Thursday 16 March 2023

Europa League 2022/23 - Referee Appointments - Round of 16 (II)

Second legs of 2022/23 UEFA Europa League Round of 16, referee assignments.


16 March 2023

18:45 CET - Istanbul (Şükrü Saracoğlu Spor Kompleksi)
Fenerbahçe (TUR) - Sevilla FC (ESP)
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Peter Bennett (ENG) 
Fourth Official: Andrew Madley (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: David Coote (ENG) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Ingvarsson (SWE) 
UEFA Delegate: Marcin Stefański (POL)

18:45 CET - Freiburg (Stadion am Wolfswinkel)
SC Freiburg (GER) - Juventus (ITA) 
Referee: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Erwin E. J. Zeinstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Johan Balder (NED)
Fourth Official: Joey Kooij (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Rob Dieperink (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Manuel Díaz Vega (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: David Findlay (SCO)

18:45 CET - Seville (Estadio Benito Villamarín)
Real Betis Balompié (ESP) - Manchester United FC (ENG)
Referee: Srdjan Jovanović (SRB)
Assistant Referee 1: Uroš Stojković (SRB)
Assistant Referee 2: Milan Mihajlović (SRB)
Fourth Official: Novak Simović (SRB)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marinus Koopman (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Fernand Meese (BEL)

18:45 CET - Rotterdam (Stadion Feijenoord 'De Kuip')
Feyenoord (NED) - Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) 
Referee: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Ángel Nevado (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Iker De Francisco (ESP)
Fourth Official: José Luis Munuera (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: César Soto Grado (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Helmut Fleischer (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Dane Jošt (SVN)

21:00 CET - Bruxelles (Anderlecht Stadium)
Union St. Gilloise (BEL) - Union Berlin (GER) 
Referee: José María Sánchez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Raúl Cabañero (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Iñigo Prieto (ESP)
Fourth Official: Pablo González Fuertes (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: José Gonzalez (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR) 
UEFA Delegate: Steen Dahrup (DEN) 

21:00 CET - Budapest (Puskás Aréna)
Ferencvárosi TC (HUN) - Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER)
Referee: Artur Dias (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Paulo Soares (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Pedro Ribeiro (POR)
Fourth Official: António Nobre (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: Tiago Martins (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Luis Godinho (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alain Hamer (LUX) 
UEFA Delegate: Rudolphe Mannaerts (BEL) 

21:00 CET - London (Arsenal Stadium)
Arsenal FC (ENG) - Sporting CP (POR)
Referee: Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP) 
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Del Palomar (ESP)
Fourth Official: Ricardo de Burgos (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ignacio Iglesias Villanueva (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Andreas Schluchter (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Claude Runavot (FRA) 

21:00 CET - Donostia-San Sebastián (Estadio de Anoeta)
Real Sociedad (ESP) - AS Roma (ITA)
Referee: István Kovács (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Vasile Florin Marinescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Mihai Ovidiu Artene (ROU)
Fourth Official: Horațiu Mircea Feșnic (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Sören Storks (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Thomas Einwaller (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Loukas Siotropos (GRE)
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140 comments:

  1. Anonymous14 March 2023 at 10:38

    Where are the Belgium referees

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    1. Peter14 March 2023 at 10:41

      OGC Nice (FRA) - FC Sheriff (MDA)
      Referee: Lawrence Visser (BEL)

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    2. Chefren14 March 2023 at 11:01

      Only Visser possible as he was the referee from Belgium attending the Winter Course. You should know that in this stage of the European cups, you will not see all referees like in group stage.

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    3. fox14 March 2023 at 11:06

      what happend to kruashvili ,he supposed to be in some allready . any idea ?

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  2. Mikael W14 March 2023 at 10:41

    Mateu with Irrati!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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    1. Mikael W14 March 2023 at 10:53

      Btw: Mateu had more 'issues' with VAR in Basel vs. Trabzonspor (you already saw it if you downloaded the clips kindly uploaded for everyone! ;)).

      Gil Manzano (understandably but still in the end rather dubiously IMO) called him to reverse a penalty call and in the end the Spanish WC official agreed. Tricky situation though for both VMO and ref.

      https://files.catbox.moe/tenb49.mp4

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    2. Anonymous14 March 2023 at 10:53

      A referee and big personality (Mateu) well-known for rejecting the VAR advise in front of the monitor and a VAR (Irrati) well-known for staying quiet when nobody understands it. Perfect! :)

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    3. smala01714 March 2023 at 11:02

      What is notable about Lahoz being with Irrati? I am not familiar with this situation.

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    4. matei1414 March 2023 at 12:43

      It is *almost* the same hype that was in September, being paired with Marco Fritz. His performance in tha game was very good. Maybe it is better this way. We have to accept that Irrati deservedly created himself a great reputation as VAR. Very difficult to loose it now, especially when there are so few trusted VARs. But still, I feel we exxagerate a little bit, he hadn't so many clear mistakes. The same should have been talked about van Boekel, I still remeber that Inter-Barcelona missed penalty together with Vincic, at Dumfries. And that was a clear mistake, unlike most of Irrati's incidents.

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    5. Anonymous14 March 2023 at 13:43

      Irrati had his 'odd' moments too, but most of them in rather low-profile games. That's why it's not on top of mind.

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    6. Anonymous14 March 2023 at 14:32

      Irrati- known for controversy with Lahoz- known for controversy. Oh dear

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  3. Anonymous14 March 2023 at 11:48

    For a second week, Oliver without game in England, any info

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    1. Anonymous14 March 2023 at 13:17

      Am wondering also 🤷‍♂️ He is my role model

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    2. Davidcrammond14 March 2023 at 21:15

      Believe he may have come a father. Congratulations if he has. Paternity leave.

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  4. Gozie Joe14 March 2023 at 11:52

    These appointments are really uninspiring to be honest. Elite referees all through even for games that are all but settled. Very poor management to be honest

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    1. Anonymous14 March 2023 at 11:58

      At 2 goals difference, the game definitely is not settled. The only game where where 3 goals difference is Man-United - Betis Sevilla, but it is obvious that you can't risk at this one.
      Frankly, I like the appoinment. Every Elite got at least game, many of them one UCL - one UEL in this 4 weeks, which I find perfectly balanced.

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  5. diego61214 March 2023 at 12:02

    Anyone knows where is Del Cerro Grande?

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  6. matei1414 March 2023 at 12:31

    Standard appointments, and honestly I like them. As Anonymous commented above, they are balnced.
    Given that in the First leg of UEL were assigned Elite only, I think is absolutely justified this to happen also in the Second Leg.
    If let's say, it would have been an already decided game (but it's not) and you wanted to give it to a promising First Category ref, an important oberver was required. But all of them are at a meeting these days. The mebers from Referee Development Panel, the Members from Com and even Rosetti himself are all busy these days.
    In case you didn't notice, no big name at obervers this week. So, why to risk? Full Elite - correct and expected decison.

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  7. Anonymous14 March 2023 at 13:18

    Lahoz with Irrati 💀🤷‍♂️

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  8. Euro Soccer Ref14 March 2023 at 13:45

    Saudi King Cup, Quarter-Finals

    13/03
    Al-Faiha'a Al-Majma'ah - Al-Ittihad Jiddah
    Ivan Kružliak - Branislav Hancko, Ján Pozor SVK - Sami Al-Jaris
    [Michal Očenáš SVK, Ibrahim Ad-Dukhail]

    14/03
    An-Nassr Riyadh - Abha
    Andris Treimanis - Haralds Gudermanis, Aleksejs Spasjonņikovs LVA - Shukri Al-Hanfoush
    [István Vad HUN, Muhammad Ash-Shahri]

    14/03
    Al-Hilal Riyadh - Al-Fatah Al-Mubarraz
    Radu Marian Petrescu - Sebastian Eugen Gheorghe, Mircea Mihail Grigoriu ROU - Abdullah Ash-Shahri
    [Ovidiu Alin Hațegan ROU, Yasir As-Sultan]

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  9. Mr. W14 March 2023 at 16:36

    On Belgian (Flemish) TV there was a documentry where 2 analists took on the rol of VAR in a live match. It's in dutch.
    (Normally available in the EU to watch). Referee of the match: Wesli de Cremer (who I know well because he's my trainer, has ambition to become fifa listed) VAR: Nicolas Laforge (former Fifa listed). The analists: Imke Courtois (former (women's international for Belgium) and Gert Verheyen former (men's) international for Belgium).
    https://www.vrt.be/vrtnu/a-z/var--hoe-moeilijk-kan-het-zijn-/2023/var--hoe-moeilijk-kan-het-zijn--s2023a1/

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    1. Quilava14 March 2023 at 17:09

      I'm afraid it's geoblocked for outside Belgium, at least here in ESP. It requires to 'register and confirm your Belgian identity or residence to watch from abroad'.

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  10. Anonymous14 March 2023 at 17:28

    where is Serdar Gözübüyük's permanent assistant 1? He does get appointments in the Netherlands, so he is not injured. Already replaced several times in a row by Erwin Zeinstra. Anyone information about that?

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    1. Anonymous14 March 2023 at 19:31

      A new international cycle started and changes happen sometimes.

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    2. Anonymous14 March 2023 at 19:59

      I see. Gözübüyük wants Euro and called Zeinstra.

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  11. Abdul16 March 2023 at 11:54


    De burgos Bengoetxea will refree this week elcalssico
    Soto Grado on VAR duty

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  12. Quilava16 March 2023 at 12:05

    De Burgos Bengoetxea will referee the Clásico on Sunday night. Second consecutive for him after the Supercopa final in January.

    Mateu & Del Cerro with two crucial relegation games (Getafe - Sevilla & Cádiz - Almería), expected considering what happened last week in two relegation games (Getafe - Cádiz & Valladolid - Elche)

    There will be another Clásico later this season, the Copa del Rey semifinal 2nd leg (1st leg was handled by Munuera Montero)

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  13. Fintan walker16 March 2023 at 15:35

    going to the emirates this evening, looking forward to see lahoz, my fav ref! arteta defo going to get booked if he acts like he does in the premier league :)

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  14. Marko2316 March 2023 at 19:09

    Pretty clear and obvious red card for SFP missed by Gil Manzano. Can't believe he didn't give it.

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  15. SCOREREF16 March 2023 at 19:15

    Srdjan Jovanović with a joke of a YC in Seville

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  16. Chefren16 March 2023 at 19:17

    A mistake you don't expect from a big name like Zeinstra and VAR intervention in Freiburg to disallow a goal scored. Classic situation in which keeper was not last defender, many players in the box and so confusing for assistant referee, but should have been detected live.

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  17. MH16 March 2023 at 19:30

    3rd scandal penalty against german team. That s a scandal. Please stop playing football.

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    1. anty7516 March 2023 at 19:33

      Penalty is ok by current regulations but second yc for such random handball is incredibly harsh and the match is ruined now. I don't understand it(

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    2. Chefren16 March 2023 at 19:42

      Dutch crew assessed the shot on goal so YC, I think you can't consider this as mistake.

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    3. anty7516 March 2023 at 19:46

      Agree that its more a problem of current rules than ref's mistake(

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  18. MH16 March 2023 at 19:32

    Play football with amputees. Then they still give handball penalty. Pure scandal.

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  19. anty7516 March 2023 at 19:37

    Ok first half from Jovanovic but one big mistake, yc for Pellistri when there was no foul at all, he won the ball cleanly

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  20. Chefren16 March 2023 at 19:41

    Absolutely correct OFR and penalty for handball with YC.
    https://streamin.me/v/e935ab35

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    1. MH16 March 2023 at 19:46

      This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

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    2. matei1416 March 2023 at 19:49

      I fully agree with Chefren. The penalty is beyond any doubt, a pity that it was not saw from the first attempt by Gozubuyuk as he was placed perfect. And YC definitely not a mistake.

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    3. Quilava16 March 2023 at 19:53

      Clear penalty, correct VAR intervention + 2YC.

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    4. Euro Soccer Ref16 March 2023 at 21:02

      Clear penalty, clear (2)YC.

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  21. Unknown16 March 2023 at 19:45

    Could the missed studs-up challenge of Turin’s Locatelli still be considered reckless or do we have a missed serious foul play in Freiburg in first half’s added time (46.)?

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  22. Daniel Bailey16 March 2023 at 19:52

    Correct intervention around 40' by Attwell for a handball and penalty. Other than that a fairly easy half for Oliver

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  23. Quilava16 March 2023 at 19:59

    PK for handball for Feyenoord given by Gil Manzano.

    https://streamin.me/v/4f73f8a9

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  24. Chefren16 March 2023 at 20:04

    Minute 57' I really don't understand what happened in Freiburg. Gozubuyuk entered the penalty area after a confused situation and he was hugged by a German player...

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    1. Unknown16 March 2023 at 20:08

      Freiburg players were furious. I think there was a clear deliberate backpass to Juves goalkeeper, but Gozubuyuk awarded a defensive free kick. I didn’t catch what happened.

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  25. Chefren16 March 2023 at 20:08

    Many lighters thrown by Fenerbahçe fans against Sevilla players in Istanbul. Keeper was hit. UEFA wants to continue, Oliver talked to UEFA delegate. I must say I'm shocked again. Let's wait for something worse to happen when game will be resumed. Sometimes I would like to see something very serious to happen to put UEFA in trouble after their shocking decisions, believe me... but of course I must say let's hope everything will stop here after the announcement made to fans.

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    1. elitebossa16 March 2023 at 23:32

      I don't think the fans could be anything more. The whole tribune overreacted to the hooligan who was throwing material on the field. Oliver gave confidence to the Sevilla players during the match. He did not give a yellow card even when the tension reached its peak and the goalkeeper held the ball for 15-18 seconds.
      If you ask how I know the atmosphere, I was in the tribune where the material was thrown on the field :)

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  26. Mr. W16 March 2023 at 22:13

    In Anderlecht (Union-Union Berlin:) clear missed 2nd YC and no foul wisteld by Sanchez 52' for clear SPA holding. He was doing really well but don't understand this decision at all.

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  27. JD16 March 2023 at 22:13

    Sanches martinez missed a foul and so a clear 2yc for diogo leite in Minute 53.
    German commentators also feel very lucky about that no foul decision

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    1. Mr. W16 March 2023 at 22:18

      Belgian commentator is still referring to it :D 60' and suggesting that VAR should be able to intervene if 2nd YC.

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    2. Unknown16 March 2023 at 22:24

      A missed a SFP in 59’? Strong studs on ankle contact by Haberer only sanctioned with a caution.

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    3. Mr. W16 March 2023 at 22:32

      Possible, but I think red would be a little harsh. Most of foot and studs are on the foot. Small bit studs on ankle. Definetly no OFR neccesary. I think YC is enough here, red is fine too. I'm not convinced let me state it that way hahahaha.

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    4. JD16 March 2023 at 22:34

      I think yc here is at least supportable.
      Contact is too low for a Red card in my opinion. But I Understand your point

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    5. Philipp S16 March 2023 at 22:39

      2nd YC for Haberer now clearly wrong, I think.

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    6. Unknown16 March 2023 at 22:40

      I’m not sure either, but I recognized a nasty twist of the ankle due to the foul.

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  28. JD16 March 2023 at 22:39

    I don't Like this 2yc now.
    Not sure whether it is okay by the book but what can haberer do?
    Haberer ist playing the ball very normal and his opponent has his leg on the Point where haberers leg comes down

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  29. Mr. W16 March 2023 at 22:40

    Wrong 2nd YC? given to Haberer (Union Berlin) 80'. I really don't see how this is reckless. He passes the ball and then hits the knee of Union SG player. No real force.

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    1. Unknown16 March 2023 at 22:46

      For me this is a very poor decision! Haberer plays the ball in a normal way and only hits his opponent because his opponent comes in front of him. Remarkable to see that Diogo Leite was blatantly saved from a 2nd caution after a clear holding and SPA offence and that Haberer is sent off after a normal football action…

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  30. AW16 March 2023 at 22:50

    Lahoz has been exceptional tonight. Back to his old self

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    1. VG16 March 2023 at 23:08

      Disagree. And penalty missed at minute 97.

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    2. AW16 March 2023 at 23:22

      I'm intrigued as to why you think this?

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    3. Elliot16 March 2023 at 23:24

      I mean is there really anyone who expects a penalty there? I would say no

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    4. Chefren17 March 2023 at 10:56

      Please tell me what are the arguments for a penalty here...
      https://streamja.com/QojRa

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  31. Ecosse16 March 2023 at 23:33

    Correct 2nd yc by Lahoz. Would have been better to blow straight away, not much of an advantage and it looked slightly messy

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  32. Elliot16 March 2023 at 23:34

    I'm sorry but I can't stop laughing at Lahoz way of handing out cards, such an unique referee!

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    1. Davidcrammond16 March 2023 at 23:36

      It's the finger wagging for me.

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    2. AW17 March 2023 at 00:11

      It's why we love him :). He's the best to watch when he's on it!

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  33. Chefren17 March 2023 at 08:18

    Deliberate backpass or not?
    https://streamja.com/GGkJJ

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    1. Mr. W17 March 2023 at 13:58

      I think that is really difficult to judge. Even more difficult to spot I think. I would not give that as a backpass. He is lying on the ground, and it is more of a pushing action that an actual pass. Giving it wouldn't be wrong, but it would give you a lot of extra problems.

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  34. Promo17 March 2023 at 08:29

    IMO all those penalties by Oliver, Gozubuyuk & Manzano is okey. But yellow by Gozu little hursh as not a deliberate or intentional attempt.

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    1. Chefren17 March 2023 at 08:47

      A YC for handball offense is given not because deliberate or intentional attempt, but based on the action that the player stopped by hand. In this case it was assessed a shot on goal, you can't deny that. It is true that differently from other situations, one can't say it is 100% shot on goal, but the decision was expected on the pitch and it can be supported. As somebody wrote, in this case one must blame the rules for being so "harsh".

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  35. Chefren17 March 2023 at 08:52

    https://streamja.com/EavV7
    Possible RC for SFP in Gil Manzano game.
    Perfect view on the incident by FO Munuera Montero.
    I think YC is supportable due to the low tackle, but given that it was frontal, very dangerous and with a borderline point of contact, RC would have been definitely better. Nevertheless, the work by VAR looks fully correct to me here, but the mistake can be assigned definitely to referee and FO. One further note: Gil Manzano immediately with the card, without waiting that short time very often useful for an assessment. I think no confrontation with FO, he was immediately sure YC was enough, could have gone differently with a bit (even one second more) delayed decision by referee.

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  36. Chefren17 March 2023 at 09:44

    The wrong YC by Jovanovic:
    https://streamja.com/60VRb
    He was clearly deceived and he thought about a reckless challenge.
    It can happen... not good that this was the only card of the game so it becomes a bigger point for discussion for him.

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  37. Chefren17 March 2023 at 10:19

    Sánchez Martínez:

    53' missed foul and second YC for SPA
    Live https://streamja.com/JVlRQ
    Replay https://streamja.com/g1dNZ

    59' possible RC for SFP
    https://streamja.com/NBKRb

    80' Second YC for reckless challenge
    https://streamin.me/v/8c1511b4

    I think 53' clear YC for SPA, but referee didn't assess it as foul so we know the reason of his choice. I think AR could have cooperated because it was evident that attacker had been impeded from reaching ball. The argument "not enough" for whistling was not valid here.
    In 59' I think one can call the challenge as something more than a step on foot, but I agree with comments above, still OK by VAR to support. RC would have been backed as well and maybe for some aspects better decision. I also want to add that live it never looked like RC, only the replay helps us, that's another argument.
    In 80', I think he saw this contact with opponent's knee after having played ball and he booked. Strictly by book, you can't say 100% mistake, but in reality I think this was a too particular decision, focusing on a detail for making the assessment. Extremely harsh, quite sure UEFA will say wrong, but the arguments by the Spanish for giving it seem to be clear.

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    1. Mr. W17 March 2023 at 13:22

      I agree with all your comments. Question: Do you think in 53' he took the decision to not give the foul because he knew it would have to be 2nd YC. (And it was only 2-0 and early in second half. Knowing in previous game Berlin came back to draw.)

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    2. Chefren17 March 2023 at 17:28

      Of course that's not my wish! I sincerely hope he just thought it wasn't foul without thinking that he would have had to issue a second YC in case of whistle.

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  38. nikart17 March 2023 at 10:50

    Superleague Greece - Play Off - MD1
    AEK - Panathinaikos
    Referee: Nikola Dabanovic
    AR1: Vladan Todorovic
    AR2: Srdjan Jovanovic
    4th: Anastasios Sidiropoulos
    VAR: Bruno Esteves
    AVAR: Andreas Meintanas

    Aris - PAOK
    Referee: Mohammed Al-Hakim
    AR1: Fredrik Klyver
    AR2: Robin Wilde
    4th: Vasilios Fotias
    VAR: Juxhin Xhaja
    AVAR: Michael Papadakis

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  39. Chefren17 March 2023 at 11:24

    When the good luck helps you.
    Making such extremely blatant advantage gestures in the midfield and then a few second later a goal is scored in this way.. it is excellent for a referee!
    https://dubz.co/video/1ed09b

    The second YC:
    https://streamja.com/VbzJX
    Technically a mistake to give advantage because it wasn't an OGSO.
    I think that Mateu wanted to see a goal scored on the counterattack and then making an outstanding call :D but this time it didn't happen.
    Correct decision at the end but dangerous to act in this way.

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    1. Chefren17 March 2023 at 11:26

      Unless he didn't remember / immediately notice that player was already booked and this is a possible explanation, maybe he realized only later that the YC to be issued was the second for the player involved.

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    2. Mr. W17 March 2023 at 13:25

      Isn't it the task of the FO to inform him of that?

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    3. M17 March 2023 at 14:29

      Only Mateu can make refeereing that entertaining.

      What a great personality.

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  40. RefSoccer341217 March 2023 at 12:23

    UCL Quarter Final

    Real Madrid - Chelsea
    Benfica Lissabon - Internazionale Milano
    Manchester City - Bayern Munich
    AC Milan - SSC Napoli

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    1. Anonymous17 March 2023 at 12:38

      All games will need top Elites.

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  41. Altess17 March 2023 at 13:54

    Predictions for the rest of UCL:

    Milano - Napoli (FL) : Manzano
    Napoli - Milano (SL): Jovanovic
    Inter - Benfica (FL): Oliver
    Benfica - Inter (SL): Lahoz
    SF1 FL: Vincic
    SF1 SL: Taylor

    Manchester City - Bayern (FL): Kovacs
    Bayern - Manchester City (SL) : Makkelie
    Real - Chelsea (FL): Schärer
    Chelsea - Real (SL) : Marciniak
    SF2 FL: Orsato/Turpin
    SF2 SL: Turpin/Orsato

    Final : Makkelie/Marciniak

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    1. EnglandREF17 March 2023 at 16:22

      Milan vs Napoli- Taylor
      Napoli vs Milan- Maciniak

      Inter vs Benfica- Oliver
      Benfica vs Inter- Lahoz

      Man City vs Bayern- Kovacs
      Bayern vs City- Makkelie

      Real vs Chelsea- Scharer
      Chelsea vs Real- Turpin

      SF1 FL: Taylor
      SF2 FL: Orsato

      SF1 SL: Turpin
      SF2 SL: Marciniak/ Makkelie

      Final: Marciniak/ Makkelie/ Taylor

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  42. Anonymous17 March 2023 at 14:01

    Semi final 1
    Real Madrid / Chelsea – Man City / Bayern
    Semi final 2
    Milan / Napoli – Inter / Benfica

    Management of Orsato and English refs is interesting:

    - Daniele Orsato: had Bayern in the previous round and is not possible in Semi2. Committee can appoint him to:
    1. Real Madrid-Chelsea QF. However this could rule him out for a semi final?
    2. Save him for semi final 1. In that case a first leg, due to the Italian team in the other semi.

    - Michael Oliver: limited options available, unless he is trusted to officiate an Italian team.
    - Anthony Taylor: limited options available, already officiated Napoli in R16.
    - Inter-Benfica to Taylor or Oliver?

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    1. Mr. W17 March 2023 at 14:09

      Why would Oliver not be trusted for Italian team? I understand Juventus History with Buffon. But thats long time ago and Juventus is not in CL.

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    2. Anonymous17 March 2023 at 14:22

      Oliver can work on Inter-Benfica. But I doubt we will see both English in the QF, with just 8 games to be 'divided'.

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    3. EnglandREF17 March 2023 at 16:00

      Last year Kovacs had Man City vs Athletico in QF and then Man City vs Real in the SF. So Taylor will be used on Milan vs Napoli and Oliver on Inter vs Benefica.

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  43. Philipp S17 March 2023 at 16:40

    My CL predictions
    Benfica-Inter: Gil Manzano / Kovacs
    ManCity-Bayern: Makkelie / Turpin
    Real-Chelsea: Jovanovic / Soares Dias
    Milan-Napoli: Oliver / Mateu

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    1. Philipp S17 March 2023 at 17:01

      EL
      ManUnited-Sevilla: Zwayer / Schärer
      Juventus-Sporting: Meler / Marciniak
      Leverkusen-SaintGilloise: Letexier / Kruzliak
      Feyenoord-Roma: Grinfeeld / Siebert

      ECL:
      Lech-Fiorentina: Collum / Sanchez
      Gent-WestHam: Gözübüyük / Orsato
      Anderlecht-Alkmaar: Vincic / Taylor
      Basel-Nice: del Cerro Grande / Massa

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  44. jleekens17 March 2023 at 17:12

    Could we see some referees who are considered controversial in Italy in the all-Italian tie? If we take Oliver as an example, his name would lead to controversy if he was appointed for a clash in which one of the teams was Italian. With both teams being Italian, it is a great way for some referees to improve their reputation (same with Lahoz and Siebert, although Siebert is unlikely for other reasons)

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    1. Philipp S17 March 2023 at 17:36

      Yes, if a referee is stupidly considered as "Anti-Italian", it would be a good opportunity to use him in Milan-Napoli. I mean, he can't be seen as "biased" then, can he?

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  45. HH17 March 2023 at 17:37

    Predictions
    Benfica-Inter: Jovanovic/ Oliver
    ManCity-Bayern: Mateu Lahoz/ Makkelie
    Real-Chelsea: Schaerer/ Halil Umut Meler
    Milan-Napoli: Kovacs/ Marchinak

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  46. Chefren17 March 2023 at 17:52

    Absolutely the best occasion to appoint Oliver for not one but two Italian teams at this stage of the competition and to show that he can handle such games. I see him for first leg in Milan, Milan - Napoli.
    Orsato should officiate either Bayern again or Real Madrid, both games are possible.

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  47. matei1417 March 2023 at 21:13

    My predictions:
    Benfica-Inter: Zwayer/Makkelie
    ManCity-Bayern: Kovacs/Turpin
    Real-Chelsea: Marciniak/Orsato
    Milan-Napoli: Gil Manzano/Taylor

    I think when Oliver will make his "debut" with Italian teams again, it will be in a group-stage game, not QF. But still, I would choose Taylor ahead of him. Orsato has only one option Real Madrid-Chelsea, I think of him for the second leg as I see Marciniak's last game before the final, like Turpin last season. In my opinion, Zwayer deserve another KO game after his good performance on Beranabeu. The rest of my choices come natural, I don't think it need additional expalanations.

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    1. Philipp S17 March 2023 at 21:32

      Oliver already has his "debut" with Italian teams in R16 2019/20 (Atalanta-Valencia) - followed by Lazio-Zenit in the following group stage.
      But maybe he will indeed be unlucky again due to English and Italian teams in all remaining games.
      Taylor already had Napoli in R16 (which of course doesn't rule him out completely), but otherwise your predictions look good to me.

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    2. matei1417 March 2023 at 21:52

      Totally forgot about these games of Oliver, it has been a while since then, thank you for reminder.
      About Taylor and Napoli, I would not rule out him for Napoli again (in contrast with Orsato and Bayern because of the high profile clash with Paris). Anyway he can be easily be swapped in my predictions with Makkelie. As a coincidence, these two second legs appointments were the last I wrote when I made the predictions. I chosed thinking of which of these two games is more suitable for each one considering their style.

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  48. matei1417 March 2023 at 21:18

    For those interested:


    https://www.frf.ro/top-news/video-roberto-rosetti-seful-arbitrilor-la-uefa-arbitrajul-romanesc-ne-ofera-calitatea-pe-care-o-dorim/


    short footage and photos from the latest workshop for referees observers. Maybe someone spot something interesting.
    And an interview with Rosetti.

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  49. Mohamed rabie17 March 2023 at 22:45

    My predictions ucl qf : - real Madrid vs Chelsea ( orsato - Turpin ) / Manchester city vs Bayern Munich ( Kovacs - makkiele ) / ac Milan vs Napoli ( Oliver - marciniak ) / benfica vs inter Milan ( Taylor - manzano )

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  50. Keyser Soze17 March 2023 at 23:36

    What do you think about the VAR intervention for offside in Nottingham - Newcastle, was Newcastle's goal correctly disallowed?

    https://sbbrisk.com/vx7eosoq96dq.html
    (skip to min 11:50)
    Ref: Paul Tierney
    VAR: Peter Bankes

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    1. AAR118 March 2023 at 01:05

      IMO deliberate play and not offside

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    2. Mr. W18 March 2023 at 02:41

      I think, following all rules, they got it right. Defender is not expecting the ball, and plays it unluckly. Is not in control, so no deliberate play.
      I'm just not a fan of it. We as referees are always told: "Think about what football wants and expects". I don't think any fan wants this to be given offside. Nobody noticed it, and I don't believe they made a clear and obvious error. Yes it's offside, but not factual so I expect it to be evaluated on C&O-Error.

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    3. Florian18 March 2023 at 10:28

      For me, this is a clear example of a non-controlled play. The defender is blocking the pass, the ball is fast and bounces just in front of the defender. He is not in a full body control. No element to support play-on in regards to last year instructions. Correct intervention.

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  51. Philipp S18 March 2023 at 08:49

    Predictions for EURO qualifiers
    SCO-CYP: Sabotic (LUX) ESP-NOR: Letexier (FRA)
    GEO-NOR: Obrenovic (SVN) SCO-ESP: Sidiropoulos (GRE)

    FRA-NED: Vincic (SVN) GIB-GRE: Schnyder (SUI)
    NED-GIB: Vad (HUN) IRL-FRA: Glova (SVK)

    ITA-ENG: Makkelie (NED) MKD-MLT: do Nascimento (AND)
    ENG-UKR: del Cerro Grande (ESP) MLT-ITA: Weinberger (AUT)

    ARM-TUR: Mariani (ITA) CRO-WAL: Kovacs (ROU)
    TUR-CRO: Kehlet (DEN) WAL-LVA: Gishamer (AUT)

    CZE-POL: Taylor (ENG) MDA-FAR: Robinson (NIR)
    MDA-CZE: Martins (POR) POL-ALB: Schärer (SUI)

    AUT-AZE: Strukan (CRO) SWE-BEL: Bastien (FRA)
    AUT-EST: Stojchevski (MKD) SWE-AZE: Reinshreiber (ISR)

    BUL-MNE: Frankowski (POL) SRB-LTU: Viljanen (FIN)
    HUN-BUL: Al Hakim (SWE) MNE-SRB: Siebert (GER)

    KAZ-SVN: de Burgos (ESP) DEN-FIN: Meler (TÜR) SMR-NIR: Papapetrou (GRE)
    KAZ-DEN: di Bello (ITA) SVN-SMR: Xhaja (ALB) NIR-FIN: Klima (CZE)

    BLR-SUI: Raczkowski (POL) ISR-KOS: Schüttengruber (AUT) AND-ROU: Pandzic (SWE)
    KOS-AND: Kamphuis (NED) ROU-BLR: Verboomen (BEL) SUI-ISR: Zwayer (GER)

    BIH-ISL: Orsato (ITA) POR-LIE: Frid (ISR) SVK-LUX: Krogh (DEN)
    LIE-ISL: Kastrati (KOS) LUX-POR: Tohver (EST) SVK-BIH: Harvey (IRL)

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  52. Euro Soccer Ref18 March 2023 at 13:48

    CYP

    Friday 17 March 2023

    18:00 APOEL - Páfos FC
    Mario Melero López ESP - Michális Sotiríou, Pétros Pétrou - Thomás Chatzivasilíou
    [Hugo Miguel POR, Ómiros Tziortzís]

    Saturday 18 March 2023

    16:00 Apóllon Lemesoú - Omónia Lefkosías
    Chrysovalándis Theoulí - Ómiros Tziortzís, Andréas Andréou - Ioánnis Christodoúlou
    [Hugo Miguel POR, Michális Sotiríou]

    Sunday 19 March 2023

    16:00 Olymbiakós Lefkosías - Anórthosis Ammochóstou
    Kyriákos Athanasíou - Ioánnis Lazárou, Lámbros Lámbrou - Ioánnis Christodoúlou
    [Hugo Miguel POR, Xénia Irodótou]

    Monday 20 March 2023

    16:00 Áris Lemesoú - AEK Lárnakas
    Ivan Bebek - Kruno Šarić, Ivan Janić CRO - Panagiótis Chatzigeorgíou
    [Dario Bel CRO, Ioánnis Lazárou]


    CRO

    Sunday 19 March 2023

    17:30 Dinamo Zagreb - Rijeka
    Menélaos Andoníou - Kyriákos Sokrátous, Iraklís Komodrómos CYP - Patrik Kolarić
    [Robértos Kósta, Evagóras Evagórou CYP]


    KSA

    Saturday 18 March 2023

    14:00 Al-Fatah - Al-Ittihad Jiddah
    Andreas Matonte - Nicolás Tarán, Martín Soppi URU - Muhammad Al-Harbi
    [Leodán González URU, Hisham Ar-Rifa'ai]

    18:30 An-Nassr Riyadh - Abha
    Fernando Rapallini - Juan Pablo Belatti, Cristian Navarro ARG - Muhammad Al-Buraidi
    [Hernán Mastrángelo ARG, Faisal Al-Qahtani]

    18:30 Al-Hilal Riyadh - Al-Ittifaq Ad-Dammam
    Daniele Orsato - Alessandro Giallatini, Ciro Carbone ITA - Abdullah Al-Harbi
    [Marco Guida ITA, Umar Al-Jamal]

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  53. Quilava18 March 2023 at 13:50

    OT: U17 Euro Elite Round referees (updated, thanks to ESR & GO_REF)

    Group 1 (SRB, BIH, ISR, BLR):
    Stefan Ebner (AUT, AR Roland Brandner)
    Mikkel Redder (DEN, AR René Risum)
    Jérémy Muller (LUX, AR Rafael Morim)
    Host FO: Dejan Trifković (SRB, AR Marko Djuričić)

    Group 2 (WAL, SCO, ISL, MNE):
    Pierre Gaillouste (FRA, AR Valentin Evrard)
    Radoslav Gidzhenov (BUL, AR Hristo Hadzhiyski)
    Dominik Starý (CZE, AR Petr Caletka)
    Host FO: Alex Mcinch (WAL, AR Cilan Aeron Thomas)

    Group 3 (NED, ENG, DEN, NIR)
    Roman Jitari (MDA, AR Vlad Lifciu)
    Jovan Kachevski (MKD, AR Branko Putilin)
    Patrik Kolarić (CRO, AR Ivan Starčević)
    Host FO: Martijn Vos (NED, AR Stefan de Groot)

    Group 4 (TUR, ESP, GER, FIN)
    Jóhan Hendrik Ellefsen (FRO, AR Jørleif Djurhuus)
    Lothar d'Hondt (BEL, AR Romain Devilliers)
    Jarred Gillett (ENG, AR James Mainwaring)
    Host FO: Zorbay Küçük (TUR, AR Furkan Ürün)

    Group 5 (POR, POL, CZE, SVK)
    Antoine Paul Chiaramonti (AND, AR Andreu Vilanova Simarro)
    Menelaos Antoniou (CYP, AR Iraklis Komodromos)
    Mervan Bejtullahu (KOS, AR Fatmir Sekiraqa)
    Host FO: Hélder Carvalho (POR, AR Luís Costa)

    Group 6 (CYP, ITA, IRL, UKR):
    Jasper Vergoote (BEL, AR Michael Geerolf)
    Antoni Bandić (BIH, AR Amer Macić)
    Mohammad Aslam (NOR, AR Aleksander Jæger)
    Host FO: Kyriakos Athanasiou (CYP, AR Iraklis Komodromos)

    Group 7 (NOR, CRO, BEL, SVN)
    Marek Radina (CZE, AR Martin Leska)
    Kyriakos Athanasiou (CYP, AR Pavlos Georgiou)
    Edgars Malcevs (LAT, AR Martins Svipsts)
    Host FO: Marius Lien (NOR, AR Christer Jørgensen)

    Group 8 (ALB, FRA, SUI, LAT)
    David Dickinson (SCO, AR Ross Macleod)
    Oliver Reitala (FIN, AR Olli Jantunen)
    Sivert Amland (NOR, AR Alf-Olav Rossland)
    Host FO: Daniel Vrapi (ALB, AR Elvis Gjoka)

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  54. Hans18 March 2023 at 17:30

    Their is not a country so hesistant with handball penaltys as the Netherlands. Example 37

    https://twitter.com/DijkmanLeon/status/1637127777353711621?t=6ApGFnJKyP7j7ZgcRI1Qcg&s=19

    After VAR intervention decision NO penalty

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  55. Flip18 March 2023 at 23:31

    Germany:
    I've got two interesting scenes from today's Bundesliga match Borussia Dortmund vs. 1.FC Köln, handled by Daniel Siebert [VAR: Pascal Müller].

    1) Penalty (handball)? not given, no VAR intervention
    https://files.catbox.moe/kp49hf.mp4

    2) Violent Conduct? YC given, no VAR intervention
    https://files.catbox.moe/hwl9jp.mp4

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    1. vadim19 March 2023 at 06:14

      1) IMO, there is a deflection from the head, therefore short distance, definitely the arguments for the no penalty in this situation.
      2) I personally prefer YC there, I think it is reckless foul, no more. But I also understand, that there could be arguments for VC too.

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  56. Florian19 March 2023 at 09:34

    What has changed in regards to handballs this week?
    I will give my opinions.
    Vincic correctly awarded the handball in Manchester - a clear touch to the defender's right hand in unnatural position. It's not important how hard the arm was hit. Based on clear UEFA instructions I can't imagine any (elite) referee not giving a penalty for that.
    Next, handball in Madrid. I fully understand Fritz calling Zwayer to OFR. AFAIK, UEFA instructions were always: deflection doesn't matter. The only element NOT to give a penalty for handball is if a player plays the ball to his hand. Look at how high was the defender's arm just after the deflection:
    https://ibb.co/kBcwY90
    I understand this is not something football wants. But Fritz was just following UEFA guidelines. It was a deflection, arm in unnatural position. Speed and direction of the ball doesn't matter.
    So please stop killing the referees for following the instructions they received.
    And after that, two incidents posted above - one from Dutch league, one from German Bundesliga. So nothing regards handball is a penalty anymore now?

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    1. Euro Soccer Ref19 March 2023 at 10:33

      Yes, in UEFA that the ball deflects from another part of the body doesn't matter (contrary to deliberately playing the ball onto an own arm - always play-on) - penalty still to be given if the arm position is deemed unnatural.

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    2. Philipp S19 March 2023 at 23:17

      Yes, one should not criticize the referees, but UEFA for giving these instructions, which are quite far away from the wording in Law 12, where unnatural arm positions are defined in a much more lenient way.
      Some of the recent handball decisions simply aren't in the spirit of the game. If the defender doesn't even act carelessly, but the handball is purely accidental, a penalty doesn't feel right for most spectators and probably for most players as well.
      While it indeed provides less grey areas, I don't believe it makes the stakeholders of the game happy. Especially if those decisions after more or less random events keep deciding important games.
      And on the VAR aspect: Even if the situation is clear based on UEFA instructions, you still have the "obvious" aspect. If nobody on the field or in the stadium expects a penalty, it's not really the original purpose of VAR to act as detective and find some offences, which are only detectable in slow-motion.
      VAR should remove all mistakes, where nearly everyone thinks and understands, that the referee was wrong. Some of the recent interventions don't even remotely meet this condition.
      So while everything might be correct in UEFA's eyes, there is certainly some justified criticism among people, who watch the games.
      And after all, the referees still have the final responsibility to decide according to the "spirit of the game" as Law 5 says.

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    3. ref20 March 2023 at 11:21

      +1 Philipp S

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  57. diego61219 March 2023 at 16:01

    Doing a quick analysis of the upcoming finals, I expect something like this:
    Final Champions:
    Ref: Marciniak
    4th: Kovacs

    Europa League Final:
    Ref: Jovanovic
    4th: Kruzliak

    Conference Final League:
    Ref: Schärer
    4th: Umut Meler

    Nations League Finals
    NED-CRO: Vincic
    SP-ITA: Oliver
    *3rd Place*: Kruzliak
    *Final*: Kovacs

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    1. diego61219 March 2023 at 16:07

      And I forgot to mention something, if there are no Spanish teams in the Europa League final, I would appoint Del Cerro Grande as referee.
      He has done a lot and received very little, besides, it would be a "farewell" due to his age (just like Undiano Mallenco in the Nations League Finals in 2019)

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  58. matei1419 March 2023 at 21:18

    Intersting, no handball at Rabiot? I am not sure, I think it touched also Vlahovic's hand. But at Rabiot ...
    It's Inter-Juventus but I imagine that most of you watch El Clasico.

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    1. Chefren19 March 2023 at 21:42

      Always such particular situations in Inter - Juventus, it is a written rule! Really sorry for Chiffi, nothing is clear here.
      Big discussions have started, if this goal will be crucial in the final score, we will have I think something like a new 2018 case for this game...

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  59. Mikael W19 March 2023 at 21:51

    Dramatic events for Christopher Kavanagh at Manchester United vs. Fulham today...

    https://streamable.com/ikki02

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    2. Jackson20 March 2023 at 06:32

      I hope Mitrovic gets a long ban. Referees need to be protected.

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    3. Philipp S20 March 2023 at 10:25

      IMO it's understandable not to be sure about the penalty in live speed. It's one thing to detect the arm contact, but you also need it to be deliberate or an unnaturally bigger body.
      And both conditions are not that clear IMO. I mean, surely the intention of the player was to block the ball with his torso. Then there is some arm movement towards the ball, but rather small and not really obvious. And the arm is not too far away from the body (it just increases his surface due to the angle) and might be justified by his running movement.
      You can't just make it simple and say, it has to be a penalty, because the arm prevents a goal.
      In the end and with the replays, I also think, the arguments for a penalty are stronger and it is therefore the right decision.
      But as I said, not that clear for me.
      And if Kavanagh had seen all neccessary details, I would actually have preferred no intervention, because it isn't clear and obvious (but possibly a missed incident).

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    4. Chefren20 March 2023 at 13:27

      Solidarity to Kavanagh for the reaction against him.
      Having said that, very clear penalty thank to replay, but impossible to be sure live, too quick and the defender with a particular movement that couldn't help referee for making an assessment. At least this time a very correct use of VAR in England, but mostly because very evident situation.

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  60. Achilleas20 March 2023 at 08:22

    Look at the yesterday performance Dabanovic in AEK-PANATHINAIKOS. In 99' he has given penalty and after communication with VAR (probably) he changed his mind without checking the VAR and he gives offensive foul.

    https://youtu.be/S5DFbr2QVm0 (Full highlights)

    Sorry for my English

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    1. Chefren20 March 2023 at 13:22

      The video doesn't work, I think it is valid only in Greece.

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  61. Chefren20 March 2023 at 13:21

    In the first case, I think you can be deceived, but for me the touch from behind is soft. In normal conditions, maybe not a clear ane obvious mistake, but once whistled simulation, it is indeed difficult to support it.
    Second case: I think you can never give YC for simulation live, you clearly see that there is a contact by defender with attacker. This was a very poor decision, while the previous more undestandable as mistake.

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  62. Achilleas20 March 2023 at 14:40

    About the yesterday poor Dabanovic 's oerformance n AEK-PANATHINAIKOS.

    In 99' he has given penalty and after communication with VAR (probably, we don't know), he changed his mind without checking the VAR (!!!) and he gives offensive foul. The joke is that the explanation he gave at AEK's players is that he never gave penalty!!! Unbelievable!

    The controversial penalty at 99'
    https://streamable.com/gx16x6

    Also a controversial penalty at 1st half, which not given for a Hajisafi's handball
    https://streamable.com/gxptly

    I would read your opinion and your comments about that!
    Greetings from Greece to the best page fore referees!

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  63. usaref20 March 2023 at 15:50

    He's done enough to knock his boot off his heel in the first case. I don't think you can classify that as "soft." Difficult to discern, yes. But that's a very consequential foul in the grand scheme of things and the attempted challenge is nowhere near the ball. Great and necessary use of VAR there.

    The second one is interesting for a few reasons. One, on a borderline play like that I am simply not giving simulation a second time to the same player after I was wrong once. Maybe that means Stieler has more guts than me... or maybe not. But to the actual decision, he is VERY lucky the contact was actually inside the penalty area. Because if it wasn't, he was stuck. And that was extremely close.

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