Wednesday 2 December 2020

Champions League 2020/21 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 5 (II)

Referee appointments for 2020-21 UEFA Champions League Group Stage, Matchday 5.  Games to be played on 2 December 2020. 

2 December 2020

18:55 CET - Krasnodar (Stadium Krasnodar)
FC Krasnodar (RUS) - Stade Rennais FC (FRA) | Group E
Referee: William Collum (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Francis Connor (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: David McGeachie (SCO)
Fourth Official: Nicolas Walsh (SCO)
Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Constantine Hatzidakis (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Boško Jovanetić (SRB)
UEFA Delegate: Jovan Šurbatović (SRB)

18:55 CET - Istanbul (İstanbul Başakşehir Fatih Terim Stadyumu)
İstanbul Başakşehir FK (TUR) - RB Leipzig (GER) | Group H
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP) 
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: Guilllermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Diego Barbero Sevilla (ESP) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Darko Čeferin (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Orkhan Huseynzade (AZE)

21:00 CET - Seville (Estadio Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán)
Sevilla FC (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG) | Group E
Referee: Artur Dias (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Rui Licínio (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Paulo Soares (POR)
Fourth Official: Hugo Miguel (POR)
First test with remote VAR from Nyon (SUI):
Video Assistant Referee: Tiago Martins (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Luís Godinho (POR)
Back-up VAR team at stadium, ready to intervene in case of need:
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Peter Sippel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Emil Ubias (CZE)

21:00 CET - Dortmund (BVB Stadion)
Borussia Dortmund (GER) - S.S. Lazio (ITA) | Group F
Referee: Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devis (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez Del Palomar.(ESP)
Fourth Official: José Luis Munuera Montero (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Uno Tutk (EST)
UEFA Delegate: Per Eliasson (SWE)

21:00 CET - Bruges (Jan Breydelstadion)
Club Brugge (BEL) - Football Club Zenit (RUS) | Group F
Referee: Serdar Gozübüyük (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Joost van Zuilen (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Johan Balder (NED)
Fourth Official: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bas Nijhuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Medved (SVK) 
UEFA Delegate: Álvaro Albino (POR)

21:00 CET - Turin (Juventus Stadium)
Juventus (ITA) - FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) | Group G
Referee: Stéphanie Frappart (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Hicham Zakrani (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Mehdi Rahmouni (FRA)
Fourth Official: Karim Abed (FRA)  
Video Assistant Referee: Benoît Millot (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Jacques Antenen (SUI) Duncan Fraser (SCO)

21:00 CET - Budapest (Puskás Aréna)
Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN) - FC Barcelona (ESP) | Group G
Referee: Aleksei Kulbakov (BLR)
Assistant Referee 1: Dzmitry Zhuk (BLR)
Assistant Referee 2: Aleh Maslianka (BLR)
Fourth Official: Viktar Shymusik (BLR)
Video Assistant Referee: Vitaliy Meshkov (RUS)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Sergei Ivanov (RUS) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Lutz-Michael Fröhlich (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Peter Oskam (NED)

21:00 CET - Manchester (Old Trafford) 
Manchester United FC (ENG) - Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) | Group H
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Fabiano Preti (ITA) 
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Ingvarsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Georg Lüchinger (LIE)
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189 comments:

  1. Chefren30 November 2020 at 10:20

    Today there is a delay on uefa.com appointments still missing.

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    1. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 10:26

      Waiting for the appointments, I think that Krasnodar - Rennes and Brugge - Zenit are real battles for 3rd place and UEFA should appoint experienced officials. We can see it's not a case in Belgium - big game for the Dutchman then.

      Group G is decided already so I would appoint unexperienced First Group referees there. Maybe another debut?

      Group H is still open. Big names needed!

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    2. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 10:30

      Chefren do you know maybe how the last 6. round is usually appointed and when the information becomes public? Do they wait for all results from 5th round, and then appoint referees? Thank you!

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    3. Chefren30 November 2020 at 10:46

      On previous seasons, the pattern for appointments was:
      1) MD1 and 2
      2) MD3 and 4
      3) MD5 and 6

      This season the schedule has changed, I don't know how committee is working, considering also the difficult situation and many replacements to do.

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  2. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 10:26

    William Collum for FC Krasnodar

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  3. GO_REF30 November 2020 at 11:19

    Dias in Sevilla
    AR Rui and Paulo
    4 Hugo Miguel
    VAR Martins
    AVAR Godinho

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  4. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 11:29

    Yesterday in Italian Serie B a referee let a team play with 12 men for around 5 minutes. Thankfully it didn't influence the result.

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    1. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 11:36

      But he booked a player who received the autorization to get in the pitch and after 3 minutes he was sent off due to a foul. Listen to a former Italian referee, if Cosenza has recourse, the game could be repeated.

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    2. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 11:42

      Potentially yes. However the team that was "damaged" also won the game, so it is a very delicate situation.

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  5. per aspera ad astra30 November 2020 at 12:30

    Stéphanie Frappart will be appointed in Champions League?

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    1. Unknown30 November 2020 at 12:36

      Maybe in Istanbul, but is this too big for her,without being a el knockout match essentially

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  6. nikk30 November 2020 at 12:46

    MU - PSG ?? what happen ..

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  7. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 12:50

    ridiculous penalty call yesterday evening in Serie A in Cagliari vs Spezia match 90+3, resulting Cagliari lose two points:

    https://tinyurl.com/y6owjuqf

    ref: Valerio Marini, var: Piero Giacomelli

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    1. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 15:44

      Ref Valerio Marini is at his 4th appointment in serie A. He has been a Serie B referee for years. However, his performance was brilliant apart from that penalty (we can discuss about it being wrong or correct), as his last serie a appointment last month was brilliant too. I think Marini will have the chance to make more appearances in Serie A, thanks to the reunification of Serie A and Serie B referees group.

      As far as other Serie A games are concerned, there were very good performances by Massa and Di Bello. The latter officiated Napoli-Roma, after other 2-3 big matches already obtained this season. Unconvincing performance by Abisso in Milan-Fiorentina

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    2. Anonymous1 December 2020 at 08:35

      as i didn't see the whole match i can't either agree nor disagree with your opinion, but nevertheless, with VAR available in the match, you simply just can't give this kind of penalty today

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  8. Mikael W30 November 2020 at 12:54

    Appointments aren't out on FAME either, weird delay today.

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    1. Philipp S30 November 2020 at 12:57

      Probably only coincidence, but DFB also hasn't published tonight's appointments yet...
      Or the one IT guy, who does it all, is on vacation ;)

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    2. Forlan30 November 2020 at 13:53

      Maybe they have some issue in overall appointments for EL and CL, so they wait for the results of covid-test or some other information before publishing appointments.

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    3. Chefren30 November 2020 at 14:11

      The fact that some federations (Netherlands, Portugal) have already published the appointments of their referees (Gozubuyuk, Soares Dias) without being "stopped" by UEFA, should indicate that this isn't the reason. I rather think there are maybe some technical issues, otherwise all appointments would have been blocked.

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    4. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 14:14

      Surely they wouldn't change their policy in the middle of a matchday? If there was a new policy we should have experienced the same thing yesterday.
      Also, the Dutch federation publishes appointments quite often before UEFA announces them.

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    5. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 14:14

      Mikael, do you have access to FAME? Wow! :)

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    6. YoungBae™30 November 2020 at 14:27

      What is FAME?

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    7. greek ref30 November 2020 at 14:49

      Football Administration and Management Environment

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    8. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 15:45

      Where only people with UEFA roles have access!

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    9. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 16:16

      Maybe Mikael has a friend? :-)

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  9. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 15:46

    Orsato for MU-PAR? For sure he will get a match, given weird Serie A appointment as IV official.

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  10. ibracadabra30 November 2020 at 15:47

    whos the ref for man utd - psg

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  11. Forlan30 November 2020 at 16:20

    Appointments are out!

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  12. Daniele30 November 2020 at 16:21

    FRAPPART, SO HAPPY FOR YOU!

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  13. Referee 1230 November 2020 at 16:27

    Well, I wasn't so sure until now, but I think Frappart will be appointed for EURO next year...

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    1. Referee 1230 November 2020 at 16:31

      I realy expected Marciniak somewhere but looks like Matchday 6 is planned for him - which means max 2 matches for him this autumn. Very disappointing conaidering that some referees have 4 or 5 matches...

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    2. Unknown30 November 2020 at 16:33

      Just because she cant get CL female final she is getting male matchs.. There are so much better referees.

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    3. usaref30 November 2020 at 16:52

      I still don't understand this. She's given an (almost) meaningless MD5 appointment and she's going to leapfrog other male referees who have been consistently trusted with major matches?

      There's not many places to "hide" a referee at a men's EURO. With 3rd place teams advancing, nearly EVERY match is critical.

      I'm not saying Frappart isn't capable of it--I truly don't know. But UEFA's assignments do not demonstrate that THEY believe she is capable of it yet. If a male referee was making his UCL debut on this match, would you say he was likely to go to EURO next summer? The idea is preposterous.

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    4. Mikael W30 November 2020 at 17:00

      I have to disagree with usaref this time - I really think there is a good chance Frappart will be at the EURO (in some role) next summer and UEFA are explicitly preparing her for that.

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    5. Chiagozie30 November 2020 at 17:31

      Usaref, we are not saying she is going to the Euros because of her UCL appointment but the route she has taken to get there. Common Usaref you cannot undermine the fact that there is really something in the offing. Whether meaningless or not some referees haven't event smelt the Europa League group stage in their career but someone comes and makes thier Europa League debut and in the same very season makes her UCL and nations league debut, if we keep denying and saying it is just your regular appointment, common you are the one being preposterous, some Elite referees in their current nature cannot even get a UCL game at the moment. I am truly happy for Frappart, and I don't think she gets all this appointment because she can't handle the women's UCL, she has handled the world cup final, nothing beats that, she gets all this because UEFA wants to show inclusivity in the world of refereeing,,,, both male and female. If you look at that too leagues are promoting at least female referee to the top division and FIFA started it already with Esther Staubli in the U17 WC.

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    6. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 17:36

      Inclusivity and... public image!

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    7. YoungRef2 December 2020 at 21:51

      A good start to the game by Frappart

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    8. YoungRef2 December 2020 at 21:52

      Didn't Dynamo Kyiv receive a penalty in 36 '?

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    9. YoungRef2 December 2020 at 21:58

      Marciniak refereed the King's Connection Final on Saturday in Saudi Arabia, so it was hard after such a long trip to come back to the country and go straight to the Champions League match, in the last round of the Champions League there will be more important refereeing matches that will decide about leaving the group.

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  14. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 16:45

    No Irrati

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  15. Jan from DutchReferee.com30 November 2020 at 16:48

    Appointments online now:

    Man United - PSG: Orsato
    Ferencváros - Barecelona: Kulbakov
    Juventus - Dynamo Kyiv: Frappart
    Dortmund - Lazio: Mateu
    Sevilla - Chelsea: Dias
    Istanbul B. - Leipzig: del Cerro Grande
    Krasnodar - Rennes: Collum

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  16. Ref30 November 2020 at 16:52

    Bravo Stéphanie !! What an achievement !
    Maybe unfair for other male referees, but she deserves it 100%.
    Good luck !!!

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  17. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 16:52

    Krasnodar-Rennes: Collum - Connor, McGeachie - Walsh - Tierney, Hatzidakis.

    Istanbul Basaksehir-Leipzig: del Cerro Grande - Yuste, Fernandez - Cuadra Fernandez - Martínez Munuera, Barbero.

    Dortmund-Lazio: Mateu Lahoz - Cebrián Devís, del Palomar - Munuera Montero - Hernández, Sánchez.

    Juventus-Dynamo Kyiv: Frappart - Zakrani, Rahmouni - Abed - Millot, Willy.

    Ferencváros-Barcelona: Kulbakov - Zhuk, Maslyanko - Shimusik - Meshkov, Ivanov.

    Man. United-Paris: Orsato - Giallatini, Preti - Doveri - Guida, Di Bello.

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  18. Mikael W30 November 2020 at 16:59

    Sorry but I really can't share everyone's enthusiasm about Frappart's appointment; OF COURSE, I wish her all the best for a great performance on Wednesday.

    Çakır, Italian referees, handling interpretation, women appointments - Rosetti and especially Čeferin simply have a carte blanche do what they want in UEFA Refereeing, there is no accountability.

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    1. Nathan M.30 November 2020 at 17:14

      Last year Super Cup, EL debut in October, and now CL debut in the same group stage. Nothing against Frappart but this is so unfair for other referees...

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    2. AR130 November 2020 at 17:18

      Mikael, totally agree. For an unknown reason, unfortunately, achievements and performances aren't at the first place

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    3. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 17:20

      If a referee proves to be ready enough for top matches, why would he need to be appointed for lower matches unnecessarily.
      Those matches are useful for talented referees coming from minor countries, who can only get experience by officiating those matches, as unfortunately the cannot do in their home leagues.
      Frappart has been refereeing Ligue 1 for years now... so she should have good experience to handle this game. Same thing applies to Mariani and others who have been refereeing top clashes for years. Why would they need insignificant EL matches...

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    4. Nathan M.30 November 2020 at 17:33

      @Anonymous This is only her second year in Ligue 1 and she had her first top clash (Lyon - Marseille) in October this season. It takes years for other Ligue 1 referees to make their CL debut.

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    5. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 17:43

      Anonymous, she has been refereeing Ligue 1 for three years and 18 games. Compare her with, for example, Millot, who has had 23 Ligue 1 games this season alone and is not even close to Champions League. This shows to me how differently she is being treated compared to other referees and in my eyes, only because of UEFAs willingness to be "equal", not for the fact that she would be the best candidate for the match.

      Also, I can see a scenario where a bad performance by Frappart (or any other female referee) in a game that they have been assigned too early would eventually cause huge drawback to whole project of appointing female referees to male competitions.

      That being said, I wish all the best to Frappart and her team.

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    6. greek ref30 November 2020 at 17:54

      I am with Michael on this one. Apart from the fact that Frappart makes history, the appointment is very unfair for many referees.

      With 2 EL appointments and a NL with low difficulty, this appointment has only political value.

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    7. smala01730 November 2020 at 19:44

      I am split on the Frappart thing, I simply don’t know enough to take a strong opinion one way or the other.

      The default assumption is that she is there because UEFA believes she is a capable and qualified referee. Still, one can’t deny that she has seen an extremely, extremely fast rise through UEFA men’s competitions to be making her debut already. Indeed, no one else with as little (men’s) international experience as her would be making their CL debut already. However, I must once again point out that while she lacks in that area of experience, she makes up (at least in part) by having such an extensive experience in the women’s game (including a WWC Final) that none of her male colleagues have. The question is, how heavily should this women’s game experience weigh in UEFA’s evaluation of her talents? I am not knowledgeable enough about this topic to claim their evaluation is wrong.

      It certainly is starting to have the smell of a political / PR move, but we should give UEFA and Frappart the benefit of the doubt. If it is a PR move, that would be bad for a number of reasons: first and foremost, it would be unfair to other referees who deserve those matches more. Also, it would harm the long-term image of female referees, by giving off a lasting impression that their appointments are political, not based on merit.

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    8. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 21:32

      One could say that the Supercup final she officiated was also purely for PR purposes. So I'd argue that it is the same thing here

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    9. Chiagozie30 November 2020 at 23:20

      We keep shouting she makes up with the WWC final and I say she is not the first female referee to do that, I ll argue that we have more and more women who are more experienced in that regard

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    10. Anonymous1 December 2020 at 04:40

      Purely PR - it looks good for UEFA's image to have a woman referee in UCL and Euro!

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  19. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 17:16

    With this appointment, Frappart has shown to UEFA to be already mature and ready to handle a CL match. Very fast career due to high quality performances. Bravo Stéphanie!
    Very strange that Irrati has not been appointed. He was regularly VAR in Serie A yesterday though.

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  20. Lde30 November 2020 at 17:45

    So, Kulbakov's first (and most likely last) appointment to CL. In the previous season, there were Lille - Chelsea (02.10.2019), Atalanta - Manchester City (06.11.2019). It has been more than year.

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    1. smala01730 November 2020 at 21:18

      Disappointing for him, wasn't he very close to becoming elite last year? Seems like he is farther from that goal.

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    2. xabi30 November 2020 at 22:40

      He is elite referee

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    3. Lde30 November 2020 at 23:24

      Yes, of course. But last season he had matches confirming his status. In addition to the CL, there was Euro qualifiers, a very important Denmark - Switzerland. And (oops) Austria - Slovenia :)

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    4. smala0171 December 2020 at 00:49

      Oh wow, I forgot he was elite already... is it just me or do I feel like the Elite list feels a lot smaller than it really is?

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    5. Anonymous1 December 2020 at 04:37

      It is Kulbakov's second UCL appointment; he was replaced on the first one, if I recall correctly.

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  21. refereeing30 November 2020 at 18:19

    What about Schärer (SUI)? After the first good game in CL (Barcelona vs Ferencvaros), two in EL and one in Nations League A, it seems he's not appointed anymore..

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    1. Chefren30 November 2020 at 18:39

      He had many appointments in the early matchdays and Nations League as well.
      It would be normal to see him directly appointed for a crucial game on MD6. But I'm quite sure he will already appear tomorrow for EL games...

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    2. Anonymous1 December 2020 at 04:34

      Why not use him (or others) as replacement rather than those who already have 4-5 matches?

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    3. The world of football according to Vuzinho1 December 2020 at 07:52

      According to the website of the Swiss Football League (www.sfl.ch), Sandro Schärer will be the referee for the match Servette-FC Zürich tomorrow, Wednesday December 2 at 18.15 local time.

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    4. Referee1 December 2020 at 13:20

      He has an appointment for CL MD6, but unclear which game...

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    5. Chefren2 December 2020 at 17:09

      Ony the involved officials know the exact game.

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  22. Dino30 November 2020 at 18:28

    It seems clear chat UEFA is gong to have a preferred way for female referees. Without all steps that are necessary for male referees

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    1. smala01730 November 2020 at 20:22

      Possibly, but looking at it another way around, none of her male competitors had to take all the steps that she had to take. None of them have, for example, the experience of working a global FIFA final that she does.

      Indeed, they have taken different *paths* to get there, no one can deny that. If those paths are of the same merit, there’s nothing wrong with that. I do agree it’s starting to seem a bit suspicious that the appointments may be of a political nature, but, for now, I think we should give UEFA and Frappart the benefit of the doubt that UEFA actually does think her qualifications equal that of her male counterparts.

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    2. Anonymous30 November 2020 at 20:42

      The best way is to compare with other French referees and their domestic appointments. If we look at Champions League appointments, she should be a top 5 ref in France. I don't think that's the case, based on appointments.

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    3. smala01730 November 2020 at 20:58

      True, but it is also possible France is the one who is wrong.

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    4. Anonymous1 December 2020 at 04:32

      Is it true that, starting in 2021, there will only be one list for FIFA referees (men and women combined), as opposed to separate men's and women's lists? If that is the case, will the women referees have to pass the same fitness test as the men referees, with the same reference times?

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    5. smala0171 December 2020 at 06:43

      Yes that is true regarding the merged FIFA lists. I'm not sure what will happen with the fitness requirements.

      I do like the change though. There is no reason to separate the two lists, in my opinion; men and women should both be available to officiate games of both genders.

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    6. Anonymous1 December 2020 at 07:51

      The reason for separate lists was exactly the fitness requirements. One list should have identical requirements. Same rights to referee any gamed should be based on same requirements and qualifications.

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  23. Forlan30 November 2020 at 18:50

    Regarding Frappart, I wonder one thing: why doesnt she have female ARs? I am sure that there are some good female assistants in France, let alone in Europe, that could participate in men competitions.

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    1. Referee 1230 November 2020 at 19:47

      Non of French female assistant referees is officiating in First league, I think that is the reason. That is why only Frappart and Monzul are getting male matches. Monzul however does have female assistants since they are officiating on First Ukraine league.

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  24. Fidje1 December 2020 at 09:26

    One thing is still not mentioned in the discussion about the appointment of Frappart. Is it possible within the guidelines of the UEFA? As we all know there are different refereeing groups with a set of competitions matching the group. So Elite will mostly do CL; Gr 1 EL etc. How is this with the matches for womens elite? Is men's CL already been added as possible matches for all these referees?

    And the other way around. Most competition formats/regulations have a paragraph in where is mentioned which level of referee is eligble to do a match. For example here in the Netherlands not every dutch FA referee can is allowed to handle a match on top amateur level. There is minimum level described for this. How is this within UEFA? Is there a rule for CL that states that referees need to have a certain level?

    I have nothing personal against any of the women referees who get an appointment and whish them all the best and great matches on every level.

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    1. Anonymous1 December 2020 at 09:37

      In UEFA, there isn't any written rule about that.

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    2. Anonymous1 December 2020 at 15:55

      There are actually several UEFA documents (Referee Terms and Conditions, Referee Guidelines, Champions League Handbook, etc), but they were not made by UEFA in the last 5 years or so. If someone has access to them, maybe could let us know the details?

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    3. Anonymous1 December 2020 at 15:56

      *not made public

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  25. greek ref1 December 2020 at 11:54

    VAR will be in Nyon for the Sevilla - Chelsea match.

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-champions-sev-che-preview/var-to-operate-out-of-nyon-for-sevilla-v-chelsea-champions-league-game-idUKKBN28B4JP

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    1. Anonymous1 December 2020 at 12:01

      Pinheiro and Veríssimo in backup team will still operate onsite at the Ramon Sanchez-Pizjuan Stadium ?

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    2. GO_REF1 December 2020 at 12:04

      No, are Paolo Valeri and Ciro Carbone.

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    3. Chefren1 December 2020 at 12:29

      So Tiago Martins (POR) and Luís Godinho (POR) in Nyon while Paolo Valeri (ITA) and Ciro Carbone (ITA) at stadium?
      Do you have a source for the Italian appointments, GO_REF?

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    4. GO_REF1 December 2020 at 12:35

      Yes :)
      https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/chelsea-sevilla-uefa-var-news-19377241

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    5. Chefren1 December 2020 at 13:11

      Thank you, very kind.

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    6. Anonymous1 December 2020 at 13:32

      Will you add the backup VARs in the table?

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    7. smala0172 December 2020 at 12:20

      Interesting, and makes for quite a unique-looking assignment.

      What do you guys think about a remote VAR? I think in-stadium is preferable, but a remote office would make it easier to get the infrastructure to all stadiums (important for Europa League especially).

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    8. Philipp S2 December 2020 at 16:33

      An advantage of a central location would be, that UEFA can do short meetings with all appointed VARs before and/or after the matches to discuss situations and guidelines. This should help with uniformity.
      It's probably also easier in terms of replacements. One could have one backup team (including operators) ready in Nyon for the three CL/EL days, which is used, where necessary.
      VARs could also be used on consecutive days more easily.

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  26. Dmitry1 December 2020 at 12:38

    So, a women trio for Ghent - Slovan: Monzul, Ardasheva, Streletskaya|announced by Ukrainian Association of Football:
    https://www.facebook.com/andriy.pavelko/posts/3475062155912741

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  27. Chefren2 December 2020 at 15:53

    The situation of group B for next week's games is a real problem for Rosetti, indeed all big names have been alredy appointed in this group, in addition Skomina is out for injury and Italian / Spanish / German referees can't be there.
    There is only Marciniak as last option, but we gave two games to cover.
    I think that we will have an extra-ordinary appointment either in Milan or Madrid, with a referee appearing again in the same group.
    Marciniak and...?

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    1. Philipp S2 December 2020 at 15:55

      Oliver should be possible.

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    2. Chefren2 December 2020 at 15:57

      Yes Oliver only option, but in a game we have an Italian team at its last chance (people will remember Real - Juventus) in the other game we have Real... well, for sure would be a very brave appointment by Rosetti. I wouldn't bet on Oliver I rather think we will have another choice.

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    3. Anonymous2 December 2020 at 16:16

      Let me suggest a very provocative appointment, although I myself honestly do not see it coming, yet will write it down here anyway. In previous years, it was quite common that a referee on the borderline to be selected for a major tournament got a "big last test" game. It could be the case this time again with a ref considered for Euro. So, in case of a successful performance tonight, my crazy suggestion is another Italian-Ukrainian game (Inter-Shakhtar) for... Stephanie Frappart. :-)

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    4. Ref_17072 December 2020 at 16:39

      Turpin or Kuipers seem likely to me. Indeed, they have already officiated in Group B but there has been some space between their last games.

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    5. greek ref2 December 2020 at 17:03

      What about Soares Dias?

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    6. Chefren2 December 2020 at 17:11

      Soares Dias would make a significant step in case of such appointment, I think he could handle Inter - Shakhtar with Marciniak in Madrid. But today he has Sevilla - Chelsea, valid only for first and second place in the group (not important for committee) and with VAR test. Would be a totally different appointment in a week, very difficult to happen.

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    7. Anonymous2 December 2020 at 18:31

      Çakir had Gladbach-Shakthar last week

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    8. GO_REF2 December 2020 at 18:48

      Or opt for an extraordinary appointment or Soares Dias seems to viable. He needs a game like this to gain space within the big names.

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    9. RefSoccer34122 December 2020 at 20:08

      My predictions Group B :

      Real Madrid - Borussia M'Gladbach : Szymon Marciniak (POL)

      Internazionale Milano - Shakthar Donezk : Michael Oliver (ENG)

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    10. Chiagozie2 December 2020 at 20:38

      Well as long as the italian team involved isn't Juve then Oliver should be fine and also he should be fine for any Real Madrid match because the whole brouhaha was all about decision against Juventus, nothing really against Madrid. That being said, I expect a Tobias Stieler esque appointment between Liverpool vs Ajax, I expect such appointment in that group.

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    11. Anonymous2 December 2020 at 20:59

      Brych was surely kept for an important match on MD6

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    12. xabi2 December 2020 at 22:10

      My prediction: Kuipers in Madrid and Marciniak in Milan

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  28. Referee analyst2 December 2020 at 19:16

    17 ´ : Collum showed again that he haven’t skills to be Top Elite referee as Kuipers or Cakir and Skomina. Penalty appeal (IMO clear one), at least OFR needed and Tierney is sleeping. And just after, very important foul by Krasnodar player (at least YC minimum) and no reaction by Scottish ref...poor management here...

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  29. Referee analyst2 December 2020 at 19:20

    23 ‘ : both correct YC for Nzonzi and Ramirez but i wonder how it’ s possible to not check action like PK appeal at 17...

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  30. Referee analyst2 December 2020 at 19:24

    Collum is better now. Third YC for Wanderson. Good one.

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  31. Anonymous2 December 2020 at 19:28

    IMO while more a penalty than not the incident in 17' is supportable play on, correct no intervention from Tierney. However very clear reckless yellow card missed in build up by Collum. 3 YC issued all correct and no other issues. 8.3 level performance so far IMO

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    1. Referee analyst2 December 2020 at 19:47

      Disagree about no VAR intervention. Concerning Rennes’s history in CL with PK decisions and vital importance of the match, I tend clearly for an OFR here. Agree about others words ! ;)

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  32. Referee analyst2 December 2020 at 20:07

    54’: now very very harsh YC for Siliki...was more simple foul than YC here. Inconsistent disciplinary control by Collum.

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  33. ET2 December 2020 at 20:29

    I have to disagree and say I don’t think it was a penalty. I absolutely do agree that he is not an elite referee. His close relationship with Mr Dallas being the only reason he is there. This performance again highlights his lack of awareness, positional sense and speed, acceptance from players and nervousness.

    His season in Scotland has been disastrous but his last two appointments in Europe must have been considered acceptable by Uefa and allowed this return to champions league.

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  34. Andrasch Neunert2 December 2020 at 20:32

    Extremely soft YC for Upamecano by del Cerro Grande, who shows problems in making the difference between fouls and hard, but fair attacks. Arrogant approach to players. He does not convince me at all.

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  35. RefSoccer34122 December 2020 at 21:22

    Possibe red card in Manchester by Orsato

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    1. RefSoccer34122 December 2020 at 21:24

      Final decision : Orsato gives yellow card for Fred (Manchester United)

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    2. Upstylon2 December 2020 at 21:24

      Yellow card given, UB or VC?

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    3. Chefren2 December 2020 at 21:24

      You already know my opinion... I agree with VAR, this should have been RC.

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    4. Upstylon2 December 2020 at 21:26

      I personally would have prefer RC here. Not excessive force is irrevelant in a headbutt. But I think Orsato was thinking about not falling for Paredes' vicious and malicious reaction.

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    5. Referee 122 December 2020 at 21:26

      IMO YC is supportable call there, RC would be to harsh for me...

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    6. RefSoccer34122 December 2020 at 21:28

      Agree. For me is red card for Fred. I think Orsato
      does not count as violent acts but a bit of a head butt.

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    7. RefSoccer34122 December 2020 at 21:28

      *light head butt

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    8. Philipp S2 December 2020 at 21:30

      "The force is negligible" must be his argument according to the LotG.
      I also would prefer a RC here.

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    9. Anonymous2 December 2020 at 21:33

      Yes but the whole thing started with the missed elbow just before. The rest is a result of that missed whistle

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    10. wwjd2 December 2020 at 21:37

      I agree YC is supportable I've rewatched the situation a couple times for me RC would be harsh

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  36. Ref2 December 2020 at 21:25

    Missed RC by Orsato. Absolutely uncomprehensible decision, clear violent conduct !!!

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  37. Hans2 December 2020 at 21:25

    Very strange decision to give a yc to Fred. And he only watch the screen for 2 seconds.

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  38. Ref_17072 December 2020 at 21:31

    I disagree. YC is fine as the opponent totally exaggerates the contact and tries to 'provoke' a RC. It's an unsporting behaviour which correctly leads to a caution. It's not a headbutt.

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    1. Nathan M.2 December 2020 at 21:36

      Even if the opposent tried to provoke the contact, it is a headbutt and should be punished by a RC IMO

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    2. Chiagozie2 December 2020 at 21:37

      I tend to feel arrogance from Orsato there because that decision is inexplicable

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    3. Ref_17072 December 2020 at 21:39

      It would be, but it is not in my view. It's a head-to-head situation but not an action towards the opponent's head. That is why a YC is correct for me.

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    4. Upstylon2 December 2020 at 21:42

      If arrogance there is, why? VAR shows him a situation he missed, not one he judged differently. It would be absolutely unexplainable, it's a missed incident more than a clear and obvious error

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    5. YoungRef2 December 2020 at 22:45

      82 'YC for Van de Beek for the reckless attack

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  39. Philipp S2 December 2020 at 21:34

    Correct penalty by Kulbakov.
    No card (SPA) is also acceptable, but borderline to YC (DOGSO) there, I think.

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  40. Ref2 December 2020 at 21:40

    Wrong YC now for Paredes and YC missed for Fred who shouldn’t be here... Terrible refereeing so far

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    1. Hans2 December 2020 at 21:46

      Agree. Fred is the most happiest man on the pitch tonight

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    2. Philipp S2 December 2020 at 21:47

      Difficult situation. Live it looked like a clearly reckless tackling by Paredes. In the replays the tackling looked less bad - and Fred stepped on his foot. But can he really be blamed for that or was it only bad luck - I am not sure.

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    3. Anonymous2 December 2020 at 21:48

      Not an easy interpretation IMO. Overall Fred plays the ball and Paredes commits the foul. This was my impression on live and at normal speed replay. However, Fred also hits Paredes. No protests at all by Paredes when he gets yellow card, I am sure that at normal speed everyone thought it was Paredes' foul.

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    4. Jonas2 December 2020 at 21:52

      Never second YC to me. Paredes tackles into Fred and is stamped on his foot by the English player. It‘s not Fred‘s fault when Paredes tackles into him.

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  41. Mikael W2 December 2020 at 21:46

    During WC 2014, one could at least console himself knowing that UEFA games would be properly officiated once the tournament ended. And to UEFA's credit, for two seasons they did manage to resist 'Busacca-ism' and offer sensible refereeing in their games.

    Now, week after week I really can't believe what I see in UEFA-officiated games. It's unbelievable that Orsato didn't dismiss Fred after OFR (whatever some commenters say, sorry). It's a real shame they sold themselves out in my opinion.

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    1. Chefren2 December 2020 at 21:52

      I fully agree, that's my view as well, and the recent trend is definitely shocking, if you ask me. We are not so far away from abolishing directly all red cards just to keep all players on the field and to allow them everything.

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  42. Chefren2 December 2020 at 21:47

    Interesting situation with Borussia 1-0. Good assessment by AR1, the player who scored was ONSIDE, but there was another player in offside who was about to get the ball. Did he influence the opponent with his presence by impeding him to reach the ball? An OFR wouldn't have been 100% wrong, but in this case offide would be extremely harsh and just "on paper" decision... the effects were not so much clear, so I agree with final choice.

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  43. Refsav2 December 2020 at 21:48

    Orsato having a terrible night so far two awful calls, both involving Fred who shouldn’t be on the pitch right now, for violent conduct which he should’ve got red card for. Then gave a caution to Paredes when it was cruelly Fred who committed the foul which he could’ve easily got a second yellow card for.

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  44. wwjd2 December 2020 at 21:49

    It's not arrogance from Orsato the YC is very supportable the contact doesn't rise to the level of VC. It's more a head bump then a head butt

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  45. Anonymous2 December 2020 at 21:51

    Orsato is an absolute disaster tonight. Really sorry to say that, but Im not seeing any control and a real shame that fred is still on the pitch with 2 fouls worthy of a RC...

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  46. Ref_17072 December 2020 at 21:53

    Missed VC by Orsato in 44' against Neymar? What do you say, intentional step on Neymar's ankle or accidental?

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    1. Anonymous2 December 2020 at 21:55

      Please... according to some commenters there should be a red card for everything and violent conduct every time players touch each other

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    2. Upstylon2 December 2020 at 21:57

      Actually, it seems that while sitting in the ground Neymar pushed McTominay who fell stepping on his opponent. I consider this as accidental personally

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    3. Philipp S2 December 2020 at 22:05

      Doesn't look that accidental to me, because he knows Neymar's position and his reaction was not, what you would expect after an accident (e.g. an apology...)
      But nearly impossible to be sure about that - and you should be that for a RC.

      Interestingly, although we mostly consider it, the LotG actually don't require intention for violent conduct. It does only require "excessive force" and strictly by the wording it is irrelevant, whether that force is deliberate or accidental.

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  47. Anonymous2 December 2020 at 21:56

    Terrible decision in Dortmund by Lahoz's team about offside incident. No VAR intervention...

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  48. Ref_17072 December 2020 at 22:17

    Good penalty decision by Gozübüyük. I can imagine that it was not easy to detect the step on the attacker's foot as the other defender clearly played the ball.

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    1. Anonymous2 December 2020 at 22:24

      Agreed, but should have been a caution as well. Immediately after half-time a correctly disallowed goal for Zenit for scoring with the arm, where a caution would also be appropriate.

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  49. Ref2 December 2020 at 22:19

    Foul on Marquinhos not whistled, offside of Cavani not raised and it results in a YC for Verratti... A complete disaster

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  50. Referee analyst2 December 2020 at 22:19

    So :
    - foul missed by Orsato on Marquinhos (blood at face) : YC missed
    - obvious offside after (clear one) and consequently YC for Verrati.
    Sorry but Orsato is completely poor today...

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  51. Chefren2 December 2020 at 22:22

    Penalty to Lazio another decision that can be discussed in my opinion...

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    1. Anonymous2 December 2020 at 22:27

      IMO wrong decision.

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    2. Philipp S2 December 2020 at 22:29

      Yes, player starts falling before the contact.

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    3. Andrasch Neunert2 December 2020 at 22:41

      A classical diver, he is sort of flying to get the penalty... Poor decision, no VAR, OH MY...

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  52. Lde2 December 2020 at 22:23

    Frappart... Was second goal legal?

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    1. Philipp S2 December 2020 at 22:33

      Indeed looked offside at the second last pass, but I hope, we can trust VAR here. I have not seen any conclusive replay yet.

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  53. RefSoccer34122 December 2020 at 22:28

    2nd yellow card for Fred by Orsato. Correct decision

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  54. Mareska2 December 2020 at 22:28

    What is happen with Orsato??? He missed stadium!

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  55. Chefren2 December 2020 at 22:28

    Finally Fred got his red card.

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    1. Cassius2 December 2020 at 22:30

      In addition fully deserved, but I don‘t think this was a YC offense.
      Great double onside by AR1 before PSG goal.

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    2. Referee analyst2 December 2020 at 22:30

      But was the hell Orsato waiting for to play on after the ref card ? Fred stayed long seconds near line for unexpected reason ? Where was the fourth official here ?

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    3. Andrasch Neunert2 December 2020 at 22:42

      He begged for it...

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  56. Lde2 December 2020 at 22:28

    There is no explanation for Lahoz penalty.

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  57. Mareska2 December 2020 at 22:30

    Ofdside for PSG second goal? VAR!?

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    1. Matio2 December 2020 at 22:31

      No offside correct decision

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    2. Referee analyst2 December 2020 at 22:31

      No offside here. Good call by AR1 !

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    3. Philipp S2 December 2020 at 22:34

      Rare nowadays that two players are on exactly the same line regarding offside.

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    4. ASReferee2 December 2020 at 22:40

      https://imgur.com/8d1ZkTy
      i would like to see the lines for this one, it is close.

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  58. bingo112 December 2020 at 22:31

    Wrong second YC, missed offside. Horrible Orsato

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    1. wwjd2 December 2020 at 22:40

      Second goal was onside var confirmed the goal

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  59. Chefren2 December 2020 at 22:32

    The second YC by Orsato is very soft, tackle on the ball but then also opponent, can be supported, but looking back at what the player did before... well.

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    1. Philipp S2 December 2020 at 22:35

      Yes, I completely agree.

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    2. Cassius2 December 2020 at 22:40

      Looked a bit like Orsato was thankful that Fred gave him this final opportunity to send him off.

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    3. Andrasch Neunert2 December 2020 at 22:44

      For me a clear YC. Sure he plays the ball, but going into your opponent like that risks his health and cannot be accepted.

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  60. Anonymous2 December 2020 at 22:32

    Italian referee has ruined match in Manchester.

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  61. Referee 122 December 2020 at 22:38

    Not so good performance by Orsato tonight if you ask me. Ingvarsson and Orsato and later Rosetti and Orsato might have long discusions on tonight's performance...

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  62. RefSoccer34122 December 2020 at 22:40

    Correct penalty to Chelsea by Soares Dias

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  63. Lde2 December 2020 at 22:44

    It seems like a good match for Gozübüyük with several important decisions without help of VAR. And he changed his manners, he got much better.

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  64. Chefren2 December 2020 at 22:44

    Very long OFR by Soares Dias but then no penalty for handball.
    One can understand the reasons behind this choice (deflection on another part of the body before, player trying a tackle), but question is: was that VAR stuff? I think rather wrong intervention there...

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  65. Anonymous2 December 2020 at 22:45

    Wrong Decision by Dias - clear penalty missed, even after VAR.

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  66. wwjd2 December 2020 at 22:46

    Actually I disagree this has been a really difficult game to officiate and Orsato has done an admirable job right know I would say 8.5

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  67. Jackson2 December 2020 at 22:46

    Why on earth has Dias not given another penalty to Chelsea after VAR review?!? Arm is above the shoulder and it doesn't come directly from the players own foot. You can debate whether you like the rule but by the law it is 100% a penalty. Is a team already being 4-0 down now a reason not to give a penalty?

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  68. Mareska2 December 2020 at 22:49

    It is not clear second yellow... Must be clear..

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