Referee appointments for 2020-21 UEFA Champions League Group Stage, Matchday 6. Games to be played on 8 December 2020.
8 December 2020
S.S. Lazio (ITA) - Club Brugge (BEL) | Group F
Referee: Cüneyt Çakır (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bahattin Duran (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tarik Ongun (TUR)
Fourth Official: Hüseyin Göçek (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Abdulkadir Bitigen (TUR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nikolai Ivanov (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Jan Willem Van Dop (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Bahattin Duran (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tarik Ongun (TUR)
Fourth Official: Hüseyin Göçek (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Abdulkadir Bitigen (TUR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nikolai Ivanov (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Jan Willem Van Dop (NED)
18:55 CET - St. Petersburg (Saint Petersburg Stadium)
Football Club Zenit (RUS) - Borussia Dortmund (GER) | Group F
Referee: István Kovács (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Vasile Florin Marinescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Mihai Ovidiu Artene (ROU)
Fourth Official: Marius Avram (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Elmir Pilav (BIH)
UEFA Delegate: Igor Radojičić (SRB)
Assistant Referee 1: Vasile Florin Marinescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Mihai Ovidiu Artene (ROU)
Fourth Official: Marius Avram (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Elmir Pilav (BIH)
UEFA Delegate: Igor Radojičić (SRB)
21:00 CET - Rennes (Roazhon Park)
Stade Rennais FC (FRA) - Sevilla FC (ESP) | Group E
Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Marcin Boniek (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Jakub Winkler (POL)
Fourth Official: Daniel Stefański (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Marcin Boniek (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Jakub Winkler (POL)
Fourth Official: Daniel Stefański (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Raczkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Hansson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Frédéric Veraghaenne (BEL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Raczkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Hansson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Frédéric Veraghaenne (BEL)
21:00 CET - London (Stamford Bridge)
Chelsea FC (ENG) - FC Krasnodar (RUS) | Group E
Referee: Pavel Královec (CZE)
Assistant Referee 1: Jan Paták (CZE)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomas Mokrusch (CZE)
Fourth Official: Miroslav Zelinka (CZE)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Michael Thomas Ross (NIR)
UEFA Delegate: Paolo Rondelli (SMR)
Assistant Referee 1: Jan Paták (CZE)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomas Mokrusch (CZE)
Fourth Official: Miroslav Zelinka (CZE)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Michael Thomas Ross (NIR)
UEFA Delegate: Paolo Rondelli (SMR)
21:00 CET - Kyiv (NSK Olimpiyskiy)
FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) - Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN) | Group G
Referee: Andreas Ekberg (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Mehmet Culum (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Hallberg (SWE)
Fourth Official: Kristoffer Karlsson (SWE)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Daniel Siebert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Nils Fisketjonn (NOR)
Assistant Referee 1: Mehmet Culum (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Hallberg (SWE)
Fourth Official: Kristoffer Karlsson (SWE)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Daniel Siebert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Nils Fisketjonn (NOR)
21:00 CET - Barcelona (Camp Nou)
FC Barcelona (ESP) - Juventus (ITA) | Group G
Referee: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Pickel (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Fourth Official: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: René Rohde (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bertrand Layec (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Marcin Stefański (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Pickel (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Fourth Official: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: René Rohde (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bertrand Layec (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Marcin Stefański (POL)
21:00 CET - Leipzig (RB Arena)
RB Leipzig (GER) - Manchester United FC (ENG) | Group H
Referee: Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devis (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez del Palomar (ESP)
Fourth Official: Fábio José Costa Veríssimo (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Fritz Stuchlik (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Petr Fousek (CZE)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devis (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez del Palomar (ESP)
Fourth Official: Fábio José Costa Veríssimo (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Fritz Stuchlik (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Petr Fousek (CZE)
21:00 CET - Paris (Parc des Princes)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - İstanbul Başakşehir FK (TUR) | Group H
Referee: Ovidiu Alin Hațegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Sovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Eugen Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Costantin Coltescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jon Skjervold (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Roland Tis (BEL)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Sovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Eugen Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Costantin Coltescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jon Skjervold (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Roland Tis (BEL)
Daniel Stefański fourth official in Rennes.
ReplyDeleteMarciniak for this game?
It seems as UEFA has technical issues in releasing appointments.
I think Marciniak will go on group B.
DeleteFor this game probably Raczkowski.
Maybe a Czech official with an polish 4th official, like Orel in EL on Thursday. So Maybe Kralovec in Rennes?
DeleteMarciniak ist in Rennes VAR mit ein junger Schiri Frankowski
DeleteInsider writes in German : Marcniak is VAR in Rennes with a polish young referee Bartosz Frankowski.
DeleteAnother CL suspension for Marciniak? Well, would be deserved but I'm terrified what happened with this referee. He was literally faultless when reaching elite and seasons after that, we were talking about him as one of favourites to handle EL and CL final next years. But now he is worse from season to season. This season is a real nightmare for him.
DeleteIf true then it looks like referees will face consequences of too frequent big mistakes even if they are 'great leaders', 'have good rapport with players', etc. That's good from Rosetti I think.
If confirmed, indeed it would be surprising both for Bartosz Frankowski CL debut (absolutely unexpected for me) and Szymon Marciniak still out from appointments as main referee. Harsh punishment by committee in that case. Let's see!
DeleteNach dem 5. Spieltag gab es viele Änderungen durch Covid 19. Marcinaks Spiel in der CL wurde auch korrigiert. Er pfeift jetzt in der EL ein Spiel von ausgeschiedenen Teams.
DeleteGerman translation Insider:
DeleteAfter the 5th matchday there were many changes due to Covid 19. Marciniak's CL match was replaced as well.
Now, he will referee an EL match with teams, who both have no chance for the next group already.
I agree with Anonymous - Marciniak was simply INCREDIBLE in the 2014-17 period, almost totally faultless (I can remember only two mistakes - missed SFP in Dynamo Kyiv - Fiorentina; missed penalty in Juventus - Barcelona).
DeleteEven through his period of bad form, I found his courageous style and ability to connect with key actors in his games simply excellent and top class.
It was only after Covid break that he seemed to really 'lose it' - I found his approach to the Atlético - Leipzig quite shocking and disappointing, even if his performance was okay overall.
It's remarkable: Marciniak seemed 'on top of the world' for so long; and now...
Mikael, I think it started earlier. In the WC 2018 his performance was also not very good
Deletei think so, too...there was a crucial wrong dogso situation in germany-sweden, after only a couple of minutes. clear foul by boateng outside the box, missed rc...
Deletebut also to mention: we shouldn't speculate too much on marciniak being "punished" for anything...in these days with the covid-situation maybe he was tested positive and has to stay at home...who knows?? maybe he got injured? maybe he has travel-ban? maybe he has family issues? in my eyes there are too many "maybes" :-)
Deletemarciniak has not tested positive. He was scheduled for the Europa League in the wake of changes in line-up due to Covid ud makes VAR in Rennes for Frankowski's debut.
DeleteSafe!
Can somebody find a video of that Boateng YC vs Sweden? I can’t find a video of it and I don’t really remember it.
Deleteit's kinda interesting with Marciniak. Last weekend he refereed a game in polish league. However a week ago he was scheduled but ended up being replaced
DeleteAppointments - Bundesliga Germany
ReplyDeleteMatchday 10:
6th December
15:30 Werder Bremen - VfB Stuttgart
Frank Willenborg - Arne Aarnink - Marcel Unger - Robert Wessel
[Robert Kampka - Markus Häcker]
18:00 FC Schalke - Bayer Leverkusen
Benjamin Cortus - Florian Heft - Marco Achmüller - Benedikt Kempkes
[Sven Waschitzki - Christian Fischer]
Again no Zwayer... maybe COVID?
ReplyDeleteWe don't know, but it is possible.
DeleteHis ARs are also appointed regulary (e. g. Achmüller today in Bundesliga).
When was his last match (international or national)?
DeleteIt was Nationally, 2. Bundesliga on 23th November...
DeleteLast match : 2nd Bundesliga VFL Osnabrück - 1. FC Nürnberg 1-4 (23nd November 2020)
DeleteIt looks like a 14-day quarantine period...
DeleteSpeaking of German referees, has Brych been in action recently?
DeleteBrych refereed Friday's city derby Hertha BSC - Union Berlin in Bundesliga. One can expect him for CL this week I think.
DeleteFor sure, since he got a break on MD5.
DeleteLuckily the Belgians still have some UEFA delegates ( in absence of referee appointments) :-)
ReplyDeletesee www.wewantVisserinchampionsleague.com
I hope for the debut of Lawrence Visser (Belgium) in CL.
ReplyDeleteMaybe I lost something on the road..
ReplyDeleteBut Marciniak refereed PSG-Leipzig well! Why only an appointment as ref and always VAR?
This is indeed strange, the appointment for PSG - Leipzig looks like a weird one in the context of the rest of group stage for him.
DeleteI am sorry, but I think you're a little forgetful ;).
DeleteIn Leipzip-PSG Marciniak whistled IMO a wrong penalty for PSG in min15, but tbh it was not a clear mistake for VAR.
And he missed also a clear penalty for a handball in Min55. There was a OFR.
in my opinion he refereed not well with this two mistakes.
For me the situation of Marciniak is strange, he made mistake in Turkey-Russia, but he refereed important match Leipzig-PSG very well, he was 2 as VAR, I dont understand completly What happend in this season, last he was strong candidate to EL or CL final, and he was very often main referee, In This we have situation, Where one some groups referees has 4-5 matches, for me, that’s odd
ReplyDeleteNot odd at all. The list of Marciniak's unacceptable-at-this-level mistakes this season is very big. You shouldn't be rewarded for awarding a penalty for a textbook example of undeliberate handling, for issuing only a YC for the clearest DOGSO-no attempt to play the ball offence, for awarding a penalty for a clearest dive ever, etc. And in Leipzig-PSG he was not sooo good either...
DeleteWBA-Crystal Palace RC after OFR:
ReplyDeletehttps://streamja.com/3nApA
Watching the last replay (last 10 seconds), it looks more like a YC to me. I am not disappointed by the decision, but is it really an OFR material according to LOTG?
"Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, *regardless of whether contact is made*."
DeleteHe (tries to) kick him in a particularly painful part of the anatomy. I can vouch for that! So for me a clear Violent Conduct.
When PGMOL have a stricter approach than UEFA, maybe one can reflect that sth has gone wrong somewhere. :D
Haha yeah, although when I think of Atkinson, Friend or for example Chris Kavanagh in some games, I wouldnt be so sure about stricter approach.
DeleteIf this will be the criteria appllied elsewhere, then ok. But I am not sure that this would be always for any ref in England a RC.
I didn't expect such an approach at PL level. Good VAR intervention (unlike last season when the referee couldn't see the monitor) and decision at the end.
DeleteIMO a clear RC and a good VAR intervention.
Deletehttps://streamable.com/3hm7va
Delete- Same situation in Wolves vs Leeds earlier this season, probably the hit was even worse, and no VAR intervention.
The real problem is the total lack of consistency in English refereeing. For the same incident, you might receive a RC or you might completely get away with it.
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ReplyDeleteSurprised ! CL Debut for Frankowski
DeleteMarciniak is out for Wednesday.
Wow, what a debut for Frankowski! He had many VAR blunders in Polish Ekstraklasa but overall is a decent referee. I didn't expect that so quickly after promotion to First!
DeleteSorry but I can't really accept this choice by UEFA as meritocratic - Frankowski is a decent referee, when did he show manner / presence / leadership style on a CL level? At least I haven't seen it.
DeleteDebut as 'compensation' for the (justified) punishment for Marciniak? That's all I can think of. And what about Peljto, Dabanović, Tohver? Even Rumšas.
(Of course, I wish Frankowski and his team a very successful night on Tuesday!)
Still, better to wait for uefa.com, nothing against you, YoungRef, but I prefer to read the names on the official site.
DeleteVery surprising indeed, looks like somethinf related to Marciniak suspension. One couldn't have guessed at all this debut, and it seems also as Raczkowski has not convinced so much committee so far.
Didn't Raczkowski have several increasingly important appointments this season in UEL? That was an indication that something bigger will eventually come his way. With more and expanded competitions, UEFA needs to increase their pool of qualified referees.
DeleteLet's not forget that Marciniak should have been punished already last season when he used a wrong frame to determine offside on Champions League level (Ajax - Chelsea, referee Hategan even decided correctly on field...)
ReplyDeleteIt was bound to happen that he would be out of appointments at some point
So, without Marciniak as option, it becomes absolutely thrilling to guess who will get group B games. I think that now it is 99% impossible to see two referees who didn't offciate before in the same group.
ReplyDeleteNo options for committee!
Oliver and Kuipers?
DeleteMakkelie and Kuipers?
DeleteI expect Grinfeld for Milan - Donezk and Oliver for Real Madrid - Gladbach.
DeleteAgree, Anonymous ! We will see tomorrow
DeleteWith all due respect, Oliver did not get any major appointments after the infamous Real - Juventus, so why would UEFA do that now? In fall 2020, UEFA's most trusted (non Italian or Spanish) referees are Kuipers, Makkelie, Taylor. Brych is German and Hategan just reffed Real.
DeleteKuipers, Makkelie, Grinfeld, Taylor, Cakir and Turpin have whistled in the group B
DeleteNot possible : Orsato, Del Cerro Grande, Mateu Lahoz, Brych, Zwayer, Marciniak, Jovanovic
You missed Hategan who refereed Shakhtar - Real last week. However, it will not be the first or the last time a referee would have more than one match in the same group.
DeleteOh, sorry ! You have right !
DeleteAnonymous, Oliver got Atlectico madrid Vs Bayern Munich during the Match day 1.. he has risen to be a trusted official for uefa slowly but surely he has. He also got a UCL playoff match this season that only Uefa most trusted handled including the super cup that Taylor handled
DeleteMost trusted means finals and semi-finals. I doubt that Oliver wilk get a decisive match, but let's wait and see.
DeleteAs expected, Oliver is not among the selected referees for MD6...
DeleteWith all due respect to Frankowski, but if confirmed, I must say, very unjustified CL debut for him. So many referees who deserved debut in CL before him.
ReplyDeleteI think treating Marciniak is hurting you,they now treat it as a stuffing hole...
ReplyDeleteMarciniak was not removed from the cast. During MD5 he refereed the King's Cup final in Arabia and now he is the referee of the decisive match for the exit from the group in the Europa League.
ReplyDeleteHe will certainly be back in UCL knock-out phase.
DeleteIt is good that other referees are given opportunities.
With one match in group stage you realy expect him in knock out faze of Champions League. I doubt that...
DeleteI have absolutely no doubts. UEFA needs his experience and the errors can be corrected with VAR. After the winter break, his career will move on toward Euro.
DeleteReferee 12 I can bet with you that Marciniak will have knock faze matches, and the loser of the bet will donate some funds to charity
DeleteIf Frankowski gets an appointment IMO it would be undeserved. There are many referees who deserve a CL GS debut more, like Peljto, Dabanovic or Sánchez Martínez.
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/ninlhn
ReplyDeleteInteresting situation from serie A game Crotone - Napoli:
Red card for SFP after VAR intervention.
Originally, referee had whistled indirect free kick because he did't spot the contact with opponent, thinking oly about a dangerous tackle but without touch. This has absolutely allowed VAR to intervene. Referee had a 100% clear wrong perception.
If referee had issued YC on the pitch, I think VAR intervention would have been more in doubt.
Even with a YC, it would have still been a wrong perception.
DeleteI do not think so. If given a yellow for the tackle, the VAR would not or might not have intervened solely because the tackle wasn't high
DeleteThat doesn't matter, if the ref has seen something different from what really happened.
DeleteMy point exactly, if he had given a yellow that means he had seen a contact and decided yellow was sufficient I do not think VAR would intervene but because his perception was so wrong that he gave an IDF it became apparent an Intervention was necessary
DeleteIndeed, I agree with Chiagozie, I think there is a by far bigger difference between detecting the contact and not detecting it, while once detected, yellow card or red card is a different topic. If referee sees the incident on the pitch, and YC is not totally wrong, VAR doesn't intervene.
DeleteI think you can't comprare both seeing / not seeing contact and YC / RC issues under an unique argument "seeing something different than what really happened".
IMO a RC.
DeleteIs it possible that UEFA decided they won't publish appointments until they are sure that appointed referees at least got on their flight? That would mean they will publish appointments day before the match...
ReplyDeleteI was thinking the same thing: if the issue was with their website I think they would’ve fixed it by now.
DeleteHow come a random fourth official is posted on the website and nothing else? It does not make any sense other than technical issues...
DeleteIndeed the fact that fourth official in Rennes appeared on uefa.com means that they have technical issues, otherwise they would have postponed all the publication. Also, no reason to hide names just a day before the games, a few weeks ago in my opinion there was even a worse situation regarding COVID...
DeleteWrong restart by Craig pawson after initially awarding a penalty then it overturned by VAR, he gave Liverpool a freekick or indirect free I thought for simulation but he did not issue a yellow card instead of a dropped ball. It is so so so infuriating how such simulations go unpunished now adays. It is irritating.
ReplyDeleteTrue
DeleteCould the IDFK have been given for playing in a dangerous manner, as Wolves attacker goes with his foot high and stud first when trying to get the ball?
DeleteDefinitely not so, the restart was an IDF for Simulation
DeleteI was absolutely shocked there was no caution for simulation.
DeleteHe is not a brave referee at all at all, no courageous at all, jeez, see how the Liverpool Captain shouting in his face while another english man gave Vidal Red card after 2 yellow card........... Never Elite level, has this disinterested body language and blows for anything, no wonder Uefa over looked him after champions league matches last season and none this season and they are accelerating Christopher Kavangh
ReplyDeleteI’m sorry but many English referees have a disinterested body language. Exactly the sale goes for Oliver, and Kavanagh for example. And Kavanagh may be pushed by UEFA, but why? Several average to sub-average performances lately, of which last week’s Feijenoord-Zagreb was one. Too harsh criticism to Pawson in relation to Kavanagh IMO.
DeleteOnly different English referee is Taylor .
DeleteI tend to disagree, Oliver is one very focused referee in the top flight of england. To put into context he covers more ground per 90 minutes then most premier league referees, he is so close to play than most players but what I don't like about him is his non smilling approach to players. He is always presenting an unapproachable referee to players.maybe he takes that approach because of his relative young age and that's what gives him respect and acceptance
Deletehttps://twitter.com/xGPhilosophy/status/1335672202004455427?s=19 the player who scored here was given a yellow card for maybe USB.... What do you guys think here
ReplyDeleteBig mistake. Either you allow a goal or you give an indirect free kick and caution a player for UB.
DeleteYeah, if you think that's unsporting behaviour you can't allow the goal and then punish him.
DeleteSome situations from the Swedish league.
ReplyDelete1: One yellow card given, two offences occure by separate placers.
http://highlights.allsvenskan.se/webview/playlist/ar5os6cj9bdd8?appShortName=undefined&fogisId=&esId=&binaryVersion=5.5.0-217&codePushVersion=5.11.41-423&packageName=com.sportomedia.allsvenskan2012&fbclid=IwAR1V8SOVZhR5V8RZwAIq5Mfqoi6IKptJSWU7a1C2471evaa9tU7M63VlwTQ
2: Is that kick violent conduct and that elbow reckless? Or vice versa?
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3: DOGSO red card given by the referee.
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IMO
Delete1: Wierd scene, which is difficult to assess. Hoewever, not the best mangament.
2: Mandatory RC, but problematic mangament (taking YC in hand too early, which causes even morem protests) as well.
3: Major mistake. A SPA YC would be correct here, if you ask me.
Why u even put the post on when I have no idea who the officials are? I expect 2/3 debuts minimum,or at least 1st group referees , and probably a surprise or 2 in the appointments
ReplyDeleteWe have the acta of Alavés-Real Sociedad.
ReplyDeleteALA6 sent off by Munuera Montero for speaking to a teammate in the following words:
'(This referee) won't whistle any foul for us, he's blind'.
(Original in Spanish: 'No nos va a pitar ninguna falta, es un ciego')
Video of incident: https://streamable.com/hzd52d
Thoughts?
It's quite an uncommon call, TBH. There is plenty of discussions like that on the pitch and there will always be. Considering the fact the Alavés' player is not directly talking to the referee and there is nothing "too insulting" in his world make me think that its a YC. Guess the RC will be supported.
DeleteGenerally, there is more about uniformity to be discussed about this dismissal. We know plenty of players in La Liga who talk in even more aggressive terms to the officials (e.g Ramos, Suarez, Raul Garcia...)and in the immense majority of the situations goes umpunished. Its all about consistency.
If Munuera Montero feels that this is a RC offense, why not. But then you have to systematically punish those behaviours, especially with players who directly insult at referees. Did he would have reacted the same with big teams like Barcelona, Real/Atletico Madrid (social medias pressure)? Would all the referees and CTA enclined to act in this way ?
He has support in the laws of the game if he feels he’s insulted by that. But the it needs to be a clear line through out a season to punnish similar offences also with RC
DeleteFirstly, if the player had said that directly to the referee, the RC is correct in my opinion. "You are blind" is normally classified as insult (although one can always discuss the political correctness of that). And I know some referees, who even see the "He won't whistle any foul for us" as insult, because it questions their impartiality - but that's more doubtful.
DeleteSecondly, if players don't talk to the referee, but to a teammate, it's normally not an insult and wise refereeing is to overhear and ignore their internal discussions.
In this special case however, the referee is the closest person to the player, who therefore must assume, that the referee can hear him. So it is a valid interpretation, that he wanted the referee to hear his statement - and then it can be classified as insult again.
So overall, a supportable decision IMO.
Uniformity is probably hard to achieve here, because it certainly requires interpretation and it's not easy to find objective criteria for it.
Is it straight red or second yellow? In the last case, supportable decision. In the first case, unbelievable. If this is a red card, you can give five red cards per match IMO.
DeleteWould not blame referee here.
DeleteRC is supportable.
My predictions are
ReplyDeleteLazio/Brugge kavanagh
Zenit/Dortmund Turpin
Rennes/Sevilla Francowski
Chelsea/Krasnodar Madden
Kiev/Ferencvaros Ekberg
Barcelona/Juventus Taylor
Leipzig/Manchester uutd Kuipers
PSG/Istanbul lahoz
Maybe we see Frappart again? :)
DeleteMaybe we could see Monzul if it wasn't for her poor performance in Gent-Liberec.
DeleteThis is a latest episode of Judge Replay.
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/60plZcOkmow
Why are there blank Spaces on names of refeeds appointed nowadays? A day to the game???
ReplyDeleteUEFA has not published the appointments yet.
DeleteMaybe technical issues.
Knvb anounced: Kuipers for Real-Monchengladbach, Kovacs for Zenit-Dortmund and Stieler for Barcelona-Juventus.
ReplyDeleteSo a confirmation that UEFA has problems in releasing appointments, you can see that KNVB was allowed to publish them at the expected time.
ReplyDeleteAppointments are out
ReplyDeleteAGAIN HATEGAN (PSG-Basaksehir) is a record. He had Basaksehir against Man Utd two matchdays ago. Kralovec, Mateu, Stieler, Kovacs , Frankowsi and Ekberg the others
DeleteLazio - Brugge - Cakir
ReplyDeleteZenit - Dortmund - Kovacs
Rennes - Sevilla - Frankowski
Chekse - Krasnodar - Kralovec
Kyiv - Ferencvaros - Ekberg
Barcelona - Juventus - Stieler
PSG - Istanbul - Hategan
RB - MU - Lahoz
No doubt, Stieler for Elite🔜!!!
ReplyDeleteAgree ! Stieler must show his good performance tomorrow
DeleteSurely but bad bad signal for Zwayer, he is going to be treated how Gil Manzano was treated after Del Cerro Grande was promoted to Elite that now makes you wonder how Manzano was promoted to Elite before Del Cerro Grande
DeleteFelix Zwayer is positive to COVID, that's we he has not appointments since 3 matchdays nowadays
DeleteI wasn't referring to his exclusion from appointment recently but his recent performances and how Tobias Stieler is being treated. This is how Del Cerro Grande was promoted and Gil Manzano fell down the perking order of spanish referee to 3rd at Uefa level
DeleteGood move by UEFA, since Stieler has shown more football understanding than Zwayer and that is expected from a modern referee.
DeleteCakir: Normal appointment in an important match. However a good sign, that UEFA trusts him with that after some doubts recently
ReplyDeleteKovacs: Good to see that he has recovered. Normal appointment for his level. I wonder, whether he has some chances for CL KO stage and/or EURO given the problems of some others
Frankowski: Expectable to see a debut in this match. Frankowski probably not a favourite after only 4 EL matches and no Nations League A. However he had the sonorous Milan-Lille as last EL match and got 3 NL appointments this season.
Kralovec: An unimportant match, but IMO correct to give him at least one CL match in this season. However a demotion seems possible and further progress (incl. EURO) quite unlikely at the moment
Ekberg: Normal appointment for his current standing
Stieler: Another top match, although only about first place in the group. Better game than Brych this week and, of course, another signal towards a promotion
Mateu: Again with Manchester, but there weren't many options in the group. Well trusted by UEFA and remains a candidate for a final
Hategan: Extends his record, but it's not clear, why this was necessary. With Basaksehir already out and the much smaller team away, a lower Elite referee (Kovacs, Grinfeeld, Kruzliak)would have been suitable as well.
He definitely has the Europa League Final this year that is Hategan, if not then something is really wrong with Uefa
DeleteIf UEFA really trusted Hațegan, they would have given him Leipzig - Manchester United, but I don't think the committee really do to be honest.
DeleteExcellent achievement to handle six out of six GS rounds, Romanian team should be very proud of that, but this really wasn't the best allocation of resources in my opinion.
Good analysis Philipp S
DeleteAgreed about Cakir, Kovacs and Mateu
For Ekberg its clear signal for promotion
Frankowski-looks appointment in advance in match Milan-Lille not showing confident performance, very soft penalty and problem with foul detection
Stieler-after match in Liverpool and RC missing in EL match, very strange appointment, UEFA show that they don’t care about marks (for some referees).
Very pity for Kralovec- good referee in the past, but seems that Rosseti doesn’t trust him
Hategan-important game for PSG and after match with ManU need elite referee
UEFA must be feeling sorry for having left Hategan out (as referee) from the finals and semi-finals of last season and now they are giving him 6/6 UCL matches, but still not really the top games.
DeleteI don't know why everybody underestimate PSG-Istanbul, to be honest I did expect experienced referee there. The reason?
ReplyDeleteThe match will be easy if PSG scores early and remain leading entire match, but what if not.... In case that Istanbul scores first this match may become very very difficult, expecialy when we have Neymar, Di Maria and company...
Plus - I am surprised to see Brych in Olympiacos-Porto, I expected him in more important match tham that. Again, great match for Stieler, not so important for the outcome of the group but very high profile match, he is clearly in elite from January.
DeleteAgree on the match in Paris, very important and potentially highly challenging game.
DeleteTwo small comments to the appointment of Královec:
ReplyDelete1. He got a rather unusual assistant referees.
2. Why are Czech referees not used as VARs? VAR is used in Czech league!
It seems as a good-bye match given to Kralovec, who got this UCL appointment after months of being ignored by UEFA.
DeleteWell, maybe a good-bye match for Královec, and also a gift for Zelinka, which was ignored by UEFA too. Can anybody explain, why was Zelinka demoted from group 1? I think He is still a great referee, he was a candidate to elite group, but now is near to third category or maybe out from FIFA list. But I don't remember any crucial mistakes in his matches...
DeleteCorrect me if I’m wrong but is this now 6 consecutive appointments for Hategan?
ReplyDeleteYes, a record. All 6 Matchdays.
DeleteI just watched Man in the middle last episode and I found interesting to see the Macron representative implicitly recognizing that kits are not perfect when it comes to pockets.
ReplyDeleteAs a Spanish referee I have Macron kits and both shirt and shorts lateral pockets are too narrow and not deep enough (also, shorts pockets have an IMO useless double velcro). So I hope they fix the pockets for their next collection (hopefully this summer?) to make them similar in length and depth to Adidas ones.
Last CL match for AR1 Mike Pickel in Barcelona; a great assistent for a long time; WC2010 and EURO2012 with Wolfgang Stark, now a big game as farewell.
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