EURO 2024 Qualifiers, referee assignments for Matchday 10, set 2, games to be played on 20 November 2023.
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| Sandro Schärer SUI back in UEFA competitions after a long time |
Monday 20 November 2023
20:45 CET - Leverkusen, GER (BayArena)
UKRAINE - ITALY | Group C
Referee: Jesús Gil Manzano ESP
Assistant Referee 1: Diego Barbero Sevilla ESP
Assistant Referee 2: Ángel Nevado Rodríguez ESP
Fourth Official: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández ESP
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera ESP
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande ESP
UEFA Referee Observer: Michal Beneš CZE
UEFA Delegate: Gary O’Hagan SCO
20:45 CET - Skopje (Nacionalna Arena “Todor Proeski”)
NORTH MACEDONIA - ENGLAND | Group C
Referee: Filip Glova SVK
Assistant Referee 1: Daniel Poláček SVK
Assistant Referee 2: Peter Bednár SVK
Fourth Official: Boris Marhefka SVK
Video Assistant Referee: Michal Očenáš SVK
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Pskit POL
UEFA Referee Observer: Clayton Pisani MLT
UEFA Delegate: Kris Bellon BEL
20:45 CET - Olomouc (Andrův stadion)
CZECHIA - MOLDOVA | Group E
Referee: Sandro Schärer SUI
Assistant Referee 1: Stéphane De Almeida SUI
Assistant Referee 2: Bekim Zogaj SUI
Fourth Official: Johannes von Mandach SUI
Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani ITA
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Lukas Fähndrich SUI
UEFA Referee Observer: Lassin Isaksen FRO
UEFA Delegate: Knut Bjørn Nordheim NOR
20:45 CET - Tirana (Air Albania Stadium)
ALBANIA - FAROE ISLANDS | Group E
Referee: Sven Jablonski GER
Assistant Referee 1: Lasse Koslowski GER
Assistant Referee 2: Eduard Beitinger GER
Fourth Official: Frank Willenborg GER
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert GER
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Benjamin Brand GER
UEFA Referee Observer: Kostadin Gerginov BUL
UEFA Delegate: Amil Gerina MNE
20:45 CET - Belfast (National Football Stadium at Windsor Park)
NORTHERN IRELAND - DENMARK | Group H
Referee: Jérôme Brisard FRA
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos FRA
Assistant Referee 2: Aurélien Drouet FRA
Fourth Official: Ruddy Buquet FRA
Video Assistant Referee: Éric Wattellier FRA
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: François Letexier FRA
UEFA Referee Observer: Nuno Alexandre Parreira de Castro POR
UEFA Delegate: Eugène Westerink NED
20:45 CET - Ljubljana (Stadion Stožice)
SLOVENIA - KAZAKHSTAN | Group H
Referee: Szymon Marciniak POL
Assistant Referee 1: Paweł Sokolnicki POL
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Kupsik POL
Fourth Official: Paweł Raczkowski POL
Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski POL
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bartosz Frankowski POL
UEFA Referee Observer: Kóstas Kapitanís CYP
UEFA Delegate: Jiří Novák CZE
20:45 CET - Serravalle (San Marino Stadium)
SAN MARINO - FINLAND | Group H
Referee: Manfredas Lukjančukas LTU
Assistant Referee 1: Mangirdas Mirauskas LTU
Assistant Referee 2: Aleksandras Stepanovas LTU
Fourth Official: Mindaugas Jackus LTU
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis NED
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Erwin Blank NED
UEFA Referee Observer: Pavel Salii KAZ
UEFA Delegate: Thura Win ENG
Extremely big appointment for Jesús Gil Manzano.
ReplyDeleteTo follow, as somebody expected, Marciniak will referee Slovenia (predicted by Mikael).
Schärer back in UEFA competition and the question is: still in time for EURO 2024? Will this long absence play a role about his chances to be selected? Before thje injury, he was doing quite well. Let's see. I think in case of good performances, he will immediately assigned to big games, but mostly for KO stage, as group stage is almost over.
I am not that much surprised about Gil Manzano's appointment: I followed the discussions concerning the internal ranking as well as prospective candidates for the EURO and the UCL final next year and already missed the Spaniard in these lists. A referee who handled the Milanese derby last season and who was invited to the Copa America seems to enjoy a certain reputation within UEFA/FIFA although some users might not be convinced by all of his recent decisions.
DeleteJust to clarify my opinion about the appointment for the Spanish: not fully unexpected, now he is clearly seen as more than a regular Elite referee, and he has gained big credit, but indeed I must admit I didn't still see him at this level, meaning that this is an appointment among the Top 5 elite referees. Of course committee couldn't use always the same names so something new was expected. I would say the most important appointment for Gil Manzano in his UEFA career so far.
DeleteIt is also important to remember that after the troubles between Taylor and Italian clubs, we have now both the big English referees who can't handle Italian national team and I think this was another reason for which they had to make this big choice for Gil Manzano.
It is without a doubt that Gil Manzano is well placed in UEFA internal ranking. And deservedely so, I like him as referee. In fact I remember that I predicted his rose in appointments after the WC, he was among my predictions for UCL KO despite many people blindly keeing predicting Lahoz. I was sure of the sudden changing about Spain Nr.1. The problem that bother us is that Gil Manzano doesn't apply the instruction given by UEFA in recent times and still gets top games. He had 2 games in UCL group of death. Overall he did a good job but it was clear that he ignored the instructions, especially the ones about dissent. Now he gets the most important games of thos International break. And he probably will do well but his approach will not be very helpful for the general image about refereeing among spectators.
DeleteIs anyone really going to have the ability to recognize that Gil Manzano has been flawless for 2 seasons? One day, he will be the referee of the Champions League final and someone will say: he was appointed because there was no other. I think he's the referee you give the worst credit to, and obviously for no reason at all.
DeleteNot flawless. Maybe, only maybe, The Top 3: Marciniak, Turpin and Orsato could be part of this discussion. But everyone had also a less great day.
DeleteImpeccable. Last season in UCL was elite. And if you don't see that, you don't know much about arbitrage.
DeleteAt the latest with this appointment, Gil Manzano should be considered as Top5 UEFA referee.
DeleteI think, there is nobody except Marciniak, Orsato and Turpin, who is clearly above him.
And then Gil Manzano belongs to the next level with Kovacs, Makkelie, Oliver, Taylor, Vincic, Zwayer - and you could argue, he received the best appointments recently among those.
Last season, Gil Manzano was great and deservedly assigned to a semi final. A very quick rise. I would not add him to the pool of referees that have a chance to get the 2024 UCL final though:
Delete- Still quite young and just 1 season in the very top of Elite
- He was assigned to first legs, whereas the most trusted referees got the more difficult return games
- Did not attend a EURO or WC
- Mateu handled the final in 2021
- Most referees have done a Europa League final before that. Orsato was an exception. Mateu as well, but he did at least 2 or 3 semi-finals?
I like him and his style a lot though! No offense :)
@Sargento
DeleteI've already said that I like him as a referee and he deservedely he is where he is. What more do you want? But there is no such thing as flawless. There is no perfection in refereeing - this is the first thing the instructors should tell the coursants in their first refereeing course. And if you don't know that, then "you don't know much about arbitrage"
At least if Moldova wins against Albania tonight, these are two big games for Schärer and Jablonski in group E, which might be surprising.
ReplyDeleteFor Schärer, because it is his first international game since March.
For Jablonski, because it his debut on this level.
Looks like no game for Turpin now:
ReplyDeleteFrance is in group B (and GIB-NED too small anyway)
Bastien has ARM-WAL, so he is unlikely in group D
Letexier has ISR-ROU, so he is unlikely in group I.
So for the remaining big games maybe:
CRO-ARM: Kovacs
WAL-TÜR: Vincic
ROU-SUI: Oliver
GRE-FRA: Massa
But also Gözübüyük, Meler, Nyberg and Stieler seem possible.
No game for Turpin can be a surprise, but with England - Italy on last month (officiated with a clear crucial mistake) one can find the explanation for that.
DeleteFor WAL-TÜR it will most likely be M. Jug not Vincic
DeleteI don't expect Oliver in ROMSUI, especially if the swiss are not qualified then. The RC at the last Euros was controversial and I think UEFA would want to avoid the situation. Also two english referees in short time must not be the case
DeleteAlso Oliver’s AR Dan Cook is being used by John Brooks
DeleteQuestion - who would be classified as top 5 elite referees in UEFA in order. I know it’s probably subjective. Definitely top 2 of Marciniak & Makkelie let me know your thoughts.
ReplyDelete1. Orsato
Delete2. Marciniak
3. Turpin
4. Vincic
5. Taylor
Impossible to make a Top 5.
DeleteTop 3 is easy; Marciniak, Turpin, Orsato.
Taylor didn’t look good recently and we haven’t seen Makkelie in something very challenging this season. So I don’t know how to rate him at the moment. Vincic is a decent referee, but I never have that ‘Wow’-feeling (impressed) when I’m watching him.
1. Marciniak
ReplyDelete2. Rosati
3. Turpin
4. Taylor
5. Vincic
2. Orsato
DeleteFor me Scharer to late. This will be his first game. To late for Euro. Maybe Olympics France
ReplyDeleteActually I wouldn’t be surprised if Schärer gets a game under special observation by a committee member in week 5-6 (UEL/UCL). Like ESF writes below, he was a very trusted referee. If recovered, I’d expect him in Germany next summer. It also helps being a Swiss…
DeleteTop 5 for me:
ReplyDeleteMarciniak, Orsato, Turpin, Manzano and Taylor.
MAKKELIE??? > For me with his performances not in Top 10/20 Look the games what he did last 1,5 season. Level Collum. Hopefully he can come back, only it take to long
Taylor has been awful this season
DeleteWho do you expect to be the referee for the France-Greece match?
ReplyDeleteI think CURRENTLY it's something like that:
ReplyDeleteBest of the best:
Marciniak, Orsato
Extremely trusted:
Taylor, Turpin
Also top elite:
Gil Manzano, Letexier, Zwayer, Makkelie, Soares Dias, Hategan (pre injury), Kovacs, Schärer (pre injury), Vinčič
On good path to become top elite:
Peljto, Nyberg
One step behind:
Oliver, Hernández Hernández, Sánchez Martínez, Stieler, Massa, Gözübüyük, Kružliak, Meler
Below average:
Kuĺbakoŭ, Bastien, Siebert (deemed top elite before), Sidirópoulos, Grinfeld, Collum, Jovanović (deemed top elite before)
I think Kulbakov had very good performance in 2 UECL “big match”, I think many of us only made assessment based on his background. He need more important match or higher league match this season to be fair.
Deleteimo Oliver is in category top-elite
Delete1. Marciniak
Delete2. Orsato
3. Turpin
4. Oliver
5. Taylor/ Gil
Its of course very subjective whom we deem to be 'the best' - but we usually a ref is good if we do not remember him from the games. Marciniak just seem to be in his own league. Almost 'Collina-style' (not just the hair). He seem to have the respect of all the players - no one argues with him. Personally, I feel some referees (like Turpin, Taylor and Gil Manzano give way to many 'warnings / pointed fingers before they hand out their cards' - in connection to soft, but professional free-kicks committed as well as time-wasting. This is of course my personal interpretation from international matched. Marciniak, Vincic, Orsato, Oliver, Peljto, Kovacs, Sidiropoulos for me..
ReplyDeleteTOP FIVE REFEREES---1-Pierluigi Collina 1-Pierluigi Collina 1-Pierluigi Collina 1-Pierluigi Collina 1-Pierluigi Collina
ReplyDeletePierluigi, is that you?
DeleteIt is funny how things can change so drastically in short time.
ReplyDeleteSeason 21/22 Makkelie was in his own league. Easily top-3 ahead of Turpin, Marciniak and Orsato. I don't know if someone remembers, but he handled the same games as Marciniak:
- Paok Saloniki - Marseille (QF)
- Villareal - Liverpool (SF)
The difference is that the Dutchman had the more difficult return games. The UCL final was stolen from Makkelie (political decision). Until today, I still have many questions. Why did they give Makkelie the Real-PSG return game and not for example Orsato? Is it because Makkelie was better and more trusted than Orsato? Or because they wanted Makkelie to fail in order to give the final to Turpin? It was a very strange decision to give him the sensitive return game. A stolen Champions League final.
After that season, everything changed. Marciniak had a very quick rise. He was simply the best before the World Cup started. Makkelie lost his confidence and all of a sudden changed his whistle set-up (why would you do that only a few weeks before a World Cup??). Having watched Makkelie recently, I see some flashes of the 2020-2022 referee, looking more confident and still very respected by the players. I hope he's still eager enough. Can't wait to see him in top form again.
And to add, a World Cup in Qatar probably wasn’t in his favor after the PSG game… Unlucky circumstances for sure. For me, Makkelie is one of the most honest and least ‘biased’ referees (the PSG game proves that!) and that is why I respect him.
DeleteI’m sure his time will come. The universe has planned something for him; UEFA owes him something. He must keep trust in himself and his team.
Your story looks like a book for my children :):). UEFA owes him something?? The ref com with fantastic members and great ex refs (Rosetti, Velasco, Kuipers) owes nothing for mr MAKKELIE. If he whistle good games he will get it, but at this moment he have to fight for every game, and honestly the Euro2024 is for him NO guarantee. The games what he get at this moment are games like Collum, Sidripolous, Jovanovic . Your name is no guarantee for good games or tournaments. He have to deserve it
DeleteThe great mr. Kuipers? He’s just in the committee for himself. Probably wants Rosetti’s position
DeleteFor me he is a fantastic leader, together with Velasco, Sajn and of course Roberto, the best committee
DeleteOf course, Anonymous!
DeleteAre you jealous
DeleteHow couldn't you mention Ms. DaDa? It is very unfair to her!
DeleteOh guys. Nothing relevant here, only fun.
What is the general opinion on Taylor and Oliver and why are they not pushing Marciniak as top referee in Europe?
ReplyDeleteBecause they aren’t that good. Taylor has been really poor this season, big mistakes in most games. Oliver is a quiet referee who lets the game flow, but if things start to escalate he struggles.
DeleteDo you think that the issues relating to VAR and the heavy media coverage on referee decisions in the EPL is impacting their confidence and the views of UEFA referees committee?
DeleteProbably is
DeleteThat's going to be one hell of a very deciding match for Schärer. When Moldava wins, then they qualify for EURO.
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, UEFA should change the appointment. It's too much risk. Schärer is a very good referee, no doubt about it, but it's too much risk to give him such a game directly after such a long break from international refereeing.
DeleteI agree!! He need minimum a half year to get back on level
DeleteAnd Moldova doesn't have the backup option of play-offs - unlike NED, GRE, ITA, CRO, SRB, KAZ, SUI, ISR in other important games.
DeleteHowever, UEFA must have known this possibility before, so I don't expect any change here.
I think that committee didn't expect that, but as I said commenting Collum appointment, sometimes the names of the teams (in this case Moldova) allow certain appointments. Be sure in case of different national team in same situation, the choice would have been different. Nothing against the Swiss, but I must agree with you that after a so long time, assigning such a game decisive for qualification to a referee from a long injury is extremely weird. At the same time we can say that in case of good performance, things will turn very well for him... but if not...
DeleteI really hope Schaerer performed well even when Moldova failed to create another black swan, because it would be very pity if Moldova failed because of the referee.
DeleteBig doubts about Scharer
DeleteWOW, still trust in Martinez Munuera as VAR for Ukraine - Italy, I wouldn't have predicted that. Too evident mistakes in his recent games as VAR. But this time he will have Del Cerro as AVAR, I'm convinced they will work "together"...
ReplyDeleteMaybe UEFA had a different opinion about his previous VAR interventions?
DeleteIn my opinion that's more likely for Greece - Netherlands, but after that impossible that Rosetti thinks intervention in Jorgji EL game was a correct one...
DeleteCeferin has made the task for Gil Manzano even more difficult by his statements about Italy having to be there at the Euro
ReplyDeleteMany week 6 observers have been released already. Mostly regular observer names. I was expecting UEFA to wait for the MD5-results.
ReplyDeleteInterestingly enough, Milan-Newcastle and Atlético-Lazio are not released yet. These games could be decisive and there is an Italian club involved :)
Very strange for me as well, UEFA would have two weeks after MD5 to make assignments for the games, but they don't want and some choices seem to have been already made.
DeleteStill very hot clashes involving Italian teams are treated very particularly, at least based on this delay, we can't deny that, but I think appointments will be made before MD5 as well for the missing names, at this point. We will see.
It will be an exciting day. Very big matches for Gil Manzano (imo the most important appointment in his career), Marciniak and Scharer. Goodluck!
ReplyDeleteOBSERVERS MD5
ReplyDeleteUCL
Galatasaray - Man United: Drago Kos SVN
Bayern - Copenhagen: Terje Hauge NOR
Sevilla - PSV: Pascal Garibian FRA
Arsenal - Lens: Kýros Vassáras GRE
Real Madrid - Napoli: Lucílio Cardoso Cortez Batista POR
Braga - Union Berlin: Dejan Filipović SRB
Benfica - Inter: Chaim Ya'akov ISR
Real Sociedad - Salzburg: Björn Kuipers NED
Lazio - Celtic: Alexandru Deaconu ROU
Feyenoord - Atlético de Madrid: João Francisco Lopes Ferreira POR
Paris - Newcastle: Rune Pedersen NOR
Milan - Dortmund: Luis Medina Cantalejo ESP
Man City - Leipzig: Stefan Meßner AUT
Young Boys - Crvena zvezda: David Fernández Borbalán ESP
Shakhtar Donetsk - Antwerp: Roberto Rosetti ITA
Barcelona - Porto: Sokol Jareci ALB
UEL
Freiburg - Olympiacos: Levan Paniashvili GEO
TSC Bačka Topola - West Ham: Robert Schörgenhofer AUT
AEK Athens - Brighton: Stefano Podeschi SMR
Marseille - Ajax: Vladimir Šajn SVN
Sparta Praha - Real Betis: Martin Ingvarsson SWE
Rangers - Aris Limassol: Alain Hamer LUX
Atalanta - Sporting CP: Ichko Lozev BUL
Sturm Graz - Raków: Martin Atkinson ENG
Liverpool - LASK: Manuel Díaz Vega ESP
Toulouse - Union SG: Bernardino González Vázquez ESP
Maccabi Haifa - Rennes: Ferenc Székely HUN
Villarreal - Panathinaikos: Howard Webb ENG
Servette - Roma: Hannes Kaasik EST
Sheriff - Slavia Praha: Frank De Bleeckere BEL
Molde - Qarabağ: Tomasz Mikulski POL
Häcken - Leverkusen: Niklas á Líðarenda FRO
UECL
Olimpija Ljubljana - Lille: Sabri Çelik TUR
KÍ Klaksvík - Slovan Bratislava: Þóroddur Hjaltalín ISL
Gent - Zorya Luhansk: Jouni Hyytiä FIN
Breiðablik - Maccabi Tel Aviv: Petteri Kari FIN
Astana - Dinamo Zagreb: Christof Dierick BEL
Ballkani - Viktoria Plzeň: Edward Foley IRL
Bodø/Glimt - Lugano: Barış Şimşek TUR
Beşiktaş - Club Brugge: Kenneth William Clark SCO
AZ Alkmaar - Zrinjski: Michaíl Koukoulákis GRE
Aston Villa - Legia: Sascha Amhof SUI
Fiorentina - Genk: Vlado Svilokos CRO
Čukarički - Ferencváros: Konrad Plautz AUT
HJK - Aberdeen: Stávros Tritsónis GRE
Eintracht Frankfurt - PAOK: Hugh Dallas SCO
Nordsjælland - Fenerbahçe: Ruud Bossen NED
Spartak Trnava - Ludogorets: Elmir Pilav BIH
Hugh Dallas finally fly from UK :)
Deletewhy is this a problem ? Mr Dallas has left Uk .
DeleteWho is the observer on Jesus Gil Manzano?
ReplyDeleteToday? Michal Beneš, 55yo, former Czech international referee. He was attendant of 2001 FIFA U17 World Cup (group stage) and 2004 EURO U21 (semi-final).
DeleteOBSERVERS MD6
ReplyDeleteUCL
Man United - Bayern: Juan Antonio Fernández Marín ESP
Copenhagen - Galatasaray: Michal Beneš CZE
Lens - Sevilla: Gylfi Þór Orrason ISL
PSV - Arsenal: Michael Thomas Ross NIR
Napoli - Braga: to be appointed
Union Berlin - Real Madrid: Laurent Duhamel FRA
Inter - Real Sociedad: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz TUR
Salzburg - Benfica: Emil Božinovski MKD
Atlético de Madrid - Lazio: to be appointed
Celtic - Feyenoord: Jon Eilif Skjervold NOR
Dortmund - Paris: Rien Koopman NED
Newcastle - Milan: to be appointed
Leipzig - Young Boys: Vladimir Šajn SVN
Crvena zvezda - Man City: Alberto Undiano Mallenco ESP
FC Porto - Shakhtar Donetsk: Markus Nobs SUI
Antwerp - Barcelona: Leslie Irvine NIR
UEL
West Ham - Freiburg: Martin Hansson SWE
Olympiacos - TSC Bačka Topola: Stéphane Lannoy FRA
Ajax - AEK Athens: Antonio Damato ITA
Brighton - Marseille: Markus Strömbergsson SWE
Real Betis - Rangers: Uno Tutk EST
Aris Limassol - Sparta Praha: Michael Riley ENG
Sporting CP - Sturm Graz: René Temmink NED
Raków - Atalanta: Cyril Zimmermann SUI
Union SG - Liverpool: Kóstas Kapitanís CYP
LAKS - Toulouse: Goran Mihaljević MNE
Rennes - Villarreal: Nicola Rizzoli ITA
Panathinaikos - Maccabi Haifa: William Young SCO
Roma - Sheriff: Karen Nalbandyan ARM
Slavia Praha - Servette: Geórgios Bíkas GRE
Leverkusen - Molde: Björn Kuipers NED
Qarabağ - Häcken: Alan Mario Sant MLT
UECL
Slovan Bratislava - Olimpija Ljubljana: Mark Steven Whitby WAL
Lille - KÍ Klaksvík: Nenad Đokić SRB
Maccabi Tel Aviv - Gent: Sven Bindels LUX
Zorya Luhansk - Breiðablik: Andrejs Sipailo LVA
Viktoria Plzeň - Astana: Shmuel Shteif ISR
Dinamo Zagreb - Ballkani: Kevin Parry WAL
Club Brugge - Bodø/Glimt: Domagoj Vučkov CRO
Lugano - Beşiktaş: Kristinn Jakobsson ISL
Legia - AZ Alkmaar: Albano Janku ALB
Zrinjski - Aston Villa: Matteo Simone Trefoloni ITA
Genk - Čukarički: Dimitar Mečkarovski MKD
Ferencváros - Fiorentina: Orhan Erdemir TUR
PAOK - HJK: Volodymyr Petrov UKR
Aberdeen - Eintracht Frankfurt: to be appointed
Ludogorets - Nordsjælland: Gunnar Jarl Jónsson ISL
Fenerbahçe - Spartak Trnava: Igor Șațchii MDA
You can say everything but this story that Italian teams are treated very differently is extremely evident and one must be honest in admitting that, looking at management by committee.
DeleteAll three games with Milan, Lazio and Napoli could be extremely important for qualification, while Inter already qualified and so they made the assignment. But what is the difference with other groups where the qualification is still open as well?
Maybe appointments will be made before MD5 games and results, but still, more elaborated decisions than other assignments for different nations. Do you think that committee is right working in this way?
We have also Aberdeen without observer in Conference League and we can maybe link this to the protests that Scottish side made after some officiatings.
On another note, Young Boys definitely the "test" team for referees, now another committee member appointed in their game.
IMO it's not appropriate to openly treat Italian teams differently. It gives the people food to make conspiracy theories.
DeleteFor us, very interesting to monitor the timing of the remaining observer names with Italian teams, when they wil be released: Before or after the week-5 games.
DeleteAnd whether Week-6 repeats any names of Week-5 (which could also be a reason for a delay).
Of course, still possible that they make early appointments for Week-6 and decide to make changes after MD5, due to the standings or controversy.
One option is that they want to use Gil Manzano, maybe in Napoli game (if Real Madrid already qualified), but they must wait for today's game Ukraine - Italy. Or we can maybe predict some referees in MD5 to be appointed again in MD6 in the three games with Italian teams... we will see when observers will be appointed.
DeleteThe different treatment for italian refs seems to have been extended to the Italian football teams as well. Really undeserved and unbelievable. When is Rosetti finally going away?
DeleteWe can be sure that in some groups will be used referees from countries which teams are involved. I can see 4 such opportunities now, not more.
DeleteGroup A, MD6: Copenhagen - Galatasaray (GER referee)
Group C, MD5: Braga - Union Berlin (ESP referee)
Group D, MD6: Salzburg - Benfica (ITA referee)
Group G, MD5: Young Boys - CZ Beograd (ENG referee)
For Napoli - Braga referee from Spain could be possible if after MD5 Real would be the winner of the group.
Impossible Group A with a German. Bayern Munich is there.
DeleteAlso Braga x Union no Spanish. Real Madrid is there.
DeleteMandatory YC for SPA by Gil Manzano correctly given (7').
ReplyDeleteThe early minutes look quite challenging, it can be very intense game for the Spanish.
Schärer with good first impression so far, looking fit and quite firm. But he wasnt really challenged so far.
ReplyDeleteStrange shirt color choices in UKRITA. Yellow vs white, not the best imho
ReplyDelete24' mandatory YC correctly given by Schärer, reckless tackle. He took the forst chance he got, probably a good attempt.
ReplyDeletePossible PK in MKDENG, no VAR intervention.
ReplyDeletehttps://dubz.live/c/9c0504
Correct NO VAR intervention (no VAR stuff), but I think penalty more expected decision than play on. English player was very lucky.
DeletePenalty imo
Deletecan anyone report about OFR in Ljubljana?
ReplyDeleteBig mistake by Marciniak. Clear penalty. Could be seen live.
DeleteNorth Macedonia vs England ,Glovia is not good enough to referee a youth match ,never mind an international
ReplyDeleteBecause he gave Pk against the mighty England
DeleteVery calm first half of UKRITA. One correct YC, one missed corner, nothing to report.
ReplyDeleteAfter that YC, game turned in a very fair one with teams focused on football, but the early minutes were suggesting maybe a different continuation of the match!
DeleteSome minior penalty appeal including a classic handball one, but all correct decisions to play on.
There was another opportunity to show YC to an Ukrainian player but not 100% mandatory, reasonable choice by referee to stay with only the first mandatory booking of the game so far, given also the context.
We can expect more in second half.
Is it me or does Glova seem overly angry? If he had a calmer demeanour I feel like he would have greater respect from the players. Just an observation.
ReplyDeleteHe always looks angry, mainly because of that eyes
DeleteOFR by Glova:
ReplyDeletehttps://dubz.live/c/79596d
Another decision to make English brains explode 😅. It’s a clear foul - the ball takes a weird bounce and Lewis is anxious of the attacker coming behind him and knows that given there isn’t much pace on the ball, it’s very likely that after having headed it, if the attacker isn’t impeded, then he can get past Lewis and reach the ball.
DeleteSo in the same motion as heading the ball he performs a striking on the Macedonian attacker.
Only tuned in after UKRITA halftime but indeed, very aggressive demeanour by Glova. Imo, he isn’t the most talented referee generally speaking.
I am from England and this would not be a penalty in the PL. Is this more commonly sanctioned in Europe compared to England then? I am yet to find an English person in agreement with this decision that is all. Many thanks.
Delete@ Anonymous. You succeeded finding Mikael...
DeleteI agree with this penalty decision.
It's not "more commonly sanctioned" it simply is sanctioned since it's an absolutely clear foul... The theory that it wouldn't be sanctioned in PL just suggests poor quality of English referees, which I also disagree with (generally speaking)...
DeleteClear penalty for me. He looks at him and throws his arm into his face. Clear penalty and a yellow, wouldn't be given in the premier league because the referees don't know what a foul/ VC is
DeleteSVNKAZ
ReplyDelete35' - PAI holding. Play-on not clear and obvious mistake.
https://streamable.com/ap6zhd
38' - [OFR] Penalty awarded for kicking. IMO it's quite clear Marciniak and his teammates thought the defender played the ball. Indeed, it looked like that but in fact the ball deflected from the attacking player's leg.
https://streamable.com/0r8tch
Apart from that, lenient disciplinary control - he could've cautioned some challenges from Kazakh players - but full control, as always.
35': not a clear and obvious mistake to play on, I agree. Maybe even best decision.
Delete38': indeed you can be easily deceived here, in my opinion even first replay is not clear, but you have confirmation of clear foul watching the replay from behind the players. Correct and expected VAR intervention, wouldn't blame too much Polish crew....
46:30 wrong yellow card, Scharer, no touch. 47:30 missed handball. I think player was outside, so no OFR.
ReplyDeleteVery long VAR check to disallow and obviously offside England goal. AR1 shouldve seen it but don’t know why the delay was so long?
ReplyDelete53' MDA5 could have seen a 2YC and Schärer decided for a warning. 20 seconds later, 2YC for MDA4 for reckless use of arm, I think supportable at least.
ReplyDelete54:10 wrong second yellow card Scharer. Unfortunately VAR can not help. For me never second yellow !!
ReplyDeleteI don't think VAR would have helped here, forearm to the head with enough force, enough to qualify this action as reckless. Good position by the way, Schörer had the perfect angle.
DeleteThe problem is with first YC for MDA4 I think
DeleteIt does not matter. UEFA does not like small countries/teams.
DeleteGlovia is being let down by his VAR team ,clear penalty for handball not checked.
ReplyDeleteThis is NOT a penalty as the player plays the ball in his own hand....... This is not even serious to discuss.
DeleteGil Manzano, maybe tired from ‘accumulation’ circa Milan vs. Paris and a very dynamic opening to the game, is losing the thread slightly in Leverkusen. It started with an ignored YC at the end of the 1H (Konoplya in 42’), and he is slightly struggling to find a predictable line, some delays in whistling, etc. To be clear, I don’t blame him and the Spaniard is doing well so far!
ReplyDeleteIt is a good job there is nothing riding on MKDENG because Glova and VAR have made some ‘interesting’ decision this evening so far.
ReplyDeleteEngland are doing well to keep their discipline with such a bias referee
ReplyDeleteYes I agree. This is not a reckless second yellow card. But maybe he saw it differently from his position. I agree Cassius with MDA5. This should be more a second yellow. Min 53
ReplyDeleteEngland player clearly fouled ,Referee waves play on and then penalises Kane for an idenitical foul...Clear bias being shown against one team by Glovia.
ReplyDeleteNow tense moments in Leverkusen. Correct YC by Gil Manzano.
ReplyDeleteItalian commentators didn't want to accept a free kick whistled for holding by Spanish referee in 78', because ball possession had been already gained by another Italian player, so according to them no foul possible.. well..
Its not american football
DeleteSecond YC by Schaerer:
ReplyDeletehttps://streamin.me/v/947d2528
Supportable decision, we are at the borders of careless, I think better to whistle only foul, but always difficult because you have the classic simulation scene by player who is hit, pretending something more.
The reaction of the player while getting second YC can't be accepted by a referee, but the Swiss could do nothing as he was already sending off him.
I recommend administrators to turn off anonimos comments, sometimes are good to have them but now I think too many trash talk from them
ReplyDeleteGlovia performance had been so poor tonight ,he needs downgrading or removing from the EUFA list
ReplyDeleteNow clear penalty to Ukraine missed by Gil Manzano.. must be OFR.
ReplyDeleteClear? 😂
DeleteIt was huge scandal again from Italy
ReplyDeleteGil Manzano hero for Italy
ReplyDeleteWell between the intervention in ITASUI for Taylor and the non-penalty here, Italy have got very very lucky in key key moments during qualifiers and we can speculate as to some of the reasons why…
ReplyDeleteLooked like zero contact from the limited replays so far
DeleteObvious corruption in UEFA. This is what you get with all referee bosses from one country
DeleteWas contact but mudryk was playing for it
DeleteI must agree, very lucky. Still zero replays here of what looked like a clear penalty... hopefully for the Spanish VAR, I'm wrong!
DeleteWell you should not forget the mistakes by Jovanovic (terrible match) and Turpin in the two matches against England in the same qualifiers if speaking about Italy...
DeleteThis was a supportable PK by the way IMO, and I am Italian.
Gil Manzano will be the final referee in Wembley next year
ReplyDeleteThats a disgrace, 100% penalty not given to Ukraine and yes I am sure it would have been given in other penalty area
ReplyDeleteAgree
DeleteYou have to be honest. If Gil Manzano give a penalty in this situation against Italy, he will get punished by Rosetti.
ReplyDeleteThat's the bad thing about this, remember me, nothing will happen to Gil Manzano and he will continue to be named along with Martinez Munuera.
DeleteGil Manzano earned his spot in UCL final tonight I Guess.
DeleteIts ridiculous and its a joke. If its against Itaky don't whistle, for Italy Whistle.
DeleteRosetti has to go if he allows this.
Clear stamp not given, well 100% disrespect for Italian nepotism
ReplyDeleteSurprisingly, UKRITA wasn't a big challenge for ref, but Gil Manzano today was good, congrats for delivering.
ReplyDeleteA few minutes ago, I wanted write that nobody will be talking about referee, but now - 90+3' - for me it was a minimal contact but no for penalty.
Looked like a dive from Mudryk at first glance and I haven't seen anything in the replays to say otherwise. Lack of reaction from Ukraine players and Mudryk at full time tells its own story
ReplyDeleteWithout having watched any replay so far, I agree, if it was such a clear PK they would have made a big fuss about it.
Delete100% agree, more protests by the usual ones here than by the Ukranian on the field
DeleteI would have preferred a penalty because contact was quite clear and defender was late, but I think it is not VAR stuff. Such a call must be given on field.
ReplyDeleteMarciniak went through SVNKAZ without any damage. Full control, 100% respected despite lenient disciplinary line (not my cup of tea but he doesn't need cards to stamp his authority, tbh). Two correctly rejected penalty appeals, penalty to SVN awarded after OFR but understandable mistake. He finished the game called refereeing ;)
ReplyDeleteMudryk has been diving for the whole match, not a single comment here, even in the last contact he left his left leg wide intentionally to get the penalty. Never a OFR, never a clear mistake.
ReplyDeleteBut now we will read Chefre, Mikael speculating about favouritism and too many anonymous without the guts to clearly state what they think and put their faces on the many shameful comments I read here. This blog has become more a fan base more than a community to discuss objectively about refereeing. What a shame, I miss Soham so much
I like Gil Mazano but at the other end, that is 100% given as a penalty.
DeleteI believe if situation xas reversed and with Italy needed a goal to qualify, Manzano gives a penalty there to make certain people happy.The influence from the top is becoming more and more conspicuous.
ReplyDeleteIt is usually not Ukraine's culture to protest or remonstrate with referees
ReplyDeleteI saw the UKRITA incident and it's not clear and obvious mistake (if mistake at all for UEFA - they told referees to not treat marginal step on foot seriously at the last course). Negligible contact, exaggerated reaction. Of course, the context will make it a nightmare for Jesús Gil Manzano who was really unlucky to face such incident...
ReplyDeletehttps://streamff.co/v/iiFEYvnNzm
ReplyDeleteHere a clip. Perceived as very clear penalty in Italy, many people are saying that the team was extremely lucky and they can't find arguments for missing VAR intervention.
“Many people”
ReplyDeleteRefereeing is not democracy. There is a clear replay from back, where the dive is clear
as long as media is involved and the referees must be trusted, refereeing on the highest level is (sadly) also democratic.
DeleteNor is refereeing about assessing incidents based on the amount of protest of the teams (ie comment 22:50 above).
DeleteThanks to the Italian members of the blog who commented very honourably on the situation. Unlike the Spanish and Hungarian ones.
ReplyDeleteThe contact is clear in (super) slow-motion:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.streambug.io/cv/94d985
https://imgur.com/a/onaZaXH
DeleteAt the moment of the contact Mudryk is still easily the player best able to get the ball. Of course his intention is to be fouled more than make for goal, but he wins a careless trip without any doubt (imo). Penalty to be given...
😬😞
Thanks. Was difficult to see in other video
DeleteSo far during thse 3-4 of qualifiers,it can be said that Orsato and Marciniak are clear 2 refs that are best of the best,as that fact was commented on this blog.
ReplyDeleteBoth of them have great comunication skills and can have control of the macth without issuing much cards.
2 desiders went to both of them and had no problems in their matches.
It's safe to say that Juan Martínez Munuera and Carlos del Cerro Grande are 2 refs that Italy has great respect so far :D
ReplyDeleteJokes aside,Munuera had some controversial moments when he was VAR and I dont know how wise it is to appoint him for any crucial matches in future.
Opinion from a neutral viewer…
ReplyDeleteThe classic 50-50 situation where a defender is late/clumsy, but Mudryk is making it look worse and also initiated his fall by putting his feet behind the Italian leg. Was it a clear stamp? I don’t think so. Maybe a slight one, but not a full stamp. Not a clear and obvious situation, therefore I can understand the no-PK decision call and no intervention. Although I’m a bit biased and wonder if Gil Manzano would make the same call if it happened in the other box…
He is a smart referee. :)
Ukraine quite unlucky with Spanish referees; Mateu in the WC play-off, now Gil Manzano.
It's not a stamp, if there's a PK it is for tripping.
DeleteYes I see now in Mikael’s video :)
DeleteCareless indeed
I can add that in case of such an incident against Italy we would have seen incredible scenes against UEFA, and that's something I don't like because one must be always objective (but that's not for football fans). Having said that, in my opinion another VAR could have easily called referee and that's a problem that needs to be discussed. Is VAR really a benefit in such situations? How many OFRs in various UEFA games we had for even less evident incidents than this one? So what should we think? In my opinion a few minutes ago Martínez Munuera had in his hand the potential key for deciding a qualification of a team or another to EURO (because penalty at very last minute, so easy to guess nothing would have happened later in case of goal) and he made his assessment, very likely deciding that this wasn't enough. What doesn't work is that from different VARs you have different outcomes and especially in such situations we never saw consistency.
ReplyDeleteIf this situation happened to Italy or any other temperamental country like that,we would hear noise and complaints about ref from everywhere.
DeleteItalian player would be rolling on the pitch for 5 minutes and his teammates putting pressure on the referee. Ukraine players don’t have that dissent culture..
DeleteIn my opinion we have to go back to the basic principle and there we have the problem. The so-called clear and obvious error criteria.
DeleteBasically we wanted to avoid cases like what happened back in time wiht Larrionda or Rosetti himself in 2010, or let's mention old days and Maradona's famous goal. These were the clear and obvious errors what VAR should correct. But how VAR can be used in cases where we have like 80% in favour of one decision but also 20% to defend a situation. Referee could judge it himself, even if it looks wrong, but there is still room for accepting his decisions.
With current rules these cases will be never solved and what we cannot require is consistency.
Overall it looked like simple tripping and penalty, but I think we are very far from the core of clear and obvious principle. This should be simply part of the game and even it looks like this is the deciding moment of qualification, but don't forget it's 8 games in total and I am sure both teams had similar situations in there other games.
Exactly @Chefren. Too much inconsistency from VAR's of different country and even within countries. Alejandro Hernandez would have called that I reckon. As would Attwell and many other VAR's. Its not just fouls, its handballs and everything. Too much inconsistency.
Delete@EnglandRFEF I agree,with you,too much incosistencies from VAR and their perception of fouls.
DeleteBut at the same time,that same Hernandez that you're mentioning did not whistle clear penalty against Greece after that same Martinez Munuera called him.
So to much inconsistencies,especially from Spanish crew.
Challenge system is the solution to the problem: the decision is taken by *one* referee, on the pitch and - if requested to do so - watching the video footage.
DeleteThe current system multiplies errors and controversies, as the final decision is basically made by two different officials and quite often VAR's call is the one that matters the most.
Spanish officials are the most inconsistent. One week they ignore blatant fouls, the next week any contact is a foul and a yellow along with 400 whistle blows
DeleteI predict, we will see Gil Manzano with Italian club soon after today. ;) Napoli-Braga was a good shout by Chefren, with RMA already qualified and the limited availability of Spanish refs
ReplyDeleteAh, tripping! I missed it! Indeed, quite clear but still the theatrical fall of Ukrainian player. Had he behaved normally, the hit leg would've hit the second leg causing a natural fall and no doubt a penalty would've followed! He decided to simulate BEFORE the contact caused a natural fall. Therefore, I still agree with no VAR intervention.
ReplyDeleteAgree that VARs were right not to intervene.
DeleteWhen you need 0.10x speed to be sure...
In principle, it remains a careless foul imo. On the other hand though, in pre-VAR days, I think people would be ready to accept play on (you have to really be SURE in such a moment) without toooo much issue.
Yes, strictly by the book it's careless kicking/tripping. But in reality it didn't have any impact on the player as he didn't give it a chance with his theatrical fall. It's similar to holding. How many times we see defender holding attacker but as it has no impact on the latter no penalty is awarded. So, no impact, no foul.
DeleteOne more reply to Euro Soccer Ref:
DeleteYou wrote "Strictly by the book ..."
Isn't a ref obliged to decide "strictly by the book" or is there a second book, aparently only known to ref of this match but unknown to the rest of the world that the ref had to follow tonight?
Come on :)
DeleteWell, even if the Ukrainian player decided to try diving in the first place - in the end he was fould by tripping und fell anyway. So it is a clear foul. And a foul in the box means penalty. Or does "in your book" the unsportsmanlike idea of tripping extinguish the foul that in fact took place?
DeleteRemember the old Woody Allen quote: "Just because I am paranoid it doesn't mean that they aren't after me." (At least the quote is dedicated to W.A. ... ;-))
If Italy had the same position, they would have destroyed the world.
ReplyDeleteGil Manzano would face Taylor scenario all over again
DeleteWe have a big problem. The incompetence of UEFA and reluctance to punish bad behaviour such as PSG, Juventus and Roma for attacking referees means that they are now ending up with decisions going their favour as other referees are scared of facing the same scenarios.
ReplyDeleteIt gives the idea off thats its acceptable to attack the referee if he gives decision against your team and if you do so you will get all the subsequent decisions. What happens if all teams do it, if the english teams do it for example then we really have big trouble
It's been a trend since the Super League debacle. UEFA is powerless, whereas the clubs seems to have all the power to reject a referee. Referees are more and more afraid to make big decisions against (some) big clubs/countries, such as a PK or red card, because it is possible they can’t whistle the club/country for a while.
DeleteThe strange thing about Taylor and Makkelie’s abuse is that experts do not see what they did "wrong" based on UEFA guidelines. And UEFA, by not openly supporting these referees, created a bad example. Both referees are struggling with form after that…
Then, the refcom set an even worse example by "rewarding" Gil Manzano after a wrong PK in favor of PSG, because his very first next international match was again a PSG game. Well, I guess Dortmund was not happy and he could can’t referee them for a while, but still… This has to be avoided at all cost. Other referees are not stupid and notice these details as well.
I completely agree with your comment @JK.
Delete15 days ago, the Bayern-Galatasaray Champions League match was played. In that match, before Bayern's first goal, the assistant referee raised the offside flag. But the VAR didn't draw any line, and without any evidence, the goal was ruled valid. This was incredible and against the VAR protocol. The AVAR for that match was Juan Martínez Munuera. Yesterday, the Turkish media reported that the system crashed while checking for offside in that match and that Nobre had 2 "verbal conversations" with the VAR to give the goal. Galatasaray sent a 5-page complaint about Nobre to UEFA. Even this simple example shows how deplorable the situation is. Another strange thing is that Nobre was appointed to such an important match in the Champions League with only 2 ECL and 1 EL match without refereeing any derby in his country. Moreover, he was only a FIFA referee for 4 years and had never refereed a major match in his career. This example summarizes the injustice of UEFA's referee appointments very well. From now on we will see more such " deliberate mistakes" in favor of big teams/countries.
https://www.fanatik.com.tr/galatasaray/galeri-bayern-munih-galatasaray-macinin-hakemi-antonio-nobreye-sok-kariyeri-bitebilir-2531024/6
As you know, UEFA's agenda these days is to include Arab teams in UEFA competitions. UEFA's new motto is: More money, More injustice...
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/al-nassr-champions-league-invite-31441186
Imagine if this happened to some tempetamental team,and Mourinho was the manager.
ReplyDeleteThat would be the main talking point whole month atleast.
This way just couple days and all wil be forgotten.
Obsessed with Mourinho
DeleteClear penalty. How that wasn't given as a penalty to Ukraine I will never know.
ReplyDeleteSuch situations will be repeated again and again. It's not about Ukraine, they don't care about football at all right now. In their place could be any other team that can be neglected from the point of view of football bosses.
ReplyDeleteAny words on Schärers performance? :D
ReplyDeleteSolid performance I would say. He looked very fit, had good positionings and kept close to play. He focused on disciplinary control, especially against hard/dirty tackles by Moldavia. The YCs were correct from what I saw. The 2YC was supportable in my eyes, but not one that must be given. One minute before there was honestly a better chance to issue a 2YC, but given the context of the second possible 2YC in short time, I understand Schärer that he took the second chance. I also liked that he correctly gave the YC for SPA in 90+1 even if the game was decided at this point.
DeleteOverall no issues and few reasons to talk about the refereeing team. Schärer is definitely back and ready for more games.
This is 100% not a penalty. Ball delibarately played by defender to his own hand. I cant believe people in this forum are so far from rules knowledge.
ReplyDeleteAmidst the drama at the end yesterday, it seems people managed to miss the real 'Italian' controversy yesterday - penalty given to San Marino in second half additional time :D. They scored in order to lose the game only 1-2 to Finland.
ReplyDeleteEasy to see why Lukjancukas gave it (and VAR correct to support), but in reality this was a rather dubious award imo.
https://streambug.net/cv/3c7abc
For me PK is correct. To shoot with his left foot, the striker has to put his right leg there. The reaction from the defender also seems to suggest PK.
DeleteAttacker seems to fall before the tackle, the contact is just used to get penalty, but it wasn't a real foul by defender, again some aspects are similar to England - Malta call by Godinho but all people expect penalty in such situation. At the same time, one can't blame too much referee.
DeleteAgreed with @David here, penalty is the expected decision, the attacker is probably smart and looks for the contact but that doesn’t mean you can neglect it and call for a play on, too much contact for it not to be a foul.
DeleteClear penalty to Ukraine. VAR should have intervened. My opinion
ReplyDeleteRegarding the UKRITA penalty appeal, for me both decisions are supportable (play on or penalty) and therefore I’d rather see a play on since a penalty should be super clear. Watching the replays I must say my spontaneous feeling is no foul, maybe there’s contact but I think penalties should be clearer than this.
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