elmir (1980)
Valjić, Ognjen (1981)
BELARUS
Čykun, Alieh (1960)
BULGARIA
Gerginov, Kostadin (1954)
Lozev, Ichko (1956)
Yordanov, Georgi (1973)
CROATIA
Kovačić, Draženko (1966)
Pristovnik, Igor (1975)
Svilokos, Vlado (1969)
Vučemilović-Šimunović, Ante (1974)
Vučkov, Domagoj (1976)
CYPRUS
Argyroú, Michális (1960)
Kapitanís, Kóstas (1964)
Nikolaḯdis, Chrístos (1975)
Tráttou, Leóndios (1973)
CZECH REPUBLIC
Beneš, Michal (1967)
Liba, Miroslav (1958)
Tulinger, Miroslav (1960)
Vidlák, Karel (1963)
DENMARK
Carlsen, Jan (1953)
Johansen, Michael (1975)
Larsen, Claus Bo (1965)
Larsen, Jens (1961)
Larsen, Jørn West (1955)
ENGLAND
Barry, Neale (1958)
Clattenburg, Mark (1975)
Lodge, Stephen (1952)
Riley, Michael (1964)
Tanner, Stephen (1970)
ESTONIA
Habicht, Are (1959)
Kaasik, Hannes (1978)
Tutk, Uno (1959)
FINLAND
Asumaa, Tony (1968)
Hyytiä, Jouni (1964)
Kari, Petteri (1971)
Peltola, Mika (1963)
FRANCE
Batta, Marc (1953)
Duhamel, Laurent (1968)
Fautrel, Fredy (1971)
Garibian, Pascal (1961)
Lannoy, Stéphane (1969)
Layec, Bertrand (1965)
Sars, Alain (1961)
FAROE ISLANDS
Isaksen, Lassin (1961)
Líðarenda, Niklas á (1955)
GEORGIA
Paniashvili, Levan (1963)
Vadachkoria, Giorgi (1977)
GERMANY
Fandel, Herbert (1964)
Fleischer, Helmut (1964)
Fröhlich, Lutz Michael (1957)
Sippel, Peter (1969)
Steinborn, Edgar (1957)
GREECE
DeleteBíkas, Geórgios (1955)
Koukoulákis, Michaíl (1975)
Tritsónis, Stávros (1977)
Vassáras, Kýros (1966)
HUNGARY
Ábrahám, Attila (1962)
Székely, Ferenc (1966)
Tóth, Vencel (1953)
ICELAND
Hjaltalín, Þóroddur (1977)
Jakobsson, Kristinn (1969)
Jónsson, Gunnar Jarl (1983)
Ólafsson, Eyjólfur (1953)
Orrason, Gylfi Þór (1959)
ISRAEL
Shteif, Shmuel (1965)
Yaakov, Chaim (1968)
Yefet, Alon (1972)
ITALY
Damato, Antonio (1972)
Messina, Domenico (1962)
Rizzoli, Nicola (1971)
Rocchi, Gianluca (1973)
Rosetti, Roberto (1967)
Trefoloni, Matteo Simone (1971)
Trentalange, Alfredo (1957)
KAZAKHSTAN
Salıı, Pavel (1967)
LATVIA
Direktorenko, Vadims (1981)
Sipailo, Andrejs (1971)
LITHUANIA
Dunauskas, Nerijus (1978)
Slyva, Sergejus (1980)
LUXEMBOURG
Bindels, Sven (1979)
Hamer, Alain (1975)
MALTA
Borg, Marco (1971)
Lautier, Christopher (1972)
Pisani, Clayton (1978)
Sant, Alan Mario (1980)
MOLDOVA
Antonov, Vladimir (1958)
Șațchii, Igor (1972)
MONTENEGRO
Mihaljević, Goran (1969)
Radovanović, Pavle (1975)
NETHERLANDS
Bossen, Ruud (1962)
Koopman, Rien (1956)
Kuipers, Björn (1973)
Temmink, René (1960)
Wegereef, Jan Willem (1962)
NORTH MACEDONIA
Božinovski, Emil (1964)
Mečkarovski, Dimitar (1975)
NORTHERN IRELAND
Ferry, John (1955)
Irvine, Leslie (1958)
Malcolm, David (1969)
Ross, Michael Thomas (1961)
NORWAY
Alseth, Kjell Gunnar (1960)
Hauge, Terje (1965)
Pedersen, Rune (1963)
Skjervold, Jon Eilif (1957)
POLAND
Małek, Robert (1971)
Mikulski, Tomasz (1968)
Przesmycki, Zbigniew (1951)
PORTUGAL
Batista, Lucílio Cardoso Cortez (1965)
Castro, Nuno Alexandre Parreira de (1972)
Ferreira, João Francisco Lopes (1967)
Pereira, Vítor Manuel de Melo (1957)
REPUBLIC OF IRELAND
Foley, Edward (1961)
Perry, Gerard (1955)
Ward, John (1956)
ROMANIA
Constantin, Augustus Viorel (1974)
Deaconu, Alexandru (1972)
Grigorescu, Nicolae (1955)
RUSSIA
Baskakov, Yuriy (1964)
Gvardis, Aleksandr (1965)
Ivanov, Nikolay (1964)
Levnikov, Nikolay (1956)
Zuyev, Sergey (1955)
SAN MARINO
Podeschi, Stefano (1967)
SCOTLAND
Brines, Iain Robertson (1967)
Clark, Kenneth William (1961)
Dallas, Hugh (1957)
Murray, Calum (1967)
Young, William (1955)
SERBIA
Filipović, Dejan (1973)
Jovanetić, Boško (1973)
Karadžić, Milan (1967)
Mažić, Milorad (1973)
Petrović, Zoran (1952)
SLOVAKIA
Fašung, Ján (1952)
Gádoši, Ladislav (1957)
Medveď, Vladimír (1961)
Ružbarský, Marián (1968)
SLOVENIA
Čeferin, Darko (1968)
Kos, Drago (1961)
Šajn, Vladimir (1959)
SPAIN
Clos Gómez, Carlos (1972)
Fernández Borbalán, David (1973)
Fernández Marín, Juan Antonio (1957)
González Vázquez, Bernardino (1966)
Medina Cantalejo, Luis (1964)
Undiano Mallenco, Alberto (1973)
Velasco Carballo, Carlos (1971)
SWEDEN
Hansson, Martin (1971)
Ingvarsson, Martin (1965)
Johannesson, Stefan (1971)
Lindberg, Leif (1958)
Strömbergsson, Markus (1975)
SWITZERLAND
Amhof, Sascha (1980)
Bianchi, Francesco (1951)
Iseli, Martin (1964)
Nobs, Markus (1966)
Schluchter, Andreas (1957)
Zimmermann, Cyril (1976)
TURKEY
Çelik, Sabri (1955)
Erdemir, Orhan (1963)
Ersoy, Erol (1962)
Ilgaz, Mehmet Murat (1957)
Şimşek, Barış (1976)
UKRAINE
Petrov, Volodymyr (1961)
Shvetsov, Viktor (1969)
WALES
Ellingham, Raymond (1960)
Parry, Kevin (1967)
Whitby, Mark Steven (1973)
Could somebody make a list with "the most importants" observers? I am not very informed on this domain. I know Dallas, De Bleckeere and of course Rosetti are among them but no much more and I would like to know more.
DeleteThank your for this list, any chance to get the one for Women?
DeleteIn addition to Mazic and Rocchi, we should welcome all the other new observers, with furter special mention for Kuipers, Clattenburg and Undiano!
Of course it's subjective but I would highlight the following names:
DeleteNalbandyan, Plautz, De Bleeckere, Kapitanís, Jørn West Larsen, Batta, Lannoy, Layec, Fandel, Vassáras, Messina, Rizzoli, Rosetti, Trentalange, Hamer, Hauge, Pedersen, Mikulski, L. Batista, V. Pereira, Deaconu, Levnikov, Dallas, Šajn, Fernández Borbalán, Velasco Carballo, Bianchi
@Chefren, I will try to find out!
DeleteARMENIA
DeleteGrigoryan, Knarik (1978)
BELGIUM
Brohet, Claudine (1965)
De Boeck, Carolina (1966)
BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA
Vlaić, Ivana (1980)
BULGARIA
Doneva, Galina (1963)
Sinabova, Anelia (1972)
CROATIA
Fočić, Snježana (1966)
Logarušić, Blaženka (1969)
CYPRUS
Karagiórgi, Sofía (1981)
CZECH REPUBLIC
Damková, Dagmar (1974)
DENMARK
Holm, Gitte (1965)
ENGLAND
Toms, Wendy (1962)
FINLAND
Heikkinen, Kirsi (1978)
Saarivainio, Anri (1972)
FRANCE
Viennot, Nelly (1962)
GERMANY
Frai, Christine (1965)
Günthner, Elke (1964)
Kunick, Anja (1975)
GREECE
Kókotou, Andonía (1971)
Kyríou, Eléni (1970)
HUNGARY
Gaál, Gyöngyi Krisztina (1975)
ISRAEL
Asulin, Lilach (1972)
ITALY
Atzori, Marta Bonaria (1966)
Spinelli, Silvia Tea (1970)
Vitulano, Carina Susana (1975)
LITHUANIA
Kancė, Aušra (1975)
MALTA
Azzopardi Farrugia, Esther (1981)
MOLDOVA
Tanschi, Olga (1975)
NETHERLANDS
Jong, Sjoukje de (1972)
Konink-Belksma, Regina (1957)
NORWAY
Skogvang, Bente Ovedie (1962)
Sørø, Marte (1980)
POLAND
Wierzbowska, Katarzyna (1973)
Wnuk, Emilia (1964)
REPUBLIC OF IRELAND
Coombes, Rhona (1979)
McDermott, Hilda (1964)
ROMANIA
Albon, Teodora (1977)
Mîrț, Irina (1972)
RUSSIA
Avdonchenko, Nataliya (1967)
Mamayeva, Marina (1968)
Ulyanovskaya, Nadezhda (1966)
SERBIA
Minić, Ana (1983)
Rankov, Jelena (1991)
SLOVAKIA
Migaľová, Miroslava (1972)
SPAIN
Quintero Siles, Paloma (1971)
Villa Gutiérrez, María Luisa (1973)
SWEDEN
Jonsson, Ingrid (1959)
Palmqvist, Jenny (1969)
Persson, Maria (1968)
TURKEY
Gökçek İşcan, Dilan Deniz (1976)
Thank you so much!
DeleteTaylor's appointment expected and deserved. But Jovanovic? Not the best choice if you ask me. Dias and Hategan could have been chosed instead imo.
ReplyDeleteSadness for Brych...
ReplyDeleteAccording to UEFA.com there are more AVAR's appointed to each game.
ReplyDeleteLee Betts is AVAR2 and Pol van Boekel is AVAR3 on both the Final and the 3rd place PO match.
In my opinion, with Italy involved, and once known Karasev appointment for the semifinal, this was the only option at moment for the final, unless Brych, of course. About the German, we can't know more, but if Undiano got this game as last honor, committee could have done the same with the German. There can be other factors.
ReplyDeleteDifferently from previous finals, fourth officials will be from the same nationality of referees and not Elite. In 2019 we had Sidiropoulos and Mateu Lahoz as fourth officials.
Also, in 2019 Hategan took the Third Place game, he is now out again. This was another chance for him to get a final, but still nothing. It becomes very, very particular. He seems to be the only Elite referee who can't get a final game, not even Super Cup.
Regarding Taylor nomination, absolutely deserved for what he did, committee took this opportunity, but if the English can be very happy for this achievement, we should also add that this makes quite unlikely to see him again for CL and/or EL finals this year, in case of English teams eliminated. Maybe he could have got more after the excellent path of last seasons, but he will be definitely happy with that. He had also Super Cup so overall a good treatment.
Brych had 5 matches in last Eurocup, despite a questionable performance... Already had his last honor
DeleteSemi-Finals highlights
ReplyDeleteITAESP
https://fromsmash.com/211006-UNL-Italy-Spain-Sergey-Karasyov-Pol-van-Boekel
BELFRA
https://fromsmash.com/211007-UNL-Belgium-France-Daniel-Siebert-Christian-Dingert
This could be a reward for Taylor, after being praised on the EURO (especially after DEN-FIN). He was sent home after round 16 despite a good tournement, thanks to his national team :)
ReplyDeleteBrych would have deserved it as well! Although he had a very succesful EURO.
Both would be very deserved names and I can understand why they appointed Taylor. But still, I would also like to see Brych quit after a final, like Kuipers. Brych has led 65 CL games. Isn't that the most of all referees?
KNVB announced some appointments:
ReplyDeleteMonday, October 11th
20:45 North-Macedonia - Germany
Danny Makkelie - Hessel Steegsta, Jan de Vries - Sander van der Eijk
[Kevin Blom - Clay Ruperti]
19:00 Cyprus - Malta
Dennis Higler - Erwin Zeinstra, Mario Diks - Jeroen Manschot
[Allard Lindhout - Rob Dieperink]
Both VAR's in Nyon? I'm confused now :D
DeleteWhat makes you think VAR’s are in Nyon? VAR’s are on location in these qualifiers.
DeleteThe article on KNVB states that both VAR's will be in Nyon (I can read Dutch :))
Deletehttps://www.knvb.nl/nieuws/scheidsrechters/aanstellingen/65066/higler-en-makkelie-op-pad-voor-wk-kwalificatie
https://www.knvb.nl/nieuws/scheidsrechters/aanstellingen/65066/higler-en-makkelie-op-pad-voor-wk-kwalificatie
Sorry, I see they adjusted the article. The statement regarding Nyon is removed so I guess the VAR's will be at the stadium
DeleteOK, now I understand. Dutch FA probably was mistaken then.
DeleteThere aren't category for VAR so far, but surely all the VARs invited to Nyon seem to have more consideration by committee. These VAR can work from stadium as well (it is for example the case of Blom who belongs to this category) but other VARs are not called in Nyon for covering CL and EL games. We will se in future how this will develop.
DeleteErwin Zeinstra with Higler, interesting!
ReplyDeleteAnd with Mario Diks. Also interesting to see Van der Eijk as 4th official. Seems a sign towards a FIFA-badge.
DeleteSome news from Russia. Vítor Manuel de Melo Pereira (POR) has been chosen as the new head of referees. Jouni Hyytiä (FIN) will be v-ce chairman. The Portuguese will be responsible for administrative matters and education while the Finnish will educate, appoint and instruct the (top) referees. We can guess that it's Hyytiä who will be really into Russian refereeing.
ReplyDeleteOn the FIFA list, Yevgeniy Kukulyak (1986) will replace Sergey Lapochkin (banned).
If Pereira educates the Russian referees like he did in Greece then I feel sorry for Russian refereeing......
DeleteVery surprised that it’s not Brych.
ReplyDeleteDoes this rule out Taylor for the champions league final?
ReplyDeleteThat's something I also considered.
DeleteI hope it won't, although Anthony Taylor is very dependent on domestic performances. Of course there is a chance that English clubs won't make it to the final, but the PL is still a very strong competition, so there is always a big chance that one club will make it (no garantees though :)). Maybe that’s also a reason why comite decided to reward Taylor with the Nations League final because there finally was a possibility.
When looking at the previous CL final (< 10 years) appointments, it seems like UEFA follows a clear path. The ref who officiates the CL final "at least" officiated:
-The Europa League final or UEFA Super League
-Or at least a Semi final CL
The only exception of the past ten years was Orsato.
Based on the above the main options would be:
- Taylor (SC, final NL)
- Makkelie (Europa League, semi CL, semi Euro)
- Turpin (Europa League, semi NL)
- Karasev (SC)
- Marciniak (SC)
It will all depend on performances, politics etc. Based on 'style', natural authority and feeling the game, my favourites are Taylor and Makkelie but hey, that’s personal taste :). If no English club make it to the final I can still see Taylor officiating the final, because a final without English clubs doesnt happen very often :).
Stuart Burt is also appointed as the reserve assistant referee for the final. https://www.thefa.com/news/2021/oct/08/anthony-taylor-to-referee-uefa-nations-league-final-20210810
ReplyDeleteOT: Clip from U19 Euro qualifiers.
ReplyDeleteYC for SVN13 (SPA) + also for LTU9 (unsporting behaviour). Could have been a RC for VC for the latter?
https://streamable.com/j5w91e
I agree with you, this should have been a RC for VC. But with that decision the referee may have lost match control, as noone was expecting it.
DeleteFor me, RC to be given, clearly intentionally hitting the opponent (frustrated?!). Serious mistake by the refereeing team, especially 4OF should give an advice.
DeleteCorrect YC by Jovanović for a late challenge after having waited for a possible advantage. Good start for the Serbian.
ReplyDelete30': another clear YC issued by the Serbian.
Delete32' Vertonghen with a possible second YC, Jovanović didn't whistle foul, I think that in this situation if he had booked player, the decision would have appearead very harsh, like it was for Karasev game. Maybe it can be assessed as only careless...
DeleteTV announcer said at about 33', "Showing a couple of YCs already to make sure things don't get out of hand." That is definitely the refereeing style I prefer and not trying to "save" one's cards, though one referee once told me, "They have to earn their cards." So, I prefer showing cards consistently when needed, regardless of the time in the game.
ReplyDeleteYeah but now in 40'late foul from Tielemans on Locatelli, not punished.
ReplyDeleteImo, it was quite more obvious YC than previous 2.
I think penalty may be reversed for contact with ball first?
ReplyDeletePenalty by Jovanović: ball but also opponent, correct to support by VAR, however not a clean penalty.
ReplyDeleteHmm I hate making general remarks, but for me Jovanovic has been showing last months he is not a good elite candidate. I dont understand why he has been pushed so much.
ReplyDeleteIn this game, few very debatable decisions, some YC missed and some maybe harsh, then a pk... I dont trust him on the pitch because I dont see enough consistency and management.
The penalty: https://streamja.com/d50qB
ReplyDeleteA player from Belgium was booked because he made a protest throwing ball against referee, but I didn't see it, I think broadcaster missed this scene live.
It was shown live tho, for me strong argument for a Red card there the Belgium player knew exactly what he was doing there and at who he was throwing the ball at, one could say the intensity was high but the trajectory was towards the lower body and not upper, probably what saved him.
DeleteRe: penalty, good of him to see during live play that Belgium defender didn't make contact with ball.
DeleteI read that the Premiere League has tried to "clamp down on soft penalties" this season (https://www.the42.ie/premier-league-19-5513181-Aug2021/), though that has perhaps led to an over reaction in a few instances of deserved penalties not being called, and the same was said at the Euros (https://sportstar.thehindu.com/football/euro/news/euro-2020-rules-soft-penalty-var-check-uefa-referees-association-serie-a-rosetti/article34968689.ece), but has FIFA issued any new interpretations specifically related to fouls inside the penalty box?
ReplyDeleteI really doubt it! The new style has been mostly welcomed in England, just a few coaches from top teams (Klopp and Solskjaer) being afraid for their players safety. I think as long as the style means soft foul=no foul, but bad tackle RC still stays RC, it should be welcomed by everyone.
DeleteOk, thanks. I think it is generally a good thing, too, and was just wondering if it would come to international play, though FIFA will probably instruct referees to do the same at the next World Cup if not before.
DeleteManagement of added time is still a big problem for many referees...again, you can't whistle so early. I really don't understand why it seems to difficult to remember always that.
ReplyDeleteOverall the Serbian had started with a good performance, but after that there were some situations in which he showed indeed a bit of inconsistency. That's the problem when you issue early cards, I must admit.But apart from that, in the middle of the game he didn't look accurate like he was in the first minutes. If we try to understand which approach he adopted for this game, it is indeed difficult to answer. The penalty can be supported, however the first aim for the Serbian is to find more consistency, having a clear line from the start of the game.
ReplyDeleteI see your point about early cards, as similar situations should warrant cards later in a match. As we see different officials (not a Kuipers or a Brych) or even more familiar faces (Cakir) not doing awful by any means but not having perfect matches, either, I think it shows how hard it is to find the balance between having a high line that allows very physical play and still keeping control of the match, and how easy it is to take that great skill for granted in the most elite referees.
DeleteAnother advantage of waiting to give a card is that it gives one more time to read the match and adjust one's line accordingly.
DeleteThis was the most important match for Jovanovic in his FIFA career so far (surely, he felt high pressure). Because of that, the most important for him in this game was to take crucial decisions corectly. He stayed calm in tense moments. We can talk about improvements in management but he made some progress.
DeleteI think he could be satisfied. Crucial decision (penalty for Italy) was correct. It was hard to see, but he saw it in real time.
Assistants were on high level as always.
The very very first time that Belgian gentleman criticized explicitly referee (Serbian Jovanovic) who, according to Martinez, was not at all at the required level during the whole match. Belgian press surprised that for the first time ever, Belgian coach Martinez was so hard on (poor) handling of a referee.
DeletePresenting Taylor as referee of the game, Italian commentator and journalist Stefano Bizzotto, very competent person (he doesn't talk if he doen't have reliable sources, differently from other people), reported that Rosetti made a call conference (I don't know when and I missed that) in which he stated, among other things, that the penalty not whistled by Taylor in first half of Sweden - Spain, a month ago, was a clear situation and VAR had to intervene. Literally, the words reported by Rosetti are: "If we don't intervene here, better if we all go home...". So the situation seems to have been assessed as crucial mistake by VAR as well.
ReplyDeleteThe double standards are actually ridiculous: if this was Italy instead of Spain we probably would have seen Brych today. Is the main reason for this the fact that the leader is Italian (in which case he should be fired immediately) or is the Italian media actually so much worse compared to other nations?
DeleteThe Italian media are really the worst of the world in my opinion about refereeing, nobody can "compete"... this is the problem from which everything starts. And I must agree, committee wouldn't have appointed a referee with a recent mistake against Italy in this final, indeed, as you can see, Taylor was the choice and Taylor was a clean name for Italy.
DeleteHowever, I wouldn't blame Rosetti, what should change is the Italian approach towards referees, you can't belive how much they try to destroy them. Cakir had that OFR in Germany - Romania, the day after La Gazzetta dello Sport wrote about this game, just to write against the Turkish again. In these conditions, believe me, it is impossible to stay inflexible... I don't know what the solution can be, but surely I don't like this situation as well.
Is the media also harsh on national performances of referees? In that case it would be very impressive that Italy has been able to deliver referees of such high quality consistently, as those are for sure not easy and encouraging conditions.
DeleteTo add, indeed now during half time there has been a question made to Tiziano Pieri, former referee working now for RAI, and he was asked about Taylor and the opportunity to appoint him for this game by Rosetti, after the mistake made against Spain one month ago. Pieri answered that Taylor has an excellent pedigree and he absolutely deserves to be there and officiating this game, great answer by a former referee, but, as you can see, normal people, journalist, press, and so on have always this approach regarding refereeing.
DeleteFor sure! A serie A referee must be always ready to "live" his nightmare on newspapers and press the day after a game, especially big matches, in case of controversial decisions. Some referees can't officiate certain clubs in short time after bad games, we had many full lists in past. All teams try always to put pressure. That's something that must change. So, yes, it is not only about international referees, it is a question of mentality.
DeleteIn terms of giving early cards vs. saving one's cards related to Jovanovic's two first half YCs in the last match, if I recall correctly, Kuipers could have quite stern body language or gestures that told players to stop their aggressive fouling, and I think that is an important and underrated alternative to giving cards, when warranted.
ReplyDelete18' missed foul from contact on back of Mbappe's leg, and then pet peeve of mine, gesturing for Mbappe to get up.
ReplyDeleteNow too kuch leniency IMO,Taylor will quickly need to show cards.
ReplyDeleteCheck for a possible penalty for handball, VAR stayed silent and supported Taylor's decision not to whistle (arm in natural position)
ReplyDeleteI agree with the English crew on this one.
32' Penalty maybe?
ReplyDelete"May-be" is the correct word here IMO. Borderline situation, but probably correct from VAR to support.
DeleteIt looked like a PK to me in the first replay. I want to see that again.
DeleteStill no cards by Taylor.
ReplyDelete36' Come on now Taylor, how the hell was that not worthy of showing card?
ReplyDeleteFew missed offsides from both ARs according to replays
ReplyDeleteVery quiet first half with seemingly no decisions of consequence for Taylor to make other than ruling handling incidental inside penalty box.
ReplyDeleteVery far away view in real time of non-handling call: https://youtu.be/wXDd3fCcir0?t=189.
DeleteNow Pogba has even the courage to protest for this card!
ReplyDeleteHe was early for the next tackle
DeleteHe is living on the edge.
DeleteCorrect YC to FRA5 for reckless tackle.
ReplyDeleteNow Taylor seems to have started bookings for all player at the next fouls.
ReplyDelete64 crystal clear YC for foul on Pogba not punished.
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't reckless, it would only have been SPA, but the advantage was played, so I see no need for a yellow, Taylor spot on
DeleteThere was an intention to stop him, so from my point of view, very clear YC.
DeleteThe yellow card would only have been for SPA, playing the advantage means that there can't be a yellow card in law.
DeleteCorrect by Taylor not to give a YC here and not much knowledge of the LotG by french coach.
Delete1-2 looked to be offside, but I think broadcaster showed a wrong frame, because goal has been allowed. Must have been an excellent NO FLAG by AR1 then, waiting for a replay.
ReplyDeleteI think the call by Taylor was no offside because the ball was deliberately played by Spanish defender.
DeleteThat's not why. The defender deliberately played the ball. he touched it when he made the sliding tackle. But still it can be discussed if Mbappe didn't challenge him for the ball before that and should be offside before that deliberate play.
DeleteVery strange, now again showed. I REALLY hope there wasnt a big mistake.
DeleteThat defender's tackle is never ever ever ever a deliberate play. Sorry but imo it should never deemed as deliberate play
DeleteWhy no deliberate play? If you make a tackle to reach ball, you are giving a 100% signal that you want to play it. Impossible to consider it as deflection, but we can discuss about the rule, in this situation, a defender is surely penalized, he can't know that player is in offside, but in that case for him only solution is to allow bal to pass without making any intervention...
DeleteHere is scene about deliberate Play :https://streamable.com/h373j1
DeleteHere you can see that the Spain Player accidentally touched the ball.
Yes clear change of direction of the ball, defender delberately puts leg there, I want to ask again Chris Bramis how you can assess this in a different way? Impossibile, clear deliberate play and so no offside.
DeleteGarcia wouldn't attempt to make this interception if Mbappe wasn't behind him in an offside position.
DeleteSo in effect Garcia is penalised for trying to make that interception, and Mbappe actually profits from being in the offside position due to the failed interception.
I am pretty sure, Garcia would have made the same interception if Mbappe was behind him in an onside position...
DeleteSo Garcia is penalised for not achieving a sufficient clearing with this action - that's in the spirit of the game, I would say.
English language broadcaster showed same frame, so we'll have to see a different replay.
ReplyDeleteI am not sure, but I think that the spanish defender deliberately played the ball before it came no #10FRA
ReplyDeleteTrue, on TV it looked like offside ...
ReplyDeleteTaylor generally in point. Correct YC in 86‘
ReplyDeleteI may be biased but I think that it was offside. Maybe they think that Mbappé was enabled by the touch by ESP12?
ReplyDeleteYes, definitely offside if no defensive touch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJBtGij5Lpw. Really wonderful call to see the defensive touch and allow the goal.
ReplyDeleteIf that goal has been allowed to stand because of the defenders touch then the rule needs changed immediately. You can't penalise a defender for trying to intercept a ball played to an offside player.
ReplyDeleteThe rule is meant to negate offside if it is a pass from a defender, which has merit, and it would be hard to differentiate in some situations whether it was a deflection or a pass, hence the "deliberate play" by the defender language in the rule.
DeleteHe deliberatley played the ball. The attacker didn't commit any offence prior to that. It's the defenders fault. Good goal. Good law.
DeleteThe defender would have left the ball if Mbappe wasn't there. The defender doesn't know Mbappe is offside. He "deliberately" played the ball to stop Mbappe getting it. I can't understand how anyone can think it's ok to "reward" a player who is 1 metre offside and penalise a defender who has kept a good defensive line.
DeleteSo what you are saying is that you don't like the law. Because this situation has happened numurous times and the majority of cases are that the defenders deliberately play the ball because they are stressed by an attacker who is close but not punishable for offside.
DeleteThe referees made a 100% correct decision. It's the law that you don't like.
That's why I said the rule needs changed. I accept the officials got the decision right.
DeleteIf a defender has to do something they wouldn't otherwise do because an offside player is near them, whether they are challenging for the ball or not, the attacker should be flagged for offside. You can't punish a defender for making a mistake, such as last night, when they've made the mistake because the attacker they were attempting to stop was offside.
The fact that the frame with offside position has not been shown means indeed that they assessed a deliberate play by defender with that tackle, and before that, no influence by French player who was close to defender.
ReplyDeleteThat makes sense. But Form me a very strange decision then
DeleteGood job by Taylor who should get more top appointments as a result.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I saw it was a very good performance by the english team, minor issues, but KMI correctly solved on the field without needing the help of VAR
ReplyDeleteMbappe wasnt really close to the defender and wasnt directly fighting for the ball with him. Therefore I think it makes sense what Taylor said, but its true that it wasnt controlled pass so it makes situation "harsh".
ReplyDeleteWhat pass? It has to be a deliberate play. It doesn't have to be a pass. He clearly deliberately played the ball.
Delete*it makes the situation seem harsh.
DeleteBusquets: "the referee told us that Eric Garcia wanted to play the ball and that kills the offside... But he wanted to play the ball because the ball would have reached Mbappe who was offside! It doesn't make sense!"
ReplyDeleteWhy did FIFA change the rule for a new phase of play from "defense team has control of the ball" to "deliberate touch"?
ReplyDeleteFIFA don't change ''rules''. It's laws and that's IFAB. And it's not changed.
DeleteIt's not about a new phase of the play (in the sense of the APP). This would not be restarted by this touch.
DeleteBut the offside law clearly says, that it is not offside, if the attacker gets the ball from a deliberate play by the defender.
And that's nothing new.
Laws of the game -> Goal (and great teamwork)
ReplyDeleteSpirit of the game -> Offside
Yes, I think so too, based on different reactions I have seen on those situations. The rule needs a tweak. Someone on reddit mentioned, that the goalkeeper would have been able to take up the ball (no backpass), maybe the same deliberate pass could be applied for offside.
DeleteRegarding offside, this is deliberare play....regarding pass to own goalkeeper is not deliberate, if the goalkeeper will touch the ball...what do you think?
ReplyDeleteFor offside: The ball needs to be deliberately played, i.e. the player needs to have the intention to play the ball - that's enough.
DeleteFor backpass: The ball needs to be deliberately played to the goalkeeper, i.e. the player needs to have the intention that the GK gets the ball from him.
So the difference is, that any deliberate play is sufficient for offside, but for the backpass it needs to be targeted at the GK.
But generally, a small contact in a sliding movement could also be enough for a backpass, if the defender clearly has the intention to play the ball to his GK.
Yes, you are right. I only try to point on word "deliberate", because, if Garcia will play like this close to the goal, it is deliberate "save" and it is ok...in this situation is deliberate "play",be ause it is not close to the goal.
DeleteIn backpass it is deliberate from every place on the pitch...I think this should be changed in the laws.
Regarding France 2nd goal offside, relevant article with helpful guidelines by Alan Black that explain ‘deliberate play’ and supports Taylor’s team and VAR : https://www.dutchreferee.com/no-offside-because-of-deliberate-play/
ReplyDeleteAnyone else see Deschamps come up to Taylor at the end of game still asking why there was no YC for the foul that Taylor played advantage for in the 64th minute. You could make out what Taylor said to him. "That's the rule"
ReplyDeleteBravo Taylor.
There is no offence to penalise
ReplyDeleteThanks, Tk, for that post above regarding deliberate play at https://www.dutchreferee.com/no-offside-because-of-deliberate-play/. I think the most relevant sentence from it is “A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.” So, it seems IFAB assumes that the player in an offside position gains advantage from 1. the defensive player's deliberate play (or misplay) of the ball, and perhaps 2. the defensive player's not knowing the position of the offside player and thus the play of the ball, though of course it is very difficult to always know the position of another player. It is interesting to debate the fairness of the rule that allowed Mbappe's goal, and the only alternative I could see would be to change the law to read "A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately PASSES the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.” The problem with that is that it is not an offence in itself to be an offside position but rather to gain an advantage from that position or to influence play, I believe. Someone mentioned above that the Spanish defender would not have tried to play the ball if not pressured by Mbappe to do so, but then this comes down to judging intention, which is very difficult to do in some situations and probably the reason that the handling rule's interpretation has increased the scope of the rule so greatly as to almost do away with judging the intention of a player handling the ball and focus more on the position of the ball and the hands and arms.
ReplyDeleteSlow motion look at non-handling call in penalty box: https://youtu.be/SPgVtSlqD9E?t=2.
ReplyDeleteI came back here to talk about the that situation again. For me it is a clear PK and VAR should intervene, what is your oppinion Law5Commenter?
DeleteThe arm is near the body at the time of the cross, but moves out towards the trajectory of the ball. Can it be deemed natural for the movement he is performing?
DeleteThe video is now private, I don't remember exactly the incident.
DeleteAny chance to rewatch it?
Link here: https://juststream.live/WrithesWaysGape
DeleteThanks in my opinion it is a grey area, rather OK to play on because arm can be considered still close to body, then after that there is a small movement, but I think defender can't see ball. I wouldn't give a 100% for a decision, so OK to support no call, but maybe Taylor watching it properly in front of a monitor would have whistled it. Handballs are surelt most difficult topic.
DeleteDo you think the handball would have been more obvious, if the arm of the defender would have been stretched instead of bend? It looks worse IMO if the arm is stretched.
DeleteYes is my answer to your question.
DeleteI always have been and still am 100% pro penalty in such scenarios when a defending player tries to block a pass/shot and his hand makes him bigger. Including this in the LotG would be quite easy to be honest...
DeleteI see that I'm late to the party :D
DeleteHere is the clip in high(er) quality - https://streamable.com/trgxja
Personally, I quite like play on here. Defender turns his back, uses his arms for coordination for, and doesn't try to enlarge his body surface (his arm is flaccid). I would contrast that to the tense arm in Skomina's famous Paris vs. Manchester United, which was correctly penalised IMO.
That being said, I think ESR's vision would be the easiest to interpret and understand for everyone who took the time, however I can say as an Englishman it would be (and was?) very unpopular here(!) amongst football people.
I am curious though - if TURITA handling was assessed as c/o mistake, then I guess Rosetti sees this as (another) missed intervention by Stuart Attwell?
DeleteGood point Mikael, I thought about TURITA aswell! And I also thought that for Italians, this surely must be a handball^^
DeleteHere's why I think that penalty would be correct:
Deletehttps://ibb.co/19qjT5k
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However, Mikael's view can be totally backed here (with the same pictures). Handballs are a very problematic aspect right now, surely things need to change.